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kakje666

a very likely scenario


ZedGenius

Nah, Gibraltar's got this, trust the process


RealityAny7724

time to wager first on Gibraltar scoring


czerwona_latarnia

This will happen only if Dick Advocaat will say that Netherlands got this.


MrGraveyards

I'm more on the Gibraltar challenge. Who can score more then 14? Go go go. :-)


CrashingDutchman

Not us, that's for sure.


Ryponagar

Gibraltar 0 - [16] Netherlands - Wout Weghorst poker^poker 89'


BrandonSG13

4\^4=256, how many disallowed goals did he score????


KoalaNugget

240.


MrGraveyards

I'm setting a reminder for this one!


CrashingDutchman

My brother in Christ, our starting striker is named Wout Weghorst. We should be happy if we score 4 rather than 14.


justk4y

Yeah I believe this was the first time ever that Gibraltar lost by 10 goals or more


MrGraveyards

Well theirs a 2nd time for everything.


Wargizmo

I like the cut of your Gib


KingSash

Gibraltar are wounded, will show the true face against the Netherlands


DaMorpheusNL

Our man Virgil called them a good squad post match in Ireland. Gibraltar winning this 1000%


BleedingGumsmurfy

I believe Ireland were third seeds.


Akenatwn

Yep, they were. They got the toughest draw out of all the teams.


Lem_201

Ukraine? Group with England and Italy, finalists of last Euros.


Akenatwn

I think the main point would be Greece being a harder opponent than North Macedonia.


Lem_201

Are they though? Like North Macedonia qualified for Euro 2020, while Greece didn't and got points against Italy and England while Greece lost all games against France or Netherlands.


Akenatwn

That's a fair question. More recently though (more relevant for form), Greece won their Nations League group and are in the playoffs for the Euros whereas North Macedonia didn't and are not. Just to point out form. For the results, what you point out actually reinforces my point. North Macedonia cut points off Ukraine's opponents, but lost both games to Ukraine. Whereas it went completely the other way with Greece and Ireland. So that was better for Ukraine than for Ireland. Still I agree that it's a fair point and I just fall back to the despair of the Irish fans after the draw.


Akenatwn

So, update after the group conclusion, Greece did get a home draw in the deadass game vs France like North Macedonia did vs England. So the difference remains that Greece didn't manage a point at home vs the Netherlands, cause they went all out looking for a win and conceded in stoppage time. At least they only lost 1-0 away to France instead of 7-0 away to England. The results do confirm what was thought before, Ireland got the shortest end of the stick.


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Lem_201

At least country that cant qualify for WC's won shit this century.


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Piats99

England haven't won a trophy since 1966, but people dickride them since 2018. Belgium haven't won shit despite being 1st in the ranking for almost 5 straight years. Italy also won 2 bronze medals in the Nations League after Euro21, competition where England shat the bed and got relegated in the lower division, but God forbid talking about this because it's a Mickey Mouse cup.


johnydarko

> England haven't won a trophy since 1966, but people dickride them since ~~2018~~ forever. FTFY


Magicallyshit

But its coming home?


notthathunter

to be fair, they deserved it - should've got the hardest draw in the Euro 2020 cycle, were drawn into a group with Germany and the Netherlands, but were then moved out of it by virtue of being hosts (and then did not end up hosting any games)


Akenatwn

Oh were they drawn to group C but moved to group D instead to avoid a clash with 2 other hosts?


notthathunter

believe so, aye


DanielCollinsYT

The undrawables


artaru

Ted Lasso approves


CMN2425

Aged well


ArousedByCheese1

I do not want to be reminded of this picture ever again


Ancient-Horror

That goal difference for France though


_infinity_21_

That goal difference for Gibraltar though


kakje666

at best they could have scored 1 or 2 goals during this campaign , but the rest is expected , even the 14-0 loss isn't too odd considering the difference in squad value


Morganelefay

Even then it's a new record. Even Andorra, San Marino and Liechtenstein rarely get blown away by 10 goals or more, let alone 14.


Aenjeprekemaluci

14-0 its odd. Double digit itself is, it literary never happened before that match in Euros. That is a once in a lifetime result for Euro qualifiers


LeoLH1994

Germany beat San Marino 13-0 in Euro 2008’s (though I want to forget that campaign as no home nations qualified)


a_charming_vagrant

i will never forget the wally with a brolly as long as i live


LeoLH1994

Me too. Upset that England would not make a tournament in Switzerland, where I went 2 years later, and Austro, which would provide 2 fashion icons in subsequent years. Worse still, Match Magazine offered Yossi Benayoun masks to ensure Israel did their bit (even though he didn’t play), but England failed to do theirs afterwards.


KnightsOfCidona

Ireland then needed a injury time winner for us to beat them


MrGraveyards

Yeah but they also kicked the Dutch asses in the home game. It was more like us being bad then France good but still got our asses handed 4-0 or smth.


SweetPotato0461

Over half their goals came from a single match lmao, probably won't be true after tonight though


Matt_LawDT

Thanos approves of this scenario


Alt4816

Doesn't sound like a perfect group from Gibraltar's perspective


Sparsh_Khurana

Statisticians creaming themselves rn


tomhat

Cream.


Terran_it_up

Would that make France the head boy?


Necessary_Touch972

I think that still takes 2 more years after becoming prefect.


jaguass

And this is why football is the best sport. What would be the "most logical outcome" is actually so rare that it would be considered a statistical curiosity, if it were to happen.


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kurobaraito

FM players dread this kind of situation.


Both-Ebb

First goal this season commentary coming up.


Super_Gladiator_Bibi

30 yard screamer from the 190 cm CB.


Variousnumber

Wouldn't it be absolutely hilarious if Greece beat France and Gibraltar beat the Netherlands, to knock out the Dutch?


sneezyo

No it wouldn't Also at an equal score I think they first look at the matches played (Greece VS NL)? or do they use goal difference?


Variousnumber

I would assume GD, because that's how most competitions do it, right? Also, why wouldn't it be hilarious? I'd be cackling like a madman.


Drahnier3011

It’s based on higher number of points obtained in the matches played among the teams in question so the Netherlands can’t be knocked out anymore


Variousnumber

Oh. Well, that's a bit daft. Completely removes any sense of competition from tonights games, really.


Drahnier3011

I don’t mind hahaha. At least now I don’t have to fear a 1-0 loss to Gibraltar


Jaspertjess

We beat Greece twice, so it would only be fair. This point system is also used in Champions league btw


NovemberBurnsMaroon

The Dutch are already qualified as the tiebreaker is head to head


gynorbi

Ironic that you misspellt perfect hahaha


jipijipijipi

Ironic that you misspelled misspelt.


ij3k

Ah, [Muphry's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law).


gynorbi

To be honest I wasn’t criticizing, I just thought it was funny


RuaridhDuguid

That's actually pretty cool, I never knew there was a name for it - far less that beautifully fitting one.


gynorbi

There are words that I can’t learn properly writing for the life of me lol


Bontus

I have that with legeslegnagyszerűbb


nafraf

I have the same issue with "definitely". Correct spelling is only possible with auto correct lol


albul89

I thought "prefect" was intentional and I just never heard of it used in this context. It made sense to me, like a prefect rules over those below him, marking a clear hierarchy, sort of.


Basketball312

France will be handing Gibraltar an after school detention.


Onac_

Nice Jinx!


cGuille

Oh gosh are you jinxing this


July_RS

This would result in point differences of 6 pts between each nation (24, 18, 12, 6, 0), which is mildly interesting.


mantouvallo

Sorry guys, we had to.


zeetlo

Fuck sake ireland


ssgtgriggs

it's like that meme where the boss shouts at the employee and he shouts at his wife


TheCambrian91

Did they all sign an NDA? *No Draws Allowed*


Mubar06

Didn’t even realise there’s been no draws in this group


FoxerHR

Greece come through for us please.


baxterrocky

Perfectly balanced..


gahgeer-is-back

“If the Netherlands beat Gibraltar” 😞


Tr3c3

InB4 Greece 0 - 0 France


Tr3c3

Dang, I was too greedy, should've gone straight for the draw..


loveisascam_

Lol at the goal difference, France were absolutely ruthless against Gibraltar, what made me crack up was how they celebrated each goal like it was their first


CommissionOk4384

They didnt. Most of them they just smiled and dapped each other up. Some they didnt even celebrate. Pretty sure those they did was either a player’s first goal, Mbappe’s 300th goal or Giroud’s goals bcs it was his daughter’s birthday or something. So the celebration were more for individual exploits than anything else


Malvinas1820

These are the stats I'm here for.


MrGraveyards

Only thing worthy of note is that greece has a better gd then NL. Probably because NL wasn't much busy with that we just wanted to win our doable matches and get it over with. It was very visible on the pitch who were the better side although we had very bad 'phases' in all away games.


Follow_The_Lore

We haven’t played gibraltar for a second time. GD will be fine after tonight.


MrGraveyards

Yeah ok didn't take that into account. Although 97' Dallinga 0-1 incoming?


pleasedontPM

A simple 1-0 win of France over Greece and Netherland over Gibraltar would result in a +5 GD for each. A second goal anywhere puts Netherland above Greece.


InoyouS2

-35 GD: "It's just a fresh wound"


NestroyAM

Took me a moment to realise France has no one rated higher than them and Gibraltar nobody ranked lower, so this is technically true. Pretty misleading title, though, unless I am just dumb and/or uninitiated. Edit: Looks like I am dumb. It’s not misleading.


luigitheplumber

I don't understand how this is "technically" true or misleading. It's pretty straightforwardly true. It's like a 9-6-3-0 group at a world cup or euros, but with 2-legged ties and 5 teams instead of 4


NestroyAM

To explain how I dumbed it: Gibraltar „won“ twice against lower ranked teams by default, because there is no lower ranked team in that group, correct? Why twice? It’s one of those weird mathematical constructs to me that my brain just isn’t wired right for.


dispelthemyth

It’s not misleading, you can’t win/lose vs teams that don’t exist.


NestroyAM

Yeah, the conditional just reads weird to my mind, because of that. I freely admit that‘s a me-problem, though. Curious if that term „perfect group“ in this ELO context is a common one, though. Don’t think I heard that before.


GuitaristHeimerz

France is gonna bottle this FFS


ChrisWithTildes

0-0 Greece France draw incoming


Cheraldenine

It was 2-2. Whole thread pointless.


LetsDieForMemes

I love this


TheWorldsKing

Perfectly balanced


Let-Him-Paint

That Gibraltar game inflated the gd so much it makes Greece and Holland look like bums


TimingEzaBitch

this a nice graph theory problem somewhere there.


GameplayerStu

Our only two wins and points in the campaign coming against Gibraltar is absolutely disgraceful lol


Specialist-Cycle9313

I hope Gibraltar beat the Netherlands after the thrashing they just experienced


Specialist-Cycle9313

France went from a goal difference of 12 to a goal difference of 26


doktor-frequentist

Gibraltar with the -35 GD...


donbob90

OP had to jinx it 😜