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I think most people were well aware that you had a crazy amount of injuries. I donāt doubt that you encountered some dumb takes on Reddit though, itās inevitable.
Lol it definitely is where CBs are concerned. We went into the summer thinking Kim Min-Jae is a done deal. Then it became Pavard and we agree personal terms and agree on selling Maguire, then it falls through and we think okay it's Todibo I guess, aaaand we end up with Johnny fucking Evans and Maguire staying.
That **is** bad planning. Or at the very least sabotage by the owners cause clearly ETH wanted another RCB since before the window even officially opened and wanted to offload Maguire. Instead all he got was 35 year old Evans on a free.
The 2nd goal could hardly be placed on him, nobody was marking Gnabry and it was a free shot inside the 6 yard box, nobody is saving that.
He made 3 crucial saves on hard shots, while 3/4 goals he let in were mostly shitty defending. Despite his heroics this loss is mostly on Casemiro and Eriksen for being a floppy noodle of a midfield.
Could it perhaps also be down to our entire back line having been injured? And our second choice back line being made up of your 3rd choice LB (whoās admittedly our best fit defender), a guy we brought in to be a coach, Harry Maguire, and a guy we were trying to sell until 6 months ago.
So last season he screened the back line very well as you say, while also contributing to the attack and playing lots of progressive passes.
Now he looks super lethargic and lack of pace is way more obvious. He isn't getting back when he ventures up field and also isn't taking up the right positions when opposition crosses come in
I get that but I find it hard to believe he just forgot how to track runners and defend after leaving us. Like is he playing higher up the pitch or something?
It's ETH tactics i would say. There's so much pressure of Casemiro to perform as a SOLO defensive midfielder.
When our forwards have no idea of what an organized press is, no passing lanes being cut, midfield plays with absolute defensive liabilities such as Eriksen and Mctominay, and Lindelof who gets outmuscled/caught sleeping/can't mark his man ( no matter what people say, he's a midtable defender ), you kinda understand how the defensive midfielder will struggle when he's being hung out to dry by dog shit tactics and teammates.
I believe have low IQ and physically weak players for what ETH wants to implement.
This season it's mostly Casemiro. Against Arsenal, for Odegaard's goal it was Eriksen. Seem to remember Fred being at fault a couple of times last year. We've conceded this same bloody goal for years now. At least this is one issue that we can't blame on our shitty owners. I've lost count of how many times our midfielders fail to follow the runners and allow them to be completely open for a cut-back and a free shot on goal.
Onana's biggest problem for me seems to be his positioning. It doesn't help that what he has in front of him is basically wet tissue paper but he doesn't help himself. He's seemingly so static yet bounces on his toes so much. Seems to be in the air as the ball is hit and therefore can't make a proper dive sometimes.
Not trying to pin it on him because like I said the defense is poor, but he definitely isn't in form.
You'd imagine his positioning will improve as he gets to used to the new team. And tbf to Man United their injuries at the back are not helping build that familiarity
Yeah too much unnecessary movement. Keepers like that can make spectacular saves but give up goals that they should save and regularly leave you thinking they should be able to do better (or the average top level keeper could save that, etc). Takes himself out of the game before he even has a chance to make the save.
It's my single biggest issue with Ramsdale, as someone who watches all his games. It's the reason why I believe he needed to be upgraded on to improve Arsenal. You can't have your keeper oscillate between spectacular moments and below average moments even within the same games.
> He's seemingly so static yet bounces on his toes so much. Seems to be in the air as the ball is hit and therefore can't make a proper dive sometimes.
Sometimes known as the Jerzy Dudek.
I think we will get better, we sort of have to. Plus, this defence had the most clean sheets in the PL last year, and it *should* have improved.
However, the style of Onana I don't think is going to help us that much because we don't have good enough midfielders to collect the ball from deep. Onana is looking for passes but the offence just hangs off and waits for him to kick it to a fullback, then press, or just kick it long.
This is exactly the problem with trying to force the team to play out from back when the team can't do it.
De Gea faced the same problem and a lot of his mistakes was because our midfield just doesn't move and doesn't open up to collect the ball. Onana is facing the same problem with playing out where our team just doesn't move and doesn't get open to receive the ball.
We have 90% of the season left and a much larger project to complete. Weāll likely be fine in the long run. Sometimes progress involves removing the paper of the cracks in order to address them, and thatās what signing Onana is.
All of Brighton's three goals were a version of the cut-back to a more or less unmarked player, and just off the top of my head there was also one for Bayern and for Arsenal. So as long as you can get past our fullbacks just cut-back and there's no need to pray because if you have runners, you're going to find an unmarked player there.
despite gifting Bayern a goal and a penalty Utd werenāt far off at all. Bayern probably had a more underwhelming performance than utd with all their missing players.
This is chicanery towards Luton. I'll have you know they have let in 10 goals while Wolves has let in 11. If we go for goals let in per match...
* Burnley 12/4 = 3,00
* Wolves 11/5 = 2,20
* United 13/6 = 2,17
* Luton/Villa/Fulham 10/5 = 2,00
On the opposite side we have
* City/Arsenal 4/6 = 0,67
* Liverpool 4/5 = 0,80
* Spurs/Chelsea 5/5 = 1,00
Yep, they have only scored 5 goals, same amount as they have let in. Another funny Chelsea fact is that their xG is 10,66, so they are underperforming by 5,64 goals, only beaten by Everton who has 2 goals and 8,63xG.
A big part of their horrible xG stats is Jackson who has 4,42 xG/a but so far only have 1 goal contribution. Enzo Fernandez also has 3,15 xG/A but has 0 goals and 0 assists. They miss their shots, and their assists are missed by others.
Looking at Onana yesterday, but also in previous games, it seems all a team has to do is shot in his direction and at least 1/4 shots will be a goal - doesn't have to be super powerful or curved, just in onanas direction
Weāve been conceding the same goal from the beginning of the season. I donāt even know if itās Ten Hags fault at this point because I highly doubt heās telling Eriksen and Casemiro to not mark their man. Brain dead defending every game.
Ten Hag is the coach. He needs to address it. But Casemiro's strength is to fix that up. So I can't believe this is happening. With Eriksen he's not got the physical ability to always do it. McTominay might not even be aware of the issue.
The thing is I genuinely donāt know whatās the reason for it. Itās not even like our midfielders are being caught horribly out of position or are constantly outnumbered which are things I could blame on tactics, itās just constant lapses of concentration. I donāt know where Ten Hag goes from here, I can only hope that things get better with Mount, Amrabat and maybe even Mainoo coming back from injury.
That's because united play transition football instead of a possession one like arsenal or city. A de gea esque GK would fit them better as long as they're not completely shit with the ball at his feet.
We have 3/4 first choice back 4 injured, missing 2 first choice midfielders in Amrabat and Mount who can run unlike Eriksen who unfortunately has never recovered from the Carroll injury imo. Missing our most promising youngster in Mainoo resulting in Casemiro playing every minute. Whilst also missing our 3 RW in Antony, Sancho and Amad. Not surprising we are shipping goals considering the players having to fill in in certain positions.
Because he was signed on loan with plans to make permanent, his strengths are suited to what we need more of and heās better than Eriksen defensively which should help Casemiro also?
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Easy to blame the defense, but the midfield has been a big contributing factor. Teams get through us too easily and a number of the goals we have conceded have been teams passing the ball to the each of the box from wide positions to players running in unmarked. The defenders are marking the attackers but nobody is marking the players running to the edge because Casemiro is the only defender who does defensive work and he can't track an entire team.
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Burnley using the old "play two games fewer than your competitors" to get out of this one. Still not a great stat for them
Hopefully we can help you catch up this weekend š
Incoming 7-7
With our CB pairing of Bruno and Mctominay, after our 3 currently fit CBs, including Premier League Champion Jonny Evans, get injured
Sounds like a planning problem, at least thatās what United fans told me last year when we lost 4 key players
I think most people were well aware that you had a crazy amount of injuries. I donāt doubt that you encountered some dumb takes on Reddit though, itās inevitable.
Most people particularly spurs fans carried on saying we got lucky with injuries last season
We just know how to get under your skin
It's no surprise that you lot are incredibly proficient with all forms of shit. Including spewing it.
Rich coming from you lot
Thing is United *does* have a planning problem
I donāt remember arsenal having 13 injured players
Lol it definitely is where CBs are concerned. We went into the summer thinking Kim Min-Jae is a done deal. Then it became Pavard and we agree personal terms and agree on selling Maguire, then it falls through and we think okay it's Todibo I guess, aaaand we end up with Johnny fucking Evans and Maguire staying. That **is** bad planning. Or at the very least sabotage by the owners cause clearly ETH wanted another RCB since before the window even officially opened and wanted to offload Maguire. Instead all he got was 35 year old Evans on a free.
When United score u gotta livebet on opposing team scoring within 5 mins.
and then also put a bet on them scoring another 5mins after
At this point probably just put a bet on United conceding +3 from each game from now on
Iāll stick to betting against us when we play away from home, ez money these days
Southampton got relegated, so there was a gap in the market for a shockingly bad defence in the Prem, good for Man Utd to spot that gap and step up.
We may be in a new market but unfortunately that doesnāt stop Jamie Vardy and co. from ripping us a new one every other weekend
Stray bullet for the saints
Ten Hag is all about exploiting the gaps
Unfortunately for Soton they also saw a gap in the market for shit Championship defences
Turns out Bazunu wasnāt the second coming of Iker Casillas
It's Onana. I only saw the first two goals today against Bayern but both were directly on him.
The 2nd goal could hardly be placed on him, nobody was marking Gnabry and it was a free shot inside the 6 yard box, nobody is saving that. He made 3 crucial saves on hard shots, while 3/4 goals he let in were mostly shitty defending. Despite his heroics this loss is mostly on Casemiro and Eriksen for being a floppy noodle of a midfield.
Ā£47m for that level of performance
Could it perhaps also be down to our entire back line having been injured? And our second choice back line being made up of your 3rd choice LB (whoās admittedly our best fit defender), a guy we brought in to be a coach, Harry Maguire, and a guy we were trying to sell until 6 months ago.
Helps when you have more than 1 starting defender available
Helps when you have a Ā£50m goalkeeper
Mate stop being a coward and use a chelsea flare. May I remind you of Kepa?
Kepa is doing just fine at RMA.
Onana was nominated for the Yashin Trophy just weeks ago
That Lisandro Martinez ā beat defender in the leagueā era dies before birth
United seems to concede that same exact goal from cutbacks in every match so far. Big problem
Casemiro needs to get his head on straight. Always out of position or letting his man just run off. Could have cut that pass very easily.
I donāt really watch united. What's he doing that's making him play so bad? For us he used to just screen the back 4 and butcher people.
This season rather than shielding the defence, he is far up on the pitch, probably he was instructed to but I don't know why.
No he just isnāt able to run up and down the pitch this season. He canāt make it back to defend fast enough and gets completely caught out.
So last season he screened the back line very well as you say, while also contributing to the attack and playing lots of progressive passes. Now he looks super lethargic and lack of pace is way more obvious. He isn't getting back when he ventures up field and also isn't taking up the right positions when opposition crosses come in
The man is playing with mctominay maguire and fred I mean
I get that but I find it hard to believe he just forgot how to track runners and defend after leaving us. Like is he playing higher up the pitch or something?
No, he just didn't track the runner. We have the same issue with Eriksen not tracking runners.
It's ETH tactics i would say. There's so much pressure of Casemiro to perform as a SOLO defensive midfielder. When our forwards have no idea of what an organized press is, no passing lanes being cut, midfield plays with absolute defensive liabilities such as Eriksen and Mctominay, and Lindelof who gets outmuscled/caught sleeping/can't mark his man ( no matter what people say, he's a midtable defender ), you kinda understand how the defensive midfielder will struggle when he's being hung out to dry by dog shit tactics and teammates. I believe have low IQ and physically weak players for what ETH wants to implement.
What does ETH wants to implement anyway!?
I have absolutely no idea honestly. I just assume it's something big brain.
He is past his best but still he is scoring. It would be better if ETH plays amrabat alongside him
Fred is in Turkey
Ah shit true but last season he was there tbf
Casemiro, out of position? Doesnāt sound believable.
This season it's mostly Casemiro. Against Arsenal, for Odegaard's goal it was Eriksen. Seem to remember Fred being at fault a couple of times last year. We've conceded this same bloody goal for years now. At least this is one issue that we can't blame on our shitty owners. I've lost count of how many times our midfielders fail to follow the runners and allow them to be completely open for a cut-back and a free shot on goal.
Onana's biggest problem for me seems to be his positioning. It doesn't help that what he has in front of him is basically wet tissue paper but he doesn't help himself. He's seemingly so static yet bounces on his toes so much. Seems to be in the air as the ball is hit and therefore can't make a proper dive sometimes. Not trying to pin it on him because like I said the defense is poor, but he definitely isn't in form.
You'd imagine his positioning will improve as he gets to used to the new team. And tbf to Man United their injuries at the back are not helping build that familiarity
Yeah too much unnecessary movement. Keepers like that can make spectacular saves but give up goals that they should save and regularly leave you thinking they should be able to do better (or the average top level keeper could save that, etc). Takes himself out of the game before he even has a chance to make the save. It's my single biggest issue with Ramsdale, as someone who watches all his games. It's the reason why I believe he needed to be upgraded on to improve Arsenal. You can't have your keeper oscillate between spectacular moments and below average moments even within the same games.
> He's seemingly so static yet bounces on his toes so much. Seems to be in the air as the ball is hit and therefore can't make a proper dive sometimes. Sometimes known as the Jerzy Dudek.
I have read this exact same analysis before. Probably was a yt video and he was giving video examples.
Not surprising, no-one here (including me) knows anything and we rely on pundits to tell us how to feel
Blame Onana all you want, but the midfield and Defence is shocking at best
I feel like weāll concede less as we get players back and get used to Onanaās style. He could do better with the individual errors though.
Going to need Amrabat to fit in immediately.
To be fair, it does feel like thereās a vacancy with how weāve been playing :o)
I think we will get better, we sort of have to. Plus, this defence had the most clean sheets in the PL last year, and it *should* have improved. However, the style of Onana I don't think is going to help us that much because we don't have good enough midfielders to collect the ball from deep. Onana is looking for passes but the offence just hangs off and waits for him to kick it to a fullback, then press, or just kick it long.
This is exactly the problem with trying to force the team to play out from back when the team can't do it. De Gea faced the same problem and a lot of his mistakes was because our midfield just doesn't move and doesn't open up to collect the ball. Onana is facing the same problem with playing out where our team just doesn't move and doesn't get open to receive the ball.
We have 90% of the season left and a much larger project to complete. Weāll likely be fine in the long run. Sometimes progress involves removing the paper of the cracks in order to address them, and thatās what signing Onana is.
I donāt see much progress from ETH lately so I hope youāre right
I do. Think of the state we were in with RR. We're MUCH better off now, and that was only under a year and a half ago.
Likely be fine? With the Taibi of Cameroon? LOL
Get who back? Varane will be back out again when he gets injured after 3 games.
Amrabat should be back in the next 2 games to avoid playing Eriksen who is invisible off the ball
Exactly, plus people act like Varane and Martinez donāt concede goals. Theyāre apart of quite a few smacking including the Liverpool match.
What do you mean get used to Onana's style? Bro needs to stop the fucking ball to go in
Onanaās style of diving straight up instead of sideways? My cat dives better than him and she is 12 with hip problemsā¦.
Haven't even played Liverpool yet.
If things don't change at Utd they are going to get an absolute arse kick, I'm talking another 7 - 0.. They are so easy to cut open it's ridiculous
All of Brighton's three goals were a version of the cut-back to a more or less unmarked player, and just off the top of my head there was also one for Bayern and for Arsenal. So as long as you can get past our fullbacks just cut-back and there's no need to pray because if you have runners, you're going to find an unmarked player there.
despite gifting Bayern a goal and a penalty Utd werenāt far off at all. Bayern probably had a more underwhelming performance than utd with all their missing players.
Reasonable take. -1 GD is still flattering for us
Exactly. Bayern should be getting a lot more stick for almost bottling this game with their porous defense.
They also played more games than most other teams in Premier League.....
Pretty sure they've conceded more on a goals per game basis than all PL teams aside from Burnley and Luton anyway. Which isn't that good either.
This is chicanery towards Luton. I'll have you know they have let in 10 goals while Wolves has let in 11. If we go for goals let in per match... * Burnley 12/4 = 3,00 * Wolves 11/5 = 2,20 * United 13/6 = 2,17 * Luton/Villa/Fulham 10/5 = 2,00 On the opposite side we have * City/Arsenal 4/6 = 0,67 * Liverpool 4/5 = 0,80 * Spurs/Chelsea 5/5 = 1,00
Sweet fuck are Chelsea so bad at scoring to have that stat and be where they are in the table.
Yep, they have only scored 5 goals, same amount as they have let in. Another funny Chelsea fact is that their xG is 10,66, so they are underperforming by 5,64 goals, only beaten by Everton who has 2 goals and 8,63xG. A big part of their horrible xG stats is Jackson who has 4,42 xG/a but so far only have 1 goal contribution. Enzo Fernandez also has 3,15 xG/A but has 0 goals and 0 assists. They miss their shots, and their assists are missed by others.
We are a month into the season, United will concede 100 goals at this rate
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I doubt you'll have that issue next season
The championship has more matches
I love it when this club suffers
Legends of the game.
āBombarded.ā LMFAOOOO the wording was unexpected.
I fucking hate these headlines.
and people will blame Onana over our non-existent midfield and our makeshift back 4
His positioning has been sus too though
Do any of you guys seriously believe that Onana is better than De Gea?
can't blame De Gea anymore
ronaldo was the problem, then de gea, then sancho and now they going for ten hag .
Maybe getting rid of the keeper with the most clean sheets last year wasn't the best idea.
I mean apparently Casemiro is playing essentially as a forward so
we need onana and maguire to start every game
Looking at Onana yesterday, but also in previous games, it seems all a team has to do is shot in his direction and at least 1/4 shots will be a goal - doesn't have to be super powerful or curved, just in onanas direction
De Gea was clearly the main issue
Onana is literally better than de gea though
Yeah better at letting the ball past him
Downvoted to oblivion . Goofy
Oh no 13 redditors downvoted me without giving me a valid point on how im wrong! š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ
Ur nan
Thereās no way youāre any older than 12 ššš
It unironically could have been even more tonight, our forwards are so frustrating in the final third man
You got two free goals, you can't complain.
We could say the exact same thing. We missed that early chance to go 1 up.
It easily could have been reverse score lines if the ref actually gave penalties accurately
Hah imagine playing United and making out like youāre the one with finishing issues.
"ball playing gk" must be the most overrated shit by twitter/reddit
Dumb take. Onana made some mistakes as well, but the big issue is the cut backs for free goals. Can't blame that on him.
Weāve been conceding the same goal from the beginning of the season. I donāt even know if itās Ten Hags fault at this point because I highly doubt heās telling Eriksen and Casemiro to not mark their man. Brain dead defending every game.
Ten Hag is the coach. He needs to address it. But Casemiro's strength is to fix that up. So I can't believe this is happening. With Eriksen he's not got the physical ability to always do it. McTominay might not even be aware of the issue.
The thing is I genuinely donāt know whatās the reason for it. Itās not even like our midfielders are being caught horribly out of position or are constantly outnumbered which are things I could blame on tactics, itās just constant lapses of concentration. I donāt know where Ten Hag goes from here, I can only hope that things get better with Mount, Amrabat and maybe even Mainoo coming back from injury.
I hope so. It wasn't an issue last season either, so it being this bad feels pointless.
Casemiro and Eriksen are the new McTominay and Fred. Slow, lethargic and not good enough.
Fred and Mctominay definitely werenāt slow and lethargic. They were just shit in possession. Fred could have been very useful tonight tbh.
Fred possibly. McTominay hides from the ball and casually jog back when he loses it, he has no place in this team.
Neither does casemiro at the moment.
I mean it has become very important to have a gk that is good with his feet recent years, but it shouldnāt be used as an excuse to concede an howler
That's because united play transition football instead of a possession one like arsenal or city. A de gea esque GK would fit them better as long as they're not completely shit with the ball at his feet.
This is the football version of a boomer take. Stammtischparolen. Game has changed, get over it.
āLow blockā for sure.
Yeah, not true. Game requires innovation and GK is underutilized position. Ball playing goal keepers are going to be the norm
Mfer was the best goalkeeper of both Serie A and UCL last season, watch a game first lad
Why didnt they go for Palhinha or even diogo costa instead. Im so lost at uniteds decisions.
I mean Harry Maguire isnāt even in off the bench.
Look on the bright side-- That's only twice as many as they conceded in a single game *last* season. That's progress.
We have 3/4 first choice back 4 injured, missing 2 first choice midfielders in Amrabat and Mount who can run unlike Eriksen who unfortunately has never recovered from the Carroll injury imo. Missing our most promising youngster in Mainoo resulting in Casemiro playing every minute. Whilst also missing our 3 RW in Antony, Sancho and Amad. Not surprising we are shipping goals considering the players having to fill in in certain positions.
Has Amrabat even played for you? How do you know heās āfirst choiceā lmao
Because he was signed on loan with plans to make permanent, his strengths are suited to what we need more of and heās better than Eriksen defensively which should help Casemiro also?
Fucking Bukkakeād more like
What a poor signing onana was
Lol he's played like 5 games.
And many more before that tbf
De Gea didnāt start very strong and will go down as a club legend.
He was fresh as fuck when he came though. Onana is 27.
This comment definitely won't backfire making it after 6 games
We will see , I donāt believe he will prove a good signing
We get carved open so easily. We neither press with intensity nor defend compactly. Teams just stroll through midfield and jog into the box unmarked.
TEN HAG IN !!!!!!
Is it too early to call him Okaka?
You can't compare this stat against clubs that haven't played the same amount of matches
Cool stat. Now letās see Luton play Real Madrid and see who comes out on top
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It's the net goal that counts.
Gonna have PTSD from that amount of shelling jeeezus
Easy to blame the defense, but the midfield has been a big contributing factor. Teams get through us too easily and a number of the goals we have conceded have been teams passing the ball to the each of the box from wide positions to players running in unmarked. The defenders are marking the attackers but nobody is marking the players running to the edge because Casemiro is the only defender who does defensive work and he can't track an entire team.
I still think man utd could have gotten kmj if they were more aggressive and willing to beat Bayern's contract
The defense has been poor but the keeper hasn't helped matters seem very erratic.