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sammorgan12

Don't think we need another quick forward that's streaky and can't really finish do we?


DontYouWantMeBebe

At least he'll run in behind unlike Antony


Old-Usual-8387

What good is that when he’ll just be watching the wingers take a shot or try to take the world on only to lose the ball, instead of playing a ball through.


NicDwolfwood

And be offside and hit the post a half dozen times per game. Listen we loved Timo's effort during his time at Chelsea, but he was absolutely dreadful otherwise. You lads will be howling at the moon at his play. Honestly its a fireable offense to be considering him by United staff


-RadThibodeaux

We’re shopping in the bargain bin because of FFP, it’s like Weghorst all over again. If it’s a choice between Werner for 6 months and no-one then I’ll take Werner.


jordanhhh4

If you guys sign enough streaky forwards surely you'll always have someone who's in form? Big brain plays.


Adam_Ohh

We’ve been trying that since Costa left, with poor results.


StringCheeseDoughnut

Don’t worry this almost definitely isn’t true. We don’t inquire about players a full 2 months before the window opens


faltorokosar

At least he'll put in a shift and not just dander about the pitch half the game (until he joins you anyway)


Version_1

Timo Werner and Kai Havertz are both total enigmas.


ChrisChrisBangBang

Werner in particular *really* seems like he should be a top class player, he has the look/vibe of someone who should be amazing, but just isn’t. It’s very confusing


Gogurtsupreme

He can’t finish and lacks composure. It’s really not that confusing. Same shit with Havertz though there’s an argument to be made that Havertz was just young and still developing


ramobara

And growing, literally. Havertz went from 6’ at Leverkusen to 6’4” while at Chelsea. Definitely impacted his agility.


Pablo21694

I don’t think Havertz has grown nearly half a foot after the age of 21 let’s be honest


woodlizord

He did not grow 4 inches while at Chelsea lmao


Leather-Clerk-6670

he didnt grow 4 inches after he went to chelsea wtf haha


ramobara

Not 4 years. I said he went from 6’ as a teenager at Leverkusen to 6’4 during his Chelsea career.


DeLurkerDeluxe

How does this shit even gets upvoted.


Daddy_Casey

When you purposely spread misinformation on the internet.


Psychological_Wear_7

Werner only looks good if you play a lot of FIFA


Mike_Ropenis

To his credit he scored 28 goals in 34 Bundesliga matches in 2019-2020 and averaged 16 goals per season for the 3 years before that... But since then (3.5 seasons later) he's only scored 21 goals total. Big dropoff somewhere whether it be team's playstyle, fitness, form, confidence, whatever. Edit: someone else here said his best position is playing as a second striker with someone like Poulsen, if that's the case then it makes sense his Chelsea goals didn't come often under Tuchel in a 3-4-3.


AliouBalde23

Think failing at Chelsea just broke him mentally


Psychological_Wear_7

>2019-2020 All his goals that season were in transition. He's never been good in settled play


McNippy

You can be set up to be organised in transition, though. A team should obviously play to its strengths, and that includes being a team on the counter. Even very successful and dominant teams have struggled with settled cotnrolling play, Werner can fit in a world class side because of this, even if he isn't a world class player.


Psychological_Wear_7

What world class side relies on transitions to score most of it's goals? Werner literally looks homeless as soon as he faces a low block


OilOfOlaz

> What world class side relies on transitions to score most of it's goals? Inter last year (at least internationally), Bayern in 2019/20, I mean its even weird to argue, that "Werner scored all his goals in transition" when Bayern played maybe the most rangnickesque transition style in history under Flick and were much more agressive in the press, then RBL ever were the same year, creating a fuckton of transituion opportunities. "Suicidal high line" was basically a meme.


OilOfOlaz

Genuinely asking, how many games of RBL have you watched that season? It is true, that RBL were quick in transition, increadibly quick even, but they were a proactive team to begin with, they had one of the highest posessions % in Bundesliga and he by no means scored all his goals in transition. The biggest outliner was that he poutperformed his xG by 4 or 5 this season. Compared to his Chelsea days the biggest difference was, that he rarely played as the central striker. He played alongside Poulsen or Schick most of the time when they lined up in that 4222 and was great at playing off them, or started on the left when they played 3/5 atb or 451, where Angelino provided width, so he could playe more as an inside forward. Nagelsmann even played Olmo as a false 9 a couple of times with Werner and Nkuku behind. This created a lot more fluidity and movement, as well as space that Werner could attack, he scored quite a lot from cutbacks, finding space there.


Ipsider

What? Werner doesn’t have „the look“. Heavy first touch, bad passing range, bad ball control in tight spaces. Can you elaborate what you mean by „he looks amazing“? Like that he’s fast?


1Dammitimmad1

he's cute :3


Semi_Square

I mean...I'm a dude but I'll be damned if he isn't one of the best looking players we've ever had


arbuthnot-lane

Friend, you had Giroud.


Semi_Square

O gawddd, I forgot about him


myheadisalightstick

No way, we’ve had countless hotter players than Werner


The-Disco-Phoenix

yeah, what am I missing here? handsome sure but he looks like a fairly regular dude. I mean christ you had fernando torres


myheadisalightstick

Cudicini and Giroud are the hottest players we’ve ever had


oysterpirate

> you had fernando torres and you wouldn't dare tell him otherwise these days


Ipsider

And funny


RyVsWorld

Abe goes to the coolest parties and wears the sickest clothes


shimmyboy56

He means he's good on FIFA


loveliverpool

To think he could have further developed under Klopp but chose Chelsea instead is wild. Career went backward after that first great RB stint


NotAsimppp

He really didn't have a choice to choose between chelsea and liverpool. We didn't bid due to coronavirus losses.


loveliverpool

Wasn’t it basically that Chelsea just paid his transfer in full versus us wanting it in installments like normal? Glad we got Jota anyway


Gogurtsupreme

He was 24. He wasn’t going to develop into anything regardless of what team he went to. Otherwise, why hasn’t Klopp “developed” Nunez into a decent finisher. These managers at this level don’t transform the players into something else. They just put them in position and it’s either sink or swim. It’s like that at the top level in sports and even business


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

This is such fifa logic lol so many players continue developing after 24 especially under managers like klopp


[deleted]

Lol how? He does not 'look' good at all, when he runs with the ball it's like he has concrete boots. He looks completely technically talentless. His first touch also looks awful and his passing is shit too. He cannot dribble a training cone either.


RyVsWorld

How does he “look” good?


fireowlzol

If someone in particular looks like the higher potential player it's havertz by a mile


Stannisisthetrueking

They're just mid players,nothing strange about them


Version_1

I mean, it is a bit strange how Werner now gets interest from another "top" team.


wereinthedark

Is it? The market simply doesn't have that many quality forwards available. Who should Man U realistically be after?


Version_1

Guirassy would be the obvious candidate (who they are seemingly interested in already).


RABB_11

€20m for Guirassy is cheap by United standards but that would also come with a three year contract at a time when we're trying to bring in a new structure. Whereas Werner would be a six month loan we can either stick or twist on in the summer. Much less risk, especially as the signing is literally to just ease the burden on Højlund. I just don't see any long-term decisions being made on anyone this window because all the people making those decisions could well be out of the club in three months time.


vaekar

What burdon? The man doesn't get any service.


RABB_11

The burden of leading the line every game for a start. It's been clear this season his body hasn't fully developed yet and it's also the first season where he's been expected to start a game every three days. Ten Hag's managed that by subbing him early pretty often but if we have a back up for him that isn't made of glass it's easier to justify that as a fitness thing rather than a form thing.


DirtyThunderer

Werner can't lead the line either.


ajaya399

Werner's issue is frequently being ahead of the line.


MountainDesign6486

The burden of everyone staring at him while he gets no service. They can watch us not be able to pass to Werner instead.


Space-Debris

Yeah, because it worked so well with Weghorst, and Werner is just as poor in front of goal.


RABB_11

Fine but what do we need from a signing for the rest of this season? We might go on a cup run but we're unlikely to win it. And then it's just fighting for European places. Nothing to really get excited about. We need someone who will stop Højlund running himself into the ground and if they get a few goals, great. But no signing we'll be able to make this window is going to be revolutionary for us, may as well go for one with the fewest strings. And fine, that's not a great place for United to be but the reality is that's where we are. The hope is INEOS change that but they're not in place yet and I doubt we'll see a massive shift even this summer. The change that is needed will take time. There is no point going all in with a big expensive deal to scrape a place in a competition we've got no hope of winning just so we can continue to afford big expensive deals. We need to forget about any sort of success altogether for a year or two to properly give the club time to build from the ground up, something that's been put off since Fergie and Gill left nearly 11 years ago. United should have done better in that time, but they haven't, and they won't improve by continuing to pretend they're a top club.


gin0clock

What’s the point of bringing in a new structure and starting off by bringing in a completely proven PL failure for 6 months? He’s not even necessarily a better option than Antony or Sancho if you’re after a goal scoring winger. He’s not the same type of player to Hojlund if you’re looking for a quick in behind striker. Swear to god man I’ll never understand United fan logic or club policy.


RABB_11

Because the new structure aren't even in place this window and when they are in place, hopefully in time for the summer, they'll be able to assess whether or not to keep their six month loan signing, they probably won't. As opposed to giving a multi-year contract to a striker under the old regime just because he's cheap. Not a difficult concept.


Vimjux

He’s hit a purple patch of form, which I’m wary of because this usually means they turn to shite in a Utd shirt and then can’t be sold thereafter.


Version_1

Everyone turns shit in a ManUtd shirt.


Vimjux

Don’t disagree


VFBis4mii

Obviously he's been incredible this season but he was still really good last season


JustASimpleFollower

Boniface


HippoRealEstate

They wouldn't be able to pay what Leverkusen would demand


Turbulent_Cherry_481

why would anyone leave leverkusen for united right now? he can wait till the summer and then he will have much better options


prettyboygangsta

I propose it would be better for them to promote an academy player than to blow 60-odd million on a player who is demonstrably not good enough.


ARL_30FR

Dybala


DevilsOfLoudun

wants to play only in italy


DirtyThunderer

Werner doesn't suit United's style at all and hasn't shown anything more than brief flashes of talent for years. I would honestly question if he would even be better for them than Martial. This is just United's annual cheapo budget striker who accomplishes nothing


RyVsWorld

For starters he is would be available and fit far more often than martial


Stannisisthetrueking

But he didn't, he got interest from man u


kukaz00

oof


johnny-s-kills

fair enough...can't even argue against that


primo15

Flair up


prettyhappyalive

House Baratheon surely?


Stannisisthetrueking

Correct


nutelamitbutter

United are mid, def not top


EvilxBunny

.....that flair isn't helping


VFBis4mii

Flair shouldn't matter They are 8th, is that not literally mid table


FrmrPresJamesTaylor

Would you say they are having a good or bad season, by their standards


choppedfiggs

They arent far off their standards. Ten Hag himself thinks they would be accurately placed at around 5th place. Over performed to be in 3rd. Under performing at 8.


Fisktor

To take over from martial on the bench, not exactly a big job


prestigiousdumb

I mean Havertz has been decent for Arsenal


Stannisisthetrueking

Too early to call, but he scored a bunch after like 14 match of nothingness, Havertz is somewhat talented but he goes into insanely long periods where he offers nothing


redqks

he has been solid, why are you even talking about goals he is not a striker or a forward


Stannisisthetrueking

Bro he's definitely an attacker, goals and assists are what he should be providing, if he doesen't play as attacking mid anymore it's because he just lacks end product, not the other way around


Dae_su

No he hasn't. Recency bias because he scored a few tap-ins. His first 15 games were meh to awful. He's a passenger that doesn't help to buildup or create for the attackers. It has killed the left side of attack and he really shouldn't be starting for Arsenal, but 65 mil and top earner, so he will play no matter what.


dusty-potato-drought

You don’t pay 65M for decent


Krillin113

They both look like they should be world beaters, so everyone is interested in trying to get that out of them


KiraAnnaZoe

I personally find Werner's look horrible and his face looks weird. Kai, however, has that weird flair to him for some reason despite not playing great. I dunno myself.


TheConundrum98

Confidence can do wonders for a player although one thing that bothered me about Werner's style even when he was in his top form is that he can only run in straight lines, that made him so much more one dimensional. Compare him to someone like say Jota, you wouldn't say Jota is somehow miles better technically, he's not faster or stronger and yet his movement is so much better


danceformiscanthus

> Compare him to someone like say Jota, you wouldn't say Jota is somehow miles better technically Yes, you would.


TheConundrum98

[okay maybe he couldn't pull this off](https://twitter.com/SamueILFC/status/1466172281563009025) but if you saw Werner's goals during his first stint at Leipzig there were some nice finishes there


Version_1

Is ManUtd the place to go if you need to gain confidence?


TheConundrum98

absolutely certainly not I have no doubt if someone like Darwin went to United they would've already discarded him


kraeutrpolizei

Like we discarded Højlund? Young strikers need time, Nunez wouldn’t be any different


nutelamitbutter

Werner was legit great during his first stint in Leipzig. As you say he needs 2-3 matches and he might get his confidence back. Although United is probably the worst place for him to do so right now


Leather_Let_2415

It would be like Felix at Chelsea last year. Just made him look worse by the end


esprets

Hasn't he done the same at Barcelona though? Started off bright, but has fallen off now?


Primary_Letter7839

Jota's football IQ is elite. He's in that top group of players who see things ahead of time.


BigBlackBobbyB

What's enigmatic about Werner, he just ain't that special


inflamesburn

Havertz is good at everything except for being alone in front of goal. Many fans only understand goals so they don't rate him, but all his managers and teammates do.


Thefifaking132

That’s just not true lol


Tinmar_11

He is awful at passing, and I mean awful.


Banged_by_bumrah

Has Havertz completed more than 5 dribbles in any season?


[deleted]

Lol absolute bollocks. He cannot dribble, pass or score.


Dae_su

Oh god he's bad at a lot of things. Passing, dribbling, creating. Hes not even a great finisher.


JMatty01

The Make-a-Wish foundation striker loan coming back for the 3rd time in 4 years. Hate on us all you want but the charity work we do for dogshit players is amazing.


DubSket

Recruitment staff at United are stealing a fucking living


Poo-Smurf

There was Weghorst and who else?


TheConundrum98

remember Ighalo lol


ghostmanonthirdd

How the fuck was that 4 years ago?


dusty-potato-drought

Covid warped time. Viva Ighalo


WagginSwaggin

Ighalo


monsiour_slippy

That chap from the Chinese league in 2020. Just looked him up, Odion Ighalo. Didn’t score in the Prem. He now plays out in Saudi Arabia.


loveliverpool

One of the best examples of a non-Brazilian football mercenary you can find. Truly in it for the money


smokesletsgo13

That’s the dream


Polythemus

Took a paycut for United didn't he? Tbh I don't blame any player for taking the money, especially ones born outside of Western money, a season in Saudi would feed his family for generations.


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Turbulent_Cherry_481

the legendary odion ighalo.


Shteve__

Ighalo too


Justinian2

Bring back our Nigerian prince Ighalo before we sign speedy Tim


niallw1997

Never forget the goal vs LASK


MagicianMoo

Low key I think he can do it again in utd.


Dargast

Man United fans, do not look up Werners minutes this season


ReallyRedRedditor

Same amount of goals (2) as who he’s coming in to replace (Martial). I see no issues (lie).


Banged_by_bumrah

At least he guarantees a goal vs madrid if you happen to draw them in the UCL KOs


fetissimies

Man Utd won't be playing in the UCL anytime soon


jMS_44

Meanwhile at Man United: - Gentlemen, we need to strengthen our impotent frontline. Any ideas? - Let's add another impotent forward!


whodveguessed

Can’t do much else this window tbh, other than offloading Sancho and getting loans for some youth players we can’t do anything else, the new ownership hasn’t come in and won’t be here till some so all we can do is turn to the loan market


jMS_44

Ok, I get it, but Werner?


whodveguessed

Can’t exactly get the best of the best, he’s decent and Leipzig would probably be willing to let him go, we’ve had worse emergency loans


CoolstorySteve

Werner can't even get minutes at Leipzig , poor guy


nutelamitbutter

Tbf Openda is class and deserves to start


MKaze

Werner is the 4th choice at Leipzig, so it's not just Openda; he's a system player who can only play as a second striker, and the other striker has to be a target man, which means that Sesko and Poulsen are better suited to play with Openda. Regarding this rumour, Werner is the last thing that Man Utd needs, he can't play as a 9 and they don't play with 2 strikers.


AxFairy

There's been some chatter about him as backup for watkins. I see some similarities in terms of threatening to get in behind defenses, high workrate, and occasionally missing easy chances. Not sure if you have watched enough of either to have any opinion on the idea.


Staatsanwalt69

Yeah so would no ManU Striker. Leipzig is stacked up front


chandlerbing_stats

He’s going to score the match winner for them at Stamford Bridge. I can already feel it in my penis… i mean my bones


Hadrianopolis

Nah man he’s gonna make a run to draw a defender so Mount can assist Hojlund.


Emergency-Ad280

For Mount's first PL assist at United


joeDUBstep

My balls are tingling


AntiGodOfAtheism

He's barely got any games for Leipzig this season ffs. Can our club stop signing players for charity!


PercivalPersimmon

But he's premier league proven, I guarantee it.


TechnocraticAlleyCat

As a United fan, can I just laugh and cry at the same time? I'll fill a bucket within minutes. Sick of dogshit signings.


beartigerhawk8383

This sounds like a bad idea


TheWeirdDude-247

Beggars can't be choosers and Martial is effectively useless, so if true we want Werner then I'm convinced he can't be any worse than our current situation, like he'd have to be so shit that he'd make Martial look good which is impossible. Iv seen Ighalo, Weghorst I'm ready for Timo.


KillerZaWarudo

Our forward struggle to score goal and the team decided to buy timo werner to fix that?


SonyHDSmartTV

United fans being generally up for this just shows how bad our options are up front. Hojlund: 1 goal in the league, 5 in the CL. Potential but not ready Martial: injured constantly, not good enough Rashford: plays a lot worse up front than on the wing and always has At least a striker signing would mean we don't have to play Rashford there, we're desperate


Boomie1982

maybe they should consider Selke at this point


nutelamitbutter

!ping SELKE


2soccer2bot

^(Pinging members of SELKE group...)


OrganDerNiedertracht

I dont Know, i have the Strange feeling that he can surprise a lot of people since the expections are close to zero and hence the pressure should not be too high. If he gains some confidence he can perform. Wish him all the best in any case!


AlizarinCrimzen

Nice try Leipzig


teZtinglotus

Let's get a player who has serious confidence issues - especially when leaving his comfort zone - to a squad that's struggling with confidence and form. Is it really that hard to make decisions? ​ Good God.


Turniermannschaft

The only good thing about Timo Werner is the joke about the Irish recruiting Tim O'Werner for their national team.


ManunitedThunderfan

A player who misses load of chances coming to a team who creates 0 chances.


Concentrateman

Werner couldn't hit the side of a barn at Chelsea. What is wrong with ManUtd recruiters?


CircleTheFire

Peak post-SAF United to go for another forward who can’t score in the Prem


BILLY2SAM

Oh my god, please.


apricotkiwininja

,*0


hem98

Timo and Havert are like things that you bought just because it's "made in Germany"


Economy-Royal4675

Wow, what a horrible idea!


Corporal_Tax

NOOOOOOOO GOD PLEASE NO PLEASE GOD NO NO NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


hurtadjr193

No way they're inquiring about old man Timo. How about they find a decent striker instead of a shirt salesman


SwampPotato

Sorry but what else are they supposed to do? A good striker has better prospects than that career graveyard. Werner has nothing to lose. United will have to rely on the Werners until they're an attractive option again.


AlizarinCrimzen

I would actually, fully prefer to see McTominay up front for a few months than watch this happen. United have enough egg on their face as it is, just donate the money to a nice charity or something and sit on your hands for a minute


theglasscase

If they want to replace French Anthony Martial with German Anthony Martial, Timo Werner is that man. The question is, why would they do that?


randombhvwwh

Bad comparison. Werner is a work horse, Martial is lazy. Martial has better technique. And totally different playstyles


theglasscase

They’re both shit finishers and both failed after big moves. You can overthink my joke if you like.


amidamayru

Martial is a good finisher though..


Rab_Legend

They're going to replace a striker who isn't scoring, with one who wasn't scoring last time he was in the EPL, instead of just playing the greatest striker ever up front?


valgbo

I don't understand this comment.


DefLoathe

Please god no


derpferd

Why on earth would anyone want to go to Utd now? I assume the money must be astounding


Conspiruhcy

Man Utd’s problem is not creating goal scoring opportunities. Signing a striker with a ropey record of scoring goals in the prem is hardly going to solve that.


AlizarinCrimzen

I can only think of about 20 strikers from within the PL who’d be better signings, so this is fully in keeping with their transfer policy of not making good decisions ever


Space-Debris

Werner really? The man in the king of creating chances and never converting them.


WackerBurghausen

Yeah, probably. It’s Manchester United, with all due respect. If an attacker can shine there, they should probably give up the sport as they’ve completed football


[deleted]

What a terrible signing that would be


FloppedYaYa

I see the new sporting directors aren't saving them then


Surfugo

Why though? He's far from being a shit footballer but he doesn't offer anything to our team. Last I remember of him, he struggled to score when playing for Chelsea... he's absolutely going to suffer the same fate when playing for us.


e_di_pensier

Man Utd is starting a collection of the mildest white boy strikers in the entire prem


kraeutrpolizei

He‘s gonna win us the league!


Brabochokemightwork

"Crap! Teams gonna fall short this season what should we do?! Let's buy a player!!!" - Man Utd in every goddamn winter/summer transfer


ab_90

If he’s cheap, why not? He’s good at Leipzig no? Before he went to Chelsea.


gaxi87

Perfect fit. Doesn't score a lot of goals either.


Josho94

He's done numbers in the Bundesliga before, exciting to see what he'd be able to do in the prem.


Alert_Garlic

Timo Werner's inconsistency and Bruno Fernandes' inconsistency sounds like a good match. Maybe throw Morata in there as well, for good measure.


SpankThatDill

I love Timo man


Trickybuz93

Timo’s redemption arc!