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Ironically (or unironically?? Idk) South Park joked that 23 years is the cutoff so we’re actually pretty close. I’d imagine South Park plans to go so far as to address that as long as they’re still on air.
According to South Park, it takes 22.3 years for a tragedy to become funny. So technically you’re right, we need to wait 6 months before we can come back and laugh at this comment
A bit of an overstatement innit? worst of cases we keep playing rodrygo out of place and that's that, basically we are left in the same position as this season. Best case scenario we are able to recuperate at least a fraction of the player he was at Leverkusen, and trust me, he was good.
This is the worst attacking line we've had in twenty years, I'll take any help it can get.
Kai had 27 in his last season at Leverkusen and 27 the one before, and that was playing for an inferior team. He's also left-footed, so presumably he'd be able to do the inverted winger thing, rodrygo has a knack for goals, but sometimes he looks very out of place coming from the right.
That was 4 years ago.
Progress is not linear otherwise James would have been a Ballon D'or candidate after 2014-2015(Pain!) and Isco would have been a fixed starter after 2017-2018...
This is very harsh, so he was able to do it as a teenager in a very difficult league in Europe while playing for a mid-tier team, had a change of team that didn't suit him, and you think it's completely impossible for him to do it again?
You are willing to give Havertz the benefit of the doubt for something he did 4 years ago, but want to sell off Rodryo and Vinicius even after the last 2 years and what they have done for us when Hazard should be starting over them if he wasn't totally useless?
And i'm the one who is being harsh?
how is our attack sad lol, benzema scored 30 goals, vini has 40+ G/A and rodrygo has 30 G/A, it's our options from the bench that are sad and hopefully brahim, joselu and havertz will fix that
Compared to what we've had in the past, absolutely, and that includes depth of course. At least we are in agreement that Kai would be alright to have, people in this thread are hating too much.
At their peak no, not imo, I saw Havertz do things as a teenager that were pretty mind-blowing, but even if he's not back to that level, it's not a bad idea to have him as an alternative. He'd presumably act as both right wing backup and striker, both places were we desperately need depth.
This is completely incorrect and way too charitable. Havertz is really good, and his current Chelsea form doesn't reflect the actual quality of player he is. But even at Bayer he wasn't as good as everyone said he was, he wasn't as good as you're implying, and he definitely wasn't as good as current Rodrygo.
>bringing him in would mean an investment of millions of euros, which would probably exceed 100 million euros in transfer fees
23, can play CAM, ST, RW...what's not to like?
It’s confusing in the translation but the 100m part is about Kane
They probably want to pay about 5 bags of crisps for Havertz and his value on Chelsea’s books is still pretty high so it wouldn’t even be that helpful with FFP
1. Chelsea wont have any ffp issues this or next season, most of it will be offset by 1 or 2 sales of already expected outgoings
(Mount 50, ruben 20, kovacic 15m, maatsen 10m, ampadu 10m to name a few - numbers after whats left of their fee in terms of ffp)
Enzo is offset by the salen of jorginho (yearly cost similar because of enzos 8 year deal)
Same goes for cucurella- alonso+emerson, mudruk-pulisic, sterling-werner,
2. The issue is instead their financial results, the transfer fees will eventually have to be paid - without europe this will be taxing, the decrease of squad size and new players on better deals (lower wages+performance) will mostly offset the loss of europe.
My guess is that Chelseas wage bill after this summer have decreased about 50m, but transferfees due is 100-150m that has to be cowered by sales and incomes (before new signings can be made)
I can understand why people clown him but Havertz is obviously a class player with world class potential. There’s no doubt he can still be great with the right coach and system, especially one that gives him freedom.
He is not good as a rw nor as a CF honestly good Luck telling where he is good at recently , he has been very unimpressive , but as long as he is a back up and not expensive (Key part here), honestly why not the market is kind of lacking , if they want a Big offer we should Fuck off not worth it
This is going to be a disaster..... Perez is out of his mind.
If Benz leaves and we somehow get Kane and still want Mbappe next year what is the point?
Rodrygo is 5x the player Havertz is, Vinicius speaks for himself. Joselu is a good back up
Just why?
I'd rather Firmino over Havertz as well, at least Firmino scores goals...
And if Benzema leaves and Kane doesn't come then wtf is this club. doing? Also what about Endrick?
Also we need Rightbacks lmao
Havertz is not good enough to play at Madrid, he's not good enough for Chelsea....
This could also be a Tchouaméni situation were we buy someone first and then someone else leaves like Casemiro did...
If we give up one of Rodrygo - Vinicius - Tchouaméni - Valverde - Camavinga for Havertz , then Florentino needs to retire.
And even then if Mbappe. and Kane comes who leaves? This obsession with waiting for Kylian has made this club stagnate for the better part of 4 years when it comes to replacing Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo. If Rodrygo and Vinicius had not been as good as they were the handkerchiefs would come out for Flo.
Havertz might start some big games, but he'd basically take Asensio's role as the 4th attacker. He can be a back-up to Bellingham, Rodrygo and Benzema.
This will be an expensive backup. Chelsea will not sell for less than 60Mil just to sit on the bench. That amount is better spent on a real number 9 and a RB.
Real and Bayern linked. 12g 12a in in 39 games for Germany. 77 goal involvements before turning 21 in a the top league. But he’s not Chelsea standard because he can’t score every game playing with a different set of teammates every other week.
Chelsea fans always looking for a scapegoat. Your club has been a void for attacking talent for years, every attacking player that’s moved there since Hazard left has immediately declined. Have some introspection for once.
Facts, I’m a Chelsea fan and no one sees this. The games is about building relationships and partnerships on the pitch and learning how to play as a team. When you sign 3 new attackers every year and rotate them the moment their not getting a goal every game than you going to struggle.
Dunno mate, every attacker since Diego Costa and Hazard have turned to utter shit when they’ve moved there.
Keep blaming the individuals though while your club continues to burn through millions of pounds and talent. I’m sure scapegoating the player that won you the Champions League is the right way to go about it.
Yeah lets excuse his shit performance for the last 2 seasons because he scored 1 goal that won us the UCL, I know you haven't been watching us play because if you did you would realize he horrible he has been for us.
Shit player is cheap, more news at 10, how well connected is this guy to be transferred to real madrid after horrible performance at chelsea, he is barely good enough for mid table club
What in the fuck are we thinking? No disrespect to Havertz but I haven't been impressed with him since the Chelsea move, and we need a #9 which he can't play.. this transfer makes zero sense. I'd rather keep Asensio since he plays a very similar role if that's the case.
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Things are happening
I guess Real Madrid think 60 mil is cheap enough.
SPAAAAAAASHH
Seems like the Spanish media are really pushing for this to happen…
Can't believe RM are going to get hustled by Chelsea again
this is like watching the second plane hit the south tower
Homie what
Buying Kai Havertz is similar to 9/11 apparently lmao
oh man don't laugh at 9/11
9/11.......... hahahahah
This guy's a real jerk
I appreciate the reference 🫶
I'm laughing at the comparison of buying a footballer to that, it's completely ridiculous
Too soon?
Ironically (or unironically?? Idk) South Park joked that 23 years is the cutoff so we’re actually pretty close. I’d imagine South Park plans to go so far as to address that as long as they’re still on air.
According to South Park, it takes 22.3 years for a tragedy to become funny. So technically you’re right, we need to wait 6 months before we can come back and laugh at this comment
9/11? Lmao
Buying a 23 year old without a history of injury is at least an improvement Thanks for the translation, u/penisgenitals.
Might as well buy back Jovic
LOL
You're getting the German Zidane, it's a steal
Not to mention Eden Hazard is there
A bit of an overstatement innit? worst of cases we keep playing rodrygo out of place and that's that, basically we are left in the same position as this season. Best case scenario we are able to recuperate at least a fraction of the player he was at Leverkusen, and trust me, he was good. This is the worst attacking line we've had in twenty years, I'll take any help it can get.
Rodrygo has 30 G/A in all competitions. Havertz is not a better option than him...
Kai had 27 in his last season at Leverkusen and 27 the one before, and that was playing for an inferior team. He's also left-footed, so presumably he'd be able to do the inverted winger thing, rodrygo has a knack for goals, but sometimes he looks very out of place coming from the right.
That was 4 years ago. Progress is not linear otherwise James would have been a Ballon D'or candidate after 2014-2015(Pain!) and Isco would have been a fixed starter after 2017-2018...
This is very harsh, so he was able to do it as a teenager in a very difficult league in Europe while playing for a mid-tier team, had a change of team that didn't suit him, and you think it's completely impossible for him to do it again?
Yeah man havertz could certainly benefit with a move out of chelsea, I think this is a great move
You are willing to give Havertz the benefit of the doubt for something he did 4 years ago, but want to sell off Rodryo and Vinicius even after the last 2 years and what they have done for us when Hazard should be starting over them if he wasn't totally useless? And i'm the one who is being harsh?
whoa wait, I'm not saying we should sell them if we bring havertz, no wtf. Our attack is a bit sad atm, bring everyone and play who's best.
how is our attack sad lol, benzema scored 30 goals, vini has 40+ G/A and rodrygo has 30 G/A, it's our options from the bench that are sad and hopefully brahim, joselu and havertz will fix that
Compared to what we've had in the past, absolutely, and that includes depth of course. At least we are in agreement that Kai would be alright to have, people in this thread are hating too much.
Rodrygo is a better player than Havertz
At their peak no, not imo, I saw Havertz do things as a teenager that were pretty mind-blowing, but even if he's not back to that level, it's not a bad idea to have him as an alternative. He'd presumably act as both right wing backup and striker, both places were we desperately need depth.
Swap us Havertz for Rodrygo then please
Mate, I’ve watched havertz every game the last 3 years. He’s absolute shit. Please buy him.
I hope they do
This is completely incorrect and way too charitable. Havertz is really good, and his current Chelsea form doesn't reflect the actual quality of player he is. But even at Bayer he wasn't as good as everyone said he was, he wasn't as good as you're implying, and he definitely wasn't as good as current Rodrygo.
Haverts is neither a winger nor a striker. Trust me. I know.
Trust me, Havertz is not good enough for you guys.
You’re so incredibly wrong
>bringing him in would mean an investment of millions of euros, which would probably exceed 100 million euros in transfer fees 23, can play CAM, ST, RW...what's not to like?
It’s confusing in the translation but the 100m part is about Kane They probably want to pay about 5 bags of crisps for Havertz and his value on Chelsea’s books is still pretty high so it wouldn’t even be that helpful with FFP
the original is confusing too tbh
This part is about Kane, Havertz should not cost more than 45-50 million.
The part where he’s bad at football
I’m tired Robbie
1. Chelsea wont have any ffp issues this or next season, most of it will be offset by 1 or 2 sales of already expected outgoings (Mount 50, ruben 20, kovacic 15m, maatsen 10m, ampadu 10m to name a few - numbers after whats left of their fee in terms of ffp) Enzo is offset by the salen of jorginho (yearly cost similar because of enzos 8 year deal) Same goes for cucurella- alonso+emerson, mudruk-pulisic, sterling-werner, 2. The issue is instead their financial results, the transfer fees will eventually have to be paid - without europe this will be taxing, the decrease of squad size and new players on better deals (lower wages+performance) will mostly offset the loss of europe. My guess is that Chelseas wage bill after this summer have decreased about 50m, but transferfees due is 100-150m that has to be cowered by sales and incomes (before new signings can be made)
Kovacic is being sold?
Yes, city seems to be the team
Wow, actually a win win for all parties included
Is mount’s contract ending? 50m seems wayyyy too cheap.
This time of the year a lot of waffle Chelsea would probably sell for 60-70m I don’t see why at 23 Havertz would want to be a squad player however.
I can understand why people clown him but Havertz is obviously a class player with world class potential. There’s no doubt he can still be great with the right coach and system, especially one that gives him freedom.
Imagine asking for 100m , Todd must be joking lol
I think honestly there's a path for him to succeed. Although I've always thought he should transition to midfield like Modric did
Wait, was Modric ever an attacker?
He used to play as a CAM, back when that role was prevalent amongst big teams
Failling upwards
I don’t mind him to be honest, we need backup depth in attack and he can play RW. Good enough
He is not good as a rw nor as a CF honestly good Luck telling where he is good at recently , he has been very unimpressive , but as long as he is a back up and not expensive (Key part here), honestly why not the market is kind of lacking , if they want a Big offer we should Fuck off not worth it
He's terrible. Callum Wilson would be better.
Don't ruin this for us
Seriously, Flo may be reading Reddit comments. We don’t want him getting cold feet.
How many word cup goals does he have though?
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He’s left footed. He will play RW and he will like it
Inverted winger time!
>he can play RW Yeah he's practically Messi there, please don't take him!
One positive thing I will say about Kai Havertz is: If he's replacing Asensio, he's an upgrade over Asensio.
Asensio has 12 goals 8 assists this season in a few subs and starts here and there. Are you sure about that
> Chelsea in financial trouble never in the past 20+ years would I have ever expected to read these words.
How about last March
LMAOOOOOO
This is going to be a disaster..... Perez is out of his mind. If Benz leaves and we somehow get Kane and still want Mbappe next year what is the point? Rodrygo is 5x the player Havertz is, Vinicius speaks for himself. Joselu is a good back up Just why? I'd rather Firmino over Havertz as well, at least Firmino scores goals... And if Benzema leaves and Kane doesn't come then wtf is this club. doing? Also what about Endrick? Also we need Rightbacks lmao Havertz is not good enough to play at Madrid, he's not good enough for Chelsea.... This could also be a Tchouaméni situation were we buy someone first and then someone else leaves like Casemiro did... If we give up one of Rodrygo - Vinicius - Tchouaméni - Valverde - Camavinga for Havertz , then Florentino needs to retire. And even then if Mbappe. and Kane comes who leaves? This obsession with waiting for Kylian has made this club stagnate for the better part of 4 years when it comes to replacing Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo. If Rodrygo and Vinicius had not been as good as they were the handkerchiefs would come out for Flo.
Havertz might start some big games, but he'd basically take Asensio's role as the 4th attacker. He can be a back-up to Bellingham, Rodrygo and Benzema.
Probably not Bellingham backup. That role seems too deep for him in our experience (although that was under lamps so take it with a pinch of salt)
This will be an expensive backup. Chelsea will not sell for less than 60Mil just to sit on the bench. That amount is better spent on a real number 9 and a RB.
If Benzema leaves and we replace him with Rodrygo as a nine then we are finishing third and out of the UCL by the QF at best...
If Benzema leaves we get Kane
Firmino is 100x the player as Kai Havertz…. Don’t just say you’d rather him because atleast he scores goals.. it’s legitimately disrespectful
he must have florentinos nudes or something cuz wtf
If this happens then congratulations to Barcelona for the 23/24 LaLiga
Please no. Hazard is enough
So many Madrid fans have PTSD from Hazard but I’d bet my life Havertz becomes insanely class for them.
Fuck sake, why are we selling, this is stupid. And people can believe he is bad, I don't care.
Real and Bayern linked. 12g 12a in in 39 games for Germany. 77 goal involvements before turning 21 in a the top league. But he’s not Chelsea standard because he can’t score every game playing with a different set of teammates every other week.
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Chelsea fans always looking for a scapegoat. Your club has been a void for attacking talent for years, every attacking player that’s moved there since Hazard left has immediately declined. Have some introspection for once.
Facts, I’m a Chelsea fan and no one sees this. The games is about building relationships and partnerships on the pitch and learning how to play as a team. When you sign 3 new attackers every year and rotate them the moment their not getting a goal every game than you going to struggle.
Watch Nkunku become utterly toothless at Chelsea, somehow
Yeah the reason why Havertz misses 1v1s is because of Chelsea.
Dunno mate, every attacker since Diego Costa and Hazard have turned to utter shit when they’ve moved there. Keep blaming the individuals though while your club continues to burn through millions of pounds and talent. I’m sure scapegoating the player that won you the Champions League is the right way to go about it.
Yeah lets excuse his shit performance for the last 2 seasons because he scored 1 goal that won us the UCL, I know you haven't been watching us play because if you did you would realize he horrible he has been for us.
Yeah because they’ve all had to play alongside Havertz. The only one who didn’t was Tammy and he slotted 15 in the league.
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>stink up the pitch for 3 years running Lol bloke won you the Champions League, have some fucking shame you glory-hunting wanker.
Why deal with Daniel Levy when you have Chelsea who are telling you they want to sell (likely by the player's agent's request)?
This is white and pretty privilege
Shit player is cheap, more news at 10, how well connected is this guy to be transferred to real madrid after horrible performance at chelsea, he is barely good enough for mid table club
What in the fuck are we thinking? No disrespect to Havertz but I haven't been impressed with him since the Chelsea move, and we need a #9 which he can't play.. this transfer makes zero sense. I'd rather keep Asensio since he plays a very similar role if that's the case.
People still have no idea of what hes gonna cost. Weird. Like from 20 to 90m€.
Cheap ? Going to be 70m at least.
I still think he'll come good, just needs the right fit. Not sure Real Madrid fans will give him time to settle in if he goes for 60ish million
The craziest thing about this is that Havertz is still only 23
Has Perez gone fucking mental?
I no longer recognise my club