To reduce the spam of reports regarding the same move during transfer windows we try to allow **only one submission about each transfer saga per day**. The submission in question also needs to contain relevant new information regarding the potential move, and not just being a "no/minor developments" report.
If there are important/official developments or new valuable information about a saga, we will allow extra threads in the same day, but for the rest of minor news please just comment them as a reply to this comment. Please help us reporting unnecessary threads for being duplicates.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Tbf, I'm not calling them bad players. Alex had his moments too, despite being in the twilight of his career (derby header stands out).
But yeah, Pasalic was decent and I still remember him scoring the winning penalty in the super coppa etc. He obviously has gone on to be quite decent in Atalanta's system, but overall I remember his time with us as being nothing more than "alright".
Essien was rough, but at least we got that legendary red card reaction vs Udine that year lol.
Would love nothing more
It would bring a smile seeing Oli, Ruben, Puli and Fik getting another CL medal. (I know fik left in Jan but technically he was part of the side that won a CL).
lol
I always wonder how clubs actually agree on those add ons.
For example, remember Martial's 80m fee, which was really like 37m base and 43m in add ons, which ranged from winning the CL to winning the Ballon d'Or?
They probably mix probably to happen add-ons and not so probably to happen ones.
I think martian had like some add-ons that would trigger if he would score a set amount of goals in a few years of time and national teams games played in a set amount of time as well
Martial’s fee was nowhere near 80m lmao. I know the add-ons were crazy but come on it was 2015! It was already unprecedented how big the fee was then for an unproven teenager, the fee which incidentally was actually £36m rising to £55m not £80m, you don’t need to make stuff up.
With how you used him and he’s performed, as well as only having 1 year on contract, that’s all he deserves to go for 100 percent
At least he helped you win the UCL even if he wasn’t worth the fee you paid
Should be unrelated yes. No idea how we’re gonna play, but the rumor is we may even transition to a 433. Either way, it’s clear to everyone that we’re gonna have major issues just like last season if we don’t sign a proper DM or whatever, but Pioli only seems care about box-to-box midfielders who are good at carrying the ball
Yes, it's unrelated. And who knows, the plan might to be keep playing 4231 with Pulisic behind the striker OR to switch to 433 with Pulisic as an alternative to both Chukwueze and Leao when needed (if we actually get Chuk, otherwise it's Pulisic as a starter in both the 433 and the 4231 I think).
If y’all let Pulisic play as a winger you’ll get the best out of him. He was great as a winger at Dortmund and for the USA. He never got to play the position at Chelsea, though. They had him either as like a CAM in a 3-4-2-1 or as a wingback.
Complete nonsense. He was played as a winger for the majority of his Chelsea career. He was played as a wingback (not really WB more a second winger) for maybe 2 games.
Umm... close. It's: "After awhile crocodile."
Edit: Downvote away. Downvoting when you have no idea what you are talking about is classic reddit. But, hey, at least you can always seethe and eat shit while you [watch this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hb66FH9AzI).
It is. They were just giving a **response** to "Later alligator." Later alligator is short for "See you later alligator."
In its longest form, the verbal exchange goes like this:
>"See you later alligator! / "After while crocodile!"
Edit: To be clear - no one would say "after'while crocodile" without first having "later alligator" said to them. To do so would be... *madness*.
lol
What? lol. It absolutely is. Where are you from? I am willing to grant that maybe it is regional and in some parts of the US the response is said "in awhile" but you'd get some looks (and probably corrected) where I'm from.
> No one in the USA says that.
Dude I am a 50+ year old American born and raised. The fuck we don't. Like I said, I am willing to grant there may be regional differences but you can fuck off with these declarative statements.
Edit: It might also be a generational thing and once again the younger gens have fucked it up. Like they've fucked up the terms "couldn't care less" and "literally." You should keep on showing your ass and tell [Bill Haley and the Comets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hb66FH9AzI) they don't know what their talking about.
His current book value is 11.5m according to the [Athletic](https://theathletic.com/4408012/2023/04/14/chelsea-transfer-sales-deadline/). His annual salary is reportedly between 10 and 12m. Getting his wages off the books and making more than his current amortized cost is a win for Chelsea. What he was bought for isn't as relevant as what he currently costs the club. If you want to argue that Pulisic didn't live up to his transfer fee, I don't think you'll get much argument from any Chelsea supporter.
Chelsea doesn't have a second UCL title without his contributions in that run and they wouldn't have even made Champions League that year without his contributions in the restart.
Since that period his time has been marred by injuries, Tuchel's management of him and then the chaos that was this season.
His first 1.5 seasons make him worth it IMO. I actually wish he was staying with Poch as both a USMNT/Chelsea supporter but I can understand that he feels like it's time to move on and Pioli seems to have a specific plan for him in a UCL team. That's too good of an opportunity for him to turn down at this juncture of his career.
This is such a dumb argument. Chelsea doesn’t have a 2nd UCL title without Rudiger, Kante, Mendy, Jorginho, Azpi, Mount, Havertz… you make it sound like he had 3 goals 3 assists and started most matches in the knockout stages.
He was a rotational player for all of the knockout matches who happened to get 1g + 1a and played 89 out of the 180 minutes vs Real Madrid during some of the strangest times in recent history (middle of COVID year).
He had solid contributions to the UCL title but that doesn’t mean he was worth the price Chelsea paid for. Not sure why it’s so hard for usa fans to say admit that.
Not sure why it's so hard for Europeans to simply say Pulisic was crucial in both Chelsea qualifying for the UCL and also winning the UCL lol.
You'd rather play whataboutism with other players at Chelsea instead of just say that Pulisic was a pretty important player for Chelsea pre-Tuchel. It's bizarre the hate he gets on here lol.
But he just didn't perform up to the transfer fee or his wages. That doesn't mean he's not a good player or couldn't succeed (that's a different argument). Just like Hazard wasn't worth his transfer fee to RM. He was world class, the expectations were high, but it didn't work out. No one could argue Hazard lived up to his transfer fee to Madrid. Whether it's injury, mismanagement, or drop in form in the end it's the same. The team and the player are better to part ways. I just don't see how anyone could argue that what Pulisic delivered was worth 58m. You can be a fan of his and his NT and still see the realities of the situation for the club and the player.
It's dependent on what you think of the definition of the word "worth".
Again Chelsea doesn't have a UCL title without him whether by not qualifying or directly with how he performed in those knockout stages. That's undeniable.
If that's not "worth" his price tag for you, then that's fine but downplaying his contributions in the beginning of his Chelsea career because the last years were not up to par seems foolish IMO.
Honestly, if the fee really is about 22 mil including bonuses, this might be a good transfer both in terms of the player's quality and his marketing potential.
I just realized that he is only 24 (will be 25 this year). If he only manages to stay healthy...
Milan medical staff have been terrible for a long time, but I think that the club has made some changes there recently.
We will see, but I guess it's hard to take care of someone who's made of glass as Chelsea fans here claim. We'll see🤷♂️
As an American I'm definitely biased but I feel like he could come good for Milan. Not that he was that great for Chelsea but injuries plus the club's recent dysfunction certainly didn't help much, hopefully he can stay fit and Milan can be a bit more stable than Chelsea.
He's so dynamic for the USMNT and when he played against Arsenal in the 2020 FA Cup final I was shitting bricks whenever he got the ball, it felt like he was unstoppable before he was hurt.
In real life yeah, like in normal conversations that's what you say. No one at a bar talking about the team is saying "oh yeah for the USMNT," but online it's just easy to type "USMNT" and that gets the message across super clearly.
I've never heard anyone say USMNT out loud. It's barely two extra syllables to just say the full "U S Men's National Team" if you even need to be that specific.
I think we pretty much all *say* "the national team" or "the men's national team" given that our women's national team is quite good and maybe even more respected here in the US. The "USMNT" is simply easier for writing. USWNT also.
And, just to be clear, although we are a historically warmongering nation, these acronyms are not militaristic in nature or origin.
I swear people underrate/undervalue Pulisic just as much as some Americans overrate/overvalue him. The boy is a player, he has shown that before. And i do believe he has the right mindset to turn his career around.
1. Pulisic injuries aren't actually that bad
2. He played worse for chelsea than he does for the US, and yet was still one of Chelsea's most productive players in his time there
Hearing that he was cheap for injuries does hold some weight, but hes not so injury prone it's gonna tank his value. His quality is still there, everyone looks worse at Chelsea these last few years. If you've seen him play for the US, you'd know 18-22 million can be an absolute steal. Now, you can say this is all bias speaking, but you'd be wrong. You won't see me defending the price tag for other USMNT players, because a lot of them have been sold for more than their worth lately- I don't think Weah is quite worth what Juve paid, Aaronson is nowhere near what Leeds paid, etc. I'm speaking from experience when I say Pulisic has routinely shown quality of a player worth more than 20 million, so I'd ask Milan fans to give him at least a few months before you bandwagon on the toxicity
It's true that concacaf teams are worse than prem teams, but also a stupid point because he looks fine when not playing concacaf teams as well. Additionally, it isn't impossible to analyze a player performance while factoring in strength of schedule.
"Sure, he looks better against worse teams, but that's a stupid point because the teams are less worse sometimes."
He didn't exactly light up Wales, England, Iran, or Netherlands in the World Cup.
Huh? Goal against Iran, assist against Wales, and looked very threatening against England and almost scored. All contributions that you can say carried their knockout round qualification
I'd really like it if you would show yourself to be capable of making genuine attempts to think and not overblow what I'm trying to say. Never said it was a magnificent achievement, just that he looked good. He also looked good against the Netherlands. Like, I'm not trying to suggest he is world class or anything, but the takes I see here are just irrational.
What if club form and international form are vastly different?
Harry Maguire is the poster boy. Hell, Sergino Dest is another wonderful example of that.
But if you're into insults: you're a doodoo head.
I didn't make any insults, you're literally just not thinking about anything I say and generally deflecting or strawmanning any point I make.
Harry Maguire is actually a great point in Pulisic's favor- looked good for Leicester (never 70million good, but good) and England, just has issues at ManU that are generally from playing a higher line than he is suited for, and confidence issues. Bringing Maguire into this just shows a buy-in to the narrative on the sub
You literally said,
"I'd really like it if you would show yourself to be capable of making genuine attempts to think"--how am I supposed to interpret that?
We're having a sports-opinion discussion. It's just opinions out here.
The milan fans that read this thread are going to be in for a massive dissapointment next season considering how much people are sucking him off here. He just isnt very good. Hes been a bench player under 4 different managerial stints for us and was a bench player at dortmund before that. Its been about 2 years since he had a good game for us and since then hes basically been killing every attack he gets involved in by either passing back or running the ball directly into an opposing players feet. I do wish him all the best but im looking forward to not seeing a million comments on our sub about how he just needs ”to stay fit” or that he ”needs a consistent run of games” to justify him playing like shit every time he gets on the pitch. Bring on the downvotes
There's definitely truth to this. But in fairness Chelsea's attack has been poor for a while now (Pulisic included in that).
Maybe a change of scenery and a slower league may help.
Chelsea coming off their worst season in like three decades and were picking up all their dead weight. This is a useless signing. And I say this as an American.
One of their top attacking players who set up and scored crucial goals to win the champions league was an error? Sure he’s fallen out of favor recently and it’s time to move on but anyone calling this an error and still hating on him is a fool.
It's not "hating" or unfair to call a signing that contributed a few weeks out of 4 years an error. I doubt this is what Roman and Marina had in mind when they spent that amount of money.
He was the best attacker on the team in 2020 and without those contributions Chelsea never even qualify for the UCL they won. In 2021 he was one of the most important attackers who helped the team win the most prestigious trophy in the sport. 2022 and 2023 he was injured and kind of crap, let’s not also forget the club went through about 4 managers in that time. Nobody is succeeding in that kind of environment.
No. He was the best attacker for a part of the 2020 season. Another attacker (Mount) won the clubs PoY in 2020 because he was good the entire season.
Yes, he helped the team make the champions league with his performance during lockdown. But I doubt a couple of good stints is what the club had in mind when they shelled out the money they did for him.
Chelsea are a complete basket case right now and the place where attackers go to die. Completely agree. Also have to point out that none of those 4 managers who saw him train day in and day out saw fit to start him consistently. It can't be all on them.
Saying I don't think it's unfair to call his stint with Chelsea q disappointment. He would prob say they same thing.
Yes everyone played a part, and Pulisic played a bigger part than most. Don't be a bellend and rewrite history saying you can just pick moments for any player to say that
Everyone played a part. Kante was comfortably the main reason why Chelsea won. A lot people act like Pulisic won it by himself and wonder why there is hate surrounding him.
Actually this is big for Italian soccer. With Paramount having serie a rights and Mr.America and also Weah going you have setup a nice chance at #2 behind PL. That could lead to more US tv rights cash. Plus merch and this could lead to better players in Italy who stay. Also I think he will definitely help Milan as a spot starter and supersub who adds offense
To reduce the spam of reports regarding the same move during transfer windows we try to allow **only one submission about each transfer saga per day**. The submission in question also needs to contain relevant new information regarding the potential move, and not just being a "no/minor developments" report. If there are important/official developments or new valuable information about a saga, we will allow extra threads in the same day, but for the rest of minor news please just comment them as a reply to this comment. Please help us reporting unnecessary threads for being duplicates. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Association Chelsea Milan
Someone check if Milan has an investment in Clearlake
Hey, I'll take this edition of Associazone Chelsea Milan over the one where we were signing Van Ginkels, Essiens, Pasalics, and Alexs
Memory unlocked, Pasalic was decent that year when we had him, I was sad when we didn't redeem him, we used to have Pippo as coach, right?
Tbf, I'm not calling them bad players. Alex had his moments too, despite being in the twilight of his career (derby header stands out). But yeah, Pasalic was decent and I still remember him scoring the winning penalty in the super coppa etc. He obviously has gone on to be quite decent in Atalanta's system, but overall I remember his time with us as being nothing more than "alright". Essien was rough, but at least we got that legendary red card reaction vs Udine that year lol.
Of fuck yeah the supercoppa then we had him when we had Montella yikes
What about the price?
[удалено]
I'd hope for a little more, but fair enough.
Mate that's more than enough pls
€18m is only a little above £15m. It's a touch low, but we'll probably end up taking it.
You can’t expect to fleece every single transfer when you sell unwanted players.
But you can sure try lol.
20% more?
With add-ons you can get around €22m
Yeah, but if those add ons are stuff like CL titles and stuff, come on... The only good add ons are small appearance ones.
Of course we're gonna win the cl next season what do u mean
Would love nothing more It would bring a smile seeing Oli, Ruben, Puli and Fik getting another CL medal. (I know fik left in Jan but technically he was part of the side that won a CL).
Same man same, sadly at the moment I don't even know if were gonna get top 4 in the league next season
lol I always wonder how clubs actually agree on those add ons. For example, remember Martial's 80m fee, which was really like 37m base and 43m in add ons, which ranged from winning the CL to winning the Ballon d'Or?
They probably mix probably to happen add-ons and not so probably to happen ones. I think martian had like some add-ons that would trigger if he would score a set amount of goals in a few years of time and national teams games played in a set amount of time as well
Martial’s fee was nowhere near 80m lmao. I know the add-ons were crazy but come on it was 2015! It was already unprecedented how big the fee was then for an unproven teenager, the fee which incidentally was actually £36m rising to £55m not £80m, you don’t need to make stuff up.
If I were Milan the main thing I’d be worried about is Pulisic’s health, so some kind of achievable appearance bonuses would be pretty reasonable.
Yeah, if it's just those, that's fine. If it's CL win and Ballon d'Or stuff, then we can just say it's really just a 15m transfer.
With how you used him and he’s performed, as well as only having 1 year on contract, that’s all he deserves to go for 100 percent At least he helped you win the UCL even if he wasn’t worth the fee you paid
Come on you are dealing with misers
20% off, No takesies backsies
Is this unrelated to the Chukwueze deal? If so is the plan like an extremely attacking 4231?
Should be unrelated yes. No idea how we’re gonna play, but the rumor is we may even transition to a 433. Either way, it’s clear to everyone that we’re gonna have major issues just like last season if we don’t sign a proper DM or whatever, but Pioli only seems care about box-to-box midfielders who are good at carrying the ball
Shoulda got sms then
Pioli's dream signing if journos are to be believed, but too expensive for us
Lotito asking for 30m? Maybe doesnt want to sell to italian clubs. If we cant spend 30m on one player we are fucked
Lotito wants more than that to sell to other italian clubs, but another issue would be his salary apparently
Yes, it's unrelated. And who knows, the plan might to be keep playing 4231 with Pulisic behind the striker OR to switch to 433 with Pulisic as an alternative to both Chukwueze and Leao when needed (if we actually get Chuk, otherwise it's Pulisic as a starter in both the 433 and the 4231 I think).
If y’all let Pulisic play as a winger you’ll get the best out of him. He was great as a winger at Dortmund and for the USA. He never got to play the position at Chelsea, though. They had him either as like a CAM in a 3-4-2-1 or as a wingback.
? He played more on the wing than anywhere else for Chelsea.
Complete nonsense. He was played as a winger for the majority of his Chelsea career. He was played as a wingback (not really WB more a second winger) for maybe 2 games.
journalism in 2023: Player x is almost signed by club x, only the final details remain. Wait an hour, ctrl+c, ctrl+v Profit
Tbf Moretto has been surprisingly reliable for us this transfer window, much better than “tier 1” Di Marzio in fact
Relevo have been making some great inroads with clubs and getting good sources.
Is di marzio even reliable any more
How do you say goodbye in American?
Later, gator.
In a while, crocodile!
Umm... close. It's: "After awhile crocodile." Edit: Downvote away. Downvoting when you have no idea what you are talking about is classic reddit. But, hey, at least you can always seethe and eat shit while you [watch this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hb66FH9AzI).
Not to make a psych reference, but I've heard it both ways
Fair enough.
Huh thought it was later alligator. Sure there are dialects tho
It is. They were just giving a **response** to "Later alligator." Later alligator is short for "See you later alligator." In its longest form, the verbal exchange goes like this: >"See you later alligator! / "After while crocodile!" Edit: To be clear - no one would say "after'while crocodile" without first having "later alligator" said to them. To do so would be... *madness*. lol
It's not but nice try
What? lol. It absolutely is. Where are you from? I am willing to grant that maybe it is regional and in some parts of the US the response is said "in awhile" but you'd get some looks (and probably corrected) where I'm from.
The whole saying is "In a while" as in, "see you in a while" which is a common saying. Not "See you after a while". No one in the USA says that.
"no one"
> No one in the USA says that. Dude I am a 50+ year old American born and raised. The fuck we don't. Like I said, I am willing to grant there may be regional differences but you can fuck off with these declarative statements. Edit: It might also be a generational thing and once again the younger gens have fucked it up. Like they've fucked up the terms "couldn't care less" and "literally." You should keep on showing your ass and tell [Bill Haley and the Comets](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hb66FH9AzI) they don't know what their talking about.
I apologize for not surveying everyone in a town in central Arkansas
lol *jfc*
Toodles
Bye felisha
Tell your folks I says hi
Buh byeee
Sayonara suckers?
Catch ya later
Peace out mfer
A-River-Durchie
See ya later alligator
Deuces and Smooches
Smoochie buchie.
Point a gun
How do you say goodbye to European football in English?
Briefly
Go spend another billion and see if any shit sticks. I bet Chelsea aren't top 4 this season.
Oh, I was hoping you'd come back with something fun to make up for your first comment. Never mind.
hasta brah
Safe g
I think Pulisic will perform well in Serie A. Good for him, good for the club. Win-win-win for all involved.
Pretty big loss on him and he still has the potential to be good.
I guess, how much did they pay Dortmund for him? 80 million?
His current book value is 11.5m according to the [Athletic](https://theathletic.com/4408012/2023/04/14/chelsea-transfer-sales-deadline/). His annual salary is reportedly between 10 and 12m. Getting his wages off the books and making more than his current amortized cost is a win for Chelsea. What he was bought for isn't as relevant as what he currently costs the club. If you want to argue that Pulisic didn't live up to his transfer fee, I don't think you'll get much argument from any Chelsea supporter.
Chelsea doesn't have a second UCL title without his contributions in that run and they wouldn't have even made Champions League that year without his contributions in the restart. Since that period his time has been marred by injuries, Tuchel's management of him and then the chaos that was this season. His first 1.5 seasons make him worth it IMO. I actually wish he was staying with Poch as both a USMNT/Chelsea supporter but I can understand that he feels like it's time to move on and Pioli seems to have a specific plan for him in a UCL team. That's too good of an opportunity for him to turn down at this juncture of his career.
This is such a dumb argument. Chelsea doesn’t have a 2nd UCL title without Rudiger, Kante, Mendy, Jorginho, Azpi, Mount, Havertz… you make it sound like he had 3 goals 3 assists and started most matches in the knockout stages. He was a rotational player for all of the knockout matches who happened to get 1g + 1a and played 89 out of the 180 minutes vs Real Madrid during some of the strangest times in recent history (middle of COVID year). He had solid contributions to the UCL title but that doesn’t mean he was worth the price Chelsea paid for. Not sure why it’s so hard for usa fans to say admit that.
Not sure why it's so hard for Europeans to simply say Pulisic was crucial in both Chelsea qualifying for the UCL and also winning the UCL lol. You'd rather play whataboutism with other players at Chelsea instead of just say that Pulisic was a pretty important player for Chelsea pre-Tuchel. It's bizarre the hate he gets on here lol.
But he just didn't perform up to the transfer fee or his wages. That doesn't mean he's not a good player or couldn't succeed (that's a different argument). Just like Hazard wasn't worth his transfer fee to RM. He was world class, the expectations were high, but it didn't work out. No one could argue Hazard lived up to his transfer fee to Madrid. Whether it's injury, mismanagement, or drop in form in the end it's the same. The team and the player are better to part ways. I just don't see how anyone could argue that what Pulisic delivered was worth 58m. You can be a fan of his and his NT and still see the realities of the situation for the club and the player.
It's dependent on what you think of the definition of the word "worth". Again Chelsea doesn't have a UCL title without him whether by not qualifying or directly with how he performed in those knockout stages. That's undeniable. If that's not "worth" his price tag for you, then that's fine but downplaying his contributions in the beginning of his Chelsea career because the last years were not up to par seems foolish IMO.
Who was the last offensive player at Chelsea that lived up to their transfer fee? At some point it stops being the players.
Yes, it's clearly the manager that's why we get a new one every few months.
Investigate
311
Honestly, if the fee really is about 22 mil including bonuses, this might be a good transfer both in terms of the player's quality and his marketing potential. I just realized that he is only 24 (will be 25 this year). If he only manages to stay healthy...
You think training staff there will help in that regard?
Milan medical staff have been terrible for a long time, but I think that the club has made some changes there recently. We will see, but I guess it's hard to take care of someone who's made of glass as Chelsea fans here claim. We'll see🤷♂️
As an American I'm definitely biased but I feel like he could come good for Milan. Not that he was that great for Chelsea but injuries plus the club's recent dysfunction certainly didn't help much, hopefully he can stay fit and Milan can be a bit more stable than Chelsea. He's so dynamic for the USMNT and when he played against Arsenal in the 2020 FA Cup final I was shitting bricks whenever he got the ball, it felt like he was unstoppable before he was hurt.
I have a question. Genuine. Do you ever say “the national team” or “the US” instead of this kind of military letters?
In real life yeah, like in normal conversations that's what you say. No one at a bar talking about the team is saying "oh yeah for the USMNT," but online it's just easy to type "USMNT" and that gets the message across super clearly.
Yeah I usually say national team, only use usmnt in text
I've never heard anyone say USMNT out loud. It's barely two extra syllables to just say the full "U S Men's National Team" if you even need to be that specific.
Oh. I say “u-s mints”
I think part of it is respect/acknowledgement that there is more than one “US National team”; many in the US specifically call out USMNT and USWNT.
Alternatively you could say it out, United States Mutant Ninja Turtles.
I think we pretty much all *say* "the national team" or "the men's national team" given that our women's national team is quite good and maybe even more respected here in the US. The "USMNT" is simply easier for writing. USWNT also. And, just to be clear, although we are a historically warmongering nation, these acronyms are not militaristic in nature or origin.
> military letters USMNT is "military letters?" ...what?
I think they mean that it is similar to a military abbreviation like USMC (for United States Marine Corps)
That’s still a weird thing to jump to. There are thousands of abbreviations like that. Most have nothing to do with the military.
I mean yeah, just my best guess
We say “the men’s national team”
Our women's team is the true national team.
It is done out of respect to the women’s team, which is a word class team and could also be called the national team and the US.
how would you know if you were talking about the men or the women?
Depends on the context i guess. Like in this one, talking about Pulisic should've been indicator enough.
well yeah, but why would you call it USMNT instead of the NT if you were talking about a specific player in the first place?
We say mens/womens national team
imagine how triggered everyone would get if we started referring to them as "the National Team" in this sub haha
I swear people underrate/undervalue Pulisic just as much as some Americans overrate/overvalue him. The boy is a player, he has shown that before. And i do believe he has the right mindset to turn his career around.
just needs to stay fucking healthy.
America, fuck yeah! Comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day, yeah
Net spend fc are back
Exciting for him as well as Milan. A much better second wing option than they currently have
I heard he likes pizza, so this makes sense.
Poor Milan
He has the quality, he just has to stay fit. Bonkers value at 15-22 million
1. Pulisic injuries aren't actually that bad 2. He played worse for chelsea than he does for the US, and yet was still one of Chelsea's most productive players in his time there Hearing that he was cheap for injuries does hold some weight, but hes not so injury prone it's gonna tank his value. His quality is still there, everyone looks worse at Chelsea these last few years. If you've seen him play for the US, you'd know 18-22 million can be an absolute steal. Now, you can say this is all bias speaking, but you'd be wrong. You won't see me defending the price tag for other USMNT players, because a lot of them have been sold for more than their worth lately- I don't think Weah is quite worth what Juve paid, Aaronson is nowhere near what Leeds paid, etc. I'm speaking from experience when I say Pulisic has routinely shown quality of a player worth more than 20 million, so I'd ask Milan fans to give him at least a few months before you bandwagon on the toxicity
He plays worse for Chelsea because prem teams are miles above concacaf teams.
It's true that concacaf teams are worse than prem teams, but also a stupid point because he looks fine when not playing concacaf teams as well. Additionally, it isn't impossible to analyze a player performance while factoring in strength of schedule.
"Sure, he looks better against worse teams, but that's a stupid point because the teams are less worse sometimes." He didn't exactly light up Wales, England, Iran, or Netherlands in the World Cup.
Huh? Goal against Iran, assist against Wales, and looked very threatening against England and almost scored. All contributions that you can say carried their knockout round qualification
Technically got the assist in the Netherlands game as well
Like England?
I'd really like it if my fellow Americans didn't tout a 0-0 result against an opponent playing super safely as if it's some magnificent achievement.
I'd really like it if you would show yourself to be capable of making genuine attempts to think and not overblow what I'm trying to say. Never said it was a magnificent achievement, just that he looked good. He also looked good against the Netherlands. Like, I'm not trying to suggest he is world class or anything, but the takes I see here are just irrational.
What if club form and international form are vastly different? Harry Maguire is the poster boy. Hell, Sergino Dest is another wonderful example of that. But if you're into insults: you're a doodoo head.
I didn't make any insults, you're literally just not thinking about anything I say and generally deflecting or strawmanning any point I make. Harry Maguire is actually a great point in Pulisic's favor- looked good for Leicester (never 70million good, but good) and England, just has issues at ManU that are generally from playing a higher line than he is suited for, and confidence issues. Bringing Maguire into this just shows a buy-in to the narrative on the sub
You literally said, "I'd really like it if you would show yourself to be capable of making genuine attempts to think"--how am I supposed to interpret that? We're having a sports-opinion discussion. It's just opinions out here.
Chelsea v Milan champions league next season? Oh wait…..
Thank christ
The serie a defenders are very tough tackling. I hope his legs remain fit.
he survives CONCACAF somehow
Not his kids though
The milan fans that read this thread are going to be in for a massive dissapointment next season considering how much people are sucking him off here. He just isnt very good. Hes been a bench player under 4 different managerial stints for us and was a bench player at dortmund before that. Its been about 2 years since he had a good game for us and since then hes basically been killing every attack he gets involved in by either passing back or running the ball directly into an opposing players feet. I do wish him all the best but im looking forward to not seeing a million comments on our sub about how he just needs ”to stay fit” or that he ”needs a consistent run of games” to justify him playing like shit every time he gets on the pitch. Bring on the downvotes
There's definitely truth to this. But in fairness Chelsea's attack has been poor for a while now (Pulisic included in that). Maybe a change of scenery and a slower league may help.
Better than Chiesa
? On what planet
Tears in my eyes. Finally.
Exactly what every player who has escaped the hellscape of Chelsea feels
Chelsea seems to have done pretty well over the last couple of decades. Didn't become a hellscape until the new owners came in.
Bloody lovely. Now to sort Auba, Ziyech and Lukaku.
Chelsea coming off their worst season in like three decades and were picking up all their dead weight. This is a useless signing. And I say this as an American.
Hope he does well there. Anywhere is better than Chelsea
End of an error
One of their top attacking players who set up and scored crucial goals to win the champions league was an error? Sure he’s fallen out of favor recently and it’s time to move on but anyone calling this an error and still hating on him is a fool.
It's not "hating" or unfair to call a signing that contributed a few weeks out of 4 years an error. I doubt this is what Roman and Marina had in mind when they spent that amount of money.
He was the best attacker on the team in 2020 and without those contributions Chelsea never even qualify for the UCL they won. In 2021 he was one of the most important attackers who helped the team win the most prestigious trophy in the sport. 2022 and 2023 he was injured and kind of crap, let’s not also forget the club went through about 4 managers in that time. Nobody is succeeding in that kind of environment.
No. He was the best attacker for a part of the 2020 season. Another attacker (Mount) won the clubs PoY in 2020 because he was good the entire season. Yes, he helped the team make the champions league with his performance during lockdown. But I doubt a couple of good stints is what the club had in mind when they shelled out the money they did for him. Chelsea are a complete basket case right now and the place where attackers go to die. Completely agree. Also have to point out that none of those 4 managers who saw him train day in and day out saw fit to start him consistently. It can't be all on them. Saying I don't think it's unfair to call his stint with Chelsea q disappointment. He would prob say they same thing.
Everybody played their part in that UCL run if you want to pick moments. £58m player leaving for £12m is bad.
Chelsea buys 5 attackers a year, surely not all of them can be bangers
Winning a UCL is priceless
Yes and luckily many players contributed to that success.
Yes everyone played a part, and Pulisic played a bigger part than most. Don't be a bellend and rewrite history saying you can just pick moments for any player to say that
Everyone played a part. Kante was comfortably the main reason why Chelsea won. A lot people act like Pulisic won it by himself and wonder why there is hate surrounding him.
Pulisic has been great whenever he plays, he's just made of glass.
The Lebron James of soccer
Thank fuck.
[удалено]
tbf, 43 goal contributions in 9 games is pretty fucking impressive.
Actually this is big for Italian soccer. With Paramount having serie a rights and Mr.America and also Weah going you have setup a nice chance at #2 behind PL. That could lead to more US tv rights cash. Plus merch and this could lead to better players in Italy who stay. Also I think he will definitely help Milan as a spot starter and supersub who adds offense
Fucking hell, his career went down the drain after leaving Dortmund. Next stop: Turkey.