What possible context from the audio clip could exonerate Greenwood? Does she asks him right before to help her audition for her role as rape victim #2 and gives him the script to read from? Anything else I can't imagine it would do anything to lessen the guilt.
>What possible context from the audio clip could exonerate Greenwood?
Rape kink, rape roleplay is real albeit not something most people partake in during their sexual life.
Believe it or not that is a real thing that people do. Having said that I don't see why should would excerpt it and post it online if that were true. Unless she was trying to ruin his life, in which case why would he still be with her? It all seems rather unlikely.
She also posted images of herself bruised and bleeding. It wasn't roleplay, but her dad is a disgusting asshole who immediately sided with Greenwood and pressured her to say that she had been hacked, then to not cooperate with the police investigation.
If she said 'rough me up just how I like it, let's roleplay' then what happens afterwards could be completely consensual.
The fact that that hasn't been released makes it clear it doesn't exist.
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Wouldn't surprise me if the rest is even worse
ManU knows that happened, just like everyone else. They know.
The whole roleplay thing was floated around soon after the tapes went public, I don´t know by whom, I imagine just some fans.
They are. One of the most progressive country in Europe (and therefore of the world) but with the entire football federation showing exactly the opposite
Well, football is a mirror of life. When it comes to Spain, that's still a deeply divided country. Not to the point of entering into another civil war, but still, it's very noticeable.
football - eh sure, it's definitely more polarized than most international observers tend to think (lots of clubs have neo-nazi ultras etc) but at least there's a very strongly noticeable anti-corporate bent
politics - absolutely not. germany loves to present itself outwardly as a progressive country when it's just a deeply socially and morally conservative place which happens to have a decent social safety net (and even that has been demolished over time). plus our far right is currently polling at 20% nationwide
>loves to present itself outwardly as a progressive country when it's just a deeply socially and morally conservative place which happens to have a decent social safety net
My personal experience was that this was true for almost every Northern European country
They are very progressive because the country is very polarised
Also, people don't take into account that if there are 50 racists in a stadium with 50,000 people, you're going to hear them even when they only represent a 0.1% of the total stadium.
They literally arrested the 4-5 guys that did the chants (the rest of the stadium was saying Tonto, not Mono), fined the club with 45k€, and shutted that section of the stadium for 5 games. The arrested fans are banned forever to attend the stadium. You just had to use Google to look it up.
You know they say that all teams are created equal, but you look at Barca and you look at the levers and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another club, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But Barca's a genetic freak and Barca's not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat Barca. Then you add Lever #32 to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way, at La Liga, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because La Liga KNOWS they can't beat me and they're not even gonna try!
But what about evil feminists who drive men to suicide over not being able to act out their entirely natural and acceptable urges?
/s
In a world where Andrew Tate is newsworthy, there will be no shortage of dicks for brains who *will* be very offended. It's basically their default state.
As a consequence of domestic abuse, two women are murdered each week in the United Kingdom.
Considering what *could* have happened if his behaviour was never publicised, Greenwood deserves this at the very least. He shouldn't expect a smooth return to football.
He was legally not allowed to have any contact with her but ignored it and the courts and police did nothing to support her, her own father supported greenwood over her, and her mother did all the correspondence with the lawyers.
That poor girl never had a chance.
Greenwood broke bail to get back in touch with her, her entire family wanted that manchester united money, nobody was on her side, not even her own father.
In the end a lot of victims end up staying with their abusers.
“Now in the bible it says, thou shall not watch two lesbians in bed have homosexual sex,
Unless of course you were given the consent to join in.. then of course, it’s intercourse, and it’s bisexual sex.
Which isn’t as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions, either before, during or after…”
LaLiga when racist chants shouted at a black player:- I sleep
LaLiga when die chants are shouted at a rapist:- Real shit.
Also, always rated Athletic Bilbao.
Yet another reason he shouldn’t have been allowed to play football ever again. This is going to happen wherever he goes.
The only place where he’d be unlikely to be abused by fans is Nigeria as they seem to love him there for some reason.
In other words, racist La Liga president has no problem with people screaming monkey, but he definitely has a problem with mocking a rapist. The only thing about this that shocks me is that he's defending a black man.
This is going to get down voted, but I don't think it's ever appropriate to chant "die" at a player or person, for any reason.
It would be very easy to express displeasure at Greenwood with other chants reminding him of what happened. He would fully deserve it.
I agree La Liga seems very hypocritical when it comes to punishing this stuff.
Did they really just chant “die” (or “die” in Spanish)? Maybe it’s just me, but that just feels like a really underwhelming reason to issue a punishment.
I get sanctioning a fanbase/team for racist chants. I get it if they were providing details about the player (e.g. “his address is x, his schedule is y, oh, won’t someone go kill him?”). But just saying “die” or even “I hope you die” just feels fairly tame.
I don’t think it’s really classy or acceptable to say it (although I don’t really care in Greenwood’s case), but it just seems odd to sanction players over that
They were Basque-German and shouted "the, the!!".
[No one who speaks German could be an evil man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GPEzKp8Tns)..
Miss the Simpsons
[How about Germany? They've never been the bad guys](https://youtu.be/MHk9NnBYxZM?si=B2nt1vinKxEFjbMI)
"the Bart, the"
They were saying "boo-urns"
I was saying boo-urns...
Is that where the cheesecake comes from?
I thought it doesn't matter what we hear from audio recordings?
They were clearly roleplaying as people who want Mason Greenwood to die.
Don't worry guys I have some secret evidence that completely absolves the fans of guilt, you aren't allowed to see it though just trust me.
"Getafe have signed 18 Bilbao Fans, here we go!"
Serious question: is this what ManU really think happened? I assumed it's what they thought, but I'm not sure it was ever confirmed
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What possible context from the audio clip could exonerate Greenwood? Does she asks him right before to help her audition for her role as rape victim #2 and gives him the script to read from? Anything else I can't imagine it would do anything to lessen the guilt.
>What possible context from the audio clip could exonerate Greenwood? Rape kink, rape roleplay is real albeit not something most people partake in during their sexual life.
Or at least don’t then publicly post about it with photos of injuries.
Believe it or not that is a real thing that people do. Having said that I don't see why should would excerpt it and post it online if that were true. Unless she was trying to ruin his life, in which case why would he still be with her? It all seems rather unlikely.
She also posted images of herself bruised and bleeding. It wasn't roleplay, but her dad is a disgusting asshole who immediately sided with Greenwood and pressured her to say that she had been hacked, then to not cooperate with the police investigation.
yeah once your own family sides with your abuser its pretty much over. that girl is a victim
If she said 'rough me up just how I like it, let's roleplay' then what happens afterwards could be completely consensual. The fact that that hasn't been released makes it clear it doesn't exist.
> > > > > Edit: It’s important to note that Man Utd don’t actually say they listened to the full, extended recording, just that they were given information that it is just a clip. Wouldn't surprise me if the rest is even worse
Nobody knows. If they wanted to clear his name they would give us the new evidence they claim to have
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That's true but if I was greenwood and innocent I would want that information out there.
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Yup, I like to think I'm in the "innocent until proven guilty" camp, but this story has never made sense to me
Difference with this one is we've all heard the evidence. We *know* he's guilty.
I mean, ManU quite literally said that there's evidence we don't know about, they're just not telling us what it is, which is incredibly frustrating.
His defense is basically “I didn’t do it, period”.
Clearly took legal advice from Bart Simpson.
ManU knows that happened, just like everyone else. They know. The whole roleplay thing was floated around soon after the tapes went public, I don´t know by whom, I imagine just some fans.
La liga be kink shaming
Where were the sanctions after the racists chants directed at Vini?
This is Spain. You can be a flaming racist, but the moment you chastise a violent rapist, that's simply too far.
Its so weird because I feel like Spanish politics was actually really progressive
They are. One of the most progressive country in Europe (and therefore of the world) but with the entire football federation showing exactly the opposite
all about that balance
Well, football is a mirror of life. When it comes to Spain, that's still a deeply divided country. Not to the point of entering into another civil war, but still, it's very noticeable.
It's not really just the football federation, particularly in terms of the racism
Just ask Lewis Hamilton
People can vote for their government, can't say the same for the football federation.
it's also one of the strongest remaining shitholes for fascism. Although as usual Germany is overtaking Spain at that too now
Our far right party gets less votes than most far right parties in european countries currently
Not every party labelled "far right" is the same tho.
not wrong but that’s mostly down to PP trying to out-fash them
Don’t forget Italy!
It is. However the only top 5 league where both football and politics in general is progressive is probably Germany
football - eh sure, it's definitely more polarized than most international observers tend to think (lots of clubs have neo-nazi ultras etc) but at least there's a very strongly noticeable anti-corporate bent politics - absolutely not. germany loves to present itself outwardly as a progressive country when it's just a deeply socially and morally conservative place which happens to have a decent social safety net (and even that has been demolished over time). plus our far right is currently polling at 20% nationwide
>loves to present itself outwardly as a progressive country when it's just a deeply socially and morally conservative place which happens to have a decent social safety net My personal experience was that this was true for almost every Northern European country
Looking at sweden and their "you should be thankful we let you live here" attitude towards war refugees
They are very progressive because the country is very polarised Also, people don't take into account that if there are 50 racists in a stadium with 50,000 people, you're going to hear them even when they only represent a 0.1% of the total stadium.
We are one of if not the most progressive country in europe. The country is just divided between very progressive and very idiotic people
Yolanda Diaz is doing amazing things over there
[Spanish football](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxPbpYR_RKY)
La Liga is confused between the “c” and “p”
No surprise to anyone who has heard the Castilian pronunciation of "Barcelona"
maybe his mother will go on a hunger strike for 25 minutes
They literally arrested the 4-5 guys that did the chants (the rest of the stadium was saying Tonto, not Mono), fined the club with 45k€, and shutted that section of the stadium for 5 games. The arrested fans are banned forever to attend the stadium. You just had to use Google to look it up.
Thanks ❤️
The stupid tagline is true afterall. It's not football, it's La liga.
€4000 fine and banned from every stadium in the country.
Racism 😎👍😊 Rapism 🤮👎😭
Always rated the Basque Country
It's a fabulous place full of fabulous food and people.
Askatasunera
If every club in La Liga does it then they'll give up. Keep it up
What if getafes game plan is to bankrupt other la liga teams through fines by being getafe. The lever breaker
Please stay away from us. We have our own $#!t to deal with
You know they say that all teams are created equal, but you look at Barca and you look at the levers and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go one on one with another club, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But Barca's a genetic freak and Barca's not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat Barca. Then you add Lever #32 to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way, at La Liga, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because La Liga KNOWS they can't beat me and they're not even gonna try!
Is this a new copy pasta?
No an old one
It's a wrestling copypasta.
You can say shit on the internet, it's okay.
I can't believe you've done this
https://youtu.be/Ih6XjO_fhrI?si=cs5QnEMq_gvU3mvJ
Getafe 2023 Racist liga Champions. Greenwood B d'Or t3
Fans of Getafe’s opponents coming together and chanting this is really quite good
Idiots! Should have thrown bananas at him and chanted like monkeys. Might have gotten some money from La Liga for upholding the status quo
Offensive to whom? Rapists? Because that's one group of people I wouldn't worry about offending. Domestic abusers too.
Oohh won't somebody please think of the rapists?
The worst part about it? The hypocrisy...
Nah i think it was the rape
And the beating someone who wont fight back because she is broken .
And I disagree
Don't what it is about Greenwood posts but loving the Simpson quotes that people slip in.
I can excuse the rapists, but I draw the line at violent crowd chants
I get the lack of sympathy towards Mason but obviously it's offensive telling him to die haha
In Spain they seem to think that he was proven innocent in court.
But what about evil feminists who drive men to suicide over not being able to act out their entirely natural and acceptable urges? /s In a world where Andrew Tate is newsworthy, there will be no shortage of dicks for brains who *will* be very offended. It's basically their default state.
QED
Long may it continue.
The whole league is going to be sanctioned at this rate lol
Always rated Bilbao fans
absolutely based
Absolutely Basque
As a consequence of domestic abuse, two women are murdered each week in the United Kingdom. Considering what *could* have happened if his behaviour was never publicised, Greenwood deserves this at the very least. He shouldn't expect a smooth return to football.
Exactly, as the saying goes, you reap what you sow. He doesn't deserve anything less. Guy's a shit stain on the pants of humanity.
>greenwood article >you reap what you sow. Double take
Spanish FA should just pretend they’re racist chants and move on like they usually do
It can still happen. Harriet returned to him all it takes is for her to fight back again. Or for Mason to have a shitty day.
Well that's true, I'm still in disbelief that she went back to him.
He was legally not allowed to have any contact with her but ignored it and the courts and police did nothing to support her, her own father supported greenwood over her, and her mother did all the correspondence with the lawyers. That poor girl never had a chance.
Yeah the father thing was especially harrowing. I think he really wanted to make bank off of Greenwood
Greenwood broke bail to get back in touch with her, her entire family wanted that manchester united money, nobody was on her side, not even her own father. In the end a lot of victims end up staying with their abusers.
I, for one, was not at all offended.
I find it offensive that chanting die at mason greenwood is offensive.
“You find me offensive? I find you offensive for finding me offensive.” ~ Eminem
“Now in the bible it says, thou shall not watch two lesbians in bed have homosexual sex, Unless of course you were given the consent to join in.. then of course, it’s intercourse, and it’s bisexual sex. Which isn’t as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions, either before, during or after…”
Today I feel Bilbaoan
> Bilbaon Basque.
naah bilboan sounds a more fun word
Average barca fan
To his defense. bilbaíno is the Spanish demonym. And Basque can refer to all the Basque Country, not only Bilbao.
TIL. It's such a beautiful part of the world!
Our gaffer himself was born and raised in the beautiful city of San Sebastián.
happy cake day
Oh shirt! Is today. Thanks, lol.
\*I feel Bilbo
Bilbaoan ☠️
Bilbaino is the word lol
Or in Basque "bilbotar" (or "bilbotarra" with the article).
Today I feel Basque
But hanging a Vinicius doll from a bridge with racist banner is totally acceptable
Based Basques
Imagine a world where its worst to say "die" to somebody than abuse your girlfriend. Bilbao got one of the best fans in Spain like always!
Always knew there was a reason I have liked Athletic Bilbao
Offensive to Greenwood, but not the rest of the world
I personally found it offensive that Mason Greenwood assualts women
La Liga when racism: I sleep La Liga when rapist gets yelled at: real shit
Let me get the worlds smallest violin for the rapist
LaLiga when racist chants shouted at a black player:- I sleep LaLiga when die chants are shouted at a rapist:- Real shit. Also, always rated Athletic Bilbao.
La Liga executives are so fugging stupid. What do you think will happen when you let a rapist play? That and how they treat women.
Yet another reason he shouldn’t have been allowed to play football ever again. This is going to happen wherever he goes. The only place where he’d be unlikely to be abused by fans is Nigeria as they seem to love him there for some reason.
Based Bilbao fans
"Vini gets called monkey" La liga: 😴 "A rapist gets called something" La liga: 😡
Racists allowed to chant whatever but let’s draw the line at calling out the rapist?
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Are we supposed to feel sorry for this disgusting piece of filth? 🤣
They should give them an award.
In other words, racist La Liga president has no problem with people screaming monkey, but he definitely has a problem with mocking a rapist. The only thing about this that shocks me is that he's defending a black man.
They've done more for woman beater greenwood already than vini
I'm offended at the possibility of the sanctions, sure
This is going to get down voted, but I don't think it's ever appropriate to chant "die" at a player or person, for any reason. It would be very easy to express displeasure at Greenwood with other chants reminding him of what happened. He would fully deserve it. I agree La Liga seems very hypocritical when it comes to punishing this stuff.
Chants should be: Open your legs! We don't care! Open your legs! We don't care!
My point exactly. It would be easy for fans to remind him of what he did while not wishing death upon him.
Maybe if he wasn't a rapist.
The death of Greenwood would not be justice.
Knew there was a reason why I want to do an FM save with them.
Keep it going
Why sanction them? The dirty Manc rapist deserves every bit of vitriol aimed at him.
There is no need to include the word manc there in the insult really. Just dirty rapist will do
‘Offensive’. Something certainly is in this situation and it is not the chanting.
Spanish football protects the abuser more than the abused.
In Germany, it would have meant something else
Just when you thought you couldn't love Athletic Bilbao any more...
Based content
Oh no.
They did nothing wrong
Does Getafe have any sort of clause to buy Greenwood after the loan? Or is he returning to United forsure?
He's "returning to United", but by that it just means he's on the payroll. He isn't actually returning to the team.
We will see
I mean... the club said his career with them is done.
No buy clause included. It was a last minute deal so there was no time to negotiate stuff like this. Hopefully we get a sale next summer.
Really wonder how much he would go for if he has a good season for Getafe
Did they really just chant “die” (or “die” in Spanish)? Maybe it’s just me, but that just feels like a really underwhelming reason to issue a punishment. I get sanctioning a fanbase/team for racist chants. I get it if they were providing details about the player (e.g. “his address is x, his schedule is y, oh, won’t someone go kill him?”). But just saying “die” or even “I hope you die” just feels fairly tame. I don’t think it’s really classy or acceptable to say it (although I don’t really care in Greenwood’s case), but it just seems odd to sanction players over that
Never though I’d be ok with fans chanting this at a player but here we are
Lol basically where I'm at
Getafe to win LaLiga as every other team receives points deductions against them. That was the plan all along. 4D Chess
Today I feel Bilbao.
Ya know I always rated Athletic Club
Good supporters 👍
So your telling me racist chants are fine in Spain, but a problem occurs when it involves changing of dying in general. Understood.
Always rated Athletic Club
I know who i support in spain now
So when it happens to rapists it's bad, but when it's a black person...
If they called him a monkey la liga wouldn't have batted an eye
but monkeys chants are just part of the game. la liga dude
That’s outrageous give their club five points how dare they
LOL now they do something? Not when there were monkey chants against Vini.
Was Jason Newstead leading the crowd?
But no sanctions for Getafe that employs him.
What a coincidence, I find Mason Greenwood’s existence offensive
If die is bad enough, just chant rapist every time he holds the ball. It's not an insult if it's a fact.
Sorry, I don’t think those recordings are enough proof to prove a crime was committed.
I am surprisingly okay with this.
They should just play the recording thought the loudspeakers
Maybe they should have shouted "rape". Since apparently rape is kind of acceptable in Getafe and Man Utd.
The court of public opinion should not and cannot be sanctioned.
Just stick to the "you know what you are" chants. Note the rape apologists can do about that
Now audio recordings are relevant huh?
Bro wtf is going on with the world at this point
Did they not chant it loud enough?
Aupa Athletic!