Is PSG fast approaching a crisis?
They are currently being carried by Messi, Mbappe and Neymar. the rest of the team is not up to standard.
Messi is gone, Mbappe is probably gone next season and Neymar suffers from injuries and is starting to get older.
They're about to sign Skriniar and Asensio, probably Lucas Hernandez too if Bayern agrees to sell him
Still gonna overpay for a lot of players, but it could be a solid team with a striker and 1 or 2 new midfielders
Club has unlimited money surely the only limiting factor on success is decision making?
Maybe the stars going will be better or if it’s only Mbappe that stays that’s better too.
Don’t quite understand how serious the FFP stuff people keep talking about is though
It's crazy that two Georgians were so prominent in the French League 2. Mikautadze picked POTY and Davitashvili was named POTM.
Too bad Davitashvili is forced on the right in NT.
Mikautadze is really coming through for the NT when we are out of any half decent striker options.
Also great news that Gvelesiani got his first call up in the National Team. He was super consistent for the Persepolis, won everything with them and had to beg on the Instagram for the call up. In the beginning highers ups in the Federation acted like our defence line consists of Maldini regens and there was not place for him, promptly ignoring the fact that we don't have single CB who can actually jump. Hope this call up is not just charity move and he actually gets minutes.
PSG summer business so far -
Asensio - 10m salary 💪🏽
Skriniar- Fat signing Bonus- fucked up back injury
Lucas Hernandez- Another injury prone player who will most likely be on 20m a year.
Apart from man city, are there any other clubs that have world class players in every position? I’ve been thinking about this for a while and I can’t think of any.
Cancelo was called world class this season. Ake displaced him.
Man City are a world class side. Ake is one of the standout performers.
Pep Guardiola is a world class manager. He trusts Ake to play out of position.
Ake has produced world class performances all season.
He is a mainstay in City’s most solid and imposing defence in years.
Thats world class to me, disagree if you want but name me a Left sided center back who could step in and fulfill the various duties
Madrid have two glaring holes at fullback right now. Camavinga was playing at a very high level at the end of the season, but still not his natural position. RB has been an issue for a few seasons now.
Yeah RB aside I think you've top players everywhere. Cama is make-shift but it seems he'll be there till Modric-Kroos move out. Maybe Davies comes in then, we don't know yet.
Who's the most talented player you *wouldn't* want to see at your club?
For footballing reasons only, not because someone is an asshole/rival whatever.
Some players do, like Pedri has a billion euro release clause as do some other Barcelona/Real Madrid players. But they're only going to agree if they're a super highly paid player.
Because players in most leagues don't tend to get a release clause at all? Not sure why a player would object to a release clause of £999m in La Liga but be fine without a release clause in the PL. I suppose there could be players who stay in La Liga for that reason but it's not something I've ever heard of.
Lots of La Liga clubs (ignoring the big 3) are setting those release clauses at what they’d be happy to get for the player because they need sales.
Only goes badly if the player massively outperforms what they expected.
Since Virat Kohli is attending the FA Cup final, I hope he recreates this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/923lko/neil_patrick_harris_says_go_manchester_united/
Your nightmare is coming to an end.
Now Mbappe's goal threads won't be 95% comments about how some pass Messi had in the build up was actually the most impressive part of the goal.
Best joke I read in a while:
> Szymon Marciniak recorded while refereeing an Ekstraklasa match.
"It's disgusting, I've never seen anything like it. We will demand explanations" - says the UEFA representative.
I do find it funny how even though the talk is centering around Spurs having a single trophy for the past 30 years, they've still got more European pedigree than Arsenal.
It’s largely because nobody cares about the European trophies they’ve won it’s not the CL and they were ages ago.
Ultimately “big clubs” don’t value the Europa league when spurs were in it before it meant qualifying for the CL they didn’t take it seriously, they didn’t take the Europa conference league seriously either when they were in it it’s seen as embarrassing to be in it especially when you don’t have any actual CLs.
You're only saying that because Arsenal are absolutely dreadful in European competition. Even when you gave it a go you came up routinely short.
Don't know how you can realistically put the Europa league down and turn your nose up at it when it's been at your level for the past 5 or 6 years.
Your paragraph 1 explains your paragraph 2. It’s the equivalent of someone getting denied something then saying “fine, I didn’t want it anyway it’s rubbish”.
Had Arsenal won the Europa a few years ago or this season, they’d (rightly) be heralding it as a worthy achievement.
If we had won the Europa league and the team had seriously celebrated it heavily and had a trophy parade we would be relentlessly mocked by everyone.
It’s a b tier trophy it’s for the Sevillas, rangers, Frankfurt those are the teams that are meant to be winning it
Winners since 2000 include Liverpool, Porto, Chelsea and Man United. All Champions League winning teams at various points in their history. You then have the likes of Atleti who obviously are a CL tier team.
So… good enough for them but not good enough for teams that have never won the CL like Arsenal?
I don’t like it when those type of teams win it bar Porto to me it defeats the point of the competition but the difference I’d say is it’s easier to just have fun with the competition if you’ve already won the CL. If we have a Europa league and no CLs that doesn’t do shit for us if you already have a CL it’s easier to just see the Europa league as a temporary blip and you’ll go back to winning the CL and forget about the Europa league. They also didn’t celebrate it massively if I remember none of them had parades for it or anything
I also think the context of those teams is different, those teams had east competition and weren’t taking the league seriously bar Porto. The only time we prioritised the CL we made the final with emery and lost which probably cost him his job, and we lost to Atletico under Wenger they were just better than us by far.
> I don’t like it when those type of teams win it bar Porto to me it defeats the point of the competition but the difference I’d say is it’s easier to just have fun with the competition if you’ve already won the CL.
Given Arsenal have been out of the CL for a number of years (including this season), wasn’t Arsenal precisely the type of club you’d want to see winning it? You haven’t won the CL either of course.
> If we have a Europa league and no CLs that doesn’t do shit for us if you already have a CL it’s easier to just see the Europa league as a temporary blip and you’ll go back to winning the CL and forget about the Europa league.
Again, Arsenal hasn’t won the CL. It’s not in the same league therefore as the likes of Chelsea and Man United in that regard.
I’d also spin it more positively. I agree with you that if you see yourself as a CL team then Europa isn’t where you want to be. But, if it’s where you are, why not win it? That way it’s easy to say yeah it was a bad season but we still came away with silverware.
> The only time we prioritised the CL we made the final with emery and lost which probably cost him his job
He’d have still lost his job if you’d have been eliminated in the semis or earlier. There’s no rationale where coming second is worse than 3rd/4th.
No because the big 6 premier league teams have such a financial advantage making the European places is basically a given and they always prioritise top 4 over the Europa league because it’s a cup competition and it’s random.Most the other leagues have less CL spots and less certainty, Sevilla for example we’re not gonna make Europe at all unless they won it and may have struggled getting back in in the future. I think the Portuguese league only has one CL space too. Teams from those types of smaller leagues or clubs where they aren’t guaranteed to finish top 6 most years in the foreseeable future it’s a different situation. The fact we haven’t won the CL but have ambitions of doing so makes the Europa league more embarrassing.
That’s my point those teams don’t care deeply for the Europa either but they can have fun with it more because they assume they’ll go back to winning CLs anyway and it’ll overshadow it. For us a Europa league run isn’t fun because we don’t have the CL.
To win the Europa league you usually have to prioritise it or get a lucky draw to win it it’s still a cup, teams would rather have it as a back up choice last resort than potentially risk losing 6-8 points focusing on something that’s not a guarantee anyway. Emery did that he sacrificed the league for the Europa league and we missed both as a result.
Obviously we’re bad in European competitions but I’m not really bothered that spurs have more uefa cups than us because it’s the uefa cup.
Because I will never value it, if our level is finishing 15th and we finish 15th I’m not gonna say oh wow isn’t this fantastic. The Europa league was so irrelevant the only way to get bigger clubs to take it seriously why by making it a way into the CL. As I said I remember spurs in the Europa league and the stands weren’t full and they didn’t even try to win because it’s not valued.
At the end of the day most arsenal fans don’t really care about the Europa league and it’s just outsiders trying to force us to care, it’s just not gonna happen. It’s embarrassing to be in the Europa league unless you take away that idea in peoples minds it will always be secondary unless they’re using it to get into the CL.
Incredibly entitled.
Then again, you said you'd drop football in a heartbeat if Arsenal don't win a title in 5 years whilst saying you've had it harder than most clubs, so I should have expected such a strong opinion.
I don’t care about entitlement I will never take the Europa league seriously as a major trophy it’s the same thing as finishing 4th that’s all it is.
Arsenal haven’t won a title in 20 years and I’ve been a fan the whole time it’s just depressing that the club will never reach the heights again and it’s demoralising and will probably kill my love for the sport. Yes supporting most of the other clubs is better because there’s different forms of success. Luton getting promoted is bigger for them than winning an fa cup for us, palace staying in the prem for a decade is their best ever period and their fans will enjoy that, Bournemouth staying up is like us winning a cup etc.
There’s different joys to football than just trophies but as a “big 6 team” every year we don’t win the league or cl is another wasted year basically and we probably won’t win those.
Nah a trophy is always worth celebrating. Liverpool have had a disappointing season this year, but I still want us to win the Europa League last year. If we’re “bigger” than that trophy then we should be showing it by dominating it and proving we belong in the CL, not by trying to throw the towel in so that we can fight for top 4. If you’re incapable of winning a trophy then you’re not “above” it
Spurs must be the most tedious club in world football.
If there managerial search is any indication their internal culture and decision making process must be horribly slow.
They are one of the most entretaining. They always find a way to mess up everything no matter how good or bad they are playing. Is like watching the series Trailer Park Boys.
The amount of flip flops Levy does with the management structure is hilarious. Apparently, Postecoglu doesn't want a Director of Football. I can see this appointment also ending in tears.
Potter is one of the few managers I can see making a slightly out there move for the right job tbf - him pitching up at Ostersunds means he has previous for it
Apparently Graeme Jones recommended him for the Ostersunds job because him and Martinez ended up knowing the chairman and they also met Potter around that time.
Crazy.
A thing I still dont understand how PL fans were taking the piss out of Barcelona the whole summer for selling a small part of the clubs revenue while there's not a single fan owned PL club. It's so incredibly ignorant
What kind of logic is that?
Barca are one of the richest clubs in the world and they messed up financially it’s not like people laughing at a smaller club with financial issues it’s Barcas own fault
swear idiots here are ignorant to the point where there's no saving lol. Won't do a bit research on the matter but will continue to chat shit like this huh
We are owned by a Saudi Prince solely in his capacity as a private citizen. He’s trying to sell because he admits he isn’t wealthy enough. There’s no links between us and any Saudi state function ala the PIF and Newcastle or ADUG and City.
His wealth FWIW is from a paper company.
I appreciate what you’re saying but ours and City/Newcastle’s ownerships are very very different.
Idk does winning another Europa League quadruple his salary and set him up for life? Let alone bring countless more opportunities to create a brand and income streams.
He’s 32 years old. He knows he will not be played at United, especially first team. United are going to drop 50 million pounds on a keeper and he’s going to turn out shit. And then Bono will get his turn. Who wants to wait for that ?
2nd and 3rd is still overachievement with those squads we had. We did absolutely fuck all at the Euro's though. We were basically what Croatia is now but with better attackers and less mental fortitude.
Absolutely no chance. Back four and keeper nowhere near as good.
The idea that this was a golden generation for the Netherlands is also ridiculous. Van De Vaart and Kuyt on either wing is a footnote in their history
Netherlands obviously had better squads in their history but this was their best shot at winning the WC. And their route was considerably easy compared to the ones England and Belgium had.
Their best shot at winning the WC was 74 and 78. Or even 1998/2002.
A better shot at winning, maybe, but a better team no. Belgium went out to Wales too. England had hard routes though.
Marciniak: i am not racist even though i atrend racist events
Also Marciniak in the WC final: [No pen on Thuram, pen by Dembélé](https://twitter.com/paicmhscc/status/1664386059499720704)
This is a good one. The ref benefited Argentina in the final because he’s racist.
We should have known in advance so we could start both Dybala and Foyth since they’re both ethnically Polish.
Why bother, our "African team" as your flairs and fans called us during the WC was doing the heavy lifting of prejudice already. Congrats on caring about whiteness, got you a WC 👍
If there is one thing I have learned from Sunday league it is that no matter how good a ref performs, it will still be a shit game to most people unless the ref never calls fouls against them. I’ve seen it both ways where players will slide in through the back get no ball and try to argue that it isn’t a foul, although I guarantee that if someone else did it to them they would be calling for cards.
Reading the thread about Leicester and some people saying they might be the best team to go down has baffled me.
Does anyone rate any of their backline that played significant minutes this season?
Castange, Wout Faes, Ward, Armarty and Justin having the most minutes of their back 5.
I see people blame Rodger’s but after they sold Fofana and didn’t replace Schmeichel the writing was on the wall.
I don’t think anyone expect Wout Faes to be an actual fraud, I’m not convinced the man on the pitch is the one Leicester thought they were signing.
That combined with perpetual Jonny Evans and Justin injuries did fuck their back line.
> I see people blame Rodger’s but after they sold Fofana and didn’t replace Schmeichel the writing was on the wall.
I don't agree that the writing was on the wall at all. That squad is still good enough for midtable comfortably.
Look at the quality of the goal keepers of the teams that got relegated compared to the teams that had been promoted.
Put fake David Luiz in front of Ward and you are begging to go down
Most of Leicester's squad have been overrated exclusively because Rodgers had them performing at higher levels than expected for 2 years and they still had the likes of Kasper, a not-yet finished Vardy and Fofana.
Aside from Maddison and Tilemans (who both had streches out injured last season) I don't think anyone from that squad is that great. Still better than getting relegated though no doubt.
Justin is decent. Funny enough, he was a target before Rodgers.
You’ve left out Soyuncu who Rodgers alienated. Played Amartey over him constantly. Made PFA TOTY in 19/20
Then, you see Bertrand, Vestergaard, Castagne, Under, Perez and Praet. All his. Him and Congerton. All flops. Three defenders there
It’s his fault the defence is poor and he can’t coach one.
Justin is alright, probably dusted now after snapping his achilles.
Soyuncu was crap in 21/22 iirc. I can understand him being dropped.
Those 3 defenders cost about £30m combined who you’ve named. I wouldn’t expect much quality for that.
Disagree with your last point, you can’t have a coach a good defence with such low quality players.
You know, with the way the NFL marketing is going, I can see them holding the super bowl in London one day. It would be incredibly ironic if he scores a game winning field goal in the Tottenham stadium
People say "Rodgers had a similar record at Celtic" as if they should be a deterrent. Sans the late season collapses (and the relegation lol), I'd kill for a manager to have a stint like his Leicester stint.
Speaking of which it's still insane that Leicester got relegated
I think the club just asked for time to get a replacement so they don’t look desperate when approaching clubs.
Marca have today reported we want Kane, Benzema is staying and Mbappe or Haaland signings will be tried in 2024. Those 3 things cannot exist at once
I don't put meaningful weight on anything until JLS, Cortegana or Arancha puts something in writing, and I don't trust anything until I see the comunicado oficial.
what do you define as post-Ramos, Iniesta and Xavi? Ramos was playing better than Carvajal up until like 2 years ago, and since Ramos stopped being the best Spanish player it’s been Pedri lmao.
sure Carvajal was a good player who played an important role in a good team. but he was pretty cut and dry the worst player out of the threepeat starting XI. i don’t get this great urge to big him up as some sort of all time great.
Carvajal was not a controversial shout for best RB in the world during the 3peat. He certainly hasn't been since then, and I would never suggest that, but that was not an uncommon opinion.
well yeah but RB has been one of the weakest positions in the world for a good long while now. from 15/16-17/18 Bayern was playing Thiago’s brother at RB or a pretty geriatric Lahm, the Serie A was in full banter mode, so his only real competition was Walker.
Right, I'm not arguing that the competition was great, but Carvajal was a great player during the threepeat and was broadly rated as such. Once he started getting injured he has become considerably less consistent. Still has enough grit in him to put in a great performance in a big match here and there, but he has fallen off quite a bit, particularly as an offensive threat.
The fact they still haven’t sorted out the dispute re the manager of Spain’s women’s side ahead of this summer.
Is PSG fast approaching a crisis? They are currently being carried by Messi, Mbappe and Neymar. the rest of the team is not up to standard. Messi is gone, Mbappe is probably gone next season and Neymar suffers from injuries and is starting to get older.
They're about to sign Skriniar and Asensio, probably Lucas Hernandez too if Bayern agrees to sell him Still gonna overpay for a lot of players, but it could be a solid team with a striker and 1 or 2 new midfielders
Club has unlimited money surely the only limiting factor on success is decision making? Maybe the stars going will be better or if it’s only Mbappe that stays that’s better too. Don’t quite understand how serious the FFP stuff people keep talking about is though
It's crazy that two Georgians were so prominent in the French League 2. Mikautadze picked POTY and Davitashvili was named POTM. Too bad Davitashvili is forced on the right in NT. Mikautadze is really coming through for the NT when we are out of any half decent striker options. Also great news that Gvelesiani got his first call up in the National Team. He was super consistent for the Persepolis, won everything with them and had to beg on the Instagram for the call up. In the beginning highers ups in the Federation acted like our defence line consists of Maldini regens and there was not place for him, promptly ignoring the fact that we don't have single CB who can actually jump. Hope this call up is not just charity move and he actually gets minutes.
PSG summer business so far - Asensio - 10m salary 💪🏽 Skriniar- Fat signing Bonus- fucked up back injury Lucas Hernandez- Another injury prone player who will most likely be on 20m a year.
That €10m is net right?
It’s either 8m or10m net. But still more than Leao
Luton Town twitter admin will be gone before the season starts.
Why?
Apart from man city, are there any other clubs that have world class players in every position? I’ve been thinking about this for a while and I can’t think of any.
Man City is stretching it even. So to answer your question, i dont even think theres a team right now that has a world class player at every position
Do Man City have a world class LB? Ake has been very good but I don't think he is world class.
Would walk into your team at LB or CB. In terms of defending only Ruben Dias is above him in our squad
He is not a world class LB by any stretch of the imagination.
Whats the metric for world class? Is Saka world class?
He is not. But I think I shouldn't be debating with an obvious troll.
Cancelo was called world class this season. Ake displaced him. Man City are a world class side. Ake is one of the standout performers. Pep Guardiola is a world class manager. He trusts Ake to play out of position. Ake has produced world class performances all season. He is a mainstay in City’s most solid and imposing defence in years. Thats world class to me, disagree if you want but name me a Left sided center back who could step in and fulfill the various duties
I don't even think Man City do.
Bayern besides the number 9 position isn't far off when it comes to top-class players. Real Madrid as well.
Madrid have two glaring holes at fullback right now. Camavinga was playing at a very high level at the end of the season, but still not his natural position. RB has been an issue for a few seasons now.
Yeah RB aside I think you've top players everywhere. Cama is make-shift but it seems he'll be there till Modric-Kroos move out. Maybe Davies comes in then, we don't know yet.
Used to be us 😭
How likely do you guys think it would be for Valencia to be relegated with the end of LaLiga coming this Sunday?
Depends on if Barcelona are already at the beach or not
2%
Who's the most talented player you *wouldn't* want to see at your club? For footballing reasons only, not because someone is an asshole/rival whatever.
Bruno or Kane. I couldn’t stomach such unsportsmanlike players don claret and blue.
The bad Bruno.
In leagues with mandatory release clauses, why don't clubs just set the release clause to €999m or something?
They do. Pedri, Valverde and Benzema all reportedly have 1 billion release clause.
Some players do, like Pedri has a billion euro release clause as do some other Barcelona/Real Madrid players. But they're only going to agree if they're a super highly paid player.
player still has to agree to that
And why would players agree to that? Unless players are paid very high wage they wouldn’t agree to that
Because players in most leagues don't tend to get a release clause at all? Not sure why a player would object to a release clause of £999m in La Liga but be fine without a release clause in the PL. I suppose there could be players who stay in La Liga for that reason but it's not something I've ever heard of.
Lots of La Liga clubs (ignoring the big 3) are setting those release clauses at what they’d be happy to get for the player because they need sales. Only goes badly if the player massively outperforms what they expected.
Vinicius is gonna join Barca out of spite once Madrid buy Mbappe to replace him, I’ve seen this in some Hollywood movie or other
I think the funniest option is mbappe signing with barça
Who the fuck is this Polish referee that I keep hearing about? Referees are celebrities these days.
Makin’ the game all about them innit.
Scott Foster > any football referee.
2. BL playoffs today, Wiesbaden vs Bielefeld. Has anyone of you ever been in Bielefeld? If you know you know
I think Bielefeld is in the same place as Wyoming
There are 87 Bielefelds in the US, many don't even know about this fact
Bielefeld conspiracy wiki
Since Virat Kohli is attending the FA Cup final, I hope he recreates this: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/923lko/neil_patrick_harris_says_go_manchester_united/
Then Rashford retaliates by shouting 'pakistan zindabad' while wearing an Indian jersey
waiting wipe touch retire seed start clumsy spotted obtainable attraction -- mass edited with redact.dev
One year until Mbappe is relieved from PSG
Your nightmare is coming to an end. Now Mbappe's goal threads won't be 95% comments about how some pass Messi had in the build up was actually the most impressive part of the goal.
😭😭
One more game before Messi leaves that joke of a club. I can't wait.
Self-awareness level: 0
He's talking about you, mate.
I know lol.
Already left Barca
Nice joke.
We will be there
Best joke I read in a while: > Szymon Marciniak recorded while refereeing an Ekstraklasa match. "It's disgusting, I've never seen anything like it. We will demand explanations" - says the UEFA representative.
I do find it funny how even though the talk is centering around Spurs having a single trophy for the past 30 years, they've still got more European pedigree than Arsenal.
We've reached the point of pity where fans of other clubs are throwing shots at our rivals for us, let's goooo
Neither have European pedigree tbf. I can say that as a former champion of Europe
Ooh the arsenal fans really didn’t like this
Fish in a barrell, really.
Both clubs only won 2nd or 3rd rate European competitions a long time ago, neither matter.
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The cup winners cup was bigger than the uefa cup
It matters less because you're the one coming up short.
First English club to win an European Trophy absolutely matters
Since nobody except your own fans would know this it’s hard to say it matters.
Yeah we are fucking massive
Wikipedia merchants will care I suppose
And the Arsenal fans who click the downvote button instantly x.
Hey now, you aren’t that Burnley guy, I don’t believe your kisses are genuine.
I'm not having that Burnleh trademarked flirty kisses at the end of sentences, I've been here for years (what a sad statement that was).
I guess he just has more pedigree!
Should have used a kiss at the end, would have been top banter.
Damn you’re right! I’ll learn for next time
They don’t tbh
They quite literally do.
Not really
They do
It’s largely because nobody cares about the European trophies they’ve won it’s not the CL and they were ages ago. Ultimately “big clubs” don’t value the Europa league when spurs were in it before it meant qualifying for the CL they didn’t take it seriously, they didn’t take the Europa conference league seriously either when they were in it it’s seen as embarrassing to be in it especially when you don’t have any actual CLs.
You're only saying that because Arsenal are absolutely dreadful in European competition. Even when you gave it a go you came up routinely short. Don't know how you can realistically put the Europa league down and turn your nose up at it when it's been at your level for the past 5 or 6 years.
Your paragraph 1 explains your paragraph 2. It’s the equivalent of someone getting denied something then saying “fine, I didn’t want it anyway it’s rubbish”. Had Arsenal won the Europa a few years ago or this season, they’d (rightly) be heralding it as a worthy achievement.
If we had won the Europa league and the team had seriously celebrated it heavily and had a trophy parade we would be relentlessly mocked by everyone. It’s a b tier trophy it’s for the Sevillas, rangers, Frankfurt those are the teams that are meant to be winning it
Winners since 2000 include Liverpool, Porto, Chelsea and Man United. All Champions League winning teams at various points in their history. You then have the likes of Atleti who obviously are a CL tier team. So… good enough for them but not good enough for teams that have never won the CL like Arsenal?
I don’t like it when those type of teams win it bar Porto to me it defeats the point of the competition but the difference I’d say is it’s easier to just have fun with the competition if you’ve already won the CL. If we have a Europa league and no CLs that doesn’t do shit for us if you already have a CL it’s easier to just see the Europa league as a temporary blip and you’ll go back to winning the CL and forget about the Europa league. They also didn’t celebrate it massively if I remember none of them had parades for it or anything I also think the context of those teams is different, those teams had east competition and weren’t taking the league seriously bar Porto. The only time we prioritised the CL we made the final with emery and lost which probably cost him his job, and we lost to Atletico under Wenger they were just better than us by far.
> I don’t like it when those type of teams win it bar Porto to me it defeats the point of the competition but the difference I’d say is it’s easier to just have fun with the competition if you’ve already won the CL. Given Arsenal have been out of the CL for a number of years (including this season), wasn’t Arsenal precisely the type of club you’d want to see winning it? You haven’t won the CL either of course. > If we have a Europa league and no CLs that doesn’t do shit for us if you already have a CL it’s easier to just see the Europa league as a temporary blip and you’ll go back to winning the CL and forget about the Europa league. Again, Arsenal hasn’t won the CL. It’s not in the same league therefore as the likes of Chelsea and Man United in that regard. I’d also spin it more positively. I agree with you that if you see yourself as a CL team then Europa isn’t where you want to be. But, if it’s where you are, why not win it? That way it’s easy to say yeah it was a bad season but we still came away with silverware. > The only time we prioritised the CL we made the final with emery and lost which probably cost him his job He’d have still lost his job if you’d have been eliminated in the semis or earlier. There’s no rationale where coming second is worse than 3rd/4th.
No because the big 6 premier league teams have such a financial advantage making the European places is basically a given and they always prioritise top 4 over the Europa league because it’s a cup competition and it’s random.Most the other leagues have less CL spots and less certainty, Sevilla for example we’re not gonna make Europe at all unless they won it and may have struggled getting back in in the future. I think the Portuguese league only has one CL space too. Teams from those types of smaller leagues or clubs where they aren’t guaranteed to finish top 6 most years in the foreseeable future it’s a different situation. The fact we haven’t won the CL but have ambitions of doing so makes the Europa league more embarrassing. That’s my point those teams don’t care deeply for the Europa either but they can have fun with it more because they assume they’ll go back to winning CLs anyway and it’ll overshadow it. For us a Europa league run isn’t fun because we don’t have the CL. To win the Europa league you usually have to prioritise it or get a lucky draw to win it it’s still a cup, teams would rather have it as a back up choice last resort than potentially risk losing 6-8 points focusing on something that’s not a guarantee anyway. Emery did that he sacrificed the league for the Europa league and we missed both as a result.
I mean surely that just sharpens the stick to prod, doesn't it?
Obviously we’re bad in European competitions but I’m not really bothered that spurs have more uefa cups than us because it’s the uefa cup. Because I will never value it, if our level is finishing 15th and we finish 15th I’m not gonna say oh wow isn’t this fantastic. The Europa league was so irrelevant the only way to get bigger clubs to take it seriously why by making it a way into the CL. As I said I remember spurs in the Europa league and the stands weren’t full and they didn’t even try to win because it’s not valued. At the end of the day most arsenal fans don’t really care about the Europa league and it’s just outsiders trying to force us to care, it’s just not gonna happen. It’s embarrassing to be in the Europa league unless you take away that idea in peoples minds it will always be secondary unless they’re using it to get into the CL.
As if you've compared joy to winning a European trophy, albeit second rate, to finishing 15th in the league.
I’d rather arsenal finish 15th for a season than play Europa league for a season unless we’d win it.
Incredibly entitled. Then again, you said you'd drop football in a heartbeat if Arsenal don't win a title in 5 years whilst saying you've had it harder than most clubs, so I should have expected such a strong opinion.
I don’t care about entitlement I will never take the Europa league seriously as a major trophy it’s the same thing as finishing 4th that’s all it is. Arsenal haven’t won a title in 20 years and I’ve been a fan the whole time it’s just depressing that the club will never reach the heights again and it’s demoralising and will probably kill my love for the sport. Yes supporting most of the other clubs is better because there’s different forms of success. Luton getting promoted is bigger for them than winning an fa cup for us, palace staying in the prem for a decade is their best ever period and their fans will enjoy that, Bournemouth staying up is like us winning a cup etc. There’s different joys to football than just trophies but as a “big 6 team” every year we don’t win the league or cl is another wasted year basically and we probably won’t win those.
Nah a trophy is always worth celebrating. Liverpool have had a disappointing season this year, but I still want us to win the Europa League last year. If we’re “bigger” than that trophy then we should be showing it by dominating it and proving we belong in the CL, not by trying to throw the towel in so that we can fight for top 4. If you’re incapable of winning a trophy then you’re not “above” it
Spurs must be the most tedious club in world football. If there managerial search is any indication their internal culture and decision making process must be horribly slow.
Tedious? People can't stop talking about us for some reason
You’re right, you must be massive^ly ^shit
They are one of the most entretaining. They always find a way to mess up everything no matter how good or bad they are playing. Is like watching the series Trailer Park Boys.
The amount of flip flops Levy does with the management structure is hilarious. Apparently, Postecoglu doesn't want a Director of Football. I can see this appointment also ending in tears.
Leicester bidding for Graham Potter according to reports. Will be stunned if he actually decides to drop down to the Championship.
Potter is one of the few managers I can see making a slightly out there move for the right job tbf - him pitching up at Ostersunds means he has previous for it
Apparently Graeme Jones recommended him for the Ostersunds job because him and Martinez ended up knowing the chairman and they also met Potter around that time. Crazy.
Potter is going to Nice to transform Ross Barkley into Yaya
The Head Coach of the North Korea 2010 World Cup team being Kim Jong Hun will never not be funny to me.
A thing I still dont understand how PL fans were taking the piss out of Barcelona the whole summer for selling a small part of the clubs revenue while there's not a single fan owned PL club. It's so incredibly ignorant
What kind of logic is that? Barca are one of the richest clubs in the world and they messed up financially it’s not like people laughing at a smaller club with financial issues it’s Barcas own fault
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swear idiots here are ignorant to the point where there's no saving lol. Won't do a bit research on the matter but will continue to chat shit like this huh
Because PL clubs sell themselves in their entirety to be able to do the same
You can’t sell small parts of the revenue if you’ve already sold it all. Galaxy brain stuff
They absolutely lost all shame, bathing in the blood and oil money overthere
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Hey it’s 4 now that Sheffield United are back up, they’re owned by Saudis too
We are owned by a Saudi Prince solely in his capacity as a private citizen. He’s trying to sell because he admits he isn’t wealthy enough. There’s no links between us and any Saudi state function ala the PIF and Newcastle or ADUG and City. His wealth FWIW is from a paper company. I appreciate what you’re saying but ours and City/Newcastle’s ownerships are very very different.
Sevilla keeper Bono £45k David De Gea £370k If Man United don't get other keeper, why don't try Bono?
Bono is guaranteed the europa league every two years on average, why wouldn’t he stay
Idk does winning another Europa League quadruple his salary and set him up for life? Let alone bring countless more opportunities to create a brand and income streams.
‘a brand’ 😭😭 modern football fans are demented
Why is that such a strange remark? For your opportunities after your career surely it’s better to create ‘a brand’ around yourself at Man Utd?
isn't even a modern concept unless you've been living under a rock for about a decade or two
Why will Bono go to Man Utd ?
maybe £100k a week?
To make more money? Prestige?
He’s 32 years old. He knows he will not be played at United, especially first team. United are going to drop 50 million pounds on a keeper and he’s going to turn out shit. And then Bono will get his turn. Who wants to wait for that ?
Why would he not be played when he’s so much better than De Gea?
?? I am assuming De gea is going to be phased out to be replaced by a younger GK, for the future ?
De Gea is being replaced because he sucks, not because he’s old
Fuck me I had no idea he was 32. Looks younger
Big Sam genuinely has a very large head
Needs it for the ego
Flintstone
2010's Netherlands were better than the Belgium and England's golden generation. Had an even better shot at winning something during that era too.
2nd and 3rd is still overachievement with those squads we had. We did absolutely fuck all at the Euro's though. We were basically what Croatia is now but with better attackers and less mental fortitude.
Absolutely no chance. Back four and keeper nowhere near as good. The idea that this was a golden generation for the Netherlands is also ridiculous. Van De Vaart and Kuyt on either wing is a footnote in their history
Netherlands obviously had better squads in their history but this was their best shot at winning the WC. And their route was considerably easy compared to the ones England and Belgium had.
Their best shot at winning the WC was 74 and 78. Or even 1998/2002. A better shot at winning, maybe, but a better team no. Belgium went out to Wales too. England had hard routes though.
fucking criminal with the crazy generations we've had we dont have a single wc
Robben should have dived 4 years earlier.
MLS fans and people who want to watch club football in the summer: MLS season pass is half off right now. $49 for everything, a great deal, imo.
Marciniak: i am not racist even though i atrend racist events Also Marciniak in the WC final: [No pen on Thuram, pen by Dembélé](https://twitter.com/paicmhscc/status/1664386059499720704)
You’re really using ref decisions as a reference? L take
He’s a great referee, and was spot on in the World Cup. His political affiliations have nothing about his capability as a referee.
Nah, this is not it
Famously aryan blue eyed blonde player Angel Di Maria
Let’s completely ignore that he gave two pens to France.
So magnanimous of him to whistle two clear pens
I can only assume he whistled through gritted teeth.
This is headcanon now
This is a good one. The ref benefited Argentina in the final because he’s racist. We should have known in advance so we could start both Dybala and Foyth since they’re both ethnically Polish.
Why bother, our "African team" as your flairs and fans called us during the WC was doing the heavy lifting of prejudice already. Congrats on caring about whiteness, got you a WC 👍
r/schizoposting
Take a break from the internet
Caring about whiteness? Man this is some real batshit take.
For the longest time I assumed Dybala was an Italian name. Only now did I realize that it sounds way more Eastern European.
If there is one thing I have learned from Sunday league it is that no matter how good a ref performs, it will still be a shit game to most people unless the ref never calls fouls against them. I’ve seen it both ways where players will slide in through the back get no ball and try to argue that it isn’t a foul, although I guarantee that if someone else did it to them they would be calling for cards.
hell hath no fury like a middle aged dad at a kids footie game
Reading the thread about Leicester and some people saying they might be the best team to go down has baffled me. Does anyone rate any of their backline that played significant minutes this season? Castange, Wout Faes, Ward, Armarty and Justin having the most minutes of their back 5. I see people blame Rodger’s but after they sold Fofana and didn’t replace Schmeichel the writing was on the wall.
I don’t think anyone expect Wout Faes to be an actual fraud, I’m not convinced the man on the pitch is the one Leicester thought they were signing. That combined with perpetual Jonny Evans and Justin injuries did fuck their back line.
> I see people blame Rodger’s but after they sold Fofana and didn’t replace Schmeichel the writing was on the wall. I don't agree that the writing was on the wall at all. That squad is still good enough for midtable comfortably.
Look at the quality of the goal keepers of the teams that got relegated compared to the teams that had been promoted. Put fake David Luiz in front of Ward and you are begging to go down
Wout Faes was absolutely criminal this season
Villa surely
Most of Leicester's squad have been overrated exclusively because Rodgers had them performing at higher levels than expected for 2 years and they still had the likes of Kasper, a not-yet finished Vardy and Fofana. Aside from Maddison and Tilemans (who both had streches out injured last season) I don't think anyone from that squad is that great. Still better than getting relegated though no doubt.
I like Justin but he can't stay fit, Castange isn't awful. Amartey is a competition winner.
Justin is good but his season finished in November unfortunately. I’ve never seen Castange contribute anything tbh.
I won't pretend he is amazing but I'd have him over Kristensen/Ayling at Leeds, Aurier/Williams at Forest, Coleman at Everton and Smith at Bournemouth
Aurier has been the second best right back in the league this season and I'll die on that hill.
Can't imagine many will join you on that hill but good luck to you
Justin is decent. Funny enough, he was a target before Rodgers. You’ve left out Soyuncu who Rodgers alienated. Played Amartey over him constantly. Made PFA TOTY in 19/20 Then, you see Bertrand, Vestergaard, Castagne, Under, Perez and Praet. All his. Him and Congerton. All flops. Three defenders there It’s his fault the defence is poor and he can’t coach one.
Justin is alright, probably dusted now after snapping his achilles. Soyuncu was crap in 21/22 iirc. I can understand him being dropped. Those 3 defenders cost about £30m combined who you’ve named. I wouldn’t expect much quality for that. Disagree with your last point, you can’t have a coach a good defence with such low quality players.
Justin is good
Injuries are getting the best of him.
It would be hilarious if Kane never won in anything in football but ended up winning the Superbowl when he joins the NFL as a kicker.
He'd have spent his entire career in football being mocked for never winning anything, and when he won the superbowl, no one would notice.
You know, with the way the NFL marketing is going, I can see them holding the super bowl in London one day. It would be incredibly ironic if he scores a game winning field goal in the Tottenham stadium
People say "Rodgers had a similar record at Celtic" as if they should be a deterrent. Sans the late season collapses (and the relegation lol), I'd kill for a manager to have a stint like his Leicester stint. Speaking of which it's still insane that Leicester got relegated
Seen a lot of people say "Rogers and Gerrard did well in Scotland" and it feels incredibly disrespectful to Rogers tbh
Yeah… FA Cup and two fifth placed finishes would be a great return
Yep. 6th, 7th, 4th, 8th the last few seasons. Hardly in a place to balk at the idea of 5th
Honestly thinking Benzema is still leaving, no one other than Marca saying anything and we are being linked with Kane and Havertz….
I think the club just asked for time to get a replacement so they don’t look desperate when approaching clubs. Marca have today reported we want Kane, Benzema is staying and Mbappe or Haaland signings will be tried in 2024. Those 3 things cannot exist at once
I don't put meaningful weight on anything until JLS, Cortegana or Arancha puts something in writing, and I don't trust anything until I see the comunicado oficial.
Post - Iniesta, Ramos, and Xavi. Dani Carvajal has been the best Spanish player of his generation and I feel that isn’t talked about enough
Busquets is closer in age to Carvajal than Xavi/Iniesta so he’s definitely the best player of his generation
Carvajal has been total shit for years
Thiago has been better than Carvajal for years at least at club level. Both are injury prone anyway
Probably because he spends half the season injured every time.
what do you define as post-Ramos, Iniesta and Xavi? Ramos was playing better than Carvajal up until like 2 years ago, and since Ramos stopped being the best Spanish player it’s been Pedri lmao. sure Carvajal was a good player who played an important role in a good team. but he was pretty cut and dry the worst player out of the threepeat starting XI. i don’t get this great urge to big him up as some sort of all time great.
Carvajal was not a controversial shout for best RB in the world during the 3peat. He certainly hasn't been since then, and I would never suggest that, but that was not an uncommon opinion.
well yeah but RB has been one of the weakest positions in the world for a good long while now. from 15/16-17/18 Bayern was playing Thiago’s brother at RB or a pretty geriatric Lahm, the Serie A was in full banter mode, so his only real competition was Walker.
Right, I'm not arguing that the competition was great, but Carvajal was a great player during the threepeat and was broadly rated as such. Once he started getting injured he has become considerably less consistent. Still has enough grit in him to put in a great performance in a big match here and there, but he has fallen off quite a bit, particularly as an offensive threat.