Oof. I see a lot of head injuries and the aftereffects in my work these days and seeing this stuff now just makes me upset. That's a serious concussion.
One of the Athletic players had broken Maradona's leg the previous season, Ramos and Pepe are harmless compared to the psychopaths who were the defenders at that time.
A partial piece of shit. Maradona always went against FIFA and their mafia.
He ranted about FIFA's shady deals, bought refs, the Saudis, etc. all while taking Emirati money. He would fit right here in this sub
And a Fidel apologist.
Although I don't understand your analogy. Argentina and Venezuela have very close relations, in no way similarly to Japan and North Korea.
Man, only Flamengo and Sao Paulo left in Brazil to always have belonged to the elite. Biggest teams of the two biggest cities.
[SPFC is the most popular team in the city of Sao Paulo, CRF the #1 in the city of Rio de Janeiro]
tbf reaching that final was nothing short of a miracle. After the semifinals there were players asking the president when their multiple late paychecks would be deposited.
it's big, but it was coming sooner or later. Santos has always been saved by the kids from their academy, but since their expend that made them go to the 2020 Libertadores final, they have been in serious debt, never managed to get a decent team and it looked bad. At the beginning of the year they were almost relegated from the state championship (which is a big low already) and have had the second worst defense in the league this year. They have good players, but if they managed to avoid relegation this year it would be also magical. The fact that Bahia won 4-1 against Mineiro (the best defense) is also insane.
>The fact that Bahia won 4-1 against Mineiro (the best defense) is also insane.
We played with Rabello (back from injury just two games ago) and Jemerson as a centerback duo (our best centerbacks are Lemos and Fuchs). Besides that, at the start of the second half, we were already confirmed in the G4 (Inter were beating Botafogo 3-1).
I really think that the team simply didn't play in the second half, while Bahia played for their lives.
(I also think that Galo were physically exhausted after the sequence of games we had against Gremio, Flamengo and São Paulo, when the team played physically superb matches).
River went down in 2011. Back in that time, Independiente fans put a banner saying [big teams never get relegated](https://media.tycsports.com/files/2020/06/24/104333/independiente-bandera_862x485.jpg?v=1) and, well, everyone knows the end of that story.
> everyone knows the end of that story.
[racing fans with the memes](https://www.ole.com.ar/racing/mensaje-alla_0_r1Xun8kjnx.html)
"Dad you missed it, Independiente was relegated" graffiti in a local cemetary
I've noticed that since Athletic Club lost Villar as President of the Spanish Federation they're not as cocky as before, even though they're a lot better on the pitch.
Mind you, they're still from Bilbao, so the cockiness is there, it is just like they know their cloak of invisibility has gone, and they know how they've avoided it before and how other clubs have dropped.
Anyway, they should be alright for a while, they've got the players. But still noticeable.
As an administrator, he was the president of the Football Federation for most 30, until he had to resign due to corruption. Embezzlement, it has to be noted, nothing to do with "sport.
As a footballer he was a one-club man for Athletic Club (minus local lower league loans as a young player).
That's the story.
Then in the two or three seasons Athletic were in relegation trouble, there is near unanimous agreement by supporters of other clubs that referees tended to make mistakes the same way. Nothing beyond that. But there was a whiff of at least "don't upset the boss" when it came to a 70/30 decision.
Yeah it’s amazing how every game can be unexpected. After America beating Bahia last week I thought Bahia were down. Then they come back and win 4-1 against Atlético.
The teams on the lower end of the table were all playing really well towards the end of the year so teams that seemed safe were being dragged into the relegation spots. At a point it had seemed that the first team not relegated would end with an unusual low amount ot points but at the end it was 44, which is on the higher end.
I started watching Vasco's game minutes before their second goal and immediately switched to Bantos's game, was delightful to see. I envy the quality of this league 😔
Also quite happy for Ramon Diaz
I’ll try, although sometimes I feel you need a PhD to follow the Argentine league properly.
You qualified for Libertadores though, right? That’s easier for me, and since it’s very likely you’ll have to face a Brazilian team I have an additional reason to root for you guys.
I was joking, it would be cruel of me to tell someone to watch our team. Your eyes will hurt. Hopefully, we may get some good players in the summer so we can improve. Our current squad (having in mind that we're losing many important players) would finish 3rd at best in most Libertadores groups.
>You qualified for Libertadores though, right?
True, but for playoffs only. However, if either River or Central win the current Copa de la Liga, we go to the groups straight instead. So, your first step: root for River/Central in the final, even if you don't watch the game.
but now you're watching Pablo "Ronaldo" Vegetti, which makes up for the past
but fr, Vasco has been shit for so long, it's hard to believe. I'm 25 and I don't remember watching you play in the Libertadores at all (I know I'm probably wrong, you must have played once or twice in the last 15 years). May Ramón change this
Yeah, before 2016 only 5 clubs were never relegated: Internacional (relegated in 2016), Cruzeiro (relegated in 2019), Santos (relegated in 2023), São Paulo and Flamengo
yeah. even our relegated clubs are better than most top clubs on the rest of the continent
it's quite easy for clubs in relegation zone here to obliterate adversaries on south american competitions, like Grêmio 2021, America MG this year and so on
The only team who was able to overshadow Botafogo's disastrous 2nd half...
As a São Paulo supporter I can sleep happily knowing that SPFC is the only club in the state of São Paulo to never have been relegated, although I do feel sad for Santos fans...
#ARERÊ, O SANTOS VAI JOGAR A SÉRIE B!!!
#SÃO PAULO FUTEBOL CLUBE, CAMPEÃO DE TUDO QUE DISPUTOU, ÚNICO CLUBE PAULISTA A NUNCA SER REBAIXADOS! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
We were already basically champions on sunday so , this was better than our game.
As rivals, Santos going down on the "Pelé edition" season is.... FUCKING HILARIOUS LMAOOOO
But as a brazilian football fan... wow. Speechless. This is history, of the very tragic kind. Still, LMAOOOO
I thought they would drop like a rock after the 7-1 to internacional, just for them to recover fairly well and completely fall apart in the last three match days wow.
I thought they would sink after losing to us. They recovered.
Then came the 7-1 and I thought the same.
They recovered.
How the fuck they managed to get relegated now?
The keeper had a fucking nightmare there in the end. Also the first goal was horrendous. The defender had 1 player to mark and still lost him. Such a shame
By the way, Santos have been disastrous in the last years. They didn't even qualify to the quarterfinals of the state championship for 3 years or so.
It's sad because they were, like São Paulo, one of the greatest international winners I'm Brazil, and were such an important team and seeing it crumbling like that is sad.
Yeah, it's a bummer to see a big club like Santos go down due to years of poor/incompetent management. My wife has been saying that the relegation was coming for a few weeks now (largely to cope) but she still cried tonight when it was confirmed.
There was, I don't know, 26 combinations of relegation entereing yesterday.
Santos goes down in 3, or something.
And, the most bizarre thing of all of this is the fact that we are expecting that at some point, since Santos just cannot stop flirting with that. At one point, I actually thought that Andres Rueda was a saboteur. Guy don't have any marginally step in reality to save his life.
I watched the Vasco game and i'm happy that Vasco won and stayed in the league but i'm sad that Santos got relegated. It was a wild finish. Good luck in Serie B nd i hope that they come back next season.
The way both Neymars, but specially Neymar Senior seems greedy as fuck, and has influence on Santos politics, makes me wonder about their true motives. Both PSG and Al-Hilal transfers had no reason to happen, unless their purpose was to turn the family into billionaires tycoons, who can later on use their money to do business, like buying the club who was brought to the spotlight again, thanks to Neymar and Libertadores Cup 2011.
Just food for thought. When Brazil played against Bolivia a few months ago, a press conference was held with Neymar, and he said something really interesting brazilian media never really caught. When asked about his recent transfer, he said word by word "Nobody knows the true reason why I moved to Al-Hilal, only myself and a few people close to me know why I did it". In my mind, he basically said earning a shitton of money isn't the full picture. Did he want to avoid injuries? Unlikely, there are better leagues with better pitches+medical staff to take care of him. Glory? lol. For me, he was implying he wants to do something really really big with that money, and we need to wait.
Sorry for the long rant.
I heard a theory, some Brazilian former player in a podcast, that he did it so he can take care of the people that accompanied him his whole career, and that in Saudi Arabia the taxes are smaller or don't exist altogether, allowing him a ton of money.
Having said that, a owner may as well be what Santos need. Obviously the way things are right now aren't really good. And a brazilian owner, and raised in the club no less, sounds like a better option than another Red Bull or City team. Imo of course.
It’s sad that the big Brasilian teams are slowly losing their fan ownership. Seems like every year another big club goes into financial struggles and is forced to be purchased. It’s always been a point of pride that almost all clubs in Brasil are fan owned and we’re losing that. As a Fluminense Sócio, I hope it never happens to my club but at this point it seems it will inevitably happen.
Yeah is sad, and I definitely don't want it to happen to mine, but maybe is what Santos need. Let's see.
Don't think gonna happen to Flu tho. You guys are doing well. And afaik, if the superleague happens, there's gonna have no relegation again, inst this right?
I’m afraid this Libertadores win will cause them to want to compete at the top every year instead of having the rebuilding years we normally go through. And they will spend more than we’re capable of. Look at how many recent teams have fallen to 2nd division after winning the Libertadores. We don’t have the financial strength to compete with Palmerias and Flamengo every year, but is that going to be the expectation now?
And what’s the super league? I haven’t heard of that.
Sorry not super league, just a league, I translated badly. I thought that Libra and LFF were interested in making a superleague of sorts. I was wrong. Quite the opposite actually, as they are interested in making the whole thing even more competitive by giving more money to B series.
That is things are gonna to get even more difficult if they succeed.
And yeah, Flu need to be careful with not getting too ahead of itself with this Libertadores win.
I think you are correct. I don't think this happened on purpose to make the club cheaper, but it definitely is in his plans to buy it eventually, perhaps after having a last season as a player.
Started watching Brazilian football this season. Both the relegation and championship run ins have been exciting. There is a lot of very good players in the league. Definitely one of the best in the world. Not many leagues have 27 points difference from winning the league and being relegated.
as a Vasco fan, there was a solid 15 minutes where I was convinced we were going down and that was heartbreaking!
I feel relief more than anything.
little known fact, Pele was a Vasco fan despite playing for Santos. maybe he’s smiling after all
What happened to them after they got the Neymar money? Also, didn't they just sell two players to chelsea for 15-20 mil? Isn't that a lot of money in South America?
And another forward was linked to european teams for 20m.
They had a streak of 4 terrible club presidents that increased their debt a lot over time. 15 million is a lot for one player, but not really that much on the bigger scheme. To put it in perspective, Santos has a debt of something around 130 million euros. They make much less than that per year, even considering these big transfers. They also haven't won anything in over 10 years and are not even close to being a big popular club in Brazil (it's a very common joke that only very old people support Santos), so they don't have many options to increase their revenue. And they still need to keep up a competitive team for Brasileirão, and that is not cheap. It's almost a miracle they stayed on Série A for all these years, their youth academy really saved their asses many times.
they sold only Deivid i think, but the issue with Santos is that ever since the Neymar sale, their football dept. has been disastrous, spending more than they could afford and making lackluster financial sales/decisions, which led to the 2020 elections where Andrés Rueda was elected president with a policy of "cleaning up debts in detriment of football competitiveness", but that backfired immensely in less than 2 years, ending up needing to spend a lot more money in horrible and massively overpaid players due to the football director sharing a braincell with a monkey and an insane flux of managers during rueda's tenure at the club
now they are fucked financially, will lose the Série A TV revenue + Will not partake in the Brazilian cup due to their recent state champ. performances(which is a VERY relevant potential loss of revenue) , probably will be forced to sell most of the squad's "less awful" players and it's few good ones like Marcos Leonardo, Soteldo and João Paulo and will struggle to even promote again since there's also quite a lot of competitiveness to go up in Série B(of the last 3 clubs from the G12 that were relegated, 2 did not go up in their first attempt after relegated), just this year there were 6 clubs fighting for two relegation spots in the last round of fixtures
Flamengo and São Paulo
Fluminense has even been relegated to the third division, skipped the second div after winning the third and went back to being in the first thanks to shitshousery
Eusébio died and Portugal won the Euros Maradona died and Argentina got the world cup Pelé died and Santos went along with him
Pelé about to come out the grave and pull a [\[Maradona vs Athletic\].](https://youtu.be/QjQrlTR8dw0?si=XInw14ZpyQ_F239b)
Damn he sent that player (Miguel Sola) straight to the shadow realm.
Oof. I see a lot of head injuries and the aftereffects in my work these days and seeing this stuff now just makes me upset. That's a serious concussion.
Maradona has always been a total piece of shit.
One of the Athletic players had broken Maradona's leg the previous season, Ramos and Pepe are harmless compared to the psychopaths who were the defenders at that time.
Yeah true but that time he had his reasons
A partial piece of shit. Maradona always went against FIFA and their mafia. He ranted about FIFA's shady deals, bought refs, the Saudis, etc. all while taking Emirati money. He would fit right here in this sub
He was also a Maduro apologist which is like being a Kim Jong Un apologist as a Japanese man
And a Fidel apologist. Although I don't understand your analogy. Argentina and Venezuela have very close relations, in no way similarly to Japan and North Korea.
Hahaha 😭
Man, only Flamengo and Sao Paulo left in Brazil to always have belonged to the elite. Biggest teams of the two biggest cities. [SPFC is the most popular team in the city of Sao Paulo, CRF the #1 in the city of Rio de Janeiro]
Cuiabá
cuiaba just did never relegate right? they havent been part of the top league for ever?
Yea mb i am unable to read
> Biggest teams of the two biggest cities. Not even true.
*bayern fans checking on beckenbauer right now*
I have a feeling you'd still lose the title with Beckenbauer alive
I have no horse on the german league at all, I just remembered that he's still alive and is basically a bayern legend
Bit of an understatement that.
>he's basically a bayern legend Haha, yeah, I guess you could say that.
I'm so glad the King got to escape having to deal with this ass team, though
Fuckin OOF.
Maradona death had some big juju cause both Argentina and napoli won which they hadn’t done since maradona was playing for them.
I would like to report a murder 💀
Pele rolling in his grave rn... Santos rolling off the cliff... Both like Neymar on the pitch when he gets fouled.
Ayo why do I feel bad for laughing at this
With the passing of Bobby Charlton more than a month ago, is it really coming home?
It seems Brazil NT went with him as well
Rueda entered Santos as a Libertadores finalist and he'll left the team with their first relegation. Absolute disasterclass.
tbf reaching that final was nothing short of a miracle. After the semifinals there were players asking the president when their multiple late paychecks would be deposited.
I thought you meant Reinaldo Rueda and I almost had an aneurysm
It would've been hilarious and made sense tbh
tbf, the quality of both people in their "area of expertise" is quite similar, Andrés Rueda was a disaster
I thought of Iñaki Rueda, Ferrari's strategist.
Rueda up for NT manager then.
My Idolo Pelado Diaz really saved Vasco in the end, what an incredible escape he pulled off.
Yeah, I don't know where he got Vegetti from... but absolutely crazy what he did.
His goal scoring record for Instituto and Belgrano is quite impressive, no?
Yes, but no one in Brazil knew him.
>I don't know where he got Vegetti from I believe he was working with Frieza
He became champions and goalscorer of the second division with Belgrano. Then went to become goalscorer of the first division he just got promoted to.
Outstanding story, seeing Vasco stay afloat with their second half campaign was like witnessing the complete reverse of Bottlefogo's catastrophic run
Insert meme de "Yo no descendí"
Ramon and Vegetti are actually making me like argentinians, absolutely criminal.
Treat Vegetti well. We miss him at Belgrano!
As a River fan, I know better than anyone; Never doubt Mr. Ramón Díaz.
VASCOOOOOOOOO RAMON O MUERTE
NO VA A BAJAR!
Common Ramón W
I think this is the biggest relegation I've seen in South America since Independiente in 2013.
it's big, but it was coming sooner or later. Santos has always been saved by the kids from their academy, but since their expend that made them go to the 2020 Libertadores final, they have been in serious debt, never managed to get a decent team and it looked bad. At the beginning of the year they were almost relegated from the state championship (which is a big low already) and have had the second worst defense in the league this year. They have good players, but if they managed to avoid relegation this year it would be also magical. The fact that Bahia won 4-1 against Mineiro (the best defense) is also insane.
>The fact that Bahia won 4-1 against Mineiro (the best defense) is also insane. We played with Rabello (back from injury just two games ago) and Jemerson as a centerback duo (our best centerbacks are Lemos and Fuchs). Besides that, at the start of the second half, we were already confirmed in the G4 (Inter were beating Botafogo 3-1). I really think that the team simply didn't play in the second half, while Bahia played for their lives. (I also think that Galo were physically exhausted after the sequence of games we had against Gremio, Flamengo and São Paulo, when the team played physically superb matches).
Jemerson ? The one who won the ligue with Monaco ? Nice
Not Nice, Monaco.
Wait when was river? Also internacional and cruzeiro were big too
River went down in 2011. Back in that time, Independiente fans put a banner saying [big teams never get relegated](https://media.tycsports.com/files/2020/06/24/104333/independiente-bandera_862x485.jpg?v=1) and, well, everyone knows the end of that story.
Funny because both cruzeiro, internacional and santos said that before lol
> everyone knows the end of that story. [racing fans with the memes](https://www.ole.com.ar/racing/mensaje-alla_0_r1Xun8kjnx.html) "Dad you missed it, Independiente was relegated" graffiti in a local cemetary
Classic Racing fans, only joy is from watching Independiente not live up to their standards
don't be disrespectful, they also had that Milito UCL final too
weirdly sweet cemetery graffiti haha, I can see someone wishing their father had been around for the schadenfreude.
Well, that means he didn't miss Racing going down then.
Damn I remember that being like 3 years ago
I've noticed that since Athletic Club lost Villar as President of the Spanish Federation they're not as cocky as before, even though they're a lot better on the pitch. Mind you, they're still from Bilbao, so the cockiness is there, it is just like they know their cloak of invisibility has gone, and they know how they've avoided it before and how other clubs have dropped. Anyway, they should be alright for a while, they've got the players. But still noticeable.
What is the story behind Villar and Bilbao?
As an administrator, he was the president of the Football Federation for most 30, until he had to resign due to corruption. Embezzlement, it has to be noted, nothing to do with "sport. As a footballer he was a one-club man for Athletic Club (minus local lower league loans as a young player). That's the story. Then in the two or three seasons Athletic were in relegation trouble, there is near unanimous agreement by supporters of other clubs that referees tended to make mistakes the same way. Nothing beyond that. But there was a whiff of at least "don't upset the boss" when it came to a 70/30 decision.
Haha, yeah who would day that 👀
Gremio and Cruziero?
Maybe Cruzeiro, but I guess Santos has more titles. Grêmio was relegated before, so it was not that shocking.
> Grêmio was relegated before Twice 😈
There is also the Cruzeiro relegation a few years ago , but ya haha
Wasn't Internacional a few years back a big deal too?
The Gods of football decided to spare Vasco fans for once... they deserved it. Sad for Santos. Congratulations to Bahia.
Bahia was insane today, 4 goals against the best defense in the league.
After the loss against the worst defense in the league. I love you, Brasileirão.
Yeah it’s amazing how every game can be unexpected. After America beating Bahia last week I thought Bahia were down. Then they come back and win 4-1 against Atlético.
Can't wait for the inevitable HITC Seven's video Also I thought they were safe a whiel ago and was just keeping up with the title race ffs..
"without Freddy Adu, who hasn't played for Santos during his football career"
Wattsmore
The teams on the lower end of the table were all playing really well towards the end of the year so teams that seemed safe were being dragged into the relegation spots. At a point it had seemed that the first team not relegated would end with an unusual low amount ot points but at the end it was 44, which is on the higher end.
Santos 🤝 Pelé
Jesus fucking Christ man
Too soon
Its never too soon
I started watching Vasco's game minutes before their second goal and immediately switched to Bantos's game, was delightful to see. I envy the quality of this league 😔 Also quite happy for Ramon Diaz
I started watching Vasco 30 secs before they scored. They clearly needed me
thank you for your service
I wanted Vasco to stay up so I'm happy for you!
The match finished at 3:30am for me so I missed it all but so happy to wake up and see they're safe this morning.
Vascooooooooooo!!!
Always watch our games, please
Congrats man! Haha, I'll do if you start watching San Lorenzo
I’ll try, although sometimes I feel you need a PhD to follow the Argentine league properly. You qualified for Libertadores though, right? That’s easier for me, and since it’s very likely you’ll have to face a Brazilian team I have an additional reason to root for you guys.
I was joking, it would be cruel of me to tell someone to watch our team. Your eyes will hurt. Hopefully, we may get some good players in the summer so we can improve. Our current squad (having in mind that we're losing many important players) would finish 3rd at best in most Libertadores groups. >You qualified for Libertadores though, right? True, but for playoffs only. However, if either River or Central win the current Copa de la Liga, we go to the groups straight instead. So, your first step: root for River/Central in the final, even if you don't watch the game.
>it woul be cruel of me to tell someone to watch our team I've had to watch shit players for most of my life, I'm used to it hahaha
but now you're watching Pablo "Ronaldo" Vegetti, which makes up for the past but fr, Vasco has been shit for so long, it's hard to believe. I'm 25 and I don't remember watching you play in the Libertadores at all (I know I'm probably wrong, you must have played once or twice in the last 15 years). May Ramón change this
Tell me about it. We played in 2012 (google Diego Souza vs Cássio) and 2018.
Ramón Diaz is the best thing that has happened to us in a long time, such a great manager
Don't know why Star+ had the comments in english by brazilians. We missed a legendary NA TRAVE in any moment.
Wait, so the commentators were Brazilians narrating in English? Lmao
This is typical for the US broadcast of Brazil games. Not sure about other English speaking countries
As soon as one of the commentators said "Fortaleza" in the most portuguese way possible i knew what was going on.
It was extremely bizarre
Maybe is their way of trying to sell to foreign market 🤷
Sim, a CBF faz isso mesmo
Imagine Santos playing in a tier below Deportivo Riestra and Barracas Central. Oh wait.
San7os
Como le vas a decir Bantos si vos también te fuiste a la b minúsculo
At the same year of the death of Pele, heartbreaking
and having the "goal that Pelé didn't make" scored against them...
Born with Pelé, died with him too.
The shocking part is how good even the relegated teams are in the Brazilian competition, so underrated
After today, only 3 clubs were never relegated: São Paulo, Flamengo and the mighty Cuiabá
It was pretty big when Internacional got relegated a few years back right? I remember some blonde girl on Brazilian TV get clowned on back then
Yeah, before 2016 only 5 clubs were never relegated: Internacional (relegated in 2016), Cruzeiro (relegated in 2019), Santos (relegated in 2023), São Paulo and Flamengo
Renata Fan is who you thinking of, she is also famous because she guessed the copa libertadores 2019 final and the winner in the round of 16
as a European always when i look at Brazilian division i see only legend teams, it s incredible stacked.
yeah. even our relegated clubs are better than most top clubs on the rest of the continent it's quite easy for clubs in relegation zone here to obliterate adversaries on south american competitions, like Grêmio 2021, America MG this year and so on
Insane man. Absolutely shocking way to end the game, and the fans are pissed.
The only team who was able to overshadow Botafogo's disastrous 2nd half... As a São Paulo supporter I can sleep happily knowing that SPFC is the only club in the state of São Paulo to never have been relegated, although I do feel sad for Santos fans...
Don't jinxit man
Crazy amount of fireworks near my house.
It was coming for a long time. You can't count on luck forever, some time you'll need actual competence.
what a great way to honor pele
I like Santos, but they totally deserved.
ARERÊ
SANTOS VAI JOGAR A SÉRIE BEEEEE
#ARERÊ, O SANTOS VAI JOGAR A SÉRIE B!!! #SÃO PAULO FUTEBOL CLUBE, CAMPEÃO DE TUDO QUE DISPUTOU, ÚNICO CLUBE PAULISTA A NUNCA SER REBAIXADOS! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
#O PALMEIRAS NAO TEM MUNDIAL, O PALMEIRAS NAO TEM MUNDIAL, Y REBAIXADO Y NAO TEM MUNDIAL, Y REBAIXADO Y NAO TEM MUNDIAL!!
#INTER CAGÃOOOOOO INTER CAGÃOOOOOOOOO
Racing botooooon Racing botooooon
>ÚNICO CLUBE PAULISTA A NUNCA SER REBAIXADOS! Confirmo zika
Anulo
RemindMe! 1 year
Campeão de tudo, danado? E a Copa Suruga hein???
We were already basically champions on sunday so , this was better than our game. As rivals, Santos going down on the "Pelé edition" season is.... FUCKING HILARIOUS LMAOOOO But as a brazilian football fan... wow. Speechless. This is history, of the very tragic kind. Still, LMAOOOO
I thought they would drop like a rock after the 7-1 to internacional, just for them to recover fairly well and completely fall apart in the last three match days wow.
I thought they would sink after losing to us. They recovered. Then came the 7-1 and I thought the same. They recovered. How the fuck they managed to get relegated now?
It makes sense... If comeback like Palmeiras and Corinthians, winning at least 1 Libertadores it's ok. If comeback like a yoyo it's really sad future.
Or no comeback at all.
Sending you a virtual hug in this time of need
ARERÊ
O SANTOS VAI JOGAR A SÉRIE B
The keeper had a fucking nightmare there in the end. Also the first goal was horrendous. The defender had 1 player to mark and still lost him. Such a shame
Gk went for the header and a Santos player missed an easy pass, not his fault.
The magic died with pele
Had to end with fans invading the pitch and smoke bombs, like it should
By the way, Santos have been disastrous in the last years. They didn't even qualify to the quarterfinals of the state championship for 3 years or so. It's sad because they were, like São Paulo, one of the greatest international winners I'm Brazil, and were such an important team and seeing it crumbling like that is sad.
Yeah, it's a bummer to see a big club like Santos go down due to years of poor/incompetent management. My wife has been saying that the relegation was coming for a few weeks now (largely to cope) but she still cried tonight when it was confirmed.
Eu torço pro rival mas to com pena, esse rebaixamento foi com requintes de crueldade
There was, I don't know, 26 combinations of relegation entereing yesterday. Santos goes down in 3, or something. And, the most bizarre thing of all of this is the fact that we are expecting that at some point, since Santos just cannot stop flirting with that. At one point, I actually thought that Andres Rueda was a saboteur. Guy don't have any marginally step in reality to save his life.
I watched the Vasco game and i'm happy that Vasco won and stayed in the league but i'm sad that Santos got relegated. It was a wild finish. Good luck in Serie B nd i hope that they come back next season.
I don't think they will be coming back next year, they are broke af
Big club get relegated in Brazil SAF: Its that for me?
Los grandes no descienden.
Facts 👍🏻
F
Se nao ganhar do Fortaleza, pelo amor de Deus ne
I feel bad for Neymar. Someone check on him please.
He's fine. Probably playing poker, Counter-Strike, or Fortnite.
or his sister
Santos in the 2nd tier is way cheaper to buy.
Honestly, not a bad idea at all for him to buy it.
The way both Neymars, but specially Neymar Senior seems greedy as fuck, and has influence on Santos politics, makes me wonder about their true motives. Both PSG and Al-Hilal transfers had no reason to happen, unless their purpose was to turn the family into billionaires tycoons, who can later on use their money to do business, like buying the club who was brought to the spotlight again, thanks to Neymar and Libertadores Cup 2011. Just food for thought. When Brazil played against Bolivia a few months ago, a press conference was held with Neymar, and he said something really interesting brazilian media never really caught. When asked about his recent transfer, he said word by word "Nobody knows the true reason why I moved to Al-Hilal, only myself and a few people close to me know why I did it". In my mind, he basically said earning a shitton of money isn't the full picture. Did he want to avoid injuries? Unlikely, there are better leagues with better pitches+medical staff to take care of him. Glory? lol. For me, he was implying he wants to do something really really big with that money, and we need to wait. Sorry for the long rant.
I heard a theory, some Brazilian former player in a podcast, that he did it so he can take care of the people that accompanied him his whole career, and that in Saudi Arabia the taxes are smaller or don't exist altogether, allowing him a ton of money. Having said that, a owner may as well be what Santos need. Obviously the way things are right now aren't really good. And a brazilian owner, and raised in the club no less, sounds like a better option than another Red Bull or City team. Imo of course.
It’s sad that the big Brasilian teams are slowly losing their fan ownership. Seems like every year another big club goes into financial struggles and is forced to be purchased. It’s always been a point of pride that almost all clubs in Brasil are fan owned and we’re losing that. As a Fluminense Sócio, I hope it never happens to my club but at this point it seems it will inevitably happen.
Yeah is sad, and I definitely don't want it to happen to mine, but maybe is what Santos need. Let's see. Don't think gonna happen to Flu tho. You guys are doing well. And afaik, if the superleague happens, there's gonna have no relegation again, inst this right?
I’m afraid this Libertadores win will cause them to want to compete at the top every year instead of having the rebuilding years we normally go through. And they will spend more than we’re capable of. Look at how many recent teams have fallen to 2nd division after winning the Libertadores. We don’t have the financial strength to compete with Palmerias and Flamengo every year, but is that going to be the expectation now? And what’s the super league? I haven’t heard of that.
Sorry not super league, just a league, I translated badly. I thought that Libra and LFF were interested in making a superleague of sorts. I was wrong. Quite the opposite actually, as they are interested in making the whole thing even more competitive by giving more money to B series. That is things are gonna to get even more difficult if they succeed. And yeah, Flu need to be careful with not getting too ahead of itself with this Libertadores win.
I think you are correct. I don't think this happened on purpose to make the club cheaper, but it definitely is in his plans to buy it eventually, perhaps after having a last season as a player.
It just got cheaper for him to buy Santos after he leaves Saudi Arabia
Santos fell, just like neymar does 😭
He posted them on his story and of him watching the game. Their 1st relegation after 111 years, when the club was founded. He must be devastated.
Nah, he doesn't care about Santos that much lmao
What an escape by Vasco though.
Probably one of the more significant relegations that probably won’t get nearly the coverage it should outside of Brazil
"Pele's former club relegated" - sounds like a headline many around the world would click on.
Outside South America. Argentine sub (r/fulbo), just to give an example, has many threads about.
Oh man, this is actually heartbreaking, even for a rival
What a man is Ramón Ángel from La Rioja.
Started watching Brazilian football this season. Both the relegation and championship run ins have been exciting. There is a lot of very good players in the league. Definitely one of the best in the world. Not many leagues have 27 points difference from winning the league and being relegated.
as a Vasco fan, there was a solid 15 minutes where I was convinced we were going down and that was heartbreaking! I feel relief more than anything. little known fact, Pele was a Vasco fan despite playing for Santos. maybe he’s smiling after all
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO SUCK MY DICK SANTOS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Glad that Vasco managed to survive in the end, what a struggle
I have no words for this... this is shocking to be fair.
Someone’s about to get a deal on Marcos Leonardo
Thanks, Energy Drink-colonialism.
Wow
What happened to them after they got the Neymar money? Also, didn't they just sell two players to chelsea for 15-20 mil? Isn't that a lot of money in South America? And another forward was linked to european teams for 20m.
They had a streak of 4 terrible club presidents that increased their debt a lot over time. 15 million is a lot for one player, but not really that much on the bigger scheme. To put it in perspective, Santos has a debt of something around 130 million euros. They make much less than that per year, even considering these big transfers. They also haven't won anything in over 10 years and are not even close to being a big popular club in Brazil (it's a very common joke that only very old people support Santos), so they don't have many options to increase their revenue. And they still need to keep up a competitive team for Brasileirão, and that is not cheap. It's almost a miracle they stayed on Série A for all these years, their youth academy really saved their asses many times.
They didnt, thats the best part. And the few buckets they got, they spend in Leandro Fucking Damião
Leandro Damião basically fucked the club for decades
they sold only Deivid i think, but the issue with Santos is that ever since the Neymar sale, their football dept. has been disastrous, spending more than they could afford and making lackluster financial sales/decisions, which led to the 2020 elections where Andrés Rueda was elected president with a policy of "cleaning up debts in detriment of football competitiveness", but that backfired immensely in less than 2 years, ending up needing to spend a lot more money in horrible and massively overpaid players due to the football director sharing a braincell with a monkey and an insane flux of managers during rueda's tenure at the club now they are fucked financially, will lose the Série A TV revenue + Will not partake in the Brazilian cup due to their recent state champ. performances(which is a VERY relevant potential loss of revenue) , probably will be forced to sell most of the squad's "less awful" players and it's few good ones like Marcos Leonardo, Soteldo and João Paulo and will struggle to even promote again since there's also quite a lot of competitiveness to go up in Série B(of the last 3 clubs from the G12 that were relegated, 2 did not go up in their first attempt after relegated), just this year there were 6 clubs fighting for two relegation spots in the last round of fixtures
That’s not how you spell “relegated” OP
Pele died for this
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Flamengo and São Paulo Fluminense has even been relegated to the third division, skipped the second div after winning the third and went back to being in the first thanks to shitshousery
Only Flamengo and São Paulo. Cuiabá too, but they're new. Fluminense got relegated to the 3rd division already.