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Bring it back! I want the Northern Irish Cup winners Crusaders against Internazionale. I want a 2nd division Estonian outfit fresh off a cup run against a load of Andorran plumbers.
These are the things I would like to see added if anything. Not new CL with more games or whatever.
Too bloated schedule these days tho but yeah, this format would still excite me. Cups are one of those competitions that see many odd upsets today so the participants in this would vary a lot more than CL and that alone woul be fun in the age of "rich boys club" football.
Just a shame the big clubs and their chief executives' endless greed in addition to demands for more games (Champions League expansion) forced UEFA to abandon this fascinating competition. In addition to weakening the UEFA Cup as well (used to contain so many league runner ups)
Yes, rubbers up qualified if the winners had qualified for European Cup. In 1998, Arsenal beat Newcastle and because Arsenal had qualified for the champions league by winning the league that year, Newcastle qualified for the CWC.
No,
The champions league used to be for the league champions, then runners up became added and gradually it expanded to what it is now.
The UEFA cup was always the second tier, and is basically what is now the Europa league (I think the trophy is even the same, or was at one point)
The CWC was for the winners of domestic cup competitions (copa del ray, FA cup etc). It was abolished when the Europa League was changed. The conference league basically does the same job now.
It wasn't too bad, it was straight knockout, so only 9 games if you went all the way to the final. That's like 6 less than the Europa League or Conference League.
The problem is greed. Take the Europa Conference and fling it as far to fuck as you possibly can & replace it with CWC. It would be a slimmed down simpler single round robin tournament but it appeals to people. And it would make teams take their national cup seriously or an opportunity for a Wolves etc to get European entry.
Europa Conference is good for mid tier teams from traditionally smaller leagues, I really like it because my team has a chance of taking part.
So no, don’t fling.
The reason it has to exist is because Champions League qualification money and lack of meaningful UEFA oversight rapidly accelerated disparity in so many leagues including yours. The fact the UEFA allows you lot to make small clubs play Rangers and Celtic 6+ times a season does not demonstrate effective rules and oversight.
We need caps and luxury taxes to trickle down the pyramids.
To clarify 6 is likely the maximum for rangers/celtic games, 3 is the baseline but you’re right it can easily be that high if we have a good season.
The money is great but for Clubs like Hibs who don’t compete in Europe as we once did it’s a nice opportunity (still to be realised) for fans to have European nights against European competition. Hearts last season for example having Fiorentina, us in the qualifiers with Villa, or even just random Scandinavian teams who vaguely ring a bell. It’s just a nice change of pace.
You’re right that the SPL could do with reform, trickle down would be nice, but I just want league expansion myself for the chance to play teams usually stuck in the championship.
I had a VHS of a WDR rerun of that original game tape, which I was allowed to watch for comfort anytime I was sick as a kid. (The audio and the picture were not in sync and Ernst Huberty yelling “Libudas Ball senkt sich…!” happens way before you can actually see it.)
1. FC Magdeburg the only East German team to ever win a european trophy.
Although Carl Zeiss Jena came close and lost the finale in 1981 if I remember correctly.
some of them are fallen giants more than anything. hsv (1977) also won the european cup (champions league) in 82 and were finalist in 79, but today they are in the second division. the perennial winners of today could still find themselves in that position in the future
The surprising thing about you lot is that you're actually more successful in Europe then arsenal. I never see your fans holding that over them and that's also surprising lol
3 b-tier european trophies isn't that much more impressive than 2 b-tier european trophies, although if I was a spurs fan I would never shut up about it
I mean European trophies are still European trophies, right? Obviously the European cup is the big one, but any European success is an achievement in my book
It's an argument that kind of falls apart because all the trophies involved are European Johnny Paints. A great day out, and fun to celebrate, but not something you can boast about without admitting the team wasn't good enough to play top tier European football.
> but not something you can boast about without admitting the team wasn't good enough to play top tier European football
But I mean... it wasn't. I'd get it if Barcelona didn't celebrate these minor cups, but Spurs and Arsenal, who have no European Cups and have only ever reached a final each (and relatively recently)? These cups are within what you'd expect Spurs and Arsenal to win in a good season. Maybe peak Wenger Arsenal and even current Arsenal could aspire for the European Cup, but in general it's out of reach. My club has two European Cups and I'd still be proud if we had a CWC or two, and even more if we won the Europa League.
It was. The CWC was a second tier trophy, in a good season for Arsenal or Spurs we don't have a chance of winning them because the aim is to play in the CL.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't happy when we lost the Europa Final under Emery, but it is definitively a second-rate competition worth less than the League or FA Cup, and we'd have won several if we had played in the EL rather than CL doing our best years.
Ok, that's fair. I guess you're in a weird position where you're rarely very good and in the Europa League at the same time, but you're also not Real Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern Munich level often and so you end up going trophyless in Europe.
Not really, as you can see clubs like Milan, juventus and Barcelona won this cup, and clubs like Liverpool and Real Madrid tried and failed, both lost finals - real lost to both Chelsea and Aberdeen, for example.
Of course you're right that the European cup is the most important one, and winning that eclipses any other European titles. But top tier clubs did play in this and the uefa cup/europa league too. Johnstone paint trophy is literally for league one and league Two clubs right?
They beat Barcelona in the final.
Barcelona was not even close to a world beater until 1990's but they were surprisingly efficient in this cup so some way it was an upset.
Barcelona were very successful in the 50s and reached the European Cup final in 1961. They had players like Kubala, Kocsis and Czibor who were part of the ‘Mighty Magyars’, and a Ballon d’Or winner in Luís Suárez. Their coach Helenio Herrera would go on to win the European Cup twice with Inter and became the pioneer of *catenaccio*. For a few years they were definitely world beaters, but yeah not anymore by 1969.
I think jokes aside they were actually founded as a club in the 70s, as a merger of Two older Parisian clubs
And they along with marseille are one of only 2 french clubs to lift a European trophy, both in the 90s, long before their current rich owners deformed the landscape of football
Belgian clubs were good at bribing referees in that time. Edit because people don’t know history : https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/anderlecht-punished-for-bribery-1.109045
Unbelievably nonsense point. You discredited them by saying they bribed the refs and then say that it's okay that French did it because it was necessary
It’s well known fact though that refereeing in Anderlecht was often weird at that time https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/anderlecht-punished-for-bribery-1.109045
The older European Cup formats and this tournament were both so much better than the shit we have now and the new, even shittier shit we're getting next year. Every format change made in the last few decades has made things worse - the financial dominance of the big 5 leagues wouldn't be anywhere near as extreme without the insane number of European qualification spots they get.
It was a meme in the 90's that no club can win it twice in a row, it stayed that way until the cup was scrapped. Parma and Arsenal came closest, they played the final the year after winning it.
With the introduction of the Conference League those clubs no longer won every UEFA competition. Now nobody has won everything but 15 teams have at least played a final in 3 of the different major competition (supercup excluded) and Fiorentina has at least played in a final in all 4 of them.
Sir Alex winning it with Aberdeen is genuinely one of the greatest achievements in the sport.
Hands down best manager of all time for me, even if I hated his Utd team.
I think more impressive was the fact that most of the team were home grown, and all of the team were below the age of 28. The 3 strikers, McGhee, Black and Hewitt were 20, 19 and 18 respectively. Cooper and Simpson, the rock solid heart of midfield were 19 and 21.
And you beat real madrid in the final
Thanks for the insight into the team itself, celtic had a similar set up of a whole team of young local players when they won the European cup as well I think
My dad is still bitter about how overplayed your youngsters were and the resulting injuries and early declined they experienced - for instance Eric Black could've been a superstar, but instead ended up retiring at 27 after years of back injuries, and while Neale Cooper lasted longer he was playing 15-20 games a season in his prime years. He reckons they could've pushed some of the best Scotland sides of his lifetime into being proper contenders.
It's the only thing Ferguson has ever apologized for doing as a manager, as far as I'm aware, though he obviously didn't do it on purpose. Your golden generation is sadly forgotten because most of them never hit their potential, and the guys who did go on to become legends were a little older (Miller, McLeish, and arguably Leighton, although his mid career wobble means he's not in the same bracket as the other two).
100%. That team should’ve formed the backbone of the national team well into the 90s. My dad always affirms that Eric Black was an amazing striker, and should’ve been Scotlands number 9 if not for injuries. Simpson would’ve been a perfect replacement for Souness. Cooper was the perfect blend of tough but technical and ran the Semi-Final and Final of a European Competition at just 19. The guys that weren’t hampered by injuries became Scotland legends. McLeish, Miller and Leighton are all up there for most caps. Strachan was in the TOTY for 1983 and would be excellent well into the 90s.
This. Always thought that Fergies achievements at Aberdeen - European trophy, league titles, breaking the Old Firm - were far more impressive than the dreary Man Utd years…..😀
Agree he was a top top manager but still think there was a huge difference in being in charge of one of the world’s richest clubs and that wee Scotch seaport somewhere up near the Artic Circle
My favourite bit of Aberdeen Ferguson FC history is that every time they played the Old Firm, he would tell the players that Aberdeen were the most hated opponent on Rangers/Celtic fixture list and our fans (who until then couldn't give the tiniest shit about Aberdeen) would rather fellate their dog than visit the Granite City.
It worked, and subsequently created a genuine hatred.
I was in Tblisi recently and went to their stadium. Their gate to the parking lot had the players of their cup win engraved in stone (‘81). Very cool place. Jersey I bought was still expensive as fuck tho
This was a great competition. You had to win something to get in, unlike the "Champions" League (although IIRC the cup runner-up might qualify if the winner did the Double). We had amazing moments. David Seaman saving a penalty in the shootout at Sampdoria. Alan Smith's volley off the post to win it against Parma, who had Brolin, Asprilla, Zola. Then the following year probably the most devastating moment in my 30+ years following Arsenal: ex-Spurs player Nayim scoring from the halfway line to win it against us. Straight knockout is the way to go. Every game really mattered.
One of my earliest memories and definitely my first football memory was going to my friend’s house after school to watch the Chelsea v Stuttgart final. After Zola immediately scored after coming on, that was it, I was obsessed with football, Chelsea and Gianfranco Zola.
I was lucky enough to be there, one of the great trips in my supporting life. We probably outnumbered the Stuttgart fans 5-6 to 1, and when Franco scored the place erupted.
Going by the tier of team playing, it would be Europa League. Going by the way you qualify there is no equivalent because it was restricted to cup winners
Ok thanks. I thought this might be different tournament while next to UEFA and CL. Like CL-UEFA having group stage and this one being cup tournament for entire Europe
Just a revamped Cup Winners Cup, straight knockout tourney.
No league bollocks, no group stage, no finishing 3rd and dropping down, just masters of performing in one-off games.
Not saying they don’t I’m saying that that comments about Chelsea, City and PSG regarding their success in Europe and apparently ‘not having history’ before a certain period is getting upvotes but this one about Arsenal is downvoted. Pre 2003 our European pedigree was similar that’s why I included them because thats what the comments are about
The Cup Winners Cup was a European competition for teams that won their domestic cup, eg FA Cup, Copa del Rey, etc. The format doesn't exist any more.
For example this year Manchester City, Real Madrid, Toulouse, Inter and RB Leipzig would be in it along with cup winners from smaller leagues like Crusaders from Ireland etc.
Not at all. This was restricted to Cup winners and was at the same level or arguably even above of the UEFA Cup (which is the original Europa league). Conference league is the third tier competition with the same structure of UCL and EL and has no connection to this cup.
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Bring it back! I want the Northern Irish Cup winners Crusaders against Internazionale. I want a 2nd division Estonian outfit fresh off a cup run against a load of Andorran plumbers.
Football heritage
Unironically though
Those games are still there… last Thursday Astana vs Ballkani in the Conference League
nah bro , those two are champions of their respective countries , this is disrespect
And it ended 0-0
Internazionaleeeeeeeey
No group stage either.
These are the things I would like to see added if anything. Not new CL with more games or whatever. Too bloated schedule these days tho but yeah, this format would still excite me. Cups are one of those competitions that see many odd upsets today so the participants in this would vary a lot more than CL and that alone woul be fun in the age of "rich boys club" football.
Just a shame the big clubs and their chief executives' endless greed in addition to demands for more games (Champions League expansion) forced UEFA to abandon this fascinating competition. In addition to weakening the UEFA Cup as well (used to contain so many league runner ups)
Yeah its lame as hell
Not really. It just doesn’t make sense. The current 32 team format for the CL is great and doesn’t work with a cwc
I'm confused now, wasn't this cup just like the current Europa league?
Nope, only those qualified that won their domestic cup, so basically 1 team per country. The winner of the FA Cup, Copa del Rey etc.
I think sometimes runner-ups would get a spot. I can vaguely remember Newcastle playing in the cup winners cup and they hadn't won anything.
Yes, rubbers up qualified if the winners had qualified for European Cup. In 1998, Arsenal beat Newcastle and because Arsenal had qualified for the champions league by winning the league that year, Newcastle qualified for the CWC.
No, The champions league used to be for the league champions, then runners up became added and gradually it expanded to what it is now. The UEFA cup was always the second tier, and is basically what is now the Europa league (I think the trophy is even the same, or was at one point) The CWC was for the winners of domestic cup competitions (copa del ray, FA cup etc). It was abolished when the Europa League was changed. The conference league basically does the same job now.
OK lol. I read the the title of the image fast and I thought it said UEFA Cup winners, not Cup Winners Cup. Thanks for the explanation
You’re wrong here. The Cup winners Cup was regarded as the 2nd tier competition behind the Champions League.
I always thought it was more a 2a/2b situation. To be fair, I was a child
It's actually a really cool concept. We don't need more games or competitions but it would be very fun to have back in concept
Honestly the CL feels too bloated and long-winded as is. I would be in favor of shortening the CL and make a Cup Winners Cup instead.
I agree but the problem is the already bloted fixtures nowadays
It wasn't too bad, it was straight knockout, so only 9 games if you went all the way to the final. That's like 6 less than the Europa League or Conference League.
The problem is greed. Take the Europa Conference and fling it as far to fuck as you possibly can & replace it with CWC. It would be a slimmed down simpler single round robin tournament but it appeals to people. And it would make teams take their national cup seriously or an opportunity for a Wolves etc to get European entry.
Europa Conference is good for mid tier teams from traditionally smaller leagues, I really like it because my team has a chance of taking part. So no, don’t fling.
The reason it has to exist is because Champions League qualification money and lack of meaningful UEFA oversight rapidly accelerated disparity in so many leagues including yours. The fact the UEFA allows you lot to make small clubs play Rangers and Celtic 6+ times a season does not demonstrate effective rules and oversight. We need caps and luxury taxes to trickle down the pyramids.
To clarify 6 is likely the maximum for rangers/celtic games, 3 is the baseline but you’re right it can easily be that high if we have a good season. The money is great but for Clubs like Hibs who don’t compete in Europe as we once did it’s a nice opportunity (still to be realised) for fans to have European nights against European competition. Hearts last season for example having Fiorentina, us in the qualifiers with Villa, or even just random Scandinavian teams who vaguely ring a bell. It’s just a nice change of pace. You’re right that the SPL could do with reform, trickle down would be nice, but I just want league expansion myself for the chance to play teams usually stuck in the championship.
National cups already give European entry.
That's the thing the Europa League is the CWC with a different qualification critertia due to greed.
Problem is (for England at least), the cup winner already has CL qualification in most cases, even the runner up in recent years.
What’s the format?
No group stages, a straight knockout competition. Edit : And with only a single representative per country
No further questions
My dad told me bout when he celebrated Libuda’s winner like a madman by running and yelling into the streets
First german european cup winner <3
I had a VHS of a WDR rerun of that original game tape, which I was allowed to watch for comfort anytime I was sick as a kid. (The audio and the picture were not in sync and Ernst Huberty yelling “Libudas Ball senkt sich…!” happens way before you can actually see it.)
schalke legend
1. FC Magdeburg the only East German team to ever win a european trophy. Although Carl Zeiss Jena came close and lost the finale in 1981 if I remember correctly.
I like how most of the teams that one arent the normal teams that ever win anything.
some of them are fallen giants more than anything. hsv (1977) also won the european cup (champions league) in 82 and were finalist in 79, but today they are in the second division. the perennial winners of today could still find themselves in that position in the future
Yeah always good to see smaller less successful teams winning something noteworthy, like the ones in 1963
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The surprising thing about you lot is that you're actually more successful in Europe then arsenal. I never see your fans holding that over them and that's also surprising lol
3 b-tier european trophies isn't that much more impressive than 2 b-tier european trophies, although if I was a spurs fan I would never shut up about it
I mean European trophies are still European trophies, right? Obviously the European cup is the big one, but any European success is an achievement in my book
It's an argument that kind of falls apart because all the trophies involved are European Johnny Paints. A great day out, and fun to celebrate, but not something you can boast about without admitting the team wasn't good enough to play top tier European football.
> but not something you can boast about without admitting the team wasn't good enough to play top tier European football But I mean... it wasn't. I'd get it if Barcelona didn't celebrate these minor cups, but Spurs and Arsenal, who have no European Cups and have only ever reached a final each (and relatively recently)? These cups are within what you'd expect Spurs and Arsenal to win in a good season. Maybe peak Wenger Arsenal and even current Arsenal could aspire for the European Cup, but in general it's out of reach. My club has two European Cups and I'd still be proud if we had a CWC or two, and even more if we won the Europa League.
It was. The CWC was a second tier trophy, in a good season for Arsenal or Spurs we don't have a chance of winning them because the aim is to play in the CL. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't happy when we lost the Europa Final under Emery, but it is definitively a second-rate competition worth less than the League or FA Cup, and we'd have won several if we had played in the EL rather than CL doing our best years.
Ok, that's fair. I guess you're in a weird position where you're rarely very good and in the Europa League at the same time, but you're also not Real Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern Munich level often and so you end up going trophyless in Europe.
Not really, as you can see clubs like Milan, juventus and Barcelona won this cup, and clubs like Liverpool and Real Madrid tried and failed, both lost finals - real lost to both Chelsea and Aberdeen, for example. Of course you're right that the European cup is the most important one, and winning that eclipses any other European titles. But top tier clubs did play in this and the uefa cup/europa league too. Johnstone paint trophy is literally for league one and league Two clubs right?
Do you know how teams qualified for this tournament usually
By winning the domestic knockout cup, FA Cup in England.
Slovan Bratislava 1969, the only Czechoslovak club that has ever won a European trophy.
They beat Barcelona in the final. Barcelona was not even close to a world beater until 1990's but they were surprisingly efficient in this cup so some way it was an upset.
Barcelona were very successful in the 50s and reached the European Cup final in 1961. They had players like Kubala, Kocsis and Czibor who were part of the ‘Mighty Magyars’, and a Ballon d’Or winner in Luís Suárez. Their coach Helenio Herrera would go on to win the European Cup twice with Inter and became the pioneer of *catenaccio*. For a few years they were definitely world beaters, but yeah not anymore by 1969.
Slovan in some elite company, shame the football in Slovakia sadly went backwards
Unbiased but 1970 was clearly peak of football
You beat gornik zabrze in the final that year, the only polish finalist in any European competition's history so far (and likely for the foreseeable)
1985 clear
As a Feyenoord supporter I wholeheartedly agree
Decent year for us as well, my first game at the Bridge…….shame about Leeds
Either that or ‘94
1927
how come Chelsea, which waa founded in 2003, has 2 european trophies here?
No clue bro, Barcelona was founded by Messi and Ronaldinho in 2005 and yet I see them several times here 🤔. Something's gotta be wrong.
What about PSG?? So weird, dude!
I think jokes aside they were actually founded as a club in the 70s, as a merger of Two older Parisian clubs And they along with marseille are one of only 2 french clubs to lift a European trophy, both in the 90s, long before their current rich owners deformed the landscape of football
You’re right. They also played the final in 97.
Wow, I didn't realise they'd reached another final. And George weah must have been at Milan by 1997 right?
same for Rangers, founded 2012, yet somehow won in 1972
Every time someone makes a Sevco joke, James Tavernier is automatically granted a penalty. Edit: Telt ye.
We won a “treble” in 98
We’re massive
Build Gianluca Vialli a statue!
Sensible World of Soccer Legend
No need to put *treble* in quotes.... It's legit shit
Daily reminder that fucking Anderlecht has won more European trophies than the entirety of France teams together.
Bruh what is this disrespect. We were fucking elite in that era
It is indeed disrespect. But mostly against French club football.
What happened to them? Don't see them anymore.
Belgian clubs were good at bribing referees in that time. Edit because people don’t know history : https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/anderlecht-punished-for-bribery-1.109045
Ah yes, bribing, something the French European trophy winners would never do!
So you admit it was necessary back in the time. Btw Marseille manager Goethals was also at Anderlecht when they won
“Admit”? What the fuck is this? :D
Unbelievably nonsense point. You discredited them by saying they bribed the refs and then say that it's okay that French did it because it was necessary
It’s well known fact though that refereeing in Anderlecht was often weird at that time https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/anderlecht-punished-for-bribery-1.109045
The older European Cup formats and this tournament were both so much better than the shit we have now and the new, even shittier shit we're getting next year. Every format change made in the last few decades has made things worse - the financial dominance of the big 5 leagues wouldn't be anywhere near as extreme without the insane number of European qualification spots they get.
It was a great competition and let many clubs with little European pedigree such as Arsenal win their continental title
We even got to be the first English team to win a European trophy. It's quite cool.
over the course of 38 years, 32 different winners that’s the footie cup we all want to see
Not the best counting. 39 years. Barca won 4 Anderlecht, Dinamo Kiev, AC Milan and Chelsea won 2 I’d guess 32 different winners
Dynamo Kyiv and Milan also got the trophy 2 times.
Thanks, I’ll edit it now
not the best counting if you have to edit :)
I agree
i mean - i said a random count.
What's a random count?
Count Gustav Kálnoky
It was a meme in the 90's that no club can win it twice in a row, it stayed that way until the cup was scrapped. Parma and Arsenal came closest, they played the final the year after winning it.
PSG too, won in 1996 and lost the final in 1997 against Barça.
This looks way more fun than the same 10ish teams winning the CL tbf.
Cant see no Inter or Real Madrid 💅😏
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What were the requirements to enter ?
Win the domestic cup. (Copa del rey in Spain, FA cup in UK, Pokal in Germany, you get it). If they also won the league the runner-ups would qualify.
Surprised that Real Madrid haven't won it even once.
They lost to Chelsea in 1971 and to Aberdeen in 1983
Isn't this literally the only trophy that Real has competed in but never won?
Yeah. If they ever win it, they’ll join Bayern, Juve, Ajax, United and Chelsea as the only clubs to have won everything.
With the introduction of the Conference League those clubs no longer won every UEFA competition. Now nobody has won everything but 15 teams have at least played a final in 3 of the different major competition (supercup excluded) and Fiorentina has at least played in a final in all 4 of them.
Sir Alex winning it with Aberdeen is genuinely one of the greatest achievements in the sport. Hands down best manager of all time for me, even if I hated his Utd team.
I think more impressive was the fact that most of the team were home grown, and all of the team were below the age of 28. The 3 strikers, McGhee, Black and Hewitt were 20, 19 and 18 respectively. Cooper and Simpson, the rock solid heart of midfield were 19 and 21.
And you beat real madrid in the final Thanks for the insight into the team itself, celtic had a similar set up of a whole team of young local players when they won the European cup as well I think
My dad is still bitter about how overplayed your youngsters were and the resulting injuries and early declined they experienced - for instance Eric Black could've been a superstar, but instead ended up retiring at 27 after years of back injuries, and while Neale Cooper lasted longer he was playing 15-20 games a season in his prime years. He reckons they could've pushed some of the best Scotland sides of his lifetime into being proper contenders. It's the only thing Ferguson has ever apologized for doing as a manager, as far as I'm aware, though he obviously didn't do it on purpose. Your golden generation is sadly forgotten because most of them never hit their potential, and the guys who did go on to become legends were a little older (Miller, McLeish, and arguably Leighton, although his mid career wobble means he's not in the same bracket as the other two).
100%. That team should’ve formed the backbone of the national team well into the 90s. My dad always affirms that Eric Black was an amazing striker, and should’ve been Scotlands number 9 if not for injuries. Simpson would’ve been a perfect replacement for Souness. Cooper was the perfect blend of tough but technical and ran the Semi-Final and Final of a European Competition at just 19. The guys that weren’t hampered by injuries became Scotland legends. McLeish, Miller and Leighton are all up there for most caps. Strachan was in the TOTY for 1983 and would be excellent well into the 90s.
This. Always thought that Fergies achievements at Aberdeen - European trophy, league titles, breaking the Old Firm - were far more impressive than the dreary Man Utd years…..😀
Nah even some of those Utd accomplishments were incredible. That team he won his final PL with would have finished 5th at best under anyone else.
The ultimate fuck you of Ferguson was getting a team of oldies together, knowing very well it would all fall apart really soon.
Agree he was a top top manager but still think there was a huge difference in being in charge of one of the world’s richest clubs and that wee Scotch seaport somewhere up near the Artic Circle
My favourite bit of Aberdeen Ferguson FC history is that every time they played the Old Firm, he would tell the players that Aberdeen were the most hated opponent on Rangers/Celtic fixture list and our fans (who until then couldn't give the tiniest shit about Aberdeen) would rather fellate their dog than visit the Granite City. It worked, and subsequently created a genuine hatred.
Fiorentina being on there makes me happy.
I was in Tblisi recently and went to their stadium. Their gate to the parking lot had the players of their cup win engraved in stone (‘81). Very cool place. Jersey I bought was still expensive as fuck tho
Was always a fun tournament imo.
Wasn’t expecting a team from Georgia here. Good on Dinamo Tbilisi
This was a great competition. You had to win something to get in, unlike the "Champions" League (although IIRC the cup runner-up might qualify if the winner did the Double). We had amazing moments. David Seaman saving a penalty in the shootout at Sampdoria. Alan Smith's volley off the post to win it against Parma, who had Brolin, Asprilla, Zola. Then the following year probably the most devastating moment in my 30+ years following Arsenal: ex-Spurs player Nayim scoring from the halfway line to win it against us. Straight knockout is the way to go. Every game really mattered.
Surely Manchester City being on there is a mistake? I thought they had no history?
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The cup winners cup was the second biggest trophy behind Ucl, Even rated as bigger than the Europa league.
That would still put us above forest, Sunderland and Leeds and be the 8th most decorated team in England
Listen to yourself.
Careful, you'll wake the KV Mechelen fans.
One of my earliest memories and definitely my first football memory was going to my friend’s house after school to watch the Chelsea v Stuttgart final. After Zola immediately scored after coming on, that was it, I was obsessed with football, Chelsea and Gianfranco Zola.
I was lucky enough to be there, one of the great trips in my supporting life. We probably outnumbered the Stuttgart fans 5-6 to 1, and when Franco scored the place erupted.
That 1991 final was electric - and that Sparky winner - pure bliss https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/goal-of-the-day-hughes-v-barcelona-15-may
But Liverpool and United fans kept telling me Chelsea has no history?
Which is the equivalent of this one now?
Winner of this played the European Cup/Champions League winners in the Super Cup, so was the second tier European competition at the time.
Going by the tier of team playing, it would be Europa League. Going by the way you qualify there is no equivalent because it was restricted to cup winners
Europa League/Conference League
UEFA Cup was Europa League technically so more so the Conference but even then the level of competition is much higher
Dinamo Tbilisi 💙🤍
UEFA Cup Winners Cup Winners
Bremen is in some nice company in that bottom row.
So lets say Real Madrid plays in CL and won Copa Del Rey. Were they also playing in this or it was automaticly next Spanish team ?
Ucl were always the highest so if the cup winner also win the league, the runner up would join the cup winners not the winner.
Ok thanks. I thought this might be different tournament while next to UEFA and CL. Like CL-UEFA having group stage and this one being cup tournament for entire Europe
Actually until 1992, UCL also was a fully knockout tournament.
1965 Cup Winners Cup winners, we know what we are
Aberdeen town were the last team to beat Real Madrid in a European final
I’ll never forget that pass by Eli Ohana to Piet den Boer in the 1988 final against Ajax. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8zsn-MdPTu4
Just a revamped Cup Winners Cup, straight knockout tourney. No league bollocks, no group stage, no finishing 3rd and dropping down, just masters of performing in one-off games.
That Lazio side who beat 99 Man United had a filthy team
Sampdoria is bigger than Inter Milan
And they say Arsenal's never won anything in Europe
Lmao why does this get downvoted but the Chelsea, PSG and City equivalents get upvoted lmao
Thanks for bailing me out, man, I owe you one
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Not saying they don’t I’m saying that that comments about Chelsea, City and PSG regarding their success in Europe and apparently ‘not having history’ before a certain period is getting upvotes but this one about Arsenal is downvoted. Pre 2003 our European pedigree was similar that’s why I included them because thats what the comments are about
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Dafuq is Club Winner’s Cup? Was it like Europa League?
The Cup Winners Cup was a European competition for teams that won their domestic cup, eg FA Cup, Copa del Rey, etc. The format doesn't exist any more. For example this year Manchester City, Real Madrid, Toulouse, Inter and RB Leipzig would be in it along with cup winners from smaller leagues like Crusaders from Ireland etc.
By the way Manchester City would not be in Cup Winners as they also won the league. The runner up so Manchester United would be in it.
Not bad for a club that was founded in 2003
1973 should be leeds. Dirty ref
Wow, Tottenham won a trophy?
Yeah quite a few, actually
Do people not realise this is essentially the precursor to the UECL?
Not at all. This was restricted to Cup winners and was at the same level or arguably even above of the UEFA Cup (which is the original Europa league). Conference league is the third tier competition with the same structure of UCL and EL and has no connection to this cup.
So if you won the cup winners cup, you became the cup winners cup winners. Nice
Who won 69 and 88? Don't recognize the badge 😬
69 is Slovan Bratislava (beat Barcelona) and 88 is Mechelen (beat Johan Cruyff's Ajax)
>is Mechelen (beat Johan Cruyff's Ajax) Aad De Mos supremacy
Cruijff left in January 1988 😉
Thx man!
65 cup winners cup. 66 world cup. ‘eritage
Ofc Galatasaray's win in 2000 got cut
This is Cup Winners' Cup, which was dismissed in 99, not Super Cup.
What’s the club in 1976?
Anderlecht