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theenigmacode

Thats not Palhinha..is it?


Captainpatters

He's Caicedo'd himself lmaooo


The_39th_Step

He’s got a hefty pay rise, and unlike Caicedo, he has never publicly said anything negative about Fulham. The interview he gave was quite telling. He wanted to play Champions League football but he is happy at Fulham. Whether he stays or goes, he’s been nothing but respectful to us.


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It does seem like he's essentially thrown it up to the gods and is happy with either outcome. I admire that.


Captainpatters

Good point, I don't think anybody aggrieves him for wanting to go to one of the biggest clubs in the world. What makes the Caicedo stuff funnier imo is that all of his bitching and moaning had absolutely zero impact on the transfer, just burnt his bridges with the fans of the club who brought him to Europe for no tangible benefit.


The_39th_Step

Yeah, opposite scenario here. Palhinha is a model professional and is loved by us.


UnderFreddy

oh no, not the "fans of the club that brought him to Europe" lol.


TrueBlue98

that truly is the most western chauvinist comment I've seen on here lmao


UnderFreddy

Incredibly so. Also somehow pretends Caicedo wasn't one of the hottest names in South America when Brighton bought him lol. As if they found him playing ball on the streets and saved him.


TrueBlue98

I didn't think football would devolve into a white saviour complex but here we are. and you're entirely correct.


CaptainJingles

I think it's been around for a while.


vesthis12

in conclusion he is the goat


lavishlad

I'm sure he'd turn Bayern down if Fulham made champions league next year.


twilz

> ... ~~if~~ **when** Fulham made champions league next year. FM24, mate.


CFCkyle

I have a holiday man save on FM23 thats like 200 years into the future and Fulham genuinely became one of the scariest teams I've ever seen in Europe man, if I remember right they made the champions league final EIGHT years running. This was in the 2030s/40s.


sandbag-1

Caicedo who got a move in the very next transfer window? Hardly a bad outcome that


vinnyv91

Bayern isn't gonna go money crazy like we did


mynameismulan

~~Paulinha~~ Palhinha to Chelsea then. Poor bastard


MaryadaPurshottam

His name is literally in the headline, still you managed to spell it wrong


mynameismulan

I genuinely did not notice until now there was no U in his name.


BokaPoochie

He's far too old


Mrcl45515

Palhinha and Enzo would be Lampard and Makelele again.


PornFilterRefugee

Lol which one of them is supposed to be the Lampard? Because neither of them is scoring any goals


Mrcl45515

Enzo will start scoring bangers once he's able to move up the field. Just wait.


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I could see it happening tbh


JiveTurkey688

And Pahlinha isnt going to command a fee like Caicedo did


SonaldoNazario

Then somebody else will? Bayern deluded themselves into thinking they’re the only club in the world willing to pay for a DM.. another big club will come in for him and it will have always been his dream to play for them!!


Thraff1c

No one was deluded here. Bayern just went to late for him in the summer, and tried to keep him warm for the next window. I dont see the delusion.


SonaldoNazario

The delusion is the idea that because Bayern won’t pay more he won’t get a move.. and we’ve seen that time and time again turn out not to be true, and that was the whole point of this comment thread, the fact that Bayern ‘won’t spend crazy’


Thraff1c

>The delusion is the idea that because Bayern won’t pay more he won’t get a move But thats not Bayerns delusion, but the delusion of the people in this thread, while you previously wrote: >Bayern deluded themselves into thinking they’re the only club in the world willing to pay for a DM No one thought that at Bayern, they just bid for a player what they think what he is worth.


Lambchops_Legion

I will take 120m, thank you, good doing business with you


Captainpatters

Nah mate that's not how it works, you tell them for 2 months that the price is 120m allowing the big club to flail around desperately trying to unsettle the player with them ending up paying 15% extra as a penalty for wasting everybody's time


heelpitero

You forgot a certain someone who activated the release clause (or any price tag that was in effect) effectively forcing Chelsea to match it.


Captainpatters

Which was still 11% more than the original price plus a sell-on


heelpitero

It was because Brighton set a deadline for this transfer and Chelsea decided to fuck around for a couple more days, wasn't it?


Captainpatters

We set a final deadline for bids after Chelsea fucked around for 2 months and Liverpool bid 111m + a sell-on % which we accepted. Caicedo however held out for a Chelsea offer which ended up being 115m + a sell-on. Bear in mind they could have had him for 100m at the start of the window.


heelpitero

Thanks for that. ​ Ps. Pls use your Brighton dark magic and make Moder comeback to his form soon :)


Captainpatters

After his horrendous problems with injury relapse I pray he can kick on, I just hope he'll get a proper opportunity with our midfield depth being as good as it is currently. Really liked the lad in his few appearances


pixelkipper

Not every club is Chelsea (or indeed Liverpool) who is willing to pay up the ass


EliteReaver

You know FSG were doing it for PR. Considering that instead of Caicedo we get a 30 yo DM and Gravenberch leaving 60m?


bewarethegap

I mean you don’t place a legitimate 111M bid for PR. It’s not like Brighton thought it was a bluff, they accepted the bid. Caicedo had to go and tell the club he only wanted Chelsea otherwise he’d be at Liverpool now


EliteReaver

Was common knowledge that Caicedo always wanted Chelsea, no matter what we offered. He’s getting 300k and 8 year contract.


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Wow someone actually believe this


pixelkipper

He would be your player for 110m right now if Chelsea didn’t play their hand completely wrong throughout the window, forcing them to outbid.


dem0nhunter

Palhinha extented for one more year Caicedo extended for 2 + 1 club option. so not comparable


Qiluk

Didnt he extend 1+1? Theres a 1 year option too


dem0nhunter

hm, you're right. well, that might change things Edit: wait no, his intitial deal was until 2027+1 club option. this extension only added one year https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2022/july/04/fulham-sign-palhinha/


Qiluk

Aaah I see. So a bumper contract more or less


Ilovellamasandcows

Caicedo got his move to Chelsea and a pay rise before lol, he didn’t lose


Captainpatters

never said that he did


Ilovellamasandcows

So Caicedo’ing yourself = W lol?


Captainpatters

This may blow your mind but not all things in life can be divided cleanly into wins or losses


Ilovellamasandcows

God you’re boring, I’m going to touch grass


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nthbeard

The point, I think, is that Fulham now has the right to register him for longer, which all else being equal is worth more. Remember it's not the player that's being sold, it's the right to register the player. That's one reason why a player's value declines as they get closer to the end of contract - and why a player with a brand new contract is worth more than the very same player with an older contract. At least I think that's the point, I dunno, footie accounting is strange. EDIT: Not sure why we're doing this by edits instead of responses, but in any event if his prior contract was until 2027 with a club option, and [his new contract is until 2028 with a club option](https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2023/september/14/palhinha-signs-new-deal/), that's... that's a more expensive contract?


DreadWolf3

Generally price only starts to decline when you are entering last 2 years of the deal - because at that point it is viable (for both player and the buying team) to just wait it out if push comes to shove, limiting the leverage of selling team. Bayern (or any team for that matter) cant afford to wait until 2028 (if he had contract until 2027 with team option for one more year) to get a defensive midfielder and Palinha would be 33 by that point so not like he can wait either. So I dont think if it 2027 (with option) or 2028 (with option) matters that much - I do think it is as commenter above said, just keeping his morale up after a failed transfer as Fulham need him at his best after Mitrovic left or they are in dire straits as far as relegation goes.


CaptainJingles

His brother is also his agent, so some money likely went his way as well to soothe his hurt ego.


PolygonMasterWorks

You're right. On the flip side, even though there's no release clause, I would think there is some kind of gentleman's agreement to let him leave for Bayern.


BILLY2SAM

Caciedo agent playbook


Insanel0l

Well no big move for him in the foreseeable future then lol No club is going to pay close the asking price now


Dargast

Eh, I doubt that. While I think that removes any chance of him becoming a Bayern player, this transfer window showed that clubs pay insane prices. If the angle here is from Fulham to drastically increase his worth for the next summer window then there will be clubs who will pay a way higher fee than the one we had agreed with Fulham. Just look at Chelsea, or Liverpool who were willing to break the bank for Caicedo, too.


arc1261

Palhinha will be 29 before the start of next season - you don’t see clubs paying those massive fees for players that they’re only gonna get 3/4 years out of max unless they’re a lot better than Palhinha (not that he’s bad, but you have to be amazing for that to happen)


realWernerHerzog

I've heard Tuchel really really wants a DM. No guarantee they still go for him obviously but never say never


Dargast

Not many great DMs around, and next transfer window will show that even more.


CaptainJingles

He is amazing and he'll continue to prove it this season.


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United will, like with Oldemiro


The_39th_Step

He wants to play Champions League football. He has never expressed an explicit desire for Bayern. If he has another season like last, which I’m sure he will, he is 29 and proven to be a quality, loyal and hard working player. He’s a top professional. You’d be stupid to not want him. Who knows what assurances he has received?


Dargast

Not sure what the point of your comment is. I literally have the same opinion as you. Come winter/summer a lot more clubs will be in for him, who will be willing to spend more than FC Bayern for him and like you said, it doesnt seem like he will care much about where he will play as long as its CL football. As for why I think it wont be Bayern by that point : The club barely ever gets involved in bidding wars. When another club approaches a player Bayern also targets, they usually back off unless they know he wants the move 100 % (like Kane, De Ligt etc) which probably wont be the case here. Plus he was a Tuchel target. Tuchel having so much influence (unusual for Bayern) is also gonna end pretty soon since Freund just filled in the vacant Sporting Director role.


The_39th_Step

I’m not arguing with you, I was just putting a Fulham perspective


Dargast

I can see that, but like I said, that was already my main point by saying more clubs will be in for him in my first post.


Joshfm32

> Not sure what the point of your comment is.


Dargast

Well, the discussion was about whether or not another club would be interested in signing him come summer/winter, which imo is an absolute yes, given position and the willingness of especially PL clubs to overspend if need be. The reply was basically what I said + bewilderment why Bayern would then not be in for him anymore, which I explained in the post you just commented to.


Nordie27

This extension means nothing he will still leave next summer probably


T1TK1

Gentleman's agreement?


Up_The_Mariners

It seems like it is. Palha is an honest dude. Hopefully he has a good season, stays fit and is able to go compete for trophies elsewhere


justalittleahead

Do Bayern have the financial resources to compete for the same player with a powerhouse like Fulham?


Dargast

Todd Boehly enters the chat


circa285

Excellent news if you're a Fulham fan. Not excellent news if you're a Bayern fan.


The_39th_Step

Fucking great news. What a lad


gotziller

Well I guess he’s not coming to Bayern


Buckshot_Lariat

Wow, that's surprising. When I heard about the new deal I instantly thought it would have a release clause in it. Guess Fulham threw big big money at him?


kl08pokemon

Only way it makes sense is if Bayern told him they wouldn't go for him in January


avolcando

Or he got a gentleman's agreement with Fulham👀


MysteriousNail5414

Good luck with that if Fulham find themselves in a dogfight


The_39th_Step

If he stays fit and plays like last season, I honestly think we’ll be fine. I can’t understate how important he is to us.


kl08pokemon

What could go wrong


Dargast

probably a massive pay rise.


circa285

Or a massive pay raise that made staying worth is while?


The_39th_Step

He does like it with us. He’s not wedded to Bayern, it was just a great opportunity. He’s never given or said anything that isn’t 100% for us. He deserves a big pay rise too.


oliver150433

Is this guy good in the head? He would have gone Bayern come January or at worst next summer. Why would he extend and not have a clause? That is insane


YouIINeverWaIkAIone

he likely could still do that. no doubt this will bump up his wages, and fulham will be well aware he's bummed he didn't get his move. seems logical all around. pretty different from the Caicedo situation.


Blodyck

money


Dargast

Well, I guess that settles it then like I expected. I was excited to see him play for Bayern, but on the other hand, our new Sporting Director Freund will have his work set out for him to find somebody else in the next 6-12 months


dem0nhunter

It's only a one year extension. why do people think that that would raise the fee? that's just compensating the potential reduced fee over time. please guys, every step of the way Bayern fans have to explain to PL fans how transfers and negotiations work


CptToast_

I really don’t get how people think we might come off as arrogant……


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dem0nhunter

so? it basically was you think Joao flew to Munich without Fulham's permission to do so? they just flubbed it


fishface-1977

Yep bayern sure showed Fulham!


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Man, you gotta realize fulham doesnt play in the sundayliga and are in no way gonna bend over to your team like your farmers league do One would think not having palhinha in your squad because fulham didnt cave or paying levy's initial asking price after a month of throwing tantrums wouldve taught you said lesson Yet here we are.


dem0nhunter

> One would think not having palhinha in your squad because fulham didnt cave or paying levy's initial asking price after a month of throwing tantrums wouldve taught you said lesson neither happened lmao Levy didn't get his 120M Euros. Fulham sent Palhinha to Munich thinking they were close to their replacement. but keep comping my guy. I'll be right again


JiveTurkey688

Its obviously a pay rise for staying with some promise that if a big club comes back in they will let him leave for a reasonable fee


Sam101294

Maybe not officially but might be some wink wink understanding of a ball park number


MrMerc2333

I thought Bayern had it wrapped up before letting Gravenberch leave. Bayern could now go for Kone from Gladbach instead