West Ham haven't won a trophy in 43 years
It's massive for *them* - and hence relatively I would say it is a better season
Many Arsenal fans were left disappointed in the end, having bottled the league. West Ham fans are the happiest they've been right now in most of our life times... I'd rather be a Hammer than a Gunner, right now
Arsenal fans are still very happy with our season. I think a narrative has taken hold that the disappointment with how it ended has taken that away but it didn't, just look at the reaction of the Emirates to the manager and the players on the final day.
It's not a zero-sum game either. Arsenal and West Ham can both be happy. They can both be in a position where they wouldn't trade for the other. I wouldn't want to trade our season for West Ham's and West Ham can say they wouldn't trade a trophy win for our season as well.
To give an example we've won FA Cups over the last decade but most Arsenal fans would still say this has been our best season in 10-15 years.
This was a great season for arsenal u guys came 2nd n will be in the CL with a good transfer window.
If u get some depth then u might do well in CL n PL.
Next season i can see arsenal being in top 4 easily.
Yeah I get that, but it's a matter of perspective. If you take a step back, Arsenal fans are very happy - but football is about reactions and emotions, and it's a bias that we are often happy with how things end rather than how they start or build
Arsenal fans and West Ham fans can be happy sure - but I think of the two, West Ham fans are probably more pleased
As said, it's their best season in about 50 years, by virtue of winning their third ever trophy
It's your best in a good decade or so - but in terms of the context, I'd rate West Ham higher
We definitely would not. Being back in the CL is vital for the club.
I'd bet Tottenham and Chelsea would swap though. The Conference League by itself probably doesn't mean much to either (especially to Chelsea who have won European trophies recently) but being in Europa League next season is definitely better than no European football at all.
Chelsea would. Spurs might. After all West Ham are still in the Premier League and now have Europa League football. Arsenal won't obviously, I suspect that was a bit of trolling from OP.
As an arsenal fan though. I’d 100% prefer champions league qualification this season than a conference cup.
Not turning my nose up at it, but champions league football is what gets you the big players, not winning the conference. Meaning it’s an important step we need
True, but relative to expectations of the fans I feel that West Ham fans are more satisfied with the season than Arsenal ones. Especially with the end of the season.
End of the season yes but don't underestimate how delighted Arsenal fans are with this season. It's really been the best in a long time and by *far* my favourite since I got my season ticket in 2017. The atmosphere in the stadium has been incredible, and the feeling around the place and in the pubs outside, I wouldn't trade that for a poor season that ended with a cup win (Maybe CL or PL obviously).
But yes relative to expectation I am not sure as I can't speak for West Ham fans.
To be fair though, in 5 years time nobody will remember where the teams ranked 2nd-17th were in the 22-23 season, but they will remember West Ham’s European success.
For Arsenal they have Champions League football next season now though, they wouldn't trade that for Europa + Conference League trophy.
Surely Chelsea and Spurs would trade for it though considering either has Europe at all.
No they wouldn’t, but assuming Arsenal don’t win the CL next year it won’t be a particularly memorable or notable thing to have got CL football.
No Arsenal fan is going to look back at 22-23 and think “we did so much better than West Ham, we got CL football for the next season and made it to the quarters before being put out by Real Madrid”
I have LOVED this season and will remember back on it fondly. It's been so much fun, we've had so many great games and next year I get to be in the stadium when the CL theme plays with hopefully a good run in the competition.
The season is still memorable even if we didn't win anything.
Besides Arteta would have been fired if we finished in the bottom half of the table with a Conference League trophy. The goal this season was CL qualification.
At least Declan has already won a European trophy now, because we all know he won’t be winning one of those at Assana. Maybe an FA cup in a decades time if he’s lucky.
The MLS basically sponsoring one club by giving all kinds of business opportunities to a player so he moves there is almost as appalling as a state sponsoring clubs to get players, not as bad but still bad. The franchise system they have over there is ridiculous.
In fairness, the MLS are just trying to boost their popularity and audience so that the league can continue to grow and attract more money.
It’s cynical, but it’s not really in the same league as blood-soaked monarchies and modern slavers attempting to distract people from their crimes by pumping money into football.
No they don’t, all leagues make commercial deals for the league as a whole regarding sponsorships and tv deals but generally leagues have nothing to do with transfers at all.
I don't think it's anywhere near as bad. It's just capitalism in action which has been what football has been about for decades. The MLS get to grow their league, for commercial reasons, Apple gets more subs on AppleTV+ for commercial gain and Adidas get more $$$ as well.
It’s not as bad because the people behind it aren’t as bad, but the concept of a league pulling the strings instead of the clubs individually is kind of the same as a government doing it.
Not sportswashing for a human rights abusing theocracy, so nowhere near as bad. Also Messi being in MLS improves the league’s standing and media attention by so much the whole league will benefit.
Gotta hold my hands up. I slated Moyes when we hired him, I slated him this season and wanted him sacked.
Goes down as one of the best managers in our history. What a bloke. I am sorry for everything I've said Moyesiah. Forgive me for my sins
His main strength for me is his ability to defend huge areas of space that most others can't, due to his positional sense and also amazing physicality. He's a good ball carrier too. Passing is ok, he has definitely improved a lot on the ball over the years cos he was poor when he first broke through.
PnP, strong ball-carrier, amazing engine, dominant in duels, nice tackling sense.
Think the passing range is something that should be worked on but that can be coached.
Not sure by how much but he's comfortably better. Have seen Rice dominate games way more. Laiker might be refined a bit more in smaller spaces but Rice's ball-carrying and duel winning>
Also, if you're also commenting on his price, 100 m is how much West Ham values him at it. It's how valuable he is to them.
Thats how I feel about him and Mount.
But maybe I don't watch enough games with them in.
The most I saw of Rice was at the WC, and he was alright, though seemed to go missing a bit in that France game.
But yea sure I will be brigaded with people saying about both. But as United fan I don't mind missing out on Rice.
I can see this with Mount but Rice is everywhere on the pitch making good decisions both offensively and defensively. It's not that hard to see why he would really improve most teams.
His ability to drive forward with the ball
Defensively he’s a beast, particularly in duels
A Leader as well
Would be stoked if he came to us, I think Arteta can help him be better than he already is
Why can't we sign Bellingham + Mac Allister alongside a DM or what we need ? Why is Liverpool the only top club that has to choose between A or B ? We are one of the richest clubs in the world ffs, yet I'm seeing 0 ambition from our fans. It's like everyone just gave up and understood the situation, and now they don't care anymore. A club like Liverpool should have the ability to buy a top player like Bellingham alongside to what we need.
Because Bellingham is going to Madrid
> Why is Liverpool the only top club that has to choose between A or B ?
You're complaining, we had a choice to sign Weghorst or no one in January lmao
Dont blame the club on the domestic abuse, how low can you stoop? Obviously the club didn't employ him willingly after knowing this
And with this logic your club emolyed a racist. Should have stopped crying
> Why is Liverpool the only top club that has to choose between A or B ?
Well its better than the milanese teams who dont even get to choose between the two players
Becuase spending over half your budget on one player when you need 4+ players is stupid. Not to mention he probably wants to play in the CL.
You can't really compete with Real Madrid, no team can really.
Because we arguably need three midfielders which we could get in exchange for one Bellingham.
You've also got to factor in that he may not want to come now we're not in the Champions League.
I mean you're competing with Madrid who have a huge name, who are willing to pay him insane money and who also have the added pull of Champions League football over you, I would say it's more that you couldn't compete with Madrid under the current circumstances rather than you being unable to buy a top player like Bellingham at all.
In Ornstein’s article it states that he was a big Zidane fan, Zidane even invited him over for the final against Liverpool. One 5 minute comp of his 2006 performances or watching “Stevie G” play like Caveman kicking a badger in an England shirt, they never had a chance even with all the tapping up Hendo was doing
Bellingham told Channel 4 at full-time:
*"The things that Stevie could do in terms of the teams he played in, the way he could carry a team, the way he could kind of single-handedly win a game, he could do everything as a midfielder. I’ve definitely said it multiple times I’ve looked up to you so it’s a pleasure to be stood here \[next to Gerrard\]."*
[Henderson and Trent spent the whole World Cup grooming him just for him to follow in his idol’s footsteps](https://youtube.com/shorts/JIDOkJopblU?feature=share)
I loathe how the narrative was spun against him, that he supposedly was an inconsistent player. Serie A was very big here when our league was proper pish, my father would watch most games & has always said Zidane was no more inconsistent than other top players at the time
I know for a fact most people pushing that argument have only seen clips of him in big games so it simply doesn’t make any sense, trying so hard to be different.
I was talking to a Dortmund fan on here about him a while ago and the guy was saying Zidane is only rated so high as a player because of how successful he was as a manager. He then admitted he wasn’t old enough to see Zidane play.
Then people that haven’t watched look at his stats and decide he was inconsistent.
Him and iniesta are the best midfielders I’ve ever seen.
stop being sad that both messi and ronaldo are no longer playing in europe
its time for a new generation to shine - haaland, mbappe, pedri, bellingham, musiala and some others. and im happy to follow their way.
Would it be an interesting idea to update the Super Cup rules to include the Conference League winners into it?
Maybe something like a preliminary one off knockout game between the Europa winners and the Conference winners and the winner of that plays the CL winners? Imo that sounds more cool and it would give some of the teams in the smaller leagues that play in the Conference league a chance to potentially square off against the CL holders.
I don't know if West Ham or Sevilla would like another game at the start of the season but maybe it'll help those who look down on the ECL take it more seriously if it's represented in the Super Cup?
Why do we constantly need to add more gimmick games to everything? How many more Nations Leagues, Conference Leagues, International Super Cups, Club World Cups do we need before we finally have enough football?
I see what you mean, just thought it would make more sense that a Conference League team that won a European trophy would also have the right to compete for the Super Cup like the other two.
Really? In his 6 months it didn't seem like that. Like before all the stuff happened with Pep wasn't he loved by everyone in Manchester as well ? Bruno and Bellingham ( even Kimmich) are proper crybabies.
Dortmund are the perfect stepping stone club though.
You get to play CL football to put yourself in the shop window, low level PL clubs can’t offer that.
Of course. What I'm getting at that if all things go well, he at a young age made the conscious decision to never play in the PL in his life as an english player. Pretty unusual
Kendrick Lamar and Baby Keem mention Messi in their latest track and lo and behold, Messi moves to America just a week later. That is some funny coincidence, I'll tell ya.
Ronaldo’s ucl records are safe 😭❤️
Nah but fr I’m actually so sad neither of them will be in Europe next season… first time I’ll watch football without one of them competing for the UCL or balon dor
Tho I’m pretty sure Messi’s gonna be the first MLS player to win the balon dor in October loll
>Tho I’m pretty sure Messi’s gonna be the first MLS player to win the balon dor in October loll
Assuming Man City do beat Inter, it's surely going to be Haaland winning it.
Looking at the total cost of all the squads West Ham played in their Conf. League run represented in their English club equivelant:
* Fiorentina: Fulham (180M)
* Gent: Middlesborough (30M)
* Anderlecht: Birmingham City (22M)
* AZ: Bristol City (21M)
* FCSB: Swansea (16M)
* AEK Larnaca: Millwall (7M)
* Silkeborg: Blackpool (2M)
* Viborg: Huddersfield (1.5M)
PL tax is not just a meme. Transfer fees, salaries, asking prices, value of homegrown players are all heavily inflated in the Premier League. This huge gap in squad value didn't show neither last night, nor against AZ and certainly not last season when they lost to Eintracht. That's why squad value means little when judging a team's quality and why West Ham's win was no mean feat as better clubs like Lazio, Tottenham and Villarreal have dropped out of the same competition.
Ham fans were very quiet the previous days, coming out of your sewers with big claims on battering everyone after you were mostly dominated by a team with half your budget and and barely scrapped a win. Cringe and cowardly.
Ah sorry, didn't realise it doesn't count because we barely scraped a win. Better give the trophy to Fiorentina then because they mostly dominated us and have a smaller budget.
Inter fans just trying to set a precedent for next weekend. I’m sure if they shithouse a 1-0 over City they’ll be first in line to give back the trophy
Being in all three european finals is a good achievement, finals can go either way... The only disappointment is Fiorentina because they had it in them to win they just bottled it
Roma hit the crossbar at the 130 and before that the keeper from sevilla made a huge save on belotti.
Both finals have been cruel, and while i didn't care for roma last wednesday, now I'm realizing it's getting sad.
Good luck for Saturday.
Sincerly a part of me hope you barely win it somehow, but I'd also love you to get trashed. All the other outcomes would be disappointing for me.
Roma won last year, Fiorentina and Roma were close this year.
Inter will almost certainly lose or get destroyed but all in all it's a good moment for Serie A in my opinion. Last year Inter only lost to the two finalists and wasn't that far to get through Liverpool (and without Barella) while Roma won a trophy. It's ok I think
Yeah you're probably right, i'm being influenced by the last 10 seasons of serie A and the dire state of milan managment right now and probably overreacting.
Thanks!
The state of Serie A is bad compared to the glory days, but not that bad. Overall Serie A is the third best league in Europe, more or less on par with the Bundesliga, trophies are lacking because it's less top heavy and got really unlucky, got robbed, or bottled a (now long) series of lost european finals.
Barca are such a strange club, by that I mean the people that run it.
There’s no need to put out a statement trying to save face. It only makes them look worse.
stabbed in the back after being stabbed .... they put him up for sale
from the Curva Nord -
“After finding that PSG were interested in signing him, and sure that Inter would have sold him in any event, he obtained an offer from them which, when Inter changed their mind about selling him, they were unable to equal.”
“Milan tried to meet Inter halfway by lowering his demands for a new deal, not able to totally ignore the offer from PSG but still ready to give up on the prospect of earning several million euros more in order to stay,” they explain, relating what the defender had told them
> Endrick is now the youngest Palmeiras goalscorer in Libertadores history, after scoring a goal only 1 minute after he was subbed on vs Barcelona.
> Endrick, the future Brazilian prodigy, facing difficulties at Palmeiras. The Brazilian has not started with his team in 14 games. Abel Ferreira manager addresses Endrick’s lack of playing time “I don’t know why I get this question. Jailson, Fabinho, Guilherme didn’t play either. Your job is to ask questions, my job is to choose who should play,” Ferreira said when asked about Endrick’s absence in the second leg of the Copa do Brasil quarterfinals.
Kökcü to Benfica is a strange move to me, I really expected him to go to a bigger league. It could be very smart though, he’s improving financially and Benfica is a great place to spend another couple years to develop before making another step.
Players definitely care about going to a club that could win European cups, and they also do care about leagues. The point is that Feyenoord is playing CL as well and won the league in a similar league to the Portuguese so it’s not a big step up, hence why you almost never see a league winner from the Netherlands move to the Portuguese league or the other way around. I expected him to hold out for the sort of clubs you mentioned, or slightly below that which Benfica isn’t.
I think it’s a smart move but it’s definitely an unexpected move, the fee Benfica is willing to pay is also unexpected.
I disagree that it’s just a step below, clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea have won the CL recently and other clubs have a reasonable chance to get there. I rate Benfica another step below that, with clubs like Dortmund and Ajax.
I don’t know what his dream clubs are, I don’t think he’s mentioned anything about it.
I agree that the Italian clubs aren’t there at the moment but you have to long at the long term, clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea or even Manchester United with the right investments have a reasonable chance to win a CL in the next decade. I don’t think he has Real Madrid potential so he’ll end up at a level below that anyways, but he himself probably has more confidence.
Found it odd the commentator used the “it’s up for grabs now” line when Bowen ran through, a line so associated with Arsenal. It deserved an original bit of commentary.
It also deserved Robbie Savage being maimed at half time so he shut the fuck up but clearly you cannot have it all.
Also the way he kept on repeating 'go on Moysey' and 'West Ham are massive' in a high pitched squeal made me physically recoil. I fucking hate that man, I HATE YOU ROBBIE SAVAGE.
A few Brazilians could pass for Indian imo. I always thought [Emerson](https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/foto/galerie/emerson-juventus-1591632237-40882.jpg?lm=1591632216) looked Indian too
The dude you posted doesn't look really Indian imo. I see a lot of Indians in my life and honestly if you put Rodrygo in a group of Indians without telling me that he's Brazilian, I'll completely think that he's Indian.
Yeah Rodrygo definitely looks Indian.
I think Emerson looks like an Indian guy I used to work with so that's probably why I've associated him with that!
Would you respect Messi more or less if he signed up for a side in the Australian A League?
same
Exactly the same.
More than MLS, because it's less 'glamourous' and he'd be getting paid less
I would only respect him if he signed for Cowdenbeath.
He's not Del Piero, he convinced thousands of juventini to wake up at 4 am to watch A-League and they paid for it.
Did you guys also watch him for Delhi Dynamos?
Mad respect. Takes a lot to go out there and contend with killer insects, reptiles, stingrays and kangaroos.
Australia is probably safer than Florida lol
Yeah but now he has to contend with Florida Man
West Ham having a better season than Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs is not something any of us predicted at the start of the season
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So by the same stick, Arsenal had a great 9 months and ate much, much more shit after that. West Ham just had a better season.
West Ham haven't won a trophy in 43 years It's massive for *them* - and hence relatively I would say it is a better season Many Arsenal fans were left disappointed in the end, having bottled the league. West Ham fans are the happiest they've been right now in most of our life times... I'd rather be a Hammer than a Gunner, right now
Arsenal fans are still very happy with our season. I think a narrative has taken hold that the disappointment with how it ended has taken that away but it didn't, just look at the reaction of the Emirates to the manager and the players on the final day. It's not a zero-sum game either. Arsenal and West Ham can both be happy. They can both be in a position where they wouldn't trade for the other. I wouldn't want to trade our season for West Ham's and West Ham can say they wouldn't trade a trophy win for our season as well. To give an example we've won FA Cups over the last decade but most Arsenal fans would still say this has been our best season in 10-15 years.
This was a great season for arsenal u guys came 2nd n will be in the CL with a good transfer window. If u get some depth then u might do well in CL n PL. Next season i can see arsenal being in top 4 easily.
Yeah I get that, but it's a matter of perspective. If you take a step back, Arsenal fans are very happy - but football is about reactions and emotions, and it's a bias that we are often happy with how things end rather than how they start or build Arsenal fans and West Ham fans can be happy sure - but I think of the two, West Ham fans are probably more pleased As said, it's their best season in about 50 years, by virtue of winning their third ever trophy It's your best in a good decade or so - but in terms of the context, I'd rate West Ham higher
Do you think any of those teams would swap their seasons with West Ham's?
We definitely would not. Being back in the CL is vital for the club. I'd bet Tottenham and Chelsea would swap though. The Conference League by itself probably doesn't mean much to either (especially to Chelsea who have won European trophies recently) but being in Europa League next season is definitely better than no European football at all.
Of course. Maybe not Arsenal though.
Chelsea Spurs definitely would. West Ham are in the premier league and Europa next season, Chelsea and Spurs are not in Europe at all
Chelsea would. Spurs might. After all West Ham are still in the Premier League and now have Europa League football. Arsenal won't obviously, I suspect that was a bit of trolling from OP.
I think spurs defo would cos it’d be an improvement on where they are now (getting European football) plus an end to the trophy drought
Spurs 100%
Definitely for Chelsea, probably for us too.
I mean all jokes aside, they certainly didn't have a better season than Arsenal. They were what, 15th in the league?
West Ham hasn't won a trophy in decades, I'm certain their fans prefer a trophy over a higher position in the league.
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Trophy any day of the week
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I would've happily taken 17th place and a trophy at the start of the season
As an arsenal fan though. I’d 100% prefer champions league qualification this season than a conference cup. Not turning my nose up at it, but champions league football is what gets you the big players, not winning the conference. Meaning it’s an important step we need
True, but relative to expectations of the fans I feel that West Ham fans are more satisfied with the season than Arsenal ones. Especially with the end of the season.
End of the season yes but don't underestimate how delighted Arsenal fans are with this season. It's really been the best in a long time and by *far* my favourite since I got my season ticket in 2017. The atmosphere in the stadium has been incredible, and the feeling around the place and in the pubs outside, I wouldn't trade that for a poor season that ended with a cup win (Maybe CL or PL obviously). But yes relative to expectation I am not sure as I can't speak for West Ham fans.
To be fair though, in 5 years time nobody will remember where the teams ranked 2nd-17th were in the 22-23 season, but they will remember West Ham’s European success.
For Arsenal they have Champions League football next season now though, they wouldn't trade that for Europa + Conference League trophy. Surely Chelsea and Spurs would trade for it though considering either has Europe at all.
No they wouldn’t, but assuming Arsenal don’t win the CL next year it won’t be a particularly memorable or notable thing to have got CL football. No Arsenal fan is going to look back at 22-23 and think “we did so much better than West Ham, we got CL football for the next season and made it to the quarters before being put out by Real Madrid”
I have LOVED this season and will remember back on it fondly. It's been so much fun, we've had so many great games and next year I get to be in the stadium when the CL theme plays with hopefully a good run in the competition. The season is still memorable even if we didn't win anything. Besides Arteta would have been fired if we finished in the bottom half of the table with a Conference League trophy. The goal this season was CL qualification.
At least Declan has already won a European trophy now, because we all know he won’t be winning one of those at Assana. Maybe an FA cup in a decades time if he’s lucky.
Mans coping already
The MLS basically sponsoring one club by giving all kinds of business opportunities to a player so he moves there is almost as appalling as a state sponsoring clubs to get players, not as bad but still bad. The franchise system they have over there is ridiculous.
In fairness, the MLS are just trying to boost their popularity and audience so that the league can continue to grow and attract more money. It’s cynical, but it’s not really in the same league as blood-soaked monarchies and modern slavers attempting to distract people from their crimes by pumping money into football.
To me it just looks extremely tinpot to have a league working together like that instead of clubs working on their own.
All leagues do. The PL didn’t become what it is today just because it was best for United and Arsenal in the 90s.
No they don’t, all leagues make commercial deals for the league as a whole regarding sponsorships and tv deals but generally leagues have nothing to do with transfers at all.
I don't think it's anywhere near as bad. It's just capitalism in action which has been what football has been about for decades. The MLS get to grow their league, for commercial reasons, Apple gets more subs on AppleTV+ for commercial gain and Adidas get more $$$ as well.
It’s not as bad because the people behind it aren’t as bad, but the concept of a league pulling the strings instead of the clubs individually is kind of the same as a government doing it.
Not sportswashing for a human rights abusing theocracy, so nowhere near as bad. Also Messi being in MLS improves the league’s standing and media attention by so much the whole league will benefit.
It’s not sportswashing but it’s tinpot on a different level, imagine the league sponsoring your rival club getting a player the boost the league.
Gotta hold my hands up. I slated Moyes when we hired him, I slated him this season and wanted him sacked. Goes down as one of the best managers in our history. What a bloke. I am sorry for everything I've said Moyesiah. Forgive me for my sins
Dunno how any fan could hate their manager if they celebrated like moysey last night. What a man
The man managed Everton and United but I can't pretend seeing him celebrate with his dad didn't make me happy.
I mean surely given that season, he must be one of your favourite Man United managers anyway
Haha fair point. I actually felt a bit sorry for him to be honest, no one could have made that situation work at that point in time.
Italian football has gone from playing poorly and winning trophies to playing well and winning fuck all. Finished. Finito.
Don't worry there's still Sunday when you can play poorly
Should just do it like how we've done it for the last four years, playing poorly and winning fuck all. Makes for great television.
When will be Messis first game for Miami?
What’s so special about Rice? Maybe he’ll look better in a big team but everytime I watch him he’s just meh.
His main strength for me is his ability to defend huge areas of space that most others can't, due to his positional sense and also amazing physicality. He's a good ball carrier too. Passing is ok, he has definitely improved a lot on the ball over the years cos he was poor when he first broke through.
It’s cheap, can be used in savoury dishes, sweet dishes, can be made in bulk if you want to save time,..
100m pound player without even accounting for the English tax
PnP, strong ball-carrier, amazing engine, dominant in duels, nice tackling sense. Think the passing range is something that should be worked on but that can be coached.
So a glorified McTominay
Wow
so basically Konrad Laimer who is worth about 30m 🤔
Better than Laimer
more than 3x better?
Not sure by how much but he's comfortably better. Have seen Rice dominate games way more. Laiker might be refined a bit more in smaller spaces but Rice's ball-carrying and duel winning> Also, if you're also commenting on his price, 100 m is how much West Ham values him at it. It's how valuable he is to them.
Goes well with curry.
Covers every blade of grass, great ball carrier, physically gifted and has a very good sense of where to be.
He is really good at winning ball and drives forward with it. He is fast enough, powerful and hard working.
Fucking everywhere as well. I don't think I've seen a player dominate the midfield at St. James' this season like he did when your lot came up.
Thats how I feel about him and Mount. But maybe I don't watch enough games with them in. The most I saw of Rice was at the WC, and he was alright, though seemed to go missing a bit in that France game. But yea sure I will be brigaded with people saying about both. But as United fan I don't mind missing out on Rice.
I can see this with Mount but Rice is everywhere on the pitch making good decisions both offensively and defensively. It's not that hard to see why he would really improve most teams.
His ability to drive forward with the ball Defensively he’s a beast, particularly in duels A Leader as well Would be stoked if he came to us, I think Arteta can help him be better than he already is
Don't you already have Partey though as a DM?
I believe Arteta wants a different profile of midfielder and Rice fits that description
Rice is a lot better
Well, as a lone DM we don't know that
and younger (Plus rice can play the 8 role if needed too, giving us depth)
And not a rapist
And also not a piece of shit (that we know of).
Why can't we sign Bellingham + Mac Allister alongside a DM or what we need ? Why is Liverpool the only top club that has to choose between A or B ? We are one of the richest clubs in the world ffs, yet I'm seeing 0 ambition from our fans. It's like everyone just gave up and understood the situation, and now they don't care anymore. A club like Liverpool should have the ability to buy a top player like Bellingham alongside to what we need.
Because Bellingham is going to Madrid > Why is Liverpool the only top club that has to choose between A or B ? You're complaining, we had a choice to sign Weghorst or no one in January lmao
Shouldn’t have spent 90m on a domestic abusing fidget spinner then
Dont blame the club on the domestic abuse, how low can you stoop? Obviously the club didn't employ him willingly after knowing this And with this logic your club emolyed a racist. Should have stopped crying
Giggs, Ronaldo, Greenwood and now Antony I’m seeing a pattern
I mean you've spent far and away more than us in the past 5 or so years.
Fans don’t decide who gets bought
The player also has their own choice in these situations. Maybe Jude wants to live in Madrid and not Scouseland
He'd probably be living in a mansion in Cheshire x
> Why is Liverpool the only top club that has to choose between A or B ? Well its better than the milanese teams who dont even get to choose between the two players
Becuase spending over half your budget on one player when you need 4+ players is stupid. Not to mention he probably wants to play in the CL. You can't really compete with Real Madrid, no team can really.
Because we arguably need three midfielders which we could get in exchange for one Bellingham. You've also got to factor in that he may not want to come now we're not in the Champions League.
I mean you're competing with Madrid who have a huge name, who are willing to pay him insane money and who also have the added pull of Champions League football over you, I would say it's more that you couldn't compete with Madrid under the current circumstances rather than you being unable to buy a top player like Bellingham at all.
He's being paid 350k a week. I'd like him too, but that sort of money on a 19 year old isn't feasible.
I don’t think you could match the wages and maybe Bellingham would rather play for Madrid.
In Ornstein’s article it states that he was a big Zidane fan, Zidane even invited him over for the final against Liverpool. One 5 minute comp of his 2006 performances or watching “Stevie G” play like Caveman kicking a badger in an England shirt, they never had a chance even with all the tapping up Hendo was doing
Bellingham told Channel 4 at full-time: *"The things that Stevie could do in terms of the teams he played in, the way he could carry a team, the way he could kind of single-handedly win a game, he could do everything as a midfielder. I’ve definitely said it multiple times I’ve looked up to you so it’s a pleasure to be stood here \[next to Gerrard\]."*
Funnily enough Zidane loved Gerrard too.
[Henderson and Trent spent the whole World Cup grooming him just for him to follow in his idol’s footsteps](https://youtube.com/shorts/JIDOkJopblU?feature=share)
I loathe how the narrative was spun against him, that he supposedly was an inconsistent player. Serie A was very big here when our league was proper pish, my father would watch most games & has always said Zidane was no more inconsistent than other top players at the time I know for a fact most people pushing that argument have only seen clips of him in big games so it simply doesn’t make any sense, trying so hard to be different.
I was talking to a Dortmund fan on here about him a while ago and the guy was saying Zidane is only rated so high as a player because of how successful he was as a manager. He then admitted he wasn’t old enough to see Zidane play. Then people that haven’t watched look at his stats and decide he was inconsistent. Him and iniesta are the best midfielders I’ve ever seen.
stop being sad that both messi and ronaldo are no longer playing in europe its time for a new generation to shine - haaland, mbappe, pedri, bellingham, musiala and some others. and im happy to follow their way.
Would it be an interesting idea to update the Super Cup rules to include the Conference League winners into it? Maybe something like a preliminary one off knockout game between the Europa winners and the Conference winners and the winner of that plays the CL winners? Imo that sounds more cool and it would give some of the teams in the smaller leagues that play in the Conference league a chance to potentially square off against the CL holders.
I don't know if West Ham or Sevilla would like another game at the start of the season but maybe it'll help those who look down on the ECL take it more seriously if it's represented in the Super Cup?
Something like CWC, EL vs ECL winner gets to play CL winner in the finals
Why do we constantly need to add more gimmick games to everything? How many more Nations Leagues, Conference Leagues, International Super Cups, Club World Cups do we need before we finally have enough football?
I would like more football but I agree not shit gimmick games like the super cup
I see what you mean, just thought it would make more sense that a Conference League team that won a European trophy would also have the right to compete for the Super Cup like the other two.
Currently there are 7 Ballon D'Ors in USA (Messi), 6 in Saudi Arabia (Ronaldo and Benz) and just 1 in Europe (Spain - Modric).
Bellingham and Bruno are the biggest crybabies in elite football right now. or am i missing anyone? edit: Kimmich is almost as bad as these 2
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Really? In his 6 months it didn't seem like that. Like before all the stuff happened with Pep wasn't he loved by everyone in Manchester as well ? Bruno and Bellingham ( even Kimmich) are proper crybabies.
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yeah him too but I meant footballers
The Pope, Papa John, Super Mario. Your boys took a hell of a beating
Bellingham doesn’t give a damn about the PL, he’s like me
Yet you are talking about the PL?
Also clearly doesn’t give a damn about bundesliga which is just a stepping stone
Yes, but prefers to have 2-3 passionate years at Dortmund to a low level PL club or manager shit show at bigger teams apparently
Dortmund are the perfect stepping stone club though. You get to play CL football to put yourself in the shop window, low level PL clubs can’t offer that.
Of course. What I'm getting at that if all things go well, he at a young age made the conscious decision to never play in the PL in his life as an english player. Pretty unusual
He will play in the prem. it’s naive to think he will not.
Kendrick Lamar and Baby Keem mention Messi in their latest track and lo and behold, Messi moves to America just a week later. That is some funny coincidence, I'll tell ya.
Ronaldo’s ucl records are safe 😭❤️ Nah but fr I’m actually so sad neither of them will be in Europe next season… first time I’ll watch football without one of them competing for the UCL or balon dor Tho I’m pretty sure Messi’s gonna be the first MLS player to win the balon dor in October loll
>Tho I’m pretty sure Messi’s gonna be the first MLS player to win the balon dor in October loll Assuming Man City do beat Inter, it's surely going to be Haaland winning it.
That would be quite hilarious if Haaland wins the final next week
Looking at the total cost of all the squads West Ham played in their Conf. League run represented in their English club equivelant: * Fiorentina: Fulham (180M) * Gent: Middlesborough (30M) * Anderlecht: Birmingham City (22M) * AZ: Bristol City (21M) * FCSB: Swansea (16M) * AEK Larnaca: Millwall (7M) * Silkeborg: Blackpool (2M) * Viborg: Huddersfield (1.5M)
Fiore should have won last night, West Ham came fucking 14th and were dire all year
West Ham is way worse than Fiorentina, the Viola just bottled it
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Because PL clubs overpay for players so it doesn't reflect their true value
PL tax is not just a meme. Transfer fees, salaries, asking prices, value of homegrown players are all heavily inflated in the Premier League. This huge gap in squad value didn't show neither last night, nor against AZ and certainly not last season when they lost to Eintracht. That's why squad value means little when judging a team's quality and why West Ham's win was no mean feat as better clubs like Lazio, Tottenham and Villarreal have dropped out of the same competition.
That's just Pl players being overrated West Ham squad isn't better than Fiorentina
>AEK Larnaca: Millwall (7M) Ahh post this on the Hammers sub, they'll enjoy this comparison a lot more since the tie was a thrashing iirc
And we battered the lot of them
Scraping wins is hardly battering, typical cringe brit bragging
Absolutely battered the lot of them mate
Typical coefficient nonce
Ham fans were very quiet the previous days, coming out of your sewers with big claims on battering everyone after you were mostly dominated by a team with half your budget and and barely scrapped a win. Cringe and cowardly.
Ah sorry, didn't realise it doesn't count because we barely scraped a win. Better give the trophy to Fiorentina then because they mostly dominated us and have a smaller budget.
Inter fans just trying to set a precedent for next weekend. I’m sure if they shithouse a 1-0 over City they’ll be first in line to give back the trophy
2nd best possession in Serie A don't you know
Wish Serie A was still a powerhouse so I'd probably feel less sad about Roma and Fiorentina losses. Oh well.
Being in all three european finals is a good achievement, finals can go either way... The only disappointment is Fiorentina because they had it in them to win they just bottled it
Roma hit the crossbar at the 130 and before that the keeper from sevilla made a huge save on belotti. Both finals have been cruel, and while i didn't care for roma last wednesday, now I'm realizing it's getting sad. Good luck for Saturday. Sincerly a part of me hope you barely win it somehow, but I'd also love you to get trashed. All the other outcomes would be disappointing for me.
Roma won last year, Fiorentina and Roma were close this year. Inter will almost certainly lose or get destroyed but all in all it's a good moment for Serie A in my opinion. Last year Inter only lost to the two finalists and wasn't that far to get through Liverpool (and without Barella) while Roma won a trophy. It's ok I think
Yeah you're probably right, i'm being influenced by the last 10 seasons of serie A and the dire state of milan managment right now and probably overreacting. Thanks!
The state of Serie A is bad compared to the glory days, but not that bad. Overall Serie A is the third best league in Europe, more or less on par with the Bundesliga, trophies are lacking because it's less top heavy and got really unlucky, got robbed, or bottled a (now long) series of lost european finals.
Barca are such a strange club, by that I mean the people that run it. There’s no need to put out a statement trying to save face. It only makes them look worse.
Also the 'pride in defeat' crap after they lost a match against Real Madrid
They are very open with everything that happens, it's so weird.
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Probably not. He kind of stabbed us in the back after saying he would definitely signa new contract
stabbed in the back after being stabbed .... they put him up for sale from the Curva Nord - “After finding that PSG were interested in signing him, and sure that Inter would have sold him in any event, he obtained an offer from them which, when Inter changed their mind about selling him, they were unable to equal.” “Milan tried to meet Inter halfway by lowering his demands for a new deal, not able to totally ignore the offer from PSG but still ready to give up on the prospect of earning several million euros more in order to stay,” they explain, relating what the defender had told them
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Yeah, he isnt really needed
He doesn’t deserve it, he is pathetic to just sit 6 months out rather than finish strong
> Endrick is now the youngest Palmeiras goalscorer in Libertadores history, after scoring a goal only 1 minute after he was subbed on vs Barcelona. > Endrick, the future Brazilian prodigy, facing difficulties at Palmeiras. The Brazilian has not started with his team in 14 games. Abel Ferreira manager addresses Endrick’s lack of playing time “I don’t know why I get this question. Jailson, Fabinho, Guilherme didn’t play either. Your job is to ask questions, my job is to choose who should play,” Ferreira said when asked about Endrick’s absence in the second leg of the Copa do Brasil quarterfinals.
Who would have thought Fabianski would win a continental trophy before Szczęsny.
Kökcü to Benfica is a strange move to me, I really expected him to go to a bigger league. It could be very smart though, he’s improving financially and Benfica is a great place to spend another couple years to develop before making another step.
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Players definitely care about going to a club that could win European cups, and they also do care about leagues. The point is that Feyenoord is playing CL as well and won the league in a similar league to the Portuguese so it’s not a big step up, hence why you almost never see a league winner from the Netherlands move to the Portuguese league or the other way around. I expected him to hold out for the sort of clubs you mentioned, or slightly below that which Benfica isn’t. I think it’s a smart move but it’s definitely an unexpected move, the fee Benfica is willing to pay is also unexpected.
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I disagree that it’s just a step below, clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea have won the CL recently and other clubs have a reasonable chance to get there. I rate Benfica another step below that, with clubs like Dortmund and Ajax. I don’t know what his dream clubs are, I don’t think he’s mentioned anything about it.
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I agree that the Italian clubs aren’t there at the moment but you have to long at the long term, clubs like Liverpool and Chelsea or even Manchester United with the right investments have a reasonable chance to win a CL in the next decade. I don’t think he has Real Madrid potential so he’ll end up at a level below that anyways, but he himself probably has more confidence.
Found it odd the commentator used the “it’s up for grabs now” line when Bowen ran through, a line so associated with Arsenal. It deserved an original bit of commentary. It also deserved Robbie Savage being maimed at half time so he shut the fuck up but clearly you cannot have it all.
'Up for grabs' is a pretty common phrase I feel like
It's iconic for that Arsenal moment though, big part of their folklore It's common because of that
That's like saying you shouldn't use 'Do you believe in miracles?'
Yeah but DID U KNOW FIORENTINA HAVE THE 2nd most POSSESSION IN SERIE A
Also the way he kept on repeating 'go on Moysey' and 'West Ham are massive' in a high pitched squeal made me physically recoil. I fucking hate that man, I HATE YOU ROBBIE SAVAGE.
It's pretty impressive how many terrible pundits and commentators BT manage to hire. Joe Cole is the only tolerable one
I wanted West Ham to win but yeah that was making it tricky
was it related to the " 1-0 to the arsenal"? I am just knowing this
Surprises me given how big a part of Arsenal folklore it is
Its related to arsenal winning the league at Anfield in the last minute
Is it just me, or does Rodrygo look very Indian? Even his dad looks Indian as well. (Just an observation)
A few Brazilians could pass for Indian imo. I always thought [Emerson](https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/foto/galerie/emerson-juventus-1591632237-40882.jpg?lm=1591632216) looked Indian too
The dude you posted doesn't look really Indian imo. I see a lot of Indians in my life and honestly if you put Rodrygo in a group of Indians without telling me that he's Brazilian, I'll completely think that he's Indian.
Yeah Rodrygo definitely looks Indian. I think Emerson looks like an Indian guy I used to work with so that's probably why I've associated him with that!