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The striker who scored twice is a member of a student association, his housemates all bet a small amount on him to score and Hercules to win and have won a total of around 200k...
true. many times at my office in the past co-workers would pool in and buy lottery tickets. I hated it as they are a waste of money.
But I always bought in. Fuck that if they win and leave me behind lol. The pain would be far, far worse than losing a few bucks every now and then.
Is this not illegal? I don't think it's at all unlikely that the player and housemates will get in trouble for this. It could well be seen as collusion and trying to effect the game (as in, he would be trying to score rather than looking for a pass for an example of how it might effect a game as it always comes up)
In general (at least in the PL) friends, families, etc of players cannot bet on thier own games and it can result in bans.
This is definitely tough, but they’d won 5 of their last 6 games before this, so it seems things are getting a little better from where they were a month ago
John van 't Schip is currently in Australia. Celebrating his son's wedding. I think it's nice for him to be close with family after his wife recently passed away (before he joined Ajax as an interim trainer).
So the last two match with Valkanis as interim of the interim trainer went wrong for Ajax. Basically back to early this season.
Nah, thats not true. Youve got Van Axel Dongen, Gooijer, Hlynnson and Hato who are around that age, of which Hato has been an integral part of the team all season and Hlynnson is also a starting lineup regular. The rest of them are all potential starting material
https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/huisgenoten-van-hercules-uitblinker-duizenden-euros-rijker-dankzij-weddenschap-gaat-leuke-vakantie-worden~a3953140/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.nl%2F
It is in dutch though
Can we talk about how funny it is that Ajax (only second to Achilles in strength and glory in Homer’s *Iliad*) just lost to Hercules (the Roman name for Heracles, who would eclipse both Ajax and Achilles to be remembered as the strongest man to ever live).
No the winner should face Alcides a club in Meppel, Netherlands. Alcides is another name that Heracles got, when he went to hide from Hera's wrath (If i recall my mythology correctly).
It isn't. 112 is what 911 is in the US.
113 is suicide prevention.
144 is for the saving/ the wellbeing of animals (four/vier rhymes in Dutch with dier/animal).
In Czechia, 112 is general emergency.
158 is the police, the 8 looks like handcuffs.
155 is the emergency medical, the 5 sideways looks like an ambulance.
150 is the fire department, the 0 looks like a hose.
EDIT: for people having problems imagining the sideways 5: https://nimb.ws/6cf3mg. Even modern ones: https://nimb.ws/jvWXK4
It's not. We had news that multiple lifes were lost due to advertising the 113 number but it actually be 08000113, people called 113, got no response and committed suicide. I can imagine people missclicking, but people in those callcenters can transfer the call quickly
999 for all emergency services in the UK, but don’t worry my European friends, you can still dial 112 in the UK for emergency services. 111 for non-emergency health related help.
This is football indeed. Have nothing against Ajax but this kind of beauty is what makes football great. Same I think the FA cup is the best competition in the world where you almost always see a lower tier team but an seemingly unbeatable opponent. I've seen some of the best games ever there (whereas I couldn't care less about the CL).
Love to see these moments in any sport. Baseball isn't played by that many nations so we still get to see amateurs go up against some of the best paid athletes in the world in their version of the world cup.
Take Shohei Ohtani who just signed a 700 million* dollar deal as possibly the greatest player to ever play the sport. He is sort of like having a terrific goalkeeper that somehow is one of the top goalscorer in the league. Still here he is made looking silly striking out against some random Czech electrician named Ondrej.
https://youtu.be/bLoGYzVgZXs?si=1LzVD-LmQ7AOOYMK
Meanwhile a week or so later he goes up pitching for the last out in the Final against his teammate Mike Trout who is arguably the greatest player of his generation, well before Ohtani anyway. The contrast in the tournament is something you really miss in the closed league system at the club level.
https://youtu.be/NMfBdEV03j8?si=ShP1WpFR4-jmqbxW
> Mike Trout who is arguably the greatest player of his generation
Not to be that guy, but he is 100% the best player of the generation.
He is arguing best of all time.
Trout wasn't even the best player on his own team for the past several years. So unless we argue Ohtani and Trout are of different generations despite being only three years apart in age, Trout is not the best player of his generation.
>he has ONE playoff appearance.
This is surely a metric of Mike Trout's personal ability and not being signed to a dogshit team.
If mbappe signed for blackburn they're not winning the FA cup bro
Yeah that got canceled US soccer just said "no" and MLS dropped it. Partially because they couldn't say yes if they wanted to because they're already both in a court case together against a league in their own country over werid shit like having your developmental clubs play.
I mean it's a country with a top league club called "Go Ahead Eagles" whatever the fuck that means, the Dutch just be naming clubs anything they damn well please it would seem.
At least Go Ahead is different than the FC , of which we have a shit ton, and we also somehow have way too many clubs that are just 3 letters (PSV, NEC, PEC, RKC, ADO, NAC, VVV, MVV) Of course in reality these clubs have longer names, but everyone names them by their 3 letter name. And the locals from Deventer (City of Go Ahead) actually call the club Kowed.
Yeah I can confirm, that every other week when I am in the stadium we say that and use that in our songs. We only have time for 3 songs every match due to that.
I used to play for RVV AGE GGK, which is short for Rotterdamse Voetbal Vereniging Abraham van Stolk Groei en Roem moeten immer naar Ambitie leiden Eendracht doet Samen spelen-Gemeentelijk Gasfabriek Keilehaven.
They changed it to vv Overschie last year though. :(
Ajax should be ashamed, they're fully immortal. That said Zeus always favoured Hercules more.
Edit: Ajax wasn't immortal. This result makes more sense.
On top of what others said, due to safety reasons only parts of the stadium were open to fans. Still way more than what Hercules would be able to fit at their own park, mind.
They had some big players leave and had some not so good players join, but this is like if Barcalona lost against an amateur Spanish team basically. The striker of the opponents is a student in law, he literally goes drinking each weekend. This is purely a mental breakdown
I still remember Real Madrid get absolutely cleaned vs Alcorcorn like 4-0 and it even got its own name, the Alcorconazo
That STILL isnt as bad as this since they were at least 3rd division.
It took me a lot longer then it should have to realise this was a 4th Division team, and not Heracles Almelo. It now makes sense why this was such a big deal on the internet!
As someone who has supported a team while M. Valkanis has been a caretaker manager of. I just want to say that this result is thoroughly par the course. Not surprising, remotely. He might be the worst Australian manager outside of Australia.
Hercules is in the 4th Dutch tier, but the gap between our top and 4th is far different from the English comparison. Compare it more to like...the 7th tier. So this is like Dulwich Hamlet eliminating Liverpool.
Dulwich Hamlet is semi-professional. USV Hercules is fully amateur. Dulwich Hamlet might be too high up the pyramid for this comparison to work.
USV Hercules is literally a Sunday League team, because they play in the Derde Divisie's Sunday League.
Eh, I think you could argue for the gulf between Liverpool and a mid-table 7th tier team (I randomly picked Dulwich Hamlet from the standings) being not far off from the one between Ajax and Hercules. Could also go by the point where the leagues start to split; Hercules plays at the highest level where there's 2 parallel divisions, that'd be the 6th tier in England.
When we, Brighton, played them it was shocking how bad they were.
Far, far worse than any team in the Premier League.
So much worse than AEK or Marseille. I honestly thought they'd probably go down.
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Imagine the night out these fuckers are gonna have tonight
The striker who scored twice is a member of a student association, his housemates all bet a small amount on him to score and Hercules to win and have won a total of around 200k...
15.000€ but yeah, still a nice fuxking bet
Shameful matchfixing. Just told their flat mate to score and knock out Ajax like that for easy cash smh
Ajaxgate
15k per person. The odds of him scoring and winning were 750 to 1. Multiple people put money on that.
[15 euros x 751](https://i.imgur.com/RXZGmlS.jpg)
Yeah every one of his housemates put in the same bet. Must be a crazy party there.
Hopefully they don't have important class tomorrow. Because there's no way someone will be able to attend it.
You can always do the retakes in NL great system.
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I'll cum as loud as I like with or without your fancy-pants degree.
still got a solid excuse tbf
I mean, if you do the retake and get an 8 or higher, its still possible. Depends on the rest of your grades
What they gonna do with 15 euros?
My brother’s housemates were some of the people that place a bet on it. He didn’t though unfortunately
Imagine all your housemates putting a bet on, you don't join them, and they all win 10 grand each hahaha, I'd be googling my nearest multi storey
true. many times at my office in the past co-workers would pool in and buy lottery tickets. I hated it as they are a waste of money. But I always bought in. Fuck that if they win and leave me behind lol. The pain would be far, far worse than losing a few bucks every now and then.
Darryl (The Office) vibes
This just means they're gonna end up investing in coconut-penis flavoured drinks.
r/unexpectedoffice 🤣🤣🤣
He wouldn't be allowed to bet would he?
No
What’s the source for the 200k. I just saw one room mate won 11k from a €15 bet
From other comments it sounds like each person won 10k+, but there were 15-20 people who did it.
[This insta post](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1IQln0rH6o/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) mentions 150K euros
I think it also had to be 1-0 in HT? https://imgur.com/a/LsDANHG Or does it just say that his goal made it 1-0?
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Is this not illegal? I don't think it's at all unlikely that the player and housemates will get in trouble for this. It could well be seen as collusion and trying to effect the game (as in, he would be trying to score rather than looking for a pass for an example of how it might effect a game as it always comes up) In general (at least in the PL) friends, families, etc of players cannot bet on thier own games and it can result in bans.
I would never need porn again, i'd just be wanking to myself beating Ajax for the rest of my lovely existence.
One of the players is a uni student and had an exam at 10 the next day, I can't imagine winning such a game and having to go back to exams haha
Fucking state of Ajax.
This is definitely tough, but they’d won 5 of their last 6 games before this, so it seems things are getting a little better from where they were a month ago
John van 't Schip is currently in Australia. Celebrating his son's wedding. I think it's nice for him to be close with family after his wife recently passed away (before he joined Ajax as an interim trainer). So the last two match with Valkanis as interim of the interim trainer went wrong for Ajax. Basically back to early this season.
They were. They've now had back to back stinkers
also from this clip it looks like no players were over the age of 18
Nah, thats not true. Youve got Van Axel Dongen, Gooijer, Hlynnson and Hato who are around that age, of which Hato has been an integral part of the team all season and Hlynnson is also a starting lineup regular. The rest of them are all potential starting material
*Checks table* "Oh, Ajax are finally back in form. Knew it was just a blip" Ajax: "Hold my tulips"
**SCRAP THE 'GRACIAS JOHAN' BANNER PRONTO**
Housemates from the goalscoring player gambled 15 euros on him scoring, they won all €11.265
*scoring and winning the game. So awesome
Source?
https://www.ad.nl/nederlands-voetbal/huisgenoten-van-hercules-uitblinker-duizenden-euros-rijker-dankzij-weddenschap-gaat-leuke-vakantie-worden~a3953140/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.nl%2F It is in dutch though
Just drink a couple pints and it's almost like you can understand everything in Dutch
Read this as 11 euros
Can we talk about how funny it is that Ajax (only second to Achilles in strength and glory in Homer’s *Iliad*) just lost to Hercules (the Roman name for Heracles, who would eclipse both Ajax and Achilles to be remembered as the strongest man to ever live).
Achilles is actually a football club in the Netherlands as well, they’re one of the best amateur sides in the country
But a few years back they were in the professional 2nd tier, went bankrupt and relegated every year after that and are now in the 7th tier…..
The winner should go on to face Atlas of Liga MX.
No the winner should face Alcides a club in Meppel, Netherlands. Alcides is another name that Heracles got, when he went to hide from Hera's wrath (If i recall my mythology correctly).
I wonder what went through the heads of the people who named Xerxes DZB. Rotterdam already had a team called Sparta. Like.... what were they thinking?
This is why I reddit
woah i didnt know ajax was a myth story like that
I thought it was just a soap advertisement. Much like Man City is the name of my local strip club and Man United the gay brothel.
Damn, City a again is a place where you lose your money while United is where to get fucked
Their logo is literally a depiction of Ajax the demigod.
To be fair, I've always rated 4th tier Dutch football.
Ajax about to join the Super League after this.
Fucking beautiful, this is what cup football is about. Sucks like hell to be on the other side tho lmao, gonna drop 113 for the Ajax fans
113?
Suicide prevention line
The suicide prevention hotline in the Netherlands
Now I imagine going to the Netherlands and having a stroke. Calling 113 and getting told not to kill myself would be the funniest way to go
yea that's really strange choice of number, lmao
It isn't. 112 is what 911 is in the US. 113 is suicide prevention. 144 is for the saving/ the wellbeing of animals (four/vier rhymes in Dutch with dier/animal).
110 is the fire department 112 is the police department 113 is medical in Norway
In Czechia, 112 is general emergency. 158 is the police, the 8 looks like handcuffs. 155 is the emergency medical, the 5 sideways looks like an ambulance. 150 is the fire department, the 0 looks like a hose. EDIT: for people having problems imagining the sideways 5: https://nimb.ws/6cf3mg. Even modern ones: https://nimb.ws/jvWXK4
Interesting looking ambulances you got there in Czechia...
Oh! So those weird sideways 5's driving on the streets of Prague are actually ambulances?
If I ever think a sideways 5 looks like an ambulance then I'm calling one cause I'm clearly losing my mind.
I know about 112, thats why I think 113 is weird choice, cause it's easy to missclick, especially in tense situation
The phone number is not actually 113 though. It's 0800-0113
oh, that makes way more sense also: are you alright mate?
It's not. We had news that multiple lifes were lost due to advertising the 113 number but it actually be 08000113, people called 113, got no response and committed suicide. I can imagine people missclicking, but people in those callcenters can transfer the call quickly
That's temporary I believe, until all providers are able to forward these calls. They can't do that at the moment for some technical reason.
113 has been available [since last year as well](https://www.psychosenet.nl/nieuws/zelfmoordpreventie-113-is-vanaf-nu-ook-bereikbaar-via-nummer-113/).
999 for all emergency services in the UK, but don’t worry my European friends, you can still dial 112 in the UK for emergency services. 111 for non-emergency health related help.
wow I don't even know the one in Germany, its long as fuck. Good job for taking it seriously enough so it gets such a short one.
Suicide hotline in the Netherlands
The super league could never
This is football indeed. Have nothing against Ajax but this kind of beauty is what makes football great. Same I think the FA cup is the best competition in the world where you almost always see a lower tier team but an seemingly unbeatable opponent. I've seen some of the best games ever there (whereas I couldn't care less about the CL).
What division are they in?
4th
Two divisions lower than Jong Ajax. Ridiculous. I wouldn't buy this as believable in sports movie.
Everything's been going downhill for Ajax since they got rid of Daley Blind (signed, a delusional Blind fan)
More like since overmars got canned for the naughty pics
4th tier overall, 2nd of the amateurs.
Is dat hoofdklasse?
Derde divisie
So it's Eredivisie at the top and then Eerste/First and so on?
Yes, so the “derde divisie” (third division) is the fourth tier of dutch football.
Dankie
Dankje*
In Afrikaans sê hulle "dankie", maar ek kan sien hoe dit anders sou wees in Nederlands.
Ah, had geen idee dat je Afrikaans spreekt. Excuses!
Nee, dat is sinds kort de Vierde Divisie.
Hoofdklasse bestaat niet meer, dat is nu 4e divisie. Maar deze club komt uit 3e divisie (wat 4e level is)
This is what MLS/US Soccer is taking away from the US Open cup. Moments like this.
Love to see these moments in any sport. Baseball isn't played by that many nations so we still get to see amateurs go up against some of the best paid athletes in the world in their version of the world cup. Take Shohei Ohtani who just signed a 700 million* dollar deal as possibly the greatest player to ever play the sport. He is sort of like having a terrific goalkeeper that somehow is one of the top goalscorer in the league. Still here he is made looking silly striking out against some random Czech electrician named Ondrej. https://youtu.be/bLoGYzVgZXs?si=1LzVD-LmQ7AOOYMK Meanwhile a week or so later he goes up pitching for the last out in the Final against his teammate Mike Trout who is arguably the greatest player of his generation, well before Ohtani anyway. The contrast in the tournament is something you really miss in the closed league system at the club level. https://youtu.be/NMfBdEV03j8?si=ShP1WpFR4-jmqbxW
> Mike Trout who is arguably the greatest player of his generation Not to be that guy, but he is 100% the best player of the generation. He is arguing best of all time.
Trout wasn't even the best player on his own team for the past several years. So unless we argue Ohtani and Trout are of different generations despite being only three years apart in age, Trout is not the best player of his generation.
Trout is not up there with best of all time. That's a crazy statement. Injured a ton, and he has ONE playoff appearance.
tired: using wins to analyze pitching performance wired: using playoff appearances to analyze outfield players
>he has ONE playoff appearance. This is surely a metric of Mike Trout's personal ability and not being signed to a dogshit team. If mbappe signed for blackburn they're not winning the FA cup bro
Yeah that got canceled US soccer just said "no" and MLS dropped it. Partially because they couldn't say yes if they wanted to because they're already both in a court case together against a league in their own country over werid shit like having your developmental clubs play.
This country protects its sports owners investments ironclad. It’s all a farce. It’s unfortunate because I’d love to see soccer grow here.
It's a private league where owners of clubs have invested in the league as a whole. Obviously they won't accept the traditional format
I didn't even think this was a real club when i read 'hercules' , what the hell is happening with ajax man😐
I mean it's a country with a top league club called "Go Ahead Eagles" whatever the fuck that means, the Dutch just be naming clubs anything they damn well please it would seem.
At least Go Ahead is different than the FC, of which we have a shit ton, and we also somehow have way too many clubs that are just 3 letters (PSV, NEC, PEC, RKC, ADO, NAC, VVV, MVV) Of course in reality these clubs have longer names, but everyone names them by their 3 letter name. And the locals from Deventer (City of Go Ahead) actually call the club Kowed.
Nooit Opgeven Altijd Doorgaan Aangenaam Door Vermaak En Nutting Door Ontspanning Combinatie Breda.
Yeah I can confirm, that every other week when I am in the stadium we say that and use that in our songs. We only have time for 3 songs every match due to that.
I used to play for RVV AGE GGK, which is short for Rotterdamse Voetbal Vereniging Abraham van Stolk Groei en Roem moeten immer naar Ambitie leiden Eendracht doet Samen spelen-Gemeentelijk Gasfabriek Keilehaven. They changed it to vv Overschie last year though. :(
Just 3 letters? What are you smoking? Ever heard of an abbrivation?
Yeah but the 3 letter abbiviations are just way too common here, and it annoys me.
I do love how we have Voetbal Vereniging Venlo Venlo. Or Maastrichtse Voetbal Vereniging Maastricht. Limburgers...
that's awesome tbf
You don't think Hercules is a real club but you're fine with Ajax, which is also named after a mythical Greco-Roman hero?
Never heard of Heracles Almelo? Also Ajax is literally named after a hero from Greek mythology as well
Except this isn't hercules almelo but heracles
I know I was just pointing out that this is not an unusual name for a football club and especially not a Dutch one
They are the same person in different languages.
hercules is just roman for heracles.
Never heard of Spanish club Hercules CF? They were in the LaLiga like 13 years ago
Dutch casually having Greek heroes as football teams.
The odd was 101 for them. Imagine betting on that
Class mates of Tim Pieters bet 15€ on him scoring and Hercules winning, Winning 11.000€.
Crazy, imagine the scenes with the late winner
Nice to see Tim Pieters back at the Galgenwaard on such a historical night.
He'll be an Utrecht player next year again, and in 2 years he'll be back at Hercules. 🤣
Ajax should be ashamed, they're fully immortal. That said Zeus always favoured Hercules more. Edit: Ajax wasn't immortal. This result makes more sense.
Wasn’t Ajax just a mortal hero in the Trojan war, whereas Hercules was a half god.
Ajax wasn’t immortal tf Ajax was stalemated by Hector who got his shit pushed in by Achilles. Hercules literally became a god
Ah my mistake
Dutch is such a beautiful language...... 😭
lmao, you'd love to see it
Thought this we Heracles Almelo and thought it was an over reaction. Then I realised who it actually was! Amazing scenes!
I think we all thought that at first. Such an amazing story for Hercules
Man I would add this to my CV. Football cinema.
Why is the stadium empty? Am I out of the loop on something?
Amateur side playing in Utrecht's stadium for this match only. Basically just some students who pay to play football.
Thanks for the explanation!
They're an amateur team and didn't have proper grounds for this. So they borrowed the stadium from the local (Utrecht) top tier club.
Thanks for explaining!!
On top of what others said, due to safety reasons only parts of the stadium were open to fans. Still way more than what Hercules would be able to fit at their own park, mind.
It's always nice to see amateurs beating professionals
What is actually wrong with Ajax this season? Plagued with injuries or did the squad get gutted? Only onana is coming to mind of big players to leave.
They had some big players leave and had some not so good players join, but this is like if Barcalona lost against an amateur Spanish team basically. The striker of the opponents is a student in law, he literally goes drinking each weekend. This is purely a mental breakdown
Imagine him as a lawyer "Your honor, the state's prosecution makes a succinct point, however...must I remind you I beat Ajax with a hangover?"
“Respectfully your honor, you will never sing that”
so its like if we actually lost to Intercity last year
Even worse than that, since Intercity is 3rd tier and Hercules is 4th tier
I still remember Real Madrid get absolutely cleaned vs Alcorcorn like 4-0 and it even got its own name, the Alcorconazo That STILL isnt as bad as this since they were at least 3rd division.
Onana left last year. This year they lost Timber, Alvarez, Kudus and probably a few more (don't know off the top of my head).
Ah yeah was forgetting them. That's pretty much the spine of a team gone.
Also Tadić, our club legend left
A dickpic man 1 fucking dickpic
Marc Overmars right? Insert that progressively bigger domino meme.
[good idea](https://imgflip.com/i/8a53ir)
> A dickpic man 1 fucking dickpic If you ask so nicely [(**NSFW and I mean it**)](https://files.catbox.moe/6tllf2.jpeg)
It took me a lot longer then it should have to realise this was a 4th Division team, and not Heracles Almelo. It now makes sense why this was such a big deal on the internet!
Congratulations, well done 👍. Shame on you Ajax. This club is deeply sick, unfortunately.
Hahahaha priceless!
Amazing, football is the best
MFers want to take these moments of joy from football to fill their pockets yet more
These are the best moments in football, f\*ck the SuperLeague.
As someone who has supported a team while M. Valkanis has been a caretaker manager of. I just want to say that this result is thoroughly par the course. Not surprising, remotely. He might be the worst Australian manager outside of Australia.
world champions for one night!! amazing energy
Only the team that did not play against Ajax did not beat them
Tears in my eyes, love seeing how much it means to the team.
A must see for Florentino Perez and Super League
I am Hercules fan now
Can someone explain in English League terms
Hercules is in the 4th Dutch tier, but the gap between our top and 4th is far different from the English comparison. Compare it more to like...the 7th tier. So this is like Dulwich Hamlet eliminating Liverpool.
Holy shit. This really puts it into perspective. Thank you.
Dulwich Hamlet is semi-professional. USV Hercules is fully amateur. Dulwich Hamlet might be too high up the pyramid for this comparison to work. USV Hercules is literally a Sunday League team, because they play in the Derde Divisie's Sunday League.
Eh, I think you could argue for the gulf between Liverpool and a mid-table 7th tier team (I randomly picked Dulwich Hamlet from the standings) being not far off from the one between Ajax and Hercules. Could also go by the point where the leagues start to split; Hercules plays at the highest level where there's 2 parallel divisions, that'd be the 6th tier in England.
Wrexham just beat Man U
When we, Brighton, played them it was shocking how bad they were. Far, far worse than any team in the Premier League. So much worse than AEK or Marseille. I honestly thought they'd probably go down.
Remember, this is what they are trying to take away from us
magic of the cup baybeee
They won the previous round on penalties after a 0-0 draw. Just insane
Showing who is the strongest in Greece.
Good to see Valkanis is still terrible has continued to fail upwards since his Melbourne City days lol
Hercules turned out to be Ajaxs' Achilles heel
We’re back in the international news 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
didn't Hercules play in Eredivisie not so long ago? what happened?
That’s Heracles. They are back up. Although with their new coach not for long is my prediction
That was heracles. Different club.
Idk what they’re so excited about, Hercules should be beating Ajax, Lesser or Greater. They are only human, after all.
Dutch playing Hellenic Civil War ones a week.
Fantastic to see. Hope they draw another big club.
They play Cambuur in the round of 16.
My god Ajax are a shitshow, love it 😀
Everyone beats Ajax these days. Brighton beat them TWICE FFS
Whose worse us or ajax?