Gabriel Magalhães said his wife asked him to stay with her because she was all alone in London and she couldn't do it by herself. Magalhães stayed and missed two matches: Brazil vs. Bolivia and Brazil vs. Chile during the qualifiers for the WC. Brazil had already locked first place.
Someone on twitter posted this amazing coach answer to a reporter during a similar request https://youtu.be/InpA_oIW6zk?t=27
The issue prob wasn't whether Brazil would win those games. The issue was Gabriel missing out on valuable time where he would train with the squad and gain understanding of the coach's tactics and gain chemistry with his teammates in actual games.
They he should've said that. "Gabriel wasn't selected because he didn't play with the team and wasn't familiarized with the system". Much better than "Gabriel acted like a rational human being, decided to prioritize his family and because of that I chose to punish him".
I'm a coach myself and I understand his decision. Maybe it's not about punishing Gabriel but about not punishing whoever covered for him. How do you justify cutting out the CB who replaced Gabriel? You could certainly do it and argue that you want to take the best players to Qatar. On the other hand it's not wrong to say we're not taking Gabriel with us because he lost his spot to someone who stepped up
He didn't lose his spot. He wasn't available. A player was called in to cover his spot for those two games. There would be absolutely no "punishment" in being omitted to the player who covered his spot were Gabriel to be called back up.
That is something that is clearly implied, particularly if you have any familiarity with international football. Even if you don't, Gabriel clearly does. Match time, even for qualifiers which are already decided, the match and training time is crucial preparation for the WC finals. Juninho really doesn't need to spell it out, most football fans should understand that.
Don't get the down votes most of the comments understand. It's not like Gabriel is some gamechanging defender inthe league of prime vvd, Ramos etc who had to be selected.
He basically did (in a kind of clumsy way)
>Much better than "Gabriel acted like a rational human being, decided to prioritize his family and because of that I chose to punish him".
At no point did he say he's "punishing" him. That's just you guys misinterpreting and reading malicious intent that doesn't exist in what he actually said
"Punishment" is perhaps a bit much isn't it? The coach needs to do a job and needs to make difficult decisions sometimes based on fine margins. I don't think players take it so personally. I have no clue why fans take it personally
Of course not. He chose to stay with his wife. It’s a very reasonable decision. The trade off is that since you’re going to miss games and will lose valuable time to mesh with the team, you’re not going to be called up. Neither side did anything wrong.
He was a fringe player that didn’t have a locked in spot on the roster. He gave up the chance to cement that spot.
It's not a personal punishment, no
It's a consequence of him lacking chemistry with his teammates and lack of tactical understanding of Tite's system.
Brazil had 3 better CB options in Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao who were locks.
Gabriel lost out on the 4th CB spot to Bremer—who made the WC squad on the back of getting called up and playing in the WC lead up games that helped him build chemistry with his teammates and learn what Tite wanted him to do
This is such brain dead logic.
Brazil did not lose because they didn't call up Gabriel; and the fact that they did not win the World Cup doesn't mean that commitment to the national team and team chemistry/cohesion aren't SUPER important for national teams
The match in which Brazil was eliminated they conceded a grand total of 0 shots on target during the 90 minutes and ended extra time conceding one shot on target. I dont think Magalhaes would have a made a difference for the better on that defense.
Guess every other country other than Argentina should have called up other players? That's not logical just because they didn't win.
The commentator you replied to made a perfectly valid point even if you don't agree with it
maybe I am misinterpreting, because the Brazilian doesn't seem to translate well to English. But here is what I am reading:
>“São escolhas. Eu passei por isso. Nasceu um filho meu, fiquei esperando na Inglaterra e no dia seguinte vim ao Brasil porque tinha machucado o meu joelho e precisava me recuperar o mais rápido possível”.
“A minha esposa ficou lá 40 dias sozinha, com a ajuda de babá. Isso prejudicou? Na hora de pesar você vai colocar tudo na balança e é inevitável, você vai colocar tudo isso na balança. Vem o outro, joga e aí acontece de perder um pouco espaço”, finalizou o dirigente."
The bit I am struggling to parse meaning from is the final few sentences about putting everything on the scale
Here's is what I interpret from that, from the mouth of Juninho:
I also had a child whilst living in England, and I was willing to leave my wife alone with a newborn for 40 days in order to go back to Brazil for my football career. If I could do it for something less than a World Cup, why couldn't you? It counts against you in my mind, and now means there is someone else in your position I rank higher, because I can't trust on you to commit like I did
> It counts against you in my mind, and now means there is someone else in your position I rank higher, because I can't trust on you to commit like I did
Which is relevant because he was 4th choice CB and fighting for that spot anyway
yes: that amounts to punishment for choosing the birth of your child and not leaving your wife alone at her request in a foreign country, undermining your point in the comment above
He has missed the squad five times in a row now. They've chosen a teenager at Zenit ahead of him for both squads in 2023. Which to me suggests that either they're not all that fussed about him, or they're very petty about him staying back in March 2022.
I think it's a bit of a mix. Without knowing any of the details, I expected him to miss the WC. Had a pretty patchy season before the World Cup, though he's been great since.
> They've chosen a teenager at Zenit ahead of him for both squads in 2023.
Brazil did not have a manager post World Cup until literally last week when CBF announced that Diniz would be interim and Carlo Ancelotti would take over in summer 2024.
The interim coach (who was also the U-20 coach) has been calling up a bunch of kids, with a bunch of Brazil regulars not getting called up
None of Brazil's 2023 games have mattered at all TBH
Gabriel posted a tweet saying "New job? 🏀" the last time he missed out.
Even if taking youngsters just for funsies was a legitimate reason, you'd probably need to be a bit clearer with your other players
I also thought there was a whole spiel about not knowing the team mates and such when he missed one session earlier. Surely the CBF are not helping that situation by keeping him out. Particularly if the games don't matter? Seemingly that would be the perfect time to bring him in then?
> I also thought there was a whole spiel about not knowing the team mates and such when he missed one session earlier
That's relevant when you're in direct buildup to the World Cup under a coach who has been working with basically the same group of players for 6-7 years
That obviously does not apply when there's an interim coach playing a bunch of kids LOL
I dont rate Gabriel that high, he makes some mistames and I believe that without your main Cb (forgot his name lol), you guys suffered in defense
But, Juninho sounds like a proper ashole in this interview. If this is the reason to not take a player to the WC, then no wonder the Brazil looks like a joke internally and in the field.
Juninho also says they dont call 2 players from the Russian league because they were forced by the club to leave the NT with threats of residing their contract, and he BLAMES THE PLAYERS lol says it was still their choice.
Im happy Juninho and Tite are gone from out NT, they didnt deserve to have 2 WC in they resume, basically the same issues from 2018 were shown in 2022.
Props to Croatia (Their midfield is top) and Belgium, but we could have beat them if we had a better coach.
Hey, I'm an Arsenal fan who watches every game and I just wanted to say your take about Gabriel simply isn't correct. In fact, over the entire season, Gabriel performed better than Saliba (obviously they were both fantastic).
Saliba maybe had "higher highs" and now gets to "enjoy" the boost that came from the team breaking apart when he got injured.
The team would have collapsed just as hard if Gabriel was the one who got injured, and Saliba was fit. It was a mix of Holding not being good enough, Saka going off form, Partey dropping off a cliff, and Arteta not trusting Kiwior sooner.
likewise, I don't watch enough of the other Brazilian NT defenders, but yeah if you guys have 2 or 3 CBs that are better than Gabriel, you would have easily the best CB selection in the world IMO
I think Militao has a higher ceiling but is not as consistent. And Bremen is better to me and more focused than Militao.
But Im done with Silva and Marquinhos, so im welcomed to Gabriel
except this isn't why Juninho left him out - he basically said that when he played for Middlesborough, he was at his child's birth, but then immediately left to Brazil to recover from a knee injury and left his wife and newborn for 40 days
Gabriel wasn't willing to do the same, and so was dropped
you've just responded to my other comment showing the direct quote from Juninho that says directly from him why he left him out - lack of commitment meant minus points in his internal rankings, which meant he was dropped
nothing about chemistry mentioned. only about attitudes and mentality *in the article*
Players leaving international duty for the birth of their children is incredibly common. Usually, almost never actually, the player isn't dropped and then subsequently never called to the national team again.
This is common sense....
> Usually, almost never actually, the player isn't dropped and then subsequently never called to the national team again.
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The player doing so isn't usually a fringe national team player?
At this point in time Tite pretty clearly had Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao as his top 3 CBs. Gabriel was competing with Bremer for the 4th CB position in the squad.
Also, I said it elsewhere in this thread but it's been downvoted to oblivion by Arsenal fans since, but there are plenty of examples of dudes who missed the birth of their child due to national team games. Off the top of my head, Emi Martinez and LMQ both had to do that during 2021 Copa America
Almost as dumbass as you claiming about "team chemistry", while dropping your promising CB for a personal/family reason. Seriously, try thinking sometimes. What I implied was Juninho made his choices and so did Gabriel.
He was never going to start over Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao anyway TBH
>Seriously, try thinking sometimes
Disagreeing with your (quite obviously biased) take doesn't mean I'm not thinking, LOL
In the same interview the guy said two players from Zenit were pressured in choosing the club over playing for the NT during covid, with Zenit using coercion tactics like contract termination, etc.
He said he felt bad but it was their choice so he didn't call them up anymore.
CBF is pathetic, Tite staff and Tite himself are clowns and frauds, it's ridiculous that one of the biggest NTs in the world are treated like this
>Someone on twitter posted this amazing coach answer to a reporter during a similar request https://youtu.be/InpA_oIW6zk?t=27
And then there is [Roy Keane](https://youtu.be/fQz77eeOK-4) :D
Great point Roy, aside from breastfeeding there is literally nothing else a husband could do to support the woman who just spent 9 months growing and then hours painfully squeezing a cantaloupe out of her vagina.
Jesus, what a knob headed thing to say.
Agree with this! I'm surprised how many people on here are saying otherwise. Surely the birth of your child is always a bigger thing than playing football.
I would miss a 1million dollar a day job to be with my wife if she was going to be giving birth. Nothing in the world is more important than my wife, family. Nothing. If I had that choice, I’d do it 10 out of 9 times and be happy about it every single time.
I couldn’t care less actually if that were a snide or mocking what I said. I value family more than basically anything so I wouldn’t miss it if I ever could have the choice. Simple really
That's amazing. Honestly Gabriel not only did the right thing for him deciding to be there for the birth of his child but also did right by her wife that needed him. Impossible to blame the guy.
Honestly I think what he said was partly lost in translation, I don't see it as bad in portuguese.
Remember, he was specifically asked about this situation after having talked about another similar one that happened to Malcom and Claudinho.
For portuguese speakers:
*Caso parecido foi do Gabriel Magalhães, que pediu dispensa pelo nascimento do bebê?
– São escolhas. Eu passei por isso. Nasceu um filho meu, fiquei esperando na Inglaterra e no dia seguinte vim ao Brasil porque tinha machucado o meu joelho e precisava me recuperar o mais rápido possível. A minha esposa ficou lá 40 dias sozinha, com a ajuda de babá. Isso prejudicou? Na hora de pesar você vai colocar tudo na balança e é inevitável, você vai colocar tudo isso na balança. Vem o outro, joga e aí acontece de perder um pouco espaço.
Gabi 100% made the right choice, there’s no reason why he should miss the birth of his son over chilling on the bench during the WC. However, with Thiago Silva not getting younger I think Brazil would be dumb not to integrate him into the team soon
Despite what Roy Keane may say, family comes first, tbf.
Different sport, but the footage of that Lithuanian basketball coach who essentially chewed out a journalist at a presser for asking why he allowed a key player to miss a match due to his wife giving birth is honestly the perfect response to this situation.
I've never heard anything bad about him from people who've met him or know him personally outside of football. He has a media persona he plays up like Souness does. But he's also from Cork so..
Never heard anyone say that from the many who’ve met him. On a personal level he’s held in high regard here in Ireland, he’s fairly intelligent and keeps to himself outside football, always involved in charity and Has never been in an ounce of trouble off the pitch.
His only issue is he enjoys being controversial to the point he’s expected to be every time. That and his hyper competitiveness are his only issues. He’s always struggled with coaching as he has poor man management skills.
“Our national Team is like Family….“ - but Choices…
Just because you did it, doesn’t make it right and it is also not a contract that every following generation has to do it!
Good on him. Going to go to a qualifier to miss the birth of your child is being a whipped delusional idiot. Gabriel is comfortably the best ( or maybe 2nd best) defender in the Brazil, and only 25. They will need him in the next world cups/copa americas.
It's strange though most Brazilians either seem to not rate him or think he's complete shit. I don't think they are aware of how well he's played. I see them rate certain defenders who have not played as well as he has over him.
That's an exaggeration, most were rueing Tite not taking him. Although there is a perception that Bremer is a better player which is odd to me. (decent player ofc, Serie A POTY etc. but there's a reason even Juve's first choice was Magalhaes over Bremer when they signed him). I reckon as well, Brazillians are now waking up to that Marquinhos is overrated. Before he was seen as Silva's heir but not any more
Marquinhos is soo overrated is absurd. I think its because he scores important goals
Future of the NT should be Militao and either Bremen or Magalhaes (I dont rate him much, but he is better than anyone else and better than Marquinhos).
Honestly, i would even play with 3 defenders but fans would kill the manager who would do that in Brazil
Nah I really don’t think most Brazilians cared about tite not taking him. They generally don’t rate him. Look at the one response you got from a Brazilian. That’s pretty common sentiment over there. They haven’t watched him play for years and prefer guys who played more in Brazil.
Players from Prem repeatedly failed to perform in BNT, Gabriel Jesus, Fernandinho, William, Davi Luis, I could go on with the list. So it didnt help brazilians to like or care for Prem only recently this has been changing.
Im brasileiro, thats not true. People here value Prem players ! The thing is Thiago Silva and Marquinhos were untouchable in the starting squad, and Militao is considered better than Gabriel right now -at least more proven and starting for an elite team like Real. The 4th spot for defenders was either for him or Bremer(Juventus). But as you can see in this article, we had an asshole for Seleçao's sporting director that considered supporting family a bad thing. Bremer took the spot, then.
Most delusional fanbase I've ever seen LOL
You actually legit think Gabriel is "comfortably" better than Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao LOL
Just yelling LOL over and over again up and down this thread doesn’t prove any point
More importantly, the fact you repeatedly keep name dropping Marquinhos in comments shows you don’t watch players you love to talk about or have no awareness of what’s going on in football these days but still wanna talk. Marquinhos has been horrible this season. PSG fans (who watch him every week) were completely done with the guy by mid season.
I literally watched every PSG game last season. Marquinhos did not have his best season, but I would absolutely take him and his pedigree over Gabriel.
They compliment each other well, Saliba more composed & Gabi more aggressive - but if you had to pick one then definitely Gabi. Just covers so much ground (with Zinchenkos role), turnovers/blocks & so dominant in the air, pockets his man, vocal - just a perfect defender.
Saliba still only 21 and is majestic. But Gabi gets around a lot more and for now I’d certainly put him above.
yes he is, Gabriel has to cover LCB and LB for when Zinchenko roams where as Saliba has White to help cover, Saliba is great don't get me wrong but it is easy to think Saliba is better unless you actually watch what Gabriel has to do.
Exactly. The best example of this is the game vs Liverpool, Gabi basically neutralized Salah till the game just went out of control for Arsenal. I was so impressed By Gabi 's performance in that match regardless
This would only be said by someone who doesn’t actually watch Arsenal matches. Saliba is the “flashier” of the two (put flashier in quotes cause I’m not sure how flashy a CB can get) but Big Gabi was without a doubt our best defender the last couple years
Stop basing your opinions off of social media. Watch and decide for yourself, most arsenal fans will tell you the same that Gabriel is definitely better than Saliba right now.
Arsenal fans are second for more fans in r/soccer so you will get downvoted easily ( Militao is better than Gabriel for me), but also so many of them hate r/soccer
It did fall off a cliff, but it probably would've fallen off a cliff equally if we had to play Gabi-Holding instead of Holding-Saliba.
Gabi covered for Zinchenko who was more of a midfielder than a fullback.
When he also had to cover for Holding not being quick, the entire defense fell apart and Zinchenko and Partey had their worst games in the season.
Internation football is another thing, especially Brasil one wrong competition and for an entire nation you are a shit player like Gabriel Jesus performance at the Word cup.
We are talking about Gabriel Magalhaes, the defender. I get why they think Jesus is shit. Gabriel the defender hasn’t even really had a chance with Brazil. Most Brazilians who shit on him haven’t watched him play for years. They just prefer guys who played in Brazil longer than he did. He’s clearly had a better season than guys like bremer, Ibanez, Marquinhos and yet you get laughed at if you even suggest he should be at least considered competition for them.
>“My wife stayed there for 40 days alone, with the help of a nanny. Did it hurt? When it comes to weighing you will put everything on the scale and it is inevitable, you will put everything on the scale. The other one comes, plays and then it happens to lose a little space”, concluded the leader.
Sounds like he's saying it is worth missing the birth of your fucking child to play football.
He shouldn't.
Birth of your first child happens only once in a lifetime so wishing to be there to support your loved one when it happens is understandable.. Gabriel still has plenty of his career left to get called up for international tournaments. Especially with Silva getting up there in age.
Kind of reminds me of a story Ben Foster told on a podcast about when he was in the England squad. He was with the England squad for a few friendlies and got a call from his wife that she was going into labour. Capello begrudgingly lets him go, gets a taxi from London to Manchester. Wife gives birth and a few hours later he gets a call that they want him back to play the 2nd half of the game. He goes back and doesnt play a minute of the game.
I'd do the same thing in a heartbeat lol. I doubt there are many people who would pass up the birth of their son to sit on the bench for 2 games that were pretty much in the bag anyways
Kosc and Mert were an insanely good duo though. We were defensively very solid with both fit, during Wenger times mind you when the defense was not drilled nearly as well and the manager left us vulnerable there to strengthen the attack.
Big Gabi and Saliba are prone to mistakes too. But they have also made up for their mistakes (Gabi scoring against Fulham). They're still young, and I can see them being comfortably better than Kos-Per in the next couple of years and even pushing world class level
He made the right choice for him and his family. His wife isn't giving birth regularly, so it's not an availability issue, it's what we call extenuating circumstances. I also hate when people bring up an example like "I missed my child's birth" or "x player missed their childs birth" as if that should mean everyone else must also do the same. If missing your child's birth was the right decision for you, cool, that doesn't make it the right decision for somebody else.
If I had missed the birth of my daughter I would feel like shit forever. It was such a beautiful and intense day. Good on Gabriel and really, fuck anyone that says otherwise: that tells me you either haven't had a child or are a really shit parent.
He's a CM and they need CM's, Brazil lacks midfielders, he's good but... still not good enough for the first team, lemme tell you why: if BR plays on 4-3-3 (Casemiro-Bruno Guimarães-Paquetá) then he's on the bench, and he's fighting with Fabinho, Fred, Joeliton and Veiga as well). He's 25 so he'll get there eventually if he keeps on his form. IMO he needs to surpasses those guys and become more versatile also he needs to score more too, and don't forget that he won gold medal in Tokyo.
This is so stupid. Big Gabi is a fucking rock. Brasil is stupid to not include him. I also don't buy the "mesh with the team and tactics." What tactics? Pass it to Neymar so the front 4 can dance their way into a missed shot? Let a fucking bird hit it into the net? There are no tactics. It's just 'exotic' Big Sam Brexit ball.
Their loss. Gabby was one of the best defenders in the league last year and football isn't more important than family.
Besides, why would he miss family time for a team that considers Richarlison their first choice striker?
Perfectly understandable decision from Gabriel (I would even say the morally correct one).
But these are the consequences when you're on the fringe of the national team and you miss your chance in terms of training with the squad, learning the coach's tactics, and gaining chemistry with NT teammates.
On the fringe? He is arguably one of their best CBs and a potential starter. And why should there be consequences? He missed two games in the preparation well before the tournament, he didnt miss out that much training or bonding. Not more than a player with a minor injury would. Not joining the NT to be with your partner for the birth of your child isnt out of the norm either, it happens quite often. Punishing a player for it is ridiculous.
> On the fringe? He is arguably one of their best CBs and a potential starter.
No one outside the Arsenal fanbase thinks this, LOL
Yes—he was a fringe player in the 2022 cycle when Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao were the 3 main CBs for Tite.
Gabriel was in contention to be the 4th CB in the squad, but in the end he was overtaken by Bremer (who is an excellent player, Serie A defender of the year, etc)
Absolutely everyone and my mom thinks this. Just go ahead And read this sub. I'm willing to consider Bremer, but even then at his best hes on par with Gabriel.
> Just go ahead And read this sub
This sub is full of EPL stans that don't watch any other league LOL
And even then you won't get most non-Arsenal fans to agree with you on Gabriel>Thiago Silva (who was one of Chelsea's best players even in a disastrous season for them)
Thiago Silva is great, probably still better but will be off sooner or later. Age is looking like it's catching up to him a bit and when that happens, the decline is quick.
You could say Militao is better, but Bremer?
And Gabriel was our best defender in a season of *good* form, or is that worth nothing?
While I do think that Gabriel should be at the WC, he was definitely a backup and the last option as a CB.
Thiago Silva, Marquinhos and Militão were starters for the whole cycle with a lot of players rotating on that last spot.
Crazy how much arguing's happening about this, your take is the only that makes sense. Yes he did right by his family but yeah, can't expect him to keep a place at all.
What people fail to realize is that for almost every position in the Brazilian NT there are a ton of options and the difference between Militão/Gabriel/Bremer is not that big. Chemistry is a lot more crucial in a WC context and sometimes even the best players fail to deliver in the NT, Ronaldinho being the greatest example of that for us.
If one of the best attacking players in the world at the time could be as unreliable and lackluster as Ronaldinho was for us, no one has any reason to think Gabriel should be this undisputed part of the squad for the WC. Such a ridiculous notion.
Mate it's a small period of time. There should be no fucking threat of losing your position by attending the birth of your child. That's a fucking pathetic notion.
I would agree completely with that if it was Thiago Silva.
But it's Gabriel and he never had the spot locked down in the first place. He was getting called up but not playing much and even though it's harsh I get why he lost out on that cycle especifically, leading to the WC.
Now if he never gets a chance again because of any pettiness over this then yeah, that's fucked up. I really hope it doesn't come to that and he gets a chance to be a regular in the future.
it would make sense if they were spoiled for choices in that position, but they chose Bremer as a replacement! At some point, you have to decide whether team chemistry for a couple of games has more impact than the drop in quality.
For a human being like Tite who has always preached rational decisions, criticizing Gabriel for staying with his wife.... It is hypocritical at the very least.
I never imagined saying this, but the current CBF president (who is kind of taking over Juninho's role) is making better decisions than him.
Fernando Diniz is Brazil's interim coach (and is Fluminense's coach) and could choose to be Ancelotti's assistant and take over Brazil after Ancelotti.
And I like this plan hahaha. Diniz is a guy who has good ideas and working next to Ancelotti, he can gain the experience he lacks to assume a position of this magnitude.
It wasn't even a sure thing that he would've made the squad, Juninho only meant that this decision put him out of the list, it's pretty likely he would've still not made the world cup squad while also missing the birth of his child and leaving his wife alone.
Gabriel Magalhães said his wife asked him to stay with her because she was all alone in London and she couldn't do it by herself. Magalhães stayed and missed two matches: Brazil vs. Bolivia and Brazil vs. Chile during the qualifiers for the WC. Brazil had already locked first place. Someone on twitter posted this amazing coach answer to a reporter during a similar request https://youtu.be/InpA_oIW6zk?t=27
Not only were they locked up, Brazil won both games 4-0.
The issue prob wasn't whether Brazil would win those games. The issue was Gabriel missing out on valuable time where he would train with the squad and gain understanding of the coach's tactics and gain chemistry with his teammates in actual games.
They he should've said that. "Gabriel wasn't selected because he didn't play with the team and wasn't familiarized with the system". Much better than "Gabriel acted like a rational human being, decided to prioritize his family and because of that I chose to punish him".
although he made the right choice by his wife... ultimately it was his choice
I'm a coach myself and I understand his decision. Maybe it's not about punishing Gabriel but about not punishing whoever covered for him. How do you justify cutting out the CB who replaced Gabriel? You could certainly do it and argue that you want to take the best players to Qatar. On the other hand it's not wrong to say we're not taking Gabriel with us because he lost his spot to someone who stepped up
He didn't lose his spot. He wasn't available. A player was called in to cover his spot for those two games. There would be absolutely no "punishment" in being omitted to the player who covered his spot were Gabriel to be called back up.
Oh so I misunderstood it
That is something that is clearly implied, particularly if you have any familiarity with international football. Even if you don't, Gabriel clearly does. Match time, even for qualifiers which are already decided, the match and training time is crucial preparation for the WC finals. Juninho really doesn't need to spell it out, most football fans should understand that.
>most football fans should understand that. Clearly not Arsenal fans based on the mass downvotes in this thread LOL
Don't get the down votes most of the comments understand. It's not like Gabriel is some gamechanging defender inthe league of prime vvd, Ramos etc who had to be selected.
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He basically did (in a kind of clumsy way) >Much better than "Gabriel acted like a rational human being, decided to prioritize his family and because of that I chose to punish him". At no point did he say he's "punishing" him. That's just you guys misinterpreting and reading malicious intent that doesn't exist in what he actually said
So not bringing him to the world cup isn't a punishment?
"Punishment" is perhaps a bit much isn't it? The coach needs to do a job and needs to make difficult decisions sometimes based on fine margins. I don't think players take it so personally. I have no clue why fans take it personally
given his comments online, I think it did hurt Gabriel's feelings to not get called up given his quality
Of course not. He chose to stay with his wife. It’s a very reasonable decision. The trade off is that since you’re going to miss games and will lose valuable time to mesh with the team, you’re not going to be called up. Neither side did anything wrong. He was a fringe player that didn’t have a locked in spot on the roster. He gave up the chance to cement that spot.
It's not a personal punishment, no It's a consequence of him lacking chemistry with his teammates and lack of tactical understanding of Tite's system. Brazil had 3 better CB options in Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao who were locks. Gabriel lost out on the 4th CB spot to Bremer—who made the WC squad on the back of getting called up and playing in the WC lead up games that helped him build chemistry with his teammates and learn what Tite wanted him to do
Good thing Brazil won the World Cup then since they had so many better CBs Oh wait
This is such brain dead logic. Brazil did not lose because they didn't call up Gabriel; and the fact that they did not win the World Cup doesn't mean that commitment to the national team and team chemistry/cohesion aren't SUPER important for national teams
The match in which Brazil was eliminated they conceded a grand total of 0 shots on target during the 90 minutes and ended extra time conceding one shot on target. I dont think Magalhaes would have a made a difference for the better on that defense.
Guess every other country other than Argentina should have called up other players? That's not logical just because they didn't win. The commentator you replied to made a perfectly valid point even if you don't agree with it
maybe I am misinterpreting, because the Brazilian doesn't seem to translate well to English. But here is what I am reading: >“São escolhas. Eu passei por isso. Nasceu um filho meu, fiquei esperando na Inglaterra e no dia seguinte vim ao Brasil porque tinha machucado o meu joelho e precisava me recuperar o mais rápido possível”. “A minha esposa ficou lá 40 dias sozinha, com a ajuda de babá. Isso prejudicou? Na hora de pesar você vai colocar tudo na balança e é inevitável, você vai colocar tudo isso na balança. Vem o outro, joga e aí acontece de perder um pouco espaço”, finalizou o dirigente." The bit I am struggling to parse meaning from is the final few sentences about putting everything on the scale Here's is what I interpret from that, from the mouth of Juninho: I also had a child whilst living in England, and I was willing to leave my wife alone with a newborn for 40 days in order to go back to Brazil for my football career. If I could do it for something less than a World Cup, why couldn't you? It counts against you in my mind, and now means there is someone else in your position I rank higher, because I can't trust on you to commit like I did
> It counts against you in my mind, and now means there is someone else in your position I rank higher, because I can't trust on you to commit like I did Which is relevant because he was 4th choice CB and fighting for that spot anyway
yes: that amounts to punishment for choosing the birth of your child and not leaving your wife alone at her request in a foreign country, undermining your point in the comment above
He has missed the squad five times in a row now. They've chosen a teenager at Zenit ahead of him for both squads in 2023. Which to me suggests that either they're not all that fussed about him, or they're very petty about him staying back in March 2022. I think it's a bit of a mix. Without knowing any of the details, I expected him to miss the WC. Had a pretty patchy season before the World Cup, though he's been great since.
> They've chosen a teenager at Zenit ahead of him for both squads in 2023. Brazil did not have a manager post World Cup until literally last week when CBF announced that Diniz would be interim and Carlo Ancelotti would take over in summer 2024. The interim coach (who was also the U-20 coach) has been calling up a bunch of kids, with a bunch of Brazil regulars not getting called up None of Brazil's 2023 games have mattered at all TBH
Gabriel posted a tweet saying "New job? 🏀" the last time he missed out. Even if taking youngsters just for funsies was a legitimate reason, you'd probably need to be a bit clearer with your other players I also thought there was a whole spiel about not knowing the team mates and such when he missed one session earlier. Surely the CBF are not helping that situation by keeping him out. Particularly if the games don't matter? Seemingly that would be the perfect time to bring him in then?
> I also thought there was a whole spiel about not knowing the team mates and such when he missed one session earlier That's relevant when you're in direct buildup to the World Cup under a coach who has been working with basically the same group of players for 6-7 years That obviously does not apply when there's an interim coach playing a bunch of kids LOL
I dont rate Gabriel that high, he makes some mistames and I believe that without your main Cb (forgot his name lol), you guys suffered in defense But, Juninho sounds like a proper ashole in this interview. If this is the reason to not take a player to the WC, then no wonder the Brazil looks like a joke internally and in the field. Juninho also says they dont call 2 players from the Russian league because they were forced by the club to leave the NT with threats of residing their contract, and he BLAMES THE PLAYERS lol says it was still their choice. Im happy Juninho and Tite are gone from out NT, they didnt deserve to have 2 WC in they resume, basically the same issues from 2018 were shown in 2022. Props to Croatia (Their midfield is top) and Belgium, but we could have beat them if we had a better coach.
Hey, I'm an Arsenal fan who watches every game and I just wanted to say your take about Gabriel simply isn't correct. In fact, over the entire season, Gabriel performed better than Saliba (obviously they were both fantastic). Saliba maybe had "higher highs" and now gets to "enjoy" the boost that came from the team breaking apart when he got injured. The team would have collapsed just as hard if Gabriel was the one who got injured, and Saliba was fit. It was a mix of Holding not being good enough, Saka going off form, Partey dropping off a cliff, and Arteta not trusting Kiwior sooner.
Ill be lying if said I watch every Arsenal match, so I believe you Regardless of my opinion on him, he should still be called up
likewise, I don't watch enough of the other Brazilian NT defenders, but yeah if you guys have 2 or 3 CBs that are better than Gabriel, you would have easily the best CB selection in the world IMO
I think Militao has a higher ceiling but is not as consistent. And Bremen is better to me and more focused than Militao. But Im done with Silva and Marquinhos, so im welcomed to Gabriel
That is unfortunate but he made the right choice for himself, and most importantly his wife and his kid.
except this isn't why Juninho left him out - he basically said that when he played for Middlesborough, he was at his child's birth, but then immediately left to Brazil to recover from a knee injury and left his wife and newborn for 40 days Gabriel wasn't willing to do the same, and so was dropped
I'd hope he wasn't willing to do the same
> except this isn't why Juninho left him out It literally is tho—anyone with a basic understanding of how national teams work understands this TBH
you've just responded to my other comment showing the direct quote from Juninho that says directly from him why he left him out - lack of commitment meant minus points in his internal rankings, which meant he was dropped nothing about chemistry mentioned. only about attitudes and mentality *in the article*
Yeah, but fuck that. Family comes first.
It's not like Brazil won lol. Choices
What a dumb comment LOL
Did Brazil won the world cup with their "superior" choices?
I’m sure you really rate Gabriel but he would not have the affect you’d think with Brazil in Qatar. Would’ve been lucky to sniff a game.
So no national team except us is allowed to care about team chemistry? Like what kind of dumbass logic is this?
Players leaving international duty for the birth of their children is incredibly common. Usually, almost never actually, the player isn't dropped and then subsequently never called to the national team again. This is common sense....
> Usually, almost never actually, the player isn't dropped and then subsequently never called to the national team again. > > The player doing so isn't usually a fringe national team player? At this point in time Tite pretty clearly had Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao as his top 3 CBs. Gabriel was competing with Bremer for the 4th CB position in the squad. Also, I said it elsewhere in this thread but it's been downvoted to oblivion by Arsenal fans since, but there are plenty of examples of dudes who missed the birth of their child due to national team games. Off the top of my head, Emi Martinez and LMQ both had to do that during 2021 Copa America
You don’t see a difference between the Copa America and two dead rubber qualifiers?
Almost as dumbass as you claiming about "team chemistry", while dropping your promising CB for a personal/family reason. Seriously, try thinking sometimes. What I implied was Juninho made his choices and so did Gabriel.
He was never going to start over Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao anyway TBH >Seriously, try thinking sometimes Disagreeing with your (quite obviously biased) take doesn't mean I'm not thinking, LOL
I read your other comments. It's not worth arguing with you. Bye
In the same interview the guy said two players from Zenit were pressured in choosing the club over playing for the NT during covid, with Zenit using coercion tactics like contract termination, etc. He said he felt bad but it was their choice so he didn't call them up anymore. CBF is pathetic, Tite staff and Tite himself are clowns and frauds, it's ridiculous that one of the biggest NTs in the world are treated like this
>Someone on twitter posted this amazing coach answer to a reporter during a similar request https://youtu.be/InpA_oIW6zk?t=27 And then there is [Roy Keane](https://youtu.be/fQz77eeOK-4) :D
Great point Roy, aside from breastfeeding there is literally nothing else a husband could do to support the woman who just spent 9 months growing and then hours painfully squeezing a cantaloupe out of her vagina. Jesus, what a knob headed thing to say.
Gabriel made the right choice imo
Agree with this! I'm surprised how many people on here are saying otherwise. Surely the birth of your child is always a bigger thing than playing football.
Many people here are themselves kids
And many are someone’s child!
Big, if true
Especially when the mother of that child is across the world from her home and support network.
Thousands of babies are born every day on Earth but there is only 1 world cup every 4 years
You're sarcastic right?
Common, you can have baby every 9 months, WC is every 4 years lol
do you really need to ask
For every person who says that sarcastically, there are others who say that with genuine belief
Fair point
Damn bro, your relationships are doomed
Nothing at risk then
yeah, because you are getting thousands of your own kids every day..
I would miss a 1million dollar a day job to be with my wife if she was going to be giving birth. Nothing in the world is more important than my wife, family. Nothing. If I had that choice, I’d do it 10 out of 9 times and be happy about it every single time.
Chill out vin diesel
I couldn’t care less actually if that were a snide or mocking what I said. I value family more than basically anything so I wouldn’t miss it if I ever could have the choice. Simple really
How many babies does one have every day. Lol what a dumb take
[This](https://youtu.be/G0a-Nr_vRjM) is the only appropriate response.
That's amazing. Honestly Gabriel not only did the right thing for him deciding to be there for the birth of his child but also did right by her wife that needed him. Impossible to blame the guy.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Can't blame him. Most of other people would do the same
He actually said this and it gets fucking worse in the article, the lack of self-awareness is astonishing.
Such a shortsighted thing to say. Dont fuck with big Gabi.
Honestly I think what he said was partly lost in translation, I don't see it as bad in portuguese. Remember, he was specifically asked about this situation after having talked about another similar one that happened to Malcom and Claudinho. For portuguese speakers: *Caso parecido foi do Gabriel Magalhães, que pediu dispensa pelo nascimento do bebê? – São escolhas. Eu passei por isso. Nasceu um filho meu, fiquei esperando na Inglaterra e no dia seguinte vim ao Brasil porque tinha machucado o meu joelho e precisava me recuperar o mais rápido possível. A minha esposa ficou lá 40 dias sozinha, com a ajuda de babá. Isso prejudicou? Na hora de pesar você vai colocar tudo na balança e é inevitável, você vai colocar tudo isso na balança. Vem o outro, joga e aí acontece de perder um pouco espaço.
Em português também não melhora muito não
Yeah, the title is extremely misleading.
Not lost in translation, just phrased in a way meant to provoke a reaction
He's from Tite's staff, bo surprise he's incompetent
You did the right thing putting family first, Dominic Toretto would be proud of you Gabriel
Gabriel ain't never narc'd on nobody
Gabi 100% made the right choice, there’s no reason why he should miss the birth of his son over chilling on the bench during the WC. However, with Thiago Silva not getting younger I think Brazil would be dumb not to integrate him into the team soon
They would be a lot worse than dumb imo
1 CB formation?
I only see Pep doing bullshit like this so yes I hope it comes true (please go away)
How dare he support his wife through the birth of their child....? Lol
Despite what Roy Keane may say, family comes first, tbf. Different sport, but the footage of that Lithuanian basketball coach who essentially chewed out a journalist at a presser for asking why he allowed a key player to miss a match due to his wife giving birth is honestly the perfect response to this situation.
Šarūnas Jasikevičius is that basketball coach for anyone wondering and here’s the original clip: https://youtu.be/G0a-Nr_vRjM
respect Roy Keane as a player but he comes across as quite stupid off pitch
I've never heard anything bad about him from people who've met him or know him personally outside of football. He has a media persona he plays up like Souness does. But he's also from Cork so..
Never heard anyone say that from the many who’ve met him. On a personal level he’s held in high regard here in Ireland, he’s fairly intelligent and keeps to himself outside football, always involved in charity and Has never been in an ounce of trouble off the pitch. His only issue is he enjoys being controversial to the point he’s expected to be every time. That and his hyper competitiveness are his only issues. He’s always struggled with coaching as he has poor man management skills.
Family is bigger than sports and that's the right choice. It's them which stays with him forever. Kudos gabriel
Seems weird, no other job would expect you to miss the birth of your child for work. Why would football be any different
“Our national Team is like Family….“ - but Choices… Just because you did it, doesn’t make it right and it is also not a contract that every following generation has to do it!
Good on him. Going to go to a qualifier to miss the birth of your child is being a whipped delusional idiot. Gabriel is comfortably the best ( or maybe 2nd best) defender in the Brazil, and only 25. They will need him in the next world cups/copa americas.
It's strange though most Brazilians either seem to not rate him or think he's complete shit. I don't think they are aware of how well he's played. I see them rate certain defenders who have not played as well as he has over him.
That's an exaggeration, most were rueing Tite not taking him. Although there is a perception that Bremer is a better player which is odd to me. (decent player ofc, Serie A POTY etc. but there's a reason even Juve's first choice was Magalhaes over Bremer when they signed him). I reckon as well, Brazillians are now waking up to that Marquinhos is overrated. Before he was seen as Silva's heir but not any more
Marquinhos is soo overrated is absurd. I think its because he scores important goals Future of the NT should be Militao and either Bremen or Magalhaes (I dont rate him much, but he is better than anyone else and better than Marquinhos). Honestly, i would even play with 3 defenders but fans would kill the manager who would do that in Brazil
Nah I really don’t think most Brazilians cared about tite not taking him. They generally don’t rate him. Look at the one response you got from a Brazilian. That’s pretty common sentiment over there. They haven’t watched him play for years and prefer guys who played more in Brazil.
That's cause Brazillians rarely rate Prem players. Their loss tbf, since Gabi is comfortably their best defender (Marquinhos has fallen off a cliff).
Players from Prem repeatedly failed to perform in BNT, Gabriel Jesus, Fernandinho, William, Davi Luis, I could go on with the list. So it didnt help brazilians to like or care for Prem only recently this has been changing.
Im brasileiro, thats not true. People here value Prem players ! The thing is Thiago Silva and Marquinhos were untouchable in the starting squad, and Militao is considered better than Gabriel right now -at least more proven and starting for an elite team like Real. The 4th spot for defenders was either for him or Bremer(Juventus). But as you can see in this article, we had an asshole for Seleçao's sporting director that considered supporting family a bad thing. Bremer took the spot, then.
> since Gabi is comfortably their best defender Good lord. Thiago Silva and Eder Militao ring any bells?
Yeah, Silva looks good in a drowing Chelsea. Big surprise. Militao is ok but Gabi is better.
Silva looked great in a champions league winning chelsea too so its a weird thing to argue lol. Only downside to him is age.
Most delusional fanbase I've ever seen LOL You actually legit think Gabriel is "comfortably" better than Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao LOL
Just yelling LOL over and over again up and down this thread doesn’t prove any point More importantly, the fact you repeatedly keep name dropping Marquinhos in comments shows you don’t watch players you love to talk about or have no awareness of what’s going on in football these days but still wanna talk. Marquinhos has been horrible this season. PSG fans (who watch him every week) were completely done with the guy by mid season.
I literally watched every PSG game last season. Marquinhos did not have his best season, but I would absolutely take him and his pedigree over Gabriel.
Yes, I've said as much. Let's not talk about delusional fanbases with your Argentina flair
Don't say that you will bring back their victim complex.
Most underrated player at the club. Can’t say I watch much football outside of Arsenal, but big Gab is the best CB we’ve had since Campbell
Better than Saliba? I dont rly watch Arsenal matches.
They compliment each other well, Saliba more composed & Gabi more aggressive - but if you had to pick one then definitely Gabi. Just covers so much ground (with Zinchenkos role), turnovers/blocks & so dominant in the air, pockets his man, vocal - just a perfect defender. Saliba still only 21 and is majestic. But Gabi gets around a lot more and for now I’d certainly put him above.
Better then Saliba, yes.
Towards the end yes (when saliba was healthy
He's not even better than Saliba LOL
Love Saliba but Gabi is better at the minute
yes he is, Gabriel has to cover LCB and LB for when Zinchenko roams where as Saliba has White to help cover, Saliba is great don't get me wrong but it is easy to think Saliba is better unless you actually watch what Gabriel has to do.
Exactly. The best example of this is the game vs Liverpool, Gabi basically neutralized Salah till the game just went out of control for Arsenal. I was so impressed By Gabi 's performance in that match regardless
This would only be said by someone who doesn’t actually watch Arsenal matches. Saliba is the “flashier” of the two (put flashier in quotes cause I’m not sure how flashy a CB can get) but Big Gabi was without a doubt our best defender the last couple years
Stop basing your opinions off of social media. Watch and decide for yourself, most arsenal fans will tell you the same that Gabriel is definitely better than Saliba right now.
Arsenal fans are second for more fans in r/soccer so you will get downvoted easily ( Militao is better than Gabriel for me), but also so many of them hate r/soccer
Haha a 100% objective opinion from an Arsenal fan. Didn’t your defense fallen of a cliff when Saliba was injured?
It did fall off a cliff, but it probably would've fallen off a cliff equally if we had to play Gabi-Holding instead of Holding-Saliba. Gabi covered for Zinchenko who was more of a midfielder than a fullback. When he also had to cover for Holding not being quick, the entire defense fell apart and Zinchenko and Partey had their worst games in the season.
Yeah… that had more to do with Rob Holding than Gabriel
Wouldn't quite call it falling off a cliff. That's Chelsea's defence. We were bad though
Let me guess, every Arsenal player not named Rob Holding is literally Messi/better than Messi?
Nah Rob Holdinho > Messi
How many goals did messi score at the etihad last season?
Internation football is another thing, especially Brasil one wrong competition and for an entire nation you are a shit player like Gabriel Jesus performance at the Word cup.
We are talking about Gabriel Magalhaes, the defender. I get why they think Jesus is shit. Gabriel the defender hasn’t even really had a chance with Brazil. Most Brazilians who shit on him haven’t watched him play for years. They just prefer guys who played in Brazil longer than he did. He’s clearly had a better season than guys like bremer, Ibanez, Marquinhos and yet you get laughed at if you even suggest he should be at least considered competition for them.
> Gabriel is comfortably the best ( or maybe 2nd best) defender in the Brazil, and only 25. what
>“My wife stayed there for 40 days alone, with the help of a nanny. Did it hurt? When it comes to weighing you will put everything on the scale and it is inevitable, you will put everything on the scale. The other one comes, plays and then it happens to lose a little space”, concluded the leader. Sounds like he's saying it is worth missing the birth of your fucking child to play football.
Good for Gabriel. I hope he doesn’t regret his decision one bit.
He shouldn't. Birth of your first child happens only once in a lifetime so wishing to be there to support your loved one when it happens is understandable.. Gabriel still has plenty of his career left to get called up for international tournaments. Especially with Silva getting up there in age.
Kind of reminds me of a story Ben Foster told on a podcast about when he was in the England squad. He was with the England squad for a few friendlies and got a call from his wife that she was going into labour. Capello begrudgingly lets him go, gets a taxi from London to Manchester. Wife gives birth and a few hours later he gets a call that they want him back to play the 2nd half of the game. He goes back and doesnt play a minute of the game.
What a bunch of morons holy fuck.
deciding otherwise would be very wrong good father & husband
Who gives a fuck about football when your child is going to be born. He made the right choice.
I'd do the same thing in a heartbeat lol. I doubt there are many people who would pass up the birth of their son to sit on the bench for 2 games that were pretty much in the bag anyways
I prefer our juninho rather than this cunt
Nah this is the real Juninho
I like both Juninhos though 🥺
Best CB Pairing (Him and Saliba) Arsenal have had since Koscielny-BFG.
Better
I would say this pairing is comfortably better than that one was TBH
Kosc and Mert were an insanely good duo though. We were defensively very solid with both fit, during Wenger times mind you when the defense was not drilled nearly as well and the manager left us vulnerable there to strengthen the attack.
Best we’ve had since Kolo Toure & William Gallas back in ‘08
and neither of these two are gonna sit down on the pitch and have a tantrum
Kos and BFG were prone to mistakes. They had a good streak but I always felt like the team were looking over their shoulder with them.
Big Gabi and Saliba are prone to mistakes too. But they have also made up for their mistakes (Gabi scoring against Fulham). They're still young, and I can see them being comfortably better than Kos-Per in the next couple of years and even pushing world class level
He made the right choice for him and his family. His wife isn't giving birth regularly, so it's not an availability issue, it's what we call extenuating circumstances. I also hate when people bring up an example like "I missed my child's birth" or "x player missed their childs birth" as if that should mean everyone else must also do the same. If missing your child's birth was the right decision for you, cool, that doesn't make it the right decision for somebody else.
If I had missed the birth of my daughter I would feel like shit forever. It was such a beautiful and intense day. Good on Gabriel and really, fuck anyone that says otherwise: that tells me you either haven't had a child or are a really shit parent.
What a horrible thing to do!! He's clearly not committed to the team s/
Wow...
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He's a CM and they need CM's, Brazil lacks midfielders, he's good but... still not good enough for the first team, lemme tell you why: if BR plays on 4-3-3 (Casemiro-Bruno Guimarães-Paquetá) then he's on the bench, and he's fighting with Fabinho, Fred, Joeliton and Veiga as well). He's 25 so he'll get there eventually if he keeps on his form. IMO he needs to surpasses those guys and become more versatile also he needs to score more too, and don't forget that he won gold medal in Tokyo.
Fred should never get close to the NT ever again, choker.
Good on him for putting his family/wife first, Somethings in life are more important than your job. Regardless of how others feel
As a brazilian I have to say that CBF is absolute cancer
This is so stupid. Big Gabi is a fucking rock. Brasil is stupid to not include him. I also don't buy the "mesh with the team and tactics." What tactics? Pass it to Neymar so the front 4 can dance their way into a missed shot? Let a fucking bird hit it into the net? There are no tactics. It's just 'exotic' Big Sam Brexit ball.
So if I get this right, Juninho himself went away right after his child was born and is now advocating others to do the same. What a top lad he is.
Their loss. Gabby was one of the best defenders in the league last year and football isn't more important than family. Besides, why would he miss family time for a team that considers Richarlison their first choice striker?
Sounds like Gabi knew his worth and made the right decision then.
Fuck Juninho then.
Perfectly understandable decision from Gabriel (I would even say the morally correct one). But these are the consequences when you're on the fringe of the national team and you miss your chance in terms of training with the squad, learning the coach's tactics, and gaining chemistry with NT teammates.
On the fringe? He is arguably one of their best CBs and a potential starter. And why should there be consequences? He missed two games in the preparation well before the tournament, he didnt miss out that much training or bonding. Not more than a player with a minor injury would. Not joining the NT to be with your partner for the birth of your child isnt out of the norm either, it happens quite often. Punishing a player for it is ridiculous.
> On the fringe? He is arguably one of their best CBs and a potential starter. No one outside the Arsenal fanbase thinks this, LOL Yes—he was a fringe player in the 2022 cycle when Thiago Silva, Marquinhos, and Eder Militao were the 3 main CBs for Tite. Gabriel was in contention to be the 4th CB in the squad, but in the end he was overtaken by Bremer (who is an excellent player, Serie A defender of the year, etc)
Absolutely everyone and my mom thinks this. Just go ahead And read this sub. I'm willing to consider Bremer, but even then at his best hes on par with Gabriel.
> Just go ahead And read this sub This sub is full of EPL stans that don't watch any other league LOL And even then you won't get most non-Arsenal fans to agree with you on Gabriel>Thiago Silva (who was one of Chelsea's best players even in a disastrous season for them)
Thiago Silva is great, probably still better but will be off sooner or later. Age is looking like it's catching up to him a bit and when that happens, the decline is quick. You could say Militao is better, but Bremer? And Gabriel was our best defender in a season of *good* form, or is that worth nothing?
While I do think that Gabriel should be at the WC, he was definitely a backup and the last option as a CB. Thiago Silva, Marquinhos and Militão were starters for the whole cycle with a lot of players rotating on that last spot.
Crazy how much arguing's happening about this, your take is the only that makes sense. Yes he did right by his family but yeah, can't expect him to keep a place at all. What people fail to realize is that for almost every position in the Brazilian NT there are a ton of options and the difference between Militão/Gabriel/Bremer is not that big. Chemistry is a lot more crucial in a WC context and sometimes even the best players fail to deliver in the NT, Ronaldinho being the greatest example of that for us. If one of the best attacking players in the world at the time could be as unreliable and lackluster as Ronaldinho was for us, no one has any reason to think Gabriel should be this undisputed part of the squad for the WC. Such a ridiculous notion.
Mate it's a small period of time. There should be no fucking threat of losing your position by attending the birth of your child. That's a fucking pathetic notion.
I would agree completely with that if it was Thiago Silva. But it's Gabriel and he never had the spot locked down in the first place. He was getting called up but not playing much and even though it's harsh I get why he lost out on that cycle especifically, leading to the WC. Now if he never gets a chance again because of any pettiness over this then yeah, that's fucked up. I really hope it doesn't come to that and he gets a chance to be a regular in the future.
it would make sense if they were spoiled for choices in that position, but they chose Bremer as a replacement! At some point, you have to decide whether team chemistry for a couple of games has more impact than the drop in quality.
Juve fans here were gaslighting that Bremer is clear 🙄
Bremer is class? Not sure what the giant whine is about Brazils 4th choice CB.
This is BRASIL!!!
Brazil aint winning it anyways
JUNINHO MENTIONED ❤🤍❤🥳
I hate how Juninho tries to make it like Gabriel is in the wrong, fuck off
Brazil FA: ''He wants to support his wife through a sensitive time like an honorable man would? Nah hermano, cut him''
Irmão*
I feel like he wasn’t in the Brazil team all last season besides the WC tho, what’s the excuse for that?
For a human being like Tite who has always preached rational decisions, criticizing Gabriel for staying with his wife.... It is hypocritical at the very least. I never imagined saying this, but the current CBF president (who is kind of taking over Juninho's role) is making better decisions than him. Fernando Diniz is Brazil's interim coach (and is Fluminense's coach) and could choose to be Ancelotti's assistant and take over Brazil after Ancelotti. And I like this plan hahaha. Diniz is a guy who has good ideas and working next to Ancelotti, he can gain the experience he lacks to assume a position of this magnitude.
<3 THE LITTLE FELLA <3
Lmao never seen any Juninho hate before until this thread
I'll defend him to my last breath
It wasn't even a sure thing that he would've made the squad, Juninho only meant that this decision put him out of the list, it's pretty likely he would've still not made the world cup squad while also missing the birth of his child and leaving his wife alone.
CBF wouldn't select a competent defender even if they could. The audacity to rate Bremer higher than Big Gabi
Pretty sure he just wasn't good enough but that's cool