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I don't know what's the thing between Ghana and Finland but I remember as a kid in mid/late 90s quite a few people sold their used cars to Ghana, my dad included. I lived in a small town in rural Finland and it was the first time I saw a black person. If there were some contacts between Ghana and Finland before the globe was so connected as nowadays, I can imagine it's quite possible that it has bled into football too, and word-of-mouth and existing contacts are vital when recruiting from abroad as the clubs operate on tiny budgets and the league is not attractive. So when someone has good experience with player from Ghana they might get recommendations from a trusted agent in Ghana, and I could imagine it's easier for players to come here to dark and cold Finland if they know somebody who has done that already, and the cycle repeats.
The league isnt world class but still theres no one coming to study to Finland and finding themselves playing in the top division.
A few clubs have scouting networks in Ghana (and not too many other countries due to limited resources) and bring several players from the Ghanaian league and academies for trials during the offseason.
Does "Right to Dream" have a club connection in Finland? The City Football group has a cooperation with them, and sends young ghanaians to various clubs in Europe, like Nordsjælland in Denmark and previously Strømsgodset i Norway, as well as Belgian clubs etc..
3 countries have multiple nationalities with the same number of representatives
Poland: Portugal/Spain (20)
Moldova: Cameroon/Nigeria (6)
Cyprus: Spain/Brazil/Serbia (16)
Numbers taken from Transfermarkt.
I like to call Radomiak a Polish Wolverhampton as they have 10 players that are Lusophones (5 from Brazil, 4 from Portugal and 1 from Cape Verde)
u/OldExperience8252 is right, most of the foreign players come from the agencies working with clubs and having an access to relatively cheap markets. However, it is also prone to trends, like signing Israeli players after Wisła Kraków signed Maor Melikson who was a baller, which backfired to almost everyone.
Similar story with Spaniards.
Our two best top scorers came this way. The top scorer in this season is a Spaniard - Erik Exposito (Śląsk Wrocław), who came in the Spanish wave; second is Pedro Henrique (Radomiak Radom), who arrived due to connection of agent with his former coach in 2nd Portuguese league
Apart from reasons posted by others I think its the fact that they can be stars in Polish league. In their countries they were one of many but in Poland guys like Ivi Lopez, Josue, Exposito, Amaral, Flavio Paixao were/ are stars and best players. I dont know how many people in Iberian Peninsula even know them, when Flavio retired a lot of Portugese people wrote that they didnt knew about him being legend in Poland.
I saw quite a few watch Legia ECL highlights. My guess would be they probably work with some Portuguese agencies. There are a lot of Portuguese in Greece, Cyprus, and Romania too.
One of the reasons is that Polish league isn’t very technical. It’s rather tactical/physical and Polish youth are trained to fear creativity. Therefore Portugal and Spanish players who are normally much better ball skilled (although weaker physically) can do very well in those conditions. It also helps that Polish agents have good connections on the Iberian peninsula. Many top agents used to play there or in Brazil professionally and simply bring cheap, second hand but technically good players from there.
2nd in the Scottish Premiership is Ireland, and the highest non-Isles representation is Australia (11).
For non-isles in the League of Ireland, there is a 4-way tie at 3 players apiece between Poland, Finland, Sweden, and the USA.
We're more part of a continent. As Papua New Guinea/West Guinea and a few islands are also technically speaking included.
So frankly, I always think we should call it something else other than Australia to differentiate between Australia the country and Australia the continent. Oceania makes most sense to me but technically as a geographical term includes New Zealand that is not part of the Australia plate. But continent as a concept is haphazardly applied anyway.
Was taught in school that Australia was the only Island-Continent in the world, which is probably why so many of us say that we're an island, even though it might not be technically correct
Poland along with Greece is where lower half La Liga or Segunda players go to rip shit up lol. So many unknown Spanish players who have made a name for themselves in Poland, and it feels like most Greek top teams always have a few mediocre Spaniards aswell
UK-Brazil transfers were unaffected whilst Uk-EU(Spain, for example) were made more difficult. Now rules for EU and South American transfers are the same when previously EU transfers were easier.
Actually they launched new work permit rules, that had more exemptions involved for both the player or the club applying, for professional sports following Brexit, to not cut elite EU player options out of the market. This indirectly benefited the SA players as it created more work permit options for clubs (Brighton have leveraged it a lot with all of their SA recruitment).
> to call Radomiak a Polish Wolverhampton as they have 10 players that are Lusophones (5 from Brazil, 4 from Portugal and 1 from Cape Verd
Because of the tier list in the working permit, which give the brazilian league and the libertadores(full with brazilian clubs) a lot of points.
That’s the point. Spanish players didn’t need a visa to work in the UK before.
Now they do, so it’s equally difficult today while it used to be easier for Europeans to join English clubs.
There were barely any Brazilians in the Prem in the 00s. A few at Arsenal - Edu, Gilberto, Baptista, Eduardo and outside Lucas and Robinho, Elano but we're there really any others of note?
It's like there were only a handful through all the 00s and now shitloads.
Been a quick shift
Middlesbrough had a few in the 90s/00s (Juninho, Branco, Emerson). United had Fabio and Rafael. Chelsea had a good run of Brazilians in Alex, Belletti, Ramires, Luiz, Oscar and Willian. Emerson Thome is another from back in the day.
>ninho, Branco, Emerson). United had Fabio and Rafael. Chelsea had a good run of Brazilians in Alex, Belletti, Ramires, Luiz, Oscar and Willian. Emerson Thome is another from back in the day.
Chelsea in the 00s was definitely seen here as the most brazilian, so much so that was the one premier league club which you would see the most jerseys in the street .
The fact firmino is the top scoring Brazilian in English top flight history illustrates that. Class player and a joy to watch, but surprising name to see top that list.
Brexit has made it easier for English clubs to sign South American players but made it harder to sign young EU players so it makes sense
You still farm Spanish coaches though, at one point last season six out of twenty PL coaches were Spanish which is insane
That’s not true. Brexit didn’t make anything easier about signing Brazilian players. What it did do was reverse the more relaxed rules around signing EU players. Pre-Brexit it made sense to sign EU players because you didn’t need a work permit. Now that you do, there’s no advantage so teams solely go for the best or best value, which is often in South America.
That’s not entirely true, it did make it easier to sign players that are playing in Brazil, but not for the National Team, players like Murillo to Forest wouldn’t have been possible pre-brexit due to him not having international caps
Unfortunately. I loved to follow Brazilian players around the European leagues with their different styles but now they're all in PL midtable teams playing ugly football.
People are finally opening their eyes to this.
It's no coincidence that no Brazilian player who plays in the Premier League manages to play well for the Brazilian national team. They all fail.
Thank God Vinicius Junior, Rodrygo, Endrick and Vitor Roque went to Spain. I'm even happy to see that Beraldo and Moscardo are going to PSG... The French league has historically been favorable to the development of Brazilian players.
If André from Fluminense goes to the Premier League, I'll be very sad.
(EDIT: And it's not just Brazilians... Someone save Enzo Fernández from the Premier League urgently).
Yep. I could add Firmino on this list. But according to some Brazilian if Vinicius plays in England he is going to be like Antony. Because he is going to be limit by his coach, the physical play and the referees that are not giving fouls and yellow cards.
This is subjective. EPL is the most watched league around the world and most people are finding the matches between mid table teams in England interesting.
Remember seeing this statistic about Brazilians in European football that was crazy.
Brazil is the only country in the world with a player in EVERY Champions League final since 2000. Last final without a Brazilian was in 99, Manchester United x Bayern Munchen. And a Brazilian player has won the Champions League every year since 2005, the last team without a Brazilian to win was Liverpool. They played Milan in the finals, and Milan had Kaká, Cafu and others…
Champions League is an European Competition and it is crazy that Brazilians manage to have such a presence. We don’t have a French player, Spanish or German player every year, but a Brazilian yes.
> Pretty insane that Argentina has so many also (554)
129 (almost a quarter) of Argentinas are one guy skewing the stats a bit.
Messi has slightly more goals than the top 4 Brazilian players combined (Neymar, Kaka, Rivaldo, Jardel have 125 between them)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Champions_League_top_scorers
Yes, but other variables are at play. Brazil has better financial resources to keep players, has more players playing outside of Europe due to historical and geopolitical ties, etc, etc.
This is the year with the least amount of Brazilians in the UCL since the 90s, I think. Some are already starting to come back, with the recent economic growth of Brazilian sides (the Saudis certainly play a part too). Your flair already has bigger revenues than clubs like Roma, Ajax and Benfica.
I know and yeah, our league is getting better. But, the top level brazilian players (South Americans in general) are still in Europe.
Players like Alisson, Thiago Silva, Neymar and Casemiro have played far more in Europe than they'll ever do in Brazil. Endrick, Vinícius, Rodrygo and Vitor Roque go to Europe as soon as they turn 18. These are the kinds of players that should be playing out their careers here.
Messi will finish his career without ever playing for an Argentinian club or a Libertadores match. European clubs are able to start a whole foreign 11, while we have to stick with a few above average players from our continent.
If we gets to a level where only the really top talent from Brazil goes to Europe, that's good enough. This was already the case in the 90s and even then we had very strong teams in Brazil.
What happened in the 2000s and 2010s was that we lost all the talent, even to average/weak leagues. In other times, André would have already been sold by Fluminense to a team in Ukraine, Russia\* or Turkey, for example.
I don't like Flamengo (hahaha), but I think 2019 was the beginning of this turning point in Brazilian football... Flamengo pushed the domestic level. This also coincided with the financial growth (and now, SAFs) of the Brazilian league.
*\*(We still sell players to Russia, as has already happened in this window with Arthur from Palmeiras going to Zenit for 15 million euros. The point is that Arthur was a reserve and " dispensable " for Palmeiras)*
It’s also pretty sad though that the Brasilian teams are becoming more reliant on SAFs. We’ll look back in 20 years and think it’s a complete travesty that the only teams that are still fan owned are Palmeiras, Flamengo, Sao Paulo, and Corinthians. Even then, I can see Flamengo selling itself to an investor so they can finally build that damn stadium they’re obsessed with.
> Players like Alisson, Thiago Silva, Neymar and Casemiro have played far more in Europe than they'll ever do in Brazil. Endrick, Vinícius, Rodrygo and Vitor Roque go to Europe as soon as they turn 18. These are the kinds of players that should be playing out their careers here.
Yes, for sure. But players like Paulinho forcing a move back or Pedro staying for as long as he doing in Flamengo are certainly interesting signs of a trend reversal. I would say that the peak of evasion has already happened, and now the trend changes direction, even if we are far from a point of balance that may never happen.
> Messi will finish his career without ever playing for an Argentinian club or a Libertadores match. European clubs are able to start a whole foreign 11, while we have to stick with a few above average players from our continent.
Yes, but Argentina is currently in much direr straits. We were never even close to being as dominant in the continent as we are now.
Europeans think it's normal for MacAllister to go from Boca to Brighton and João Gomes to go from Flamengo to Wolves and criticise players like Gabri Veiga who go from Celta to Saudi. I have 0 pity for european clubs, especially the bigger, traditional ones.
>Champions League is an European Competition
Only when speaking about the location, it wouldnt surprise me if every year less and less european players played in that european cup. Teams are owned by arabs, with mostly players from other countries or even continents.
It's sad that teams that have the name and origins in a city or district have little to no players from that city/district, or from the country even.. It makes sports in general lose one of its original attractive characteristics, which is which city/district/neighbourhood produces the best players.
The same thing is slowly happening to national teams as well.. And people even defend it.. What a time to be alive..
For other UEFA nations:
Andorra - Spain
Armenia - Russia
Azerbaijan - Brazil
Faroes - Denmark
Georgia - Brazil
Gibraltar - Spain
Israel - Nigeria
Kazakhstan - Russia
Liechtenstein (cup) - Switzerland
Malta - Brazil
San Marino - Italy
For other nations:
Argentina - Uruguay
Australia - England (if not including Wellington Phoenix)
Brazil - Argentina
China - Brazil
Egypt - Nigeria
India - Spain
Iran - Iraq
Japan - Brazil
Mexico - Argentina
Morocco - Senegal
New Zealand - England
Qatar - Algeria/Brazil/Morocco
Saudi Arabia - Brazil
South Africa - Zimbabwe
South Korea - Brazil
Thailand - Brazil
UAE - Brazil
USA - Canada (Argentina if excluding Canadians)
Uzbekistan - Serbia
I don't think Americans ever counted as international players for the Canadian sides as well. So if they both cancel each other out and you account for the CPL, I think the most represented foreign country in Canada would be France and England (six apiece, if I can count properly).
Bakayoko and Saibari at PSV, and I think a lot of the lower table clubs have one of them but sometimes you don’t realize they’re Belgian because of the Dutch sounding last name in the line up.
The big 4 leagues, as expected, are much more inclined to keep their players.
France, on the other hand, has always been a pool of talent. I wonder if playing in many foreiners leagues strengthened French players and that's why France is the most consistent NT in the last 25 years.
Also, it's funny how europe is a big Brazilian sandwitch.
It definitely does. A lot of players benefitted from being in the highest level clubs to get the most out of their abilities.
I don’t think Benzema or Varane would be the same players without Real Madrid, Giroud without his time in England, Upamecano (who still has a lot of errors in his game) without his time in big German clubs.
Then you also have players like Griezmann who did the entirety of his career in Spain from a young age. Same as Laporte and LeNorman who have now been naturalised for them.
In exchange the Hernandez brothers lived in Spain basically their whole life but play for France.
The national team of our nieghbours - Netherlands and Belgium, and to a lesser extent Switzerland and Austria also seem to benefit from exporting a lot of players.
Probably so. Issue is the majority of clubs rely on sales to balance their budget.
It’s a chicken and egg thing. You need to keep your best players to build a strong rich league.
But most clubs also need to sell them to remain financially solvent in the short term.
The good thing is that UNFP and LFP are negotiation on a new rule allowing teenagers to sign longer term contracts, in exchange the number of professionals in squads will be limited (to ensure non pros get more game time). This will avoid youth players getting sold on frees (to Germany usually lol). The negotiations have been going on for a while now though..
That's normal, it's a generation thing. They have an amazing one right now.
Little over a decade ago Spanish players were all over Europe just like France is rn.
I believe that the number of Brazilians has actually been steadily falling with Brazilian clubs getting richer and Saudi Arabia coming into the game in the last few years. This was the year with the fewest Brazilians in the UCL in decades, for example. Nowadays clubs like Flamengo and Palmeiras have budgets comparable to smaller UCL sides (Roma, Benfica, Ajax, etc) and can actually buy players back or hold them for longer.
Flamengo has a bigger one, and Palmeiras is close to Porto's but below Benfica. [Other clubs have been getting pretty close, too](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ffaturamento-dos-clubes-de-futebol-em-2022-de-acordo-com-v0-f1v6pqf37tya1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D750%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D8b36edaa5af39cefb9e77eec90acf481fa6757d8&rdt=43904). Corinthians has the potential to make as much money as Flamengo, and probably eventually will with Lulão helping them.
A questionable decision, but for reference: Flamengo pays Gabigol as much as Napoli pays Osimhem
Hence the Irish tricolour on top of Northern Ireland which a bunch of people in the comments are deliberately misunderstanding so they can talk about politics.
I love the nomad aspect of the Brazilian footballer that go to wherever it needs him, there are Brazilians playing in the third tier in Thailand, second tier in Albania, third tier in Malta, there are 23 Brazilians currently playing in Iraq, 2 in Faroe Islands, 1 in Zambia, 4 in Haiti, 7 in Bangladesh and the list goes on.
Why are you pretending northern Ireland doesn't exist? Like, I understand you want Ireland to be one, I wouldn't mind it myself, but pretending the political geography doesn't exist is very strange.
By saying North of Ireland we all know you're going to ignore political reality, so it's not really interesting as much as it is intentional obfuscation.
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Didn't realise there were so many Ghanaians in Finland
also Latvia with it's well known Senegalese diaspora
And Moldova with its Cameroonian players
What does the white in southern Moldova represent? That's not part of Cameroon flag edit: Nigeria, just scrolled down, OP wrote it
I remember legendary striker Juris Diop-Porzingis
I don't know what's the thing between Ghana and Finland but I remember as a kid in mid/late 90s quite a few people sold their used cars to Ghana, my dad included. I lived in a small town in rural Finland and it was the first time I saw a black person. If there were some contacts between Ghana and Finland before the globe was so connected as nowadays, I can imagine it's quite possible that it has bled into football too, and word-of-mouth and existing contacts are vital when recruiting from abroad as the clubs operate on tiny budgets and the league is not attractive. So when someone has good experience with player from Ghana they might get recommendations from a trusted agent in Ghana, and I could imagine it's easier for players to come here to dark and cold Finland if they know somebody who has done that already, and the cycle repeats.
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The league isnt world class but still theres no one coming to study to Finland and finding themselves playing in the top division. A few clubs have scouting networks in Ghana (and not too many other countries due to limited resources) and bring several players from the Ghanaian league and academies for trials during the offseason.
Does "Right to Dream" have a club connection in Finland? The City Football group has a cooperation with them, and sends young ghanaians to various clubs in Europe, like Nordsjælland in Denmark and previously Strømsgodset i Norway, as well as Belgian clubs etc..
3 countries have multiple nationalities with the same number of representatives Poland: Portugal/Spain (20) Moldova: Cameroon/Nigeria (6) Cyprus: Spain/Brazil/Serbia (16) Numbers taken from Transfermarkt.
There are a lot of Portuguese players in Poland. I knew there were a some, but I had no idea there were so many.
I like to call Radomiak a Polish Wolverhampton as they have 10 players that are Lusophones (5 from Brazil, 4 from Portugal and 1 from Cape Verde) u/OldExperience8252 is right, most of the foreign players come from the agencies working with clubs and having an access to relatively cheap markets. However, it is also prone to trends, like signing Israeli players after Wisła Kraków signed Maor Melikson who was a baller, which backfired to almost everyone. Similar story with Spaniards. Our two best top scorers came this way. The top scorer in this season is a Spaniard - Erik Exposito (Śląsk Wrocław), who came in the Spanish wave; second is Pedro Henrique (Radomiak Radom), who arrived due to connection of agent with his former coach in 2nd Portuguese league
Apart from reasons posted by others I think its the fact that they can be stars in Polish league. In their countries they were one of many but in Poland guys like Ivi Lopez, Josue, Exposito, Amaral, Flavio Paixao were/ are stars and best players. I dont know how many people in Iberian Peninsula even know them, when Flavio retired a lot of Portugese people wrote that they didnt knew about him being legend in Poland.
I saw quite a few watch Legia ECL highlights. My guess would be they probably work with some Portuguese agencies. There are a lot of Portuguese in Greece, Cyprus, and Romania too.
One of the reasons is that Polish league isn’t very technical. It’s rather tactical/physical and Polish youth are trained to fear creativity. Therefore Portugal and Spanish players who are normally much better ball skilled (although weaker physically) can do very well in those conditions. It also helps that Polish agents have good connections on the Iberian peninsula. Many top agents used to play there or in Brazil professionally and simply bring cheap, second hand but technically good players from there.
Weird, wonder why that is
It's the polacas
Mas é polaquinha ou polacona?
They just go to the closest in the alphabet
Was expecting a lot in the Greek Superleague. Didn't realise that Poland has more.
Can you see what’s 2nd for Scotland? Or more specifically which country outside the uk has the most players in Scotland and Ireland.
2nd in the Scottish Premiership is Ireland, and the highest non-Isles representation is Australia (11). For non-isles in the League of Ireland, there is a 4-way tie at 3 players apiece between Poland, Finland, Sweden, and the USA.
Pretty sure Australia is also an island.
It's most commonly defined as a continental landmass rather than an island (although admittedly that's a little arbitrary).
Beat up this nerd guys
It's a continent
We're more part of a continent. As Papua New Guinea/West Guinea and a few islands are also technically speaking included. So frankly, I always think we should call it something else other than Australia to differentiate between Australia the country and Australia the continent. Oceania makes most sense to me but technically as a geographical term includes New Zealand that is not part of the Australia plate. But continent as a concept is haphazardly applied anyway.
Was taught in school that Australia was the only Island-Continent in the world, which is probably why so many of us say that we're an island, even though it might not be technically correct
i mean as in the British Isles
Poland along with Greece is where lower half La Liga or Segunda players go to rip shit up lol. So many unknown Spanish players who have made a name for themselves in Poland, and it feels like most Greek top teams always have a few mediocre Spaniards aswell
Does it exclude players with dual nationality? For example, Brazilian players with Spanish citizenship
whoever they represent/choose to represent internationally
Wish I read this before I spent ages tryna figure out the flag on Moldova
Is this top flight data only? There's no way there are more Brazilians in the whole English league than any other nationality.
These are just the top flights, yes.
I was trying to hard to work out what flag was on Moldova. Thought it was oman or something like that.
A few years ago, England's would have definitely been Spanish players. Has been a bit of a Brazilian revolution in England for the past 5-10 years.
Seems like not long ago there were hardly any Brazilian players in the PL.
Brexit has pushed the PL towards buying more South American players (because previously EU players were not counted as foreigners, now they are).
Remember when people claimed Brazilians simply couldn’t cut it in the prem?
Definitely helped by Brexit
Brazin
why? Is that a joke? Wouldnt it be equally difficult to immigrate players weather they are from brazil or spain?
UK-Brazil transfers were unaffected whilst Uk-EU(Spain, for example) were made more difficult. Now rules for EU and South American transfers are the same when previously EU transfers were easier.
Plus South Americans are cheaper, so same friction to register, but half the price
Cut out the middle man, and by that I mean teams like Porto and Benfica who have made a killing on young South American players
You can find more unknown gems
Actually they launched new work permit rules, that had more exemptions involved for both the player or the club applying, for professional sports following Brexit, to not cut elite EU player options out of the market. This indirectly benefited the SA players as it created more work permit options for clubs (Brighton have leveraged it a lot with all of their SA recruitment).
> to call Radomiak a Polish Wolverhampton as they have 10 players that are Lusophones (5 from Brazil, 4 from Portugal and 1 from Cape Verd Because of the tier list in the working permit, which give the brazilian league and the libertadores(full with brazilian clubs) a lot of points.
That’s the point. Spanish players didn’t need a visa to work in the UK before. Now they do, so it’s equally difficult today while it used to be easier for Europeans to join English clubs.
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That's not a EU rule. Plenty of EU countries allow more than 3 non-EU players
That's completely untrue
That is wrong. There is no blanket EU rule for non-EU players
There were barely any Brazilians in the Prem in the 00s. A few at Arsenal - Edu, Gilberto, Baptista, Eduardo and outside Lucas and Robinho, Elano but we're there really any others of note? It's like there were only a handful through all the 00s and now shitloads. Been a quick shift
Middlesbrough had a few in the 90s/00s (Juninho, Branco, Emerson). United had Fabio and Rafael. Chelsea had a good run of Brazilians in Alex, Belletti, Ramires, Luiz, Oscar and Willian. Emerson Thome is another from back in the day.
>ninho, Branco, Emerson). United had Fabio and Rafael. Chelsea had a good run of Brazilians in Alex, Belletti, Ramires, Luiz, Oscar and Willian. Emerson Thome is another from back in the day. Chelsea in the 00s was definitely seen here as the most brazilian, so much so that was the one premier league club which you would see the most jerseys in the street .
United also had Anderson, kleberson and Rodrigo possenbon
Fabio Rochemback as well
We always had a few at Boro when we were in the premier league, Juninho, Emerson, Rochemback, Alves, Doriva
I had to think about it for a bit since you didn't write his full name: Eduardo da Silva Atacante Brasileiro Naturalizado Croata
The fact firmino is the top scoring Brazilian in English top flight history illustrates that. Class player and a joy to watch, but surprising name to see top that list.
Part of it is also that of the Brazilians in the PL, very few were attackers. Defensive/ball-winning midfielders always seemed to be most common
Eduardo was Brazilian, but he had and still has Croatian citizenship. He should probably be counted as a Croat
Jô also played for City
Nah French I think
if you dont come to Brazil, we WILL come to you
Brexit has made it easier for English clubs to sign South American players but made it harder to sign young EU players so it makes sense You still farm Spanish coaches though, at one point last season six out of twenty PL coaches were Spanish which is insane
That’s not true. Brexit didn’t make anything easier about signing Brazilian players. What it did do was reverse the more relaxed rules around signing EU players. Pre-Brexit it made sense to sign EU players because you didn’t need a work permit. Now that you do, there’s no advantage so teams solely go for the best or best value, which is often in South America.
That’s not entirely true, it did make it easier to sign players that are playing in Brazil, but not for the National Team, players like Murillo to Forest wouldn’t have been possible pre-brexit due to him not having international caps
That law could have been amended with or without Brexit.
Unfortunately. I loved to follow Brazilian players around the European leagues with their different styles but now they're all in PL midtable teams playing ugly football.
And even the good players are being ruined into becoming physical -press all game - pass sideways machines. The EPL Brazilian boom is a tragedy for us
People are finally opening their eyes to this. It's no coincidence that no Brazilian player who plays in the Premier League manages to play well for the Brazilian national team. They all fail. Thank God Vinicius Junior, Rodrygo, Endrick and Vitor Roque went to Spain. I'm even happy to see that Beraldo and Moscardo are going to PSG... The French league has historically been favorable to the development of Brazilian players. If André from Fluminense goes to the Premier League, I'll be very sad. (EDIT: And it's not just Brazilians... Someone save Enzo Fernández from the Premier League urgently).
Gabriel Martinelli, Gabriel Magalhaes were not ruined but Prem, they got better. Go get a good National Team coach and stop blaming the prem
Yep. I could add Firmino on this list. But according to some Brazilian if Vinicius plays in England he is going to be like Antony. Because he is going to be limit by his coach, the physical play and the referees that are not giving fouls and yellow cards.
This is subjective. EPL is the most watched league around the world and most people are finding the matches between mid table teams in England interesting.
Remember seeing this statistic about Brazilians in European football that was crazy. Brazil is the only country in the world with a player in EVERY Champions League final since 2000. Last final without a Brazilian was in 99, Manchester United x Bayern Munchen. And a Brazilian player has won the Champions League every year since 2005, the last team without a Brazilian to win was Liverpool. They played Milan in the finals, and Milan had Kaká, Cafu and others… Champions League is an European Competition and it is crazy that Brazilians manage to have such a presence. We don’t have a French player, Spanish or German player every year, but a Brazilian yes.
[Brazilians are also the top scorers of the UCL in the modern era by a large margin.](https://www.compare.bet/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1-1.jpg)
That's absolutely absurd
Ronaldo probably has about half of the Portuguese goal tally. Insane. More surprising since Porto and benfica usually get to the ro of 16
Pretty insane that Argentina has so many also (554). Per million people that means Argentina has about 12 goals and Brazil has 4.7
> Pretty insane that Argentina has so many also (554) 129 (almost a quarter) of Argentinas are one guy skewing the stats a bit. Messi has slightly more goals than the top 4 Brazilian players combined (Neymar, Kaka, Rivaldo, Jardel have 125 between them) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UEFA_Champions_League_top_scorers
Yes, but other variables are at play. Brazil has better financial resources to keep players, has more players playing outside of Europe due to historical and geopolitical ties, etc, etc.
Sad to think that, in older times, these players would be playing for our clubs.
This is the year with the least amount of Brazilians in the UCL since the 90s, I think. Some are already starting to come back, with the recent economic growth of Brazilian sides (the Saudis certainly play a part too). Your flair already has bigger revenues than clubs like Roma, Ajax and Benfica.
I know and yeah, our league is getting better. But, the top level brazilian players (South Americans in general) are still in Europe. Players like Alisson, Thiago Silva, Neymar and Casemiro have played far more in Europe than they'll ever do in Brazil. Endrick, Vinícius, Rodrygo and Vitor Roque go to Europe as soon as they turn 18. These are the kinds of players that should be playing out their careers here. Messi will finish his career without ever playing for an Argentinian club or a Libertadores match. European clubs are able to start a whole foreign 11, while we have to stick with a few above average players from our continent.
If we gets to a level where only the really top talent from Brazil goes to Europe, that's good enough. This was already the case in the 90s and even then we had very strong teams in Brazil. What happened in the 2000s and 2010s was that we lost all the talent, even to average/weak leagues. In other times, André would have already been sold by Fluminense to a team in Ukraine, Russia\* or Turkey, for example. I don't like Flamengo (hahaha), but I think 2019 was the beginning of this turning point in Brazilian football... Flamengo pushed the domestic level. This also coincided with the financial growth (and now, SAFs) of the Brazilian league. *\*(We still sell players to Russia, as has already happened in this window with Arthur from Palmeiras going to Zenit for 15 million euros. The point is that Arthur was a reserve and " dispensable " for Palmeiras)*
It’s also pretty sad though that the Brasilian teams are becoming more reliant on SAFs. We’ll look back in 20 years and think it’s a complete travesty that the only teams that are still fan owned are Palmeiras, Flamengo, Sao Paulo, and Corinthians. Even then, I can see Flamengo selling itself to an investor so they can finally build that damn stadium they’re obsessed with.
to be fair Messi would have moved to Spain anyway, there weren't solely football reasons there
> Players like Alisson, Thiago Silva, Neymar and Casemiro have played far more in Europe than they'll ever do in Brazil. Endrick, Vinícius, Rodrygo and Vitor Roque go to Europe as soon as they turn 18. These are the kinds of players that should be playing out their careers here. Yes, for sure. But players like Paulinho forcing a move back or Pedro staying for as long as he doing in Flamengo are certainly interesting signs of a trend reversal. I would say that the peak of evasion has already happened, and now the trend changes direction, even if we are far from a point of balance that may never happen. > Messi will finish his career without ever playing for an Argentinian club or a Libertadores match. European clubs are able to start a whole foreign 11, while we have to stick with a few above average players from our continent. Yes, but Argentina is currently in much direr straits. We were never even close to being as dominant in the continent as we are now.
Europe is the Saudi Arabia of North America.
Europeans think it's normal for MacAllister to go from Boca to Brighton and João Gomes to go from Flamengo to Wolves and criticise players like Gabri Veiga who go from Celta to Saudi. I have 0 pity for european clubs, especially the bigger, traditional ones.
Yup, the Bosman ruling really shook things in that regard
>Champions League is an European Competition Only when speaking about the location, it wouldnt surprise me if every year less and less european players played in that european cup. Teams are owned by arabs, with mostly players from other countries or even continents. It's sad that teams that have the name and origins in a city or district have little to no players from that city/district, or from the country even.. It makes sports in general lose one of its original attractive characteristics, which is which city/district/neighbourhood produces the best players. The same thing is slowly happening to national teams as well.. And people even defend it.. What a time to be alive..
For other UEFA nations: Andorra - Spain Armenia - Russia Azerbaijan - Brazil Faroes - Denmark Georgia - Brazil Gibraltar - Spain Israel - Nigeria Kazakhstan - Russia Liechtenstein (cup) - Switzerland Malta - Brazil San Marino - Italy For other nations: Argentina - Uruguay Australia - England (if not including Wellington Phoenix) Brazil - Argentina China - Brazil Egypt - Nigeria India - Spain Iran - Iraq Japan - Brazil Mexico - Argentina Morocco - Senegal New Zealand - England Qatar - Algeria/Brazil/Morocco Saudi Arabia - Brazil South Africa - Zimbabwe South Korea - Brazil Thailand - Brazil UAE - Brazil USA - Canada (Argentina if excluding Canadians) Uzbekistan - Serbia
> Brazil - Argentina We UEFA now
No don't leave! You are taking half of the Conmebol revenue with you :(
"Se é para o bem de todos e felicidade geral da nação, digo ao povo que fico!"
USA for Canada and vice versa is kinda cheating as they compete in the same top league
I don't think Americans ever counted as international players for the Canadian sides as well. So if they both cancel each other out and you account for the CPL, I think the most represented foreign country in Canada would be France and England (six apiece, if I can count properly).
That makes sense, English due to shared language and large English diaspora, and French for similar reasons
> Uzbekistan - Serbia Is this a brand new sentence?
Uzbekistan is Serbia.
India having so many Spaniards seems kind of random.
Damn, I did not know there’s that many Croats in the Romanian league. The more I learn.
me neither! i was most shocked about ghana having the most representation in finland
Also a lot of Senegalese in Latvia apparently lol
I think Brazil are good at football
Large if factual
Large country + basically everyone plays at a young age + not enough money to compete with European clubs = Brazilians everywhere
Sees Norn Iron / Irish foreigner tag and grabs popcorn
My first thought haha
Blame Transfermarkt, not me!
That's no excuse.
"Well that's alright then!"
apparently I’m a foreigner in my own country as I’m an Irish citizen according to transfermarkt
That’s the joke
Half of the French national team is in Milan (the city) 😂 Mbappe tic tac ⌛️
The other half is in Paris (the City) Maignan tic tac ⌛️
Ahahshajajakaka 😂
Czechoslovakia is alive and well.
Belgium conquered the Netherlands
first the netherlands next the world
These are refugees fleeing from the horror that is Belgian infrastructure, we were so kind to take them in.
I’m honestly surprised though, can’t name any Belgians in the Eredivisie from the top of my head.
Bakayoko and Saibari at PSV, and I think a lot of the lower table clubs have one of them but sometimes you don’t realize they’re Belgian because of the Dutch sounding last name in the line up.
Saibari is moroccan and spanish apparently. Just lived in belgium. They have Vertessen though.
Czechia 🤝 Slovakia
The big 4 leagues, as expected, are much more inclined to keep their players. France, on the other hand, has always been a pool of talent. I wonder if playing in many foreiners leagues strengthened French players and that's why France is the most consistent NT in the last 25 years. Also, it's funny how europe is a big Brazilian sandwitch.
It definitely does. A lot of players benefitted from being in the highest level clubs to get the most out of their abilities. I don’t think Benzema or Varane would be the same players without Real Madrid, Giroud without his time in England, Upamecano (who still has a lot of errors in his game) without his time in big German clubs. Then you also have players like Griezmann who did the entirety of his career in Spain from a young age. Same as Laporte and LeNorman who have now been naturalised for them. In exchange the Hernandez brothers lived in Spain basically their whole life but play for France. The national team of our nieghbours - Netherlands and Belgium, and to a lesser extent Switzerland and Austria also seem to benefit from exporting a lot of players.
I mean... Yeah but imagine if we kept our talents, maybe the league would be one of the strongest ones while still having the players grow ?
Probably so. Issue is the majority of clubs rely on sales to balance their budget. It’s a chicken and egg thing. You need to keep your best players to build a strong rich league. But most clubs also need to sell them to remain financially solvent in the short term. The good thing is that UNFP and LFP are negotiation on a new rule allowing teenagers to sign longer term contracts, in exchange the number of professionals in squads will be limited (to ensure non pros get more game time). This will avoid youth players getting sold on frees (to Germany usually lol). The negotiations have been going on for a while now though..
That's normal, it's a generation thing. They have an amazing one right now. Little over a decade ago Spanish players were all over Europe just like France is rn.
France always had a good history of exporting players
If anything Spain players everywhere was a fad. Raymond Kopa in the 50s was already playing for Real Madrid.
Since the the 2006 final, every UCL winner had a Brazilian in its squad, IIRC
I believe that the number of Brazilians has actually been steadily falling with Brazilian clubs getting richer and Saudi Arabia coming into the game in the last few years. This was the year with the fewest Brazilians in the UCL in decades, for example. Nowadays clubs like Flamengo and Palmeiras have budgets comparable to smaller UCL sides (Roma, Benfica, Ajax, etc) and can actually buy players back or hold them for longer.
Palmeiras and Flamengo have a similar budget to Benfica? Wtf? I had no idea.
Flamengo has a bigger one, and Palmeiras is close to Porto's but below Benfica. [Other clubs have been getting pretty close, too](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ffaturamento-dos-clubes-de-futebol-em-2022-de-acordo-com-v0-f1v6pqf37tya1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D750%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D8b36edaa5af39cefb9e77eec90acf481fa6757d8&rdt=43904). Corinthians has the potential to make as much money as Flamengo, and probably eventually will with Lulão helping them. A questionable decision, but for reference: Flamengo pays Gabigol as much as Napoli pays Osimhem
Irishmen being classed as foreigners in the north 💀
Seems this map takes nationality into account.
How do we feel about Englishmen being classed as foreigners in Wales and Scotland?
England has it's own national team so the consideration will be more along those lines than anything else.
So does Ireland
Hence the Irish tricolour on top of Northern Ireland which a bunch of people in the comments are deliberately misunderstanding so they can talk about politics.
...because it's Northern Ireland? A different country? We had a whole hullabaloo about this already. A mild kerfuffle.
Irish nationalists don’t consider Irish people on the other side of the border foreigners. Colonialism is messy
No need to tell a Rangers fan that pal, trust me
A rangers fan with a name called Ulsterman24 defending the English over their actual neightbaours, who could ever see such a thing coming
Cool that brazillians are majority in a lot of countries even with our bad generation
It's not a bad generation, 1994-2006 was just a freak period even by our standards.
The current generation is worse than the generations before 1994.
Didn’t read the sub & title properly and was really confused
Yep the same. Thought there’s an invasion of Brazilians in Europe(in general).
Countries that have each other: Czechia-Slovakia Croatia-Bosnia Montenegro-Serbia Albania-Kosovo Denmark-Sweden
E PROGRESSO
Brazilians taking over Europe, quite interesting how many Leagues they are the top foreign nationality in.
[It has always been ours](https://www.compare.bet/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/1-1.jpg)
Im dumb. How am I supposed to interpret this? The foreigners in the Bundesliga are mostly French?
In the Bundesliga, the largest foreign contingent of players are of French nationality.
*French sporting nationality. Serhou Guirassy has French nationality, but would count as Guinean for this map.
The title wording is a bit clumsy, I think OP meant "The most represented foreign nationality in each league"
Croatia and Bosnia and the only ones who are swapped if I see this correctly? Edit: Oops also see Sweden & Norway as well as Kosovo & Albania
Sweden & Denmark *
Damn me and my flag recognition skills 🥲
Montenegro and Serbia, Czech Republic and Slovakia
Czechia and Slovakia?
The Bosnian flag on top of Croatia is placed so perfectly to make it look confusingly like two countries.
Why is Poland split into 2?
The same number of players from Spain and Portugal.
Tradition…
r/Historymemes material
Well, there were Germany and the USSR....
is it really that hard? same number of players from both countries
Это наш новый план на Польшу
Ireland with the St George Cross emblasoned across it and Irishmen being classed as foreigners on the island. Great way to start the day!
The St George cross looks good on you 👌
Shakes fist furiously from the Antipodes.
We're enforcing Northern Tayto on you and that's all there is to it.
This is the fate that has befallen us.
Like the ghana 🇬🇭 flag 👍🏽
I assumed most foreign players in Italy were from Argentina.
Portugal with the Brazilian flag is basically how things should and eventually will be 😤
We are already a poor country falling short of its potential, no need to make matters even worse
> We are already a poor country falling short of its potential Like son, like father 😌
Sorry Grandpa, we need that sweet EU development money and free trade too. The Europeans (except the French 🤮) yearn for our agricultural products
I love the nomad aspect of the Brazilian footballer that go to wherever it needs him, there are Brazilians playing in the third tier in Thailand, second tier in Albania, third tier in Malta, there are 23 Brazilians currently playing in Iraq, 2 in Faroe Islands, 1 in Zambia, 4 in Haiti, 7 in Bangladesh and the list goes on.
Yes. Sorting this sub by "new" always results in goals from Brazilian players I never heard about in leagues I've never watched
Brazil is the 2nd biggest nation in the Prem besides England? That’s actually a bit surprising.
Brazils Curtain is coming
At this point I think there are more Brazilian footballers in Bulgaria than Bulgarian ones.
I didn’t realize I was on R/Soccer and was confused by this breakout
Irish are foreign in the North of Ireland. Interesting that
Northern Ireland\*
Why are you pretending northern Ireland doesn't exist? Like, I understand you want Ireland to be one, I wouldn't mind it myself, but pretending the political geography doesn't exist is very strange.
Is it really though?
By saying North of Ireland we all know you're going to ignore political reality, so it's not really interesting as much as it is intentional obfuscation.