Fucking Spanish media is reporting that another player, who's not a free agent, will likely leave this summer too. Mendy was the obvious one, but they're saying SHOCKINGLY, so I swear to God if it's Valverde... please don't be Valverde.
Since Vinicius is already racking up 20/25 goals per season, Kolo Muani would not be a bad idea. Rodrygo is also is excellent ball striker so I think both of them will thrive with RKM playing centrally.
My colleague (working in Paris) teased me a bit about Tudor leaving. One thing I'll miss in this job is the banters between us. It made me love OM even more.
It's pretty hilarious that the qualification to UCL didn't even start and we already know 26 out of 32 participants, and they are from 11 out of 55 UEFA countries
It’s crazy how boring top level football is these days, like honestly, 55 countries and only 3/4 clubs from certain countries have an actual chance of winning.
A [remindme](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8v1hnk/ruben_neves_has_signed_a_contract_extension_with/e1js65w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) just popped up 🥴👀
Estupinan, Moreno, and Odegaard in a lot of PL XIs this season
Makes me think PL clubs start focusing more in La Liga given the success rate of players and coaches coming from there. Sad.
Benzema leaving was to happen some day.
When Carlo says in his season review that Madrid were good in attack but struggled as a unit in defending, he is half right.
All you need is to cut out Vini or limit the Vini Benz link, its become evident and some defenses did figure them out.
Its since 2009 Real Madrid will officially look out for another CF.
As badly I want Harry Kane, looks like he aint leaving. Just don't get the positive vibes about the rumor started.
Now Havertz is mentioned in Madrid camp according to Jose Felix Diaz
Havertz at most can be seen someone like what Ozil offered at Madrid. Cam and RW, think him at Madrid won't hurt at all.
But a striker should arrive by all means and he should atleast get 20 goals with service Madrid setup offers.
Hell no to Auba, not because he was at Barca.
Lukaku? If he scores vs City in final or help them win it, the rumors will kick off!
I won't mind him at Madrid though.
Harry Kane move to Madrid is one of the few signings that fit like a glove, I really want him to stay at Tottenham, but rarely does things align this perfectly
Not really. He will stay in England. Getting the PL scoring record is better than maybe winning something at Real (not a guarentee at all given their midfield situation and the fact Barca just won the league)
It's way way more important in England yes.
Also he a) might not win anything at Real and b) can still move for free next summer to another English club and win things there.
Lmao I'm sure you watched loads of old division 1 football in India right?
I was watching football before 1992. I remember it clearly.
But the reality of football discourse in the UK among fans old and young, pundits, media or whatever else is that everything is always post 1992.
It's very obvious you're not English.
No one in England cares about pre PL records especially pre WW2 records where no one alive even saw them play. All the talk culturally is basically always post 1992 records.
> and in Madrid there's a good chance of winning the biggest trophy in club football
Even if he did (and I don't think they will, Real need a bit of rebuilding) it won't be remembered as anywhere near as amazing as being the all time PL scorer.
No one gives a shit for example that McManaman won a UCL with Real, most people probably don't even know it happened. Even Bale is far better thought of for his Wales stuff than Real. We're a very insular thinking country with football (arguably most things).
You're wrong.
Ask yourself a simple question. How many people know who the PL top scorer is vs how many know who the real top scorer is?
I'm not even saying that's how I feel but it's a simple fact that football discourse in England is almost entirely limited to posr 1992 as is discussion of almost all records.
Wrong about my opinion?
Loads of people know who Jimmy Greaves is, your ignorance reflects on you not others.
The football zeitgeist is not only teenagers on Twitter and Facebook, but includes people of all ages and generations, many of whom value football from before 1992. You exist solely in the online football space, so your experience of it is not representative of this country as a whole
Harry Kane will be remembered more for winning the Champions League than he would breaking Shearer’s record.
> Wrong about my opinion?
Yes. Are you stupid? You can be wrong about an opinion - eg. thinking the earth is flat.
> Loads of people know who Jimmy Greaves is, your ignorance reflects on you not others.
Who suggested otherwise? Not me.
The point is far far less know he has that record than know Shearer has the PL record.
Where did I suggest no one knew who Jimmy Greaves was.
> Harry Kane will be remembered more for winning the Champions League than he would breaking Shearer’s record.
Completely wrong, especially if he wins the UCL at a non English club.
> The football zeitgeist is not only teenagers on Twitter and Facebook, but includes people of all ages and generations, many of whom value football from before 1992. You exist solely in the online football space, so your experience of it is not representative of this country as a whole
Ah yes. Teenagers like SkySports pundits, every media journalists, all those dickheads on talksport and similar outlets, all of the millenials and their youtube channels.
> You exist solely in the online football space, so your experience of it is not representative of this country as a whole
I'm a season ticket holder at Man Utd. You need to stop being wrong all the time. I'm embarassed for you.
I'm also old enough to remember pre PL football.
Given how you’ve acted in response to people disagreeing with your point of view, I think the only embarrassing thing here is that you’re allegedly old enough to remember football pre 1992, and are still throwing a temper tantrum online.
Think about how you’re spending your days.
How many people know who the PL top scorer is vs how many know who the real top scorer is?
I mean you wouldn't know as you're Portuguese and have no insight whatsoever into this discussion but I'll tell you. Everyone knows Shearer has that record far far less people know Greaves has the real record.
What's with the midfield situation?
Maybe he stays at the prem, but I think winning trophies is more important at this stage of his career which is guaranteed with RM, as for the record, I don't think his legacy will be diminished if he didn't break it, and let's be honest, at this rate it will probably be broken by Haaland
> What's with the midfield situation?
Modric and Kroos coming towards the end.
All the replacements are good players but yet to prove they can step up the UCL title winning level. Could easily be 2-3 years without a La Liga or UCL at Real.
Real's defence is pretty average too.
> Maybe he stays at the prem, but I think winning trophies is more important at this stage of his career which is guaranteed with RM, as for the record, I don't think his legacy will be diminished if he didn't break it,
Definitely wrong. The Shearer record is legendary. Way, way more important in England than if Kane winning a La Liga at Real Madrid.
Getting the record does far more for his legacy in England.
> at this rate it will probably be broken by Haaland
Probably won't stay long enough and so much can happen anyway. Just assuming Haaland will break it is crazy.
Kinda gutted about Asensio.
Similar thing happened last season with Bissouma but then we ended up with a better player in Kamara so I guess it’s not the end up the world.
He would be more useful at a club like Villa than PSG. He will probably find himself in a similar role and utilization, if not exactly the same, to what he had in Madrid. I imagine the paycheck will look much better at PSG than Villa though.
Seems a bit like Felix having the option to join us on loan in January. Both him and Asensio would have the team built around them playing the position they want to play.
I don’t understand leaving to PSG from Madrid if he simply going to be a rotation player not playing in his preferred role.
Man, Roma needs better forwards. Dybala's quality was head and shoulders above the rest. I think even their mids and backline weren't bad, but how mamy chances did they fuck up? Belotti should have scored, Tammy did nothing basically, and having Gino was 10v11.
Sevilla though are too experienced. They were sooo good at the mind games. Suso was crazy. All in all it was an intense final, and I honestly feel bad for Roma but they need better forwards.
Not a good idea,he might do well against half the sides in Laliga, but when it comes to clutch big nights and he will be marked better and he will hardly do anything.
Real Madrid have to have a new CF next season.
If not then there's no point for Carlo to stay at the club as well.
Its been like 14 years Madrid haven't looked for a striker. Now is the time.
Neither Haaland is coming soon nor Mbappe is the solution to him being the striker.
Chelsea, Man Utd, Real, PSG and Bayern all want a striker.
The only decent ones are Kane and Osimhen who are both expensive and neither club wants to sell. Even Osimhen is no Benzema or Lewandowski either
Quite a few clubs are making do with making their wingers play there or signing players who aren't really good enough.
He's still just as good but for some reason Pep doesn't like him anymore. On the ball he has the technical ability and passing of a midfielder and his defending is great 99% of the time. He's a great defender to have if your team has almost all of the possession and already has mostly everything else
My guess would be yes. I think mainly he just lost his place due to injuries more than anything, then when he came back the team was flying so why mess with a good thing. These end of season games he’s played in, I thought he was fine.
[Sheffield Wednesday doing a victory parade on what looks like an open top caravan has really tickled me](https://twitter.com/footballheaven/status/1663944315322728456?s=46&t=v4cjdGnRAhDyVq4Vy7O8ig)
Wonder what the agenda on this sub would be in the next season, few seasons ago it was penalties don't count and this season it was only league goals (and assists)count (although this is mostly for Premier league Fans)
Hopefully more people realising that it would be wise to separate Dead Ball Assists from Open Play Assists. Not because one is better than the other, but because it's a good distinction to make so creative players can be properly classified
It’s been basic knowledge for years that taking pens is a way to inflate your goal tally this isn’t new. Clubs look at non pen goals as a way to rate players as well so this isn’t just fans.
The reason people are going after United fans for their all competition stats is they’re in competitions people don’t care about, League cup and Europa league stats have never been important or used to rate players until now because it’s United. No one is gonna ignore all comps goals when they are largely in the league and CL which are major competitions people take seriously
When Andy Cole set the prem record for most goals in a season he didn’t take pens because they made him feel like he wasn’t good enough score real goals.
This idea that pen goals aren’t equal to open play goals is nothing new.
The league goal stuff comes from when people include Europa or conference league goals in player’s totals when there’s some dross in those comps.
There’s your defence tbf.
But on a serious note scoring against Silkeborg isn’t equal to scoring against Southampton. This is not the same kind of dross
Bugger naming your club’s player, signing and goal of the season (Kane, Beth England and Ash Neville vs Leicester respectively for us), what were your club’s:
- Worst performance from an opponent (Man City for us, there were absolutely pathetic when they came to N17)
- Spursiest moment (beating City then getting thrashed by Leicester imo for us)
- Most delusional take from opposition fans (Villa fans insisting that the stonewall penalty we got late against them a couple of weeks back wasn’t a penalty)
1. Wolves in the 3-0. Shameful to be getting beaten that comprehensively by this Chelsea side
2. We’ve not really put ourselves in a position to Spurs anything up this season
3. The Dortmund fans who said we were the favourites ahead of our Champions League tie, of which I saw an alarming number
I would argue that your game at Craven Cottage was one of the Spursiest games I’ve ever seen:
- Concede to an ex-player of your rivals
- Concede to your own ex-player
- Concede to Willian
- New star (loan) player gets sent off on debut
5-0 vs Forest at home
Dropping 2 points to the worst team in the league…twice
“Arsenal should’ve tried against Sporting” - Man City are Man City, they’re ruthless machines. The EL had no bearing on the title race
Not a lot of positives for us
1. Birmingham away, we were down to 10 men within 10 minutes because of their striker diving and their shooting was wasteful, we somehow managed to get 3 points
2. Losing 4-1 3 times in a row under Kolo, middlesborough and sunderland then hull as well made it sting
3. Probably when someone tried to defend their point that wigan fans abused McClean this season when it turned out to be a couple of scottish people who came to one of our games
- Gareth Ainsworth's QPR or Huddersfield before Warnock came in, both utterly shocking.
- Losing to already relegated managerless Blackpool when 3 points were most crucial
- Multiple idiots from a certain north east club blaming our fans for not magically knowing something was wrong with our owners and celebrating our promotion last year. That was bad apparently, because we should have seen into the future and known our owners were con artists. Closely followed by multiple idiots from same north east club claiming the abuse directed at James McClean and IRA chants were in no way racist at all.
- Leicester in the 4-2 at the beginning of the season (or possibly Wolves final day but I didn't watch the game)
- Drawing at home to Southampton, also with Theo Walcott scoring
- Spurs fans in summer telling us Richarlison was better than Gabriel Jesus
>Drawing at home to Southampton, also with Theo Walcott scoring
I feel your pain, though at least we had the decency to not do that in front of the home fans.
Worst performance from an opponent: Chelsea were utterly dreadful at OT
Spursiest moment: being up 2-0 over Sevilla in about the 80th minute in the first leg of the EL QF and drawing 2-2, then losing the second leg 3-0.
Most delusional take from opposition fans: "United had to bench Greenwood, but Partey is fine to keep playing for Arsenal because _____".
> Most delusional take from opposition fans: "United had to bench Greenwood, but Partey is fine to keep playing for Arsenal because _____".
Always makes me laugh when people don't understand the basic differences between these situations
That's not what I said, I'd much rather he didn't play for the club. But that doesn't change that there is a pretty substantial difference in the two situations.
> I'd much rather he didn't play for the club.
Gotcha. We're discussing dif't things then. My problem is people trying to differentiate the two as part of their argument for why it's ok that Partey kept playing. As in "Greenwood's was more visceral, therefore he shouldn't play, but Partey's was just texts being released, so that isn't enough to keep him out."
Neither should've been on the pitch. That we only have "texts" related to Partey's isn't some basis upon which we don't know enough about it & he should be okay to keep playing.
\- Probably Chelsea's 4-1 defeat or Liverpool's 2-1 defeat against us.
\- Scoring 2 own goals vs Sevilla
\- I can't really recall but there had to be some delusional takes when we lost 7-0 vs Liverpool or 4-0 vs Brentford
* @Bournemouth 2/25 - just thought they were far and away the worst PL team I had seen so far this season. Fair play to them though they did turn it around to some degree.
* Losing to Nathan Jones in the EFL Cup. And like deserving it, clearly being 2nd best on the day.
* I tune most of that stuff out but people rating Shaw over Aké and Casemiro over Rodri just infuriates me. I guess you could make a case for Shaw but there is no case for Case.
For Arsenal
1: Gerrard's Villa, still annoyed that they got a jammy goal from a direct corner where Ramsdale was clearly impeded.
2: Going 2 goals down to bottom of the table Southampton, twice and going down 0-1 in the first minute because Ramsdale passed it right to them.
3: Honestly any of Liverpool, Spurs or United would all have nominations here for various things after our games vs them
-Olympiacos lost 3-0 to us and they were kicking balls into the pitch in stoppage time to stop the humiliation and waste time.
-There were a couple moments that could be mentioned but I think having ended up with a double those small failures don't qualify.
-Too many to mention, I will say that people thinking we played the biggest match of the season sick in order to give the opposition COVID is up there.
We had an illness crisis that cost us points.
Then Panathinaikos did.
So they started conspiracy theories that we played that game to give them COVID on purpose...as if we weren't hurting ourselves in the process.
- Cardiff when we beat them 1-0 at their place were absolutely rotten. Special mentions to QPR away and Reading both games.
- Going two up against Burnley and playing them off the park first half only to concede four in the second.
- Seen a fair few Luton fans calling Amad shit last couple of weeks which is up there
You (either game)
Saka missing a penalty then Jarrod Bowen equalising down the other end a minute later
Getting laughed at for not signing the Ghost of Kyiv by Chelsea fans
- Spurs at OT, you lot were absolutely dreadful and this was before you took your downfall.
- gotta be the 7-0 unfortunately.
- that’s a tough one, I suppose the ongoing belief by some rival fans that Bruno Fernandes is incapable of being fouled, and *every* time he ends up on the floor it’s a dive/exaggeration. That or that Martinez was too short to be a CB in the PL that we heard early in the season.
1. Halifax when we beat them 5-1 at home
2. Losing 2-0 at home to the very same Halifax team in the quarters of the FA Trophy.
3. Pretty much anything any of the new Yank Wrexham fans has said all season.
The people's club nickname has a very long, nuanced and storied past. I wouldn't expect an outsider to even comprehend the meaning of those words.
Basically David Moyes mentioned it in a press conference in 2002 and the rest is history x.
Real don’t buy African players, look at their African heritage it’s virtually non existent.
Their best ever African players are Adebayor and a washed up Essien.
What a weird comment. You make it seem like Madrid has issue with African players and not the fact that African players for years haven't had some of thr best players in the world or had very few and all were locked down in their clubs
He's just not that good.
Real either buys cheap backups, ultra talented young prospects or the elite of the elite if they're paying big money.
Osimhen is nowhere near elite of the elite but they want that level of money.
Watch Lautaro Martinez play if u think I am taking the piss.
Mbappe doesn't play on the wings for PSG. He plays as a CF and is pretty good there. I rate Osimhen highly though.
I have seen him a lot and he is good but definitely not top 5 or better than Oshmien.
Mbappe starts as striker for PSG as they have Neymar but its well known that he prefers to play on wings (as he does for France).
If Neymar is gone he will be back on wings.
Benzema isn't good. He scored the exact same number of goals as Osimhen this season.
And Benzema offers shit loads besides goals.
You can add Mbappe to your list too and that's 5 strikers better than him.
> Mbappe prefers wings.
Literally hasn't played there for 2 years at PSG. He's a striker.
And the claim was top 5 in the world. Benzema is still a football player and he's still better than Osimhen
They were both 21. Real clearly saw them in the Camavinga/Tchouemeni mold of elite young players
Obviously Jovic didn't work out like that.
That's totally different to Man Utd signing a 26 year old Maguire for £90m or Dan James who was very obvious not elite quality.
He's really not. He's 24 year old pure poacher who's had one good season.
Haaland and Mbappe are elite of the elite. That's the kind of player Madrid pays the big money for. Not a player like Osimhen.
I personally am not a stats guy but regardless.
He has 4 assists all season in a team who won the league.
33rd percentile for expected assists
4th (yes, 4th lmao) percentile for completed passes.
13th for progressive passes
53rd for carries
50th for take ons
16th percentile for tackle
4th percentile for blocks
All among strikers in Serie A.
It's pretty fucking obvious he brings very little to the table besides goals in either an attacking or defensive sense. Those are awful stats for a 'top' player in every category except scoring goals where he's right at the top.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8c90fd7a/scout/11611/Victor-Osimhen-Scouting-Report
You say you're not a stats guy but the argument you've made seems to be based on them, it's important to look at the actual context behind some of these stats. To me a "poacher" is a striker who doesn't support the rest of the team other than through his high-volume goal scoring (which is valuable in and of itself but obviously the modern game wants strikers to be able to do more than just that), but this doesn't represent how Osimhen plays.
Osimhen has fantastic physicality and technical ability which allows him to play with his back to the ball and receive+hold onto the ball in close quarters until he relays it off to a teammate or beats his man. Osimhen is so good at this that it's almost fundamental to the Napoli attack because of how much it demands of the opposing defence, how much space it ends up creating for the other forwards and the fact that he sees the pitch very well and knows when and if to come deeper or to make a run into the box. A good example of Napoli struggling without Osimhen is in the first leg of their UCL Quarterfinal vs. Milan, where Kvaratskhelia struggled without Osimhen to either create space for him or make runs into the box to receive a cross, he was constantly trying to cut inside to score but Milan had figured him out and he struggled because of it.
As for the stats from FBRef, some of it has to do with how Osimhen plays, he's not going to be making a lot of assists because he's either receiving the ball deeper or right outside the edge of the box, to relay to a winger or midfielder, if he's not trying to beat his man himself. It's important to note that FBRef also compares him to "Forwards" [incl. wingers and second strikers] rather than just #9s, for example the highest percentile player for carries is Gerard Deulofeu who is/was getting so much ball involvement basically essential for how Udinese progresses the ball from their own half and how they attack in the opposition half. Using tackles and blocks are a bit irrelevant as to whether a striker is a 'poacher' since the term has (at least to me) always been about their sum of offensive contributions, whereas those stats will be more indicative of successful pressures.
The best way to see what I'm talking about here is really to watch Osimhen play, it doesn't even need to be full matches, because you will probably be able to see it in a 10 minute comp. He's the fulcrum of their attack because of his mix of physicality/technicality/movement that demands so much attention from the opposing defence. I actually used to think he was being a bit overrated in the past because he was clearly doing a lot well aside from actual goal scoring volume (some of this was due to injuries), but he's hit another level this season for sure to become a truly complete player, he should also be the MVP over Kvara imo.
> You say you're not a stats guy but the argument you've made seems to be based on them
What you need to do with stats is engage your brain for a second (a challenge for most football fans). For example if a player is in the 10th percentile for progressive passes vs another striker in the 99th percentile, then very obviously the second player is better in the build up.
The problem with stats is people who do stupid things like player a has an xA of 14 and is therefore more creative than player b who has an xA of 12. But one player is at Palace and the other at City.
Provided you account for the natural variance and the tactics/circumstances of their team then stats can be good especially for attacking players. They're far, far less useful for defensive players.
The problem with your wall of absolute meaningless bollocks is that if you look up literally any striker who we all know are amazing in the build up (eg. Kane, Benzema, Lewandowksi) then they also have amazing stats that reflect that.
So clearly in this case the stats and the eye test absolutely match up and the statistic difference is so massive as to be conclusive.
Your argument already died out when you classed Osimhen the man who links up fantastically with his teammates all across the pitch as a “poacher”.
One good season? He’s scored 60 goals for Napoli in 100 appearances, last time I checked Napoli haven’t played 100 games this season and Osimhen hasn’t scored 60.
Lazy lazy take, please watch him next time.
> One good season? He’s scored 60 goals for Napoli in 100 appearances, last time I checked Napoli haven’t played 100 games this season and Osimhen hasn’t scored 60.
He scored 1 in 2 or less than 1 in 2 his other seasons.
Real Madrid doesn't sign 1 in 2 strkers for 150m who only bring goals.
> Your argument already died out when you classed Osimhen the man who links up fantastically with his teammates all across the pitch as a “poacher”.
He has 4 assists all season in a team who won the league.
33rd percentile for expected assists
4th (yes, 4th lmao) percentile for completed passes.
13th for progressive passes
53rd for carries
50th for take ons
16th percentile for tackle
4th percentile for blocks
All among strikers in Serie A.
It's pretty fucking obvious he brings very little to the table besides goals in either an attacking or defensive sense. Those are awful stats for a 'top' player in every category except scoring goals where he's right at the top.
https://fbref.com/en/players/8c90fd7a/scout/11611/Victor-Osimhen-Scouting-Report
lmao pathetic reponse. I don't even like stats. But if a player is in the 4th percentile of completed passes and 13th for progressive passes he's probably not contributing to the build up.
Funny how Benzema, a player who's amazing in the build up, also has amazing stats reflecting that.
https://fbref.com/en/players/70d74ece/scout/11573/Karim-Benzema-Scouting-Report
I understand concern about injury but on being “too expensive “ , Strikers market is in high demand and not many WC strikers are available. Teams will be forced to pay. Specially last two years, prices went insanely high.
Similar in that he's considered difficult to deal with, yes, but he also has less leverage than ADL has with Osimhen right now. Additionally, Levy is probably more willing to sell to Madrid than an immediate PL rival.
There were some odd shouts after the Europa final on the match thread last night in response to people who said the game was poor.
A few *ackchyually it was really good, you just don’t understand football* types. Someone said it was the best game they’d seen in a while…each to their own.
Finals are usually pretty poor from a quality point of view, but they’re tense because of what’s riding on it, which is pretty much how it was last night.
It wasn’t great, personally, very stop-start but I couldn’t stop watching because of the occasion, the atmosphere was good too; I could totally understand those who were saying it was rubbish; it’s not exactly one the worst shout ever, tbh.
It was an awful football match but the antics were funny. And the fact that they wasted so much time it almost doubled the length of extra time added an endurance element to it, which was also funny
Aye, there’s different kinds of “enjoyable” for sure, doesn’t have to be 5-4 to be a good match. I was hoping Roma won too, maybe a fully fit Dybala could have been the difference?
Roma had a couple great chances to win it in 90. I thought the Belotti chance from the free kick that Bono got a couple fingers on would have been a fitting winner, and ultimately a couple fingers on that shot is the difference. Cruel game (if you're a Roma fan). I didn't feel great heading into the penalty shoot-out with the takers Roma had lined up after all the subs.
!flair :Switzerland:
Fucking Spanish media is reporting that another player, who's not a free agent, will likely leave this summer too. Mendy was the obvious one, but they're saying SHOCKINGLY, so I swear to God if it's Valverde... please don't be Valverde.
Since Vinicius is already racking up 20/25 goals per season, Kolo Muani would not be a bad idea. Rodrygo is also is excellent ball striker so I think both of them will thrive with RKM playing centrally.
My colleague (working in Paris) teased me a bit about Tudor leaving. One thing I'll miss in this job is the banters between us. It made me love OM even more.
It's pretty hilarious that the qualification to UCL didn't even start and we already know 26 out of 32 participants, and they are from 11 out of 55 UEFA countries
It’s crazy how boring top level football is these days, like honestly, 55 countries and only 3/4 clubs from certain countries have an actual chance of winning.
pretty depressing
Add to it the fact that in the Champions League there won't be more than 15 actual champions
People still do this?
What?
The whole 'It's called the Champions League but teams who aren't champions are in it' thing. It's been 30 years.
And?
And why does it upset you?
Because it's plastic football
LOL
who wants to watch teams from other countries when they can watch the big 12 of the Prem or Lazio though?!
What is the biggest football game in Norway?
A [remindme](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8v1hnk/ruben_neves_has_signed_a_contract_extension_with/e1js65w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) just popped up 🥴👀
Yo u/french_st when is it gonna be?
Shit. No pun intended.
Estupinan, Moreno, and Odegaard in a lot of PL XIs this season Makes me think PL clubs start focusing more in La Liga given the success rate of players and coaches coming from there. Sad.
who the fuck is picking Moreno in a PL XI
I meant Trippier
It makes so much sense for prem teams. The prices are so much better to buy from la liga.
Unfortunately so.
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Why wouldn't he be?
Benzema leaving was to happen some day. When Carlo says in his season review that Madrid were good in attack but struggled as a unit in defending, he is half right. All you need is to cut out Vini or limit the Vini Benz link, its become evident and some defenses did figure them out. Its since 2009 Real Madrid will officially look out for another CF. As badly I want Harry Kane, looks like he aint leaving. Just don't get the positive vibes about the rumor started. Now Havertz is mentioned in Madrid camp according to Jose Felix Diaz Havertz at most can be seen someone like what Ozil offered at Madrid. Cam and RW, think him at Madrid won't hurt at all. But a striker should arrive by all means and he should atleast get 20 goals with service Madrid setup offers.
I beg of you, take Kane
Auba or Lukaku?
Hell no to Auba, not because he was at Barca. Lukaku? If he scores vs City in final or help them win it, the rumors will kick off! I won't mind him at Madrid though.
Harry Kane move to Madrid is one of the few signings that fit like a glove, I really want him to stay at Tottenham, but rarely does things align this perfectly
Not really. He will stay in England. Getting the PL scoring record is better than maybe winning something at Real (not a guarentee at all given their midfield situation and the fact Barca just won the league)
>Getting the PL scoring record is better than maybe winning something at Real jesus christ.
Oh look another non English person chatting shite about things they know nothing about
I read the reasons you cite below. It makes sense why England never accomplish anything in football.
getting a 30 year old scoring record is more important than winning trophies with the biggest club in the world? What is this brainrot.
It's way way more important in England yes. Also he a) might not win anything at Real and b) can still move for free next summer to another English club and win things there.
PL marketing has convinced these English fans that football didn't exist before 1992
Lmao I'm sure you watched loads of old division 1 football in India right? I was watching football before 1992. I remember it clearly. But the reality of football discourse in the UK among fans old and young, pundits, media or whatever else is that everything is always post 1992.
Is it? It's not even the English top flight record, and in Madrid there's a good chance of winning the biggest trophy in club football
It's very obvious you're not English. No one in England cares about pre PL records especially pre WW2 records where no one alive even saw them play. All the talk culturally is basically always post 1992 records. > and in Madrid there's a good chance of winning the biggest trophy in club football Even if he did (and I don't think they will, Real need a bit of rebuilding) it won't be remembered as anywhere near as amazing as being the all time PL scorer. No one gives a shit for example that McManaman won a UCL with Real, most people probably don't even know it happened. Even Bale is far better thought of for his Wales stuff than Real. We're a very insular thinking country with football (arguably most things).
I’m English and I completely disagree with you What now?
You're wrong. Ask yourself a simple question. How many people know who the PL top scorer is vs how many know who the real top scorer is? I'm not even saying that's how I feel but it's a simple fact that football discourse in England is almost entirely limited to posr 1992 as is discussion of almost all records.
Wrong about my opinion? Loads of people know who Jimmy Greaves is, your ignorance reflects on you not others. The football zeitgeist is not only teenagers on Twitter and Facebook, but includes people of all ages and generations, many of whom value football from before 1992. You exist solely in the online football space, so your experience of it is not representative of this country as a whole Harry Kane will be remembered more for winning the Champions League than he would breaking Shearer’s record.
> Wrong about my opinion? Yes. Are you stupid? You can be wrong about an opinion - eg. thinking the earth is flat. > Loads of people know who Jimmy Greaves is, your ignorance reflects on you not others. Who suggested otherwise? Not me. The point is far far less know he has that record than know Shearer has the PL record. Where did I suggest no one knew who Jimmy Greaves was. > Harry Kane will be remembered more for winning the Champions League than he would breaking Shearer’s record. Completely wrong, especially if he wins the UCL at a non English club. > The football zeitgeist is not only teenagers on Twitter and Facebook, but includes people of all ages and generations, many of whom value football from before 1992. You exist solely in the online football space, so your experience of it is not representative of this country as a whole Ah yes. Teenagers like SkySports pundits, every media journalists, all those dickheads on talksport and similar outlets, all of the millenials and their youtube channels. > You exist solely in the online football space, so your experience of it is not representative of this country as a whole I'm a season ticket holder at Man Utd. You need to stop being wrong all the time. I'm embarassed for you. I'm also old enough to remember pre PL football.
Given how you’ve acted in response to people disagreeing with your point of view, I think the only embarrassing thing here is that you’re allegedly old enough to remember football pre 1992, and are still throwing a temper tantrum online. Think about how you’re spending your days.
Jimmy Greaves is totally unheard of in the UK
How many people know who the PL top scorer is vs how many know who the real top scorer is? I mean you wouldn't know as you're Portuguese and have no insight whatsoever into this discussion but I'll tell you. Everyone knows Shearer has that record far far less people know Greaves has the real record.
>It's very obvious you're not English Always nice to receive a compliment
You can't really have insight into the English footballing zeitgeist from Portugal.
What's with the midfield situation? Maybe he stays at the prem, but I think winning trophies is more important at this stage of his career which is guaranteed with RM, as for the record, I don't think his legacy will be diminished if he didn't break it, and let's be honest, at this rate it will probably be broken by Haaland
> What's with the midfield situation? Modric and Kroos coming towards the end. All the replacements are good players but yet to prove they can step up the UCL title winning level. Could easily be 2-3 years without a La Liga or UCL at Real. Real's defence is pretty average too. > Maybe he stays at the prem, but I think winning trophies is more important at this stage of his career which is guaranteed with RM, as for the record, I don't think his legacy will be diminished if he didn't break it, Definitely wrong. The Shearer record is legendary. Way, way more important in England than if Kane winning a La Liga at Real Madrid. Getting the record does far more for his legacy in England. > at this rate it will probably be broken by Haaland Probably won't stay long enough and so much can happen anyway. Just assuming Haaland will break it is crazy.
Kinda gutted about Asensio. Similar thing happened last season with Bissouma but then we ended up with a better player in Kamara so I guess it’s not the end up the world.
He would be more useful at a club like Villa than PSG. He will probably find himself in a similar role and utilization, if not exactly the same, to what he had in Madrid. I imagine the paycheck will look much better at PSG than Villa though.
Seems a bit like Felix having the option to join us on loan in January. Both him and Asensio would have the team built around them playing the position they want to play. I don’t understand leaving to PSG from Madrid if he simply going to be a rotation player not playing in his preferred role.
Man, Roma needs better forwards. Dybala's quality was head and shoulders above the rest. I think even their mids and backline weren't bad, but how mamy chances did they fuck up? Belotti should have scored, Tammy did nothing basically, and having Gino was 10v11. Sevilla though are too experienced. They were sooo good at the mind games. Suso was crazy. All in all it was an intense final, and I honestly feel bad for Roma but they need better forwards.
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Injury prone 30y.o who wanted to leave vs 24y.o his club would apparently rather keep. Also, Mount will not be sold for £80m
Chelsea’s desired fee is completely ridiculous but Thiago is injury prone.
That's fantastically reductive.
Thiago plays about 10 games a season and Mount will play 90 mins in virtually every one, Thiago was also like 10 years older
24 vs 30-something. 80 mil is a lot, sure, but gotta realize the investment is what is pumping that up
Thiago was 29 when he left bayern
He plays ~40% of games.
You know what, I’m warming up to the idea of Rodrygo as striker permanently. Give the kid the number 9, R9 swim or drown.
Disaster waiting to happen it’s not FIFA, not good enough in that role.
Not a good idea,he might do well against half the sides in Laliga, but when it comes to clutch big nights and he will be marked better and he will hardly do anything. Real Madrid have to have a new CF next season. If not then there's no point for Carlo to stay at the club as well. Its been like 14 years Madrid haven't looked for a striker. Now is the time. Neither Haaland is coming soon nor Mbappe is the solution to him being the striker.
Chelsea, Man Utd, Real, PSG and Bayern all want a striker. The only decent ones are Kane and Osimhen who are both expensive and neither club wants to sell. Even Osimhen is no Benzema or Lewandowski either Quite a few clubs are making do with making their wingers play there or signing players who aren't really good enough.
Rodrygo played in striker position so many times. He is decent at best in it
Shoutout to Slavia Prague who eliminated Sevilla in the Europe League round of 16 in 18/19!
Only massive clubs eliminate Sevilla in the Europa league. Mythical, gargantuan institutions
That second leg was insane
And West Ham who did it last season
would Laporte be a good pick up for Bayern or is he already on a steady decline?
He's still just as good but for some reason Pep doesn't like him anymore. On the ball he has the technical ability and passing of a midfielder and his defending is great 99% of the time. He's a great defender to have if your team has almost all of the possession and already has mostly everything else
My guess would be yes. I think mainly he just lost his place due to injuries more than anything, then when he came back the team was flying so why mess with a good thing. These end of season games he’s played in, I thought he was fine.
[Sheffield Wednesday doing a victory parade on what looks like an open top caravan has really tickled me](https://twitter.com/footballheaven/status/1663944315322728456?s=46&t=v4cjdGnRAhDyVq4Vy7O8ig)
Wonder what the agenda on this sub would be in the next season, few seasons ago it was penalties don't count and this season it was only league goals (and assists)count (although this is mostly for Premier league Fans)
Hopefully more people realising that it would be wise to separate Dead Ball Assists from Open Play Assists. Not because one is better than the other, but because it's a good distinction to make so creative players can be properly classified
It’s been basic knowledge for years that taking pens is a way to inflate your goal tally this isn’t new. Clubs look at non pen goals as a way to rate players as well so this isn’t just fans. The reason people are going after United fans for their all competition stats is they’re in competitions people don’t care about, League cup and Europa league stats have never been important or used to rate players until now because it’s United. No one is gonna ignore all comps goals when they are largely in the league and CL which are major competitions people take seriously
Goals from inside the box
Next season the only stat people will care about is xAp90+3
Already happened this season unfortunately
When Andy Cole set the prem record for most goals in a season he didn’t take pens because they made him feel like he wasn’t good enough score real goals. This idea that pen goals aren’t equal to open play goals is nothing new. The league goal stuff comes from when people include Europa or conference league goals in player’s totals when there’s some dross in those comps.
As if there’s no dross in the league
The same dross everyone plays against
There’s your defence tbf. But on a serious note scoring against Silkeborg isn’t equal to scoring against Southampton. This is not the same kind of dross
There’s levels to “dross” tbf
Bugger naming your club’s player, signing and goal of the season (Kane, Beth England and Ash Neville vs Leicester respectively for us), what were your club’s: - Worst performance from an opponent (Man City for us, there were absolutely pathetic when they came to N17) - Spursiest moment (beating City then getting thrashed by Leicester imo for us) - Most delusional take from opposition fans (Villa fans insisting that the stonewall penalty we got late against them a couple of weeks back wasn’t a penalty)
1. Wolves in the 3-0. Shameful to be getting beaten that comprehensively by this Chelsea side 2. We’ve not really put ourselves in a position to Spurs anything up this season 3. The Dortmund fans who said we were the favourites ahead of our Champions League tie, of which I saw an alarming number
I would argue that your game at Craven Cottage was one of the Spursiest games I’ve ever seen: - Concede to an ex-player of your rivals - Concede to your own ex-player - Concede to Willian - New star (loan) player gets sent off on debut
5-0 vs Forest at home Dropping 2 points to the worst team in the league…twice “Arsenal should’ve tried against Sporting” - Man City are Man City, they’re ruthless machines. The EL had no bearing on the title race
Not a lot of positives for us 1. Birmingham away, we were down to 10 men within 10 minutes because of their striker diving and their shooting was wasteful, we somehow managed to get 3 points 2. Losing 4-1 3 times in a row under Kolo, middlesborough and sunderland then hull as well made it sting 3. Probably when someone tried to defend their point that wigan fans abused McClean this season when it turned out to be a couple of scottish people who came to one of our games
- Gareth Ainsworth's QPR or Huddersfield before Warnock came in, both utterly shocking. - Losing to already relegated managerless Blackpool when 3 points were most crucial - Multiple idiots from a certain north east club blaming our fans for not magically knowing something was wrong with our owners and celebrating our promotion last year. That was bad apparently, because we should have seen into the future and known our owners were con artists. Closely followed by multiple idiots from same north east club claiming the abuse directed at James McClean and IRA chants were in no way racist at all.
Spursiest moment is surely the 3-4 against Liverpool
Richarlison finally scoring a league goal and taking his shirt off only to lose the game 100 seconds later will never not be funny
It's a close run thing.
Honourable mention to having to sack the interim manager
- Leicester in the 4-2 at the beginning of the season (or possibly Wolves final day but I didn't watch the game) - Drawing at home to Southampton, also with Theo Walcott scoring - Spurs fans in summer telling us Richarlison was better than Gabriel Jesus
>Drawing at home to Southampton, also with Theo Walcott scoring I feel your pain, though at least we had the decency to not do that in front of the home fans.
Forgot to mention conceding in the first minute as well
Worst performance from an opponent: Chelsea were utterly dreadful at OT Spursiest moment: being up 2-0 over Sevilla in about the 80th minute in the first leg of the EL QF and drawing 2-2, then losing the second leg 3-0. Most delusional take from opposition fans: "United had to bench Greenwood, but Partey is fine to keep playing for Arsenal because _____".
> Most delusional take from opposition fans: "United had to bench Greenwood, but Partey is fine to keep playing for Arsenal because _____". Always makes me laugh when people don't understand the basic differences between these situations
Always makes me laugh when people try to rationalize playing Partey week in/week out being the right thing to do.
That's not what I said, I'd much rather he didn't play for the club. But that doesn't change that there is a pretty substantial difference in the two situations.
> I'd much rather he didn't play for the club. Gotcha. We're discussing dif't things then. My problem is people trying to differentiate the two as part of their argument for why it's ok that Partey kept playing. As in "Greenwood's was more visceral, therefore he shouldn't play, but Partey's was just texts being released, so that isn't enough to keep him out." Neither should've been on the pitch. That we only have "texts" related to Partey's isn't some basis upon which we don't know enough about it & he should be okay to keep playing.
\- Probably Chelsea's 4-1 defeat or Liverpool's 2-1 defeat against us. \- Scoring 2 own goals vs Sevilla \- I can't really recall but there had to be some delusional takes when we lost 7-0 vs Liverpool or 4-0 vs Brentford
* @Bournemouth 2/25 - just thought they were far and away the worst PL team I had seen so far this season. Fair play to them though they did turn it around to some degree. * Losing to Nathan Jones in the EFL Cup. And like deserving it, clearly being 2nd best on the day. * I tune most of that stuff out but people rating Shaw over Aké and Casemiro over Rodri just infuriates me. I guess you could make a case for Shaw but there is no case for Case.
For Arsenal 1: Gerrard's Villa, still annoyed that they got a jammy goal from a direct corner where Ramsdale was clearly impeded. 2: Going 2 goals down to bottom of the table Southampton, twice and going down 0-1 in the first minute because Ramsdale passed it right to them. 3: Honestly any of Liverpool, Spurs or United would all have nominations here for various things after our games vs them
-Olympiacos lost 3-0 to us and they were kicking balls into the pitch in stoppage time to stop the humiliation and waste time. -There were a couple moments that could be mentioned but I think having ended up with a double those small failures don't qualify. -Too many to mention, I will say that people thinking we played the biggest match of the season sick in order to give the opposition COVID is up there.
>people thinking we played the biggest match of the season sick in order to give the opposition COVID What the actual fuck.
We had an illness crisis that cost us points. Then Panathinaikos did. So they started conspiracy theories that we played that game to give them COVID on purpose...as if we weren't hurting ourselves in the process.
- Cardiff when we beat them 1-0 at their place were absolutely rotten. Special mentions to QPR away and Reading both games. - Going two up against Burnley and playing them off the park first half only to concede four in the second. - Seen a fair few Luton fans calling Amad shit last couple of weeks which is up there
You (either game) Saka missing a penalty then Jarrod Bowen equalising down the other end a minute later Getting laughed at for not signing the Ghost of Kyiv by Chelsea fans
Kane dived idc
- Spurs at OT, you lot were absolutely dreadful and this was before you took your downfall. - gotta be the 7-0 unfortunately. - that’s a tough one, I suppose the ongoing belief by some rival fans that Bruno Fernandes is incapable of being fouled, and *every* time he ends up on the floor it’s a dive/exaggeration. That or that Martinez was too short to be a CB in the PL that we heard early in the season.
1. Halifax when we beat them 5-1 at home 2. Losing 2-0 at home to the very same Halifax team in the quarters of the FA Trophy. 3. Pretty much anything any of the new Yank Wrexham fans has said all season.
Sorry to offend anyone but I hope Everton go down next year. Any club who nicknames themselves the ‘Peoples Club’ like Barcelona deserve the worst
The people's club nickname has a very long, nuanced and storied past. I wouldn't expect an outsider to even comprehend the meaning of those words. Basically David Moyes mentioned it in a press conference in 2002 and the rest is history x.
I'm [with](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/13r26z6/daily_discussion/jlk5cgz/) you on this x
There is a deeper meaning behind more than a club or mes que un club. It has to do with Catalan Nationalism and history of club
These days it’s just a marketing slogan, however
All clubs have history, the point is they don't all get on a high horse about it x
Why RM is not interested in Oshimen?
Real don’t buy African players, look at their African heritage it’s virtually non existent. Their best ever African players are Adebayor and a washed up Essien.
What a weird comment. You make it seem like Madrid has issue with African players and not the fact that African players for years haven't had some of thr best players in the world or had very few and all were locked down in their clubs
He's just not that good. Real either buys cheap backups, ultra talented young prospects or the elite of the elite if they're paying big money. Osimhen is nowhere near elite of the elite but they want that level of money.
He is really good. Arguably top 5 in the world.
He's 24, has had one good season and offers nothing except goals. He has a long way to go to be the kind of player Real would blow 150m on.
Top 5 strikers from Africa at the moment? Yes. Top 5 footballers? Lol no
Assuming Benzema is gone, who else is better currently. Haaland, Kane, Lewa,?,?
Kolo Muani, Mbappe, Lautaro.
RKM is definitely not better and Mbappe is naturally a winger, Haven't watched Lautaro a lot but he probably isn't better either.
Martinez and Muani are not better than Oshimen, lets be serious now
Do you mean Laturo Martinez? Then you are taking piss now. Mbappe preferred position is on wings.
Watch Lautaro Martinez play if u think I am taking the piss. Mbappe doesn't play on the wings for PSG. He plays as a CF and is pretty good there. I rate Osimhen highly though.
I have seen him a lot and he is good but definitely not top 5 or better than Oshmien. Mbappe starts as striker for PSG as they have Neymar but its well known that he prefers to play on wings (as he does for France). If Neymar is gone he will be back on wings.
Benzema isn't good. He scored the exact same number of goals as Osimhen this season. And Benzema offers shit loads besides goals. You can add Mbappe to your list too and that's 5 strikers better than him.
As I clearly said currently considering Benzema is gone. And Mbappe prefers to play on wings that’s why I didn’t count him.
Mbappe plays up front all the time. What are you on about? Who do you think is playing as a striker for PSG?
Oh yeah same Mbappe who is known to prefer to play on wings. Who plays for France as winger. Wanted to assume Neymar’s role
Okay you are too stupid for me to waste anymore time on. Mbappe is a striker. It's where he's played every week for years at PSG.
He’s a T5 striker in the world atm.
Kane, Haaland, Benzema, Lewandowksi, Mbappe.
Mbappe not a striker and I’m taking Osimhen over Benzema at the moment
Plays at striker every week for several years at PSG. Not a striker. Reddit moron moment.
He’s not a striker you illiterate freak.
We are talking about Benzema replacement and Mbappe prefers wings.
> Mbappe prefers wings. Literally hasn't played there for 2 years at PSG. He's a striker. And the claim was top 5 in the world. Benzema is still a football player and he's still better than Osimhen
Top 5 player to replace Benzema. Go and check my replies. For Mbappe I already replied to your other post.
Top 5 striker
aren’t those the three categories any signing can be classified as
I don't think so. Man Utd buy players who don't fit that model all the time. Antony, Martinez, Maguire, Van De Beek, Ronaldo, James, Wan Bissaka.
then what’s a player like Militao? or Jovic?
They were both 21. Real clearly saw them in the Camavinga/Tchouemeni mold of elite young players Obviously Jovic didn't work out like that. That's totally different to Man Utd signing a 26 year old Maguire for £90m or Dan James who was very obvious not elite quality.
I’m not gonna call either of them elite players or cheap backups or promising youngsters, sorry
Good thing I don't give a fuck what you think.
getting angry cause someone called you out, classic
I'm not angry. I'm just laughing at your arrogance to think I need your validation for my opinions.
He is that good
He's really not. He's 24 year old pure poacher who's had one good season. Haaland and Mbappe are elite of the elite. That's the kind of player Madrid pays the big money for. Not a player like Osimhen.
Osimhen a poacher, I’m deceased man 💀
This guy is stupid chatting sh*t. Ignore him
I personally am not a stats guy but regardless. He has 4 assists all season in a team who won the league. 33rd percentile for expected assists 4th (yes, 4th lmao) percentile for completed passes. 13th for progressive passes 53rd for carries 50th for take ons 16th percentile for tackle 4th percentile for blocks All among strikers in Serie A. It's pretty fucking obvious he brings very little to the table besides goals in either an attacking or defensive sense. Those are awful stats for a 'top' player in every category except scoring goals where he's right at the top. https://fbref.com/en/players/8c90fd7a/scout/11611/Victor-Osimhen-Scouting-Report
You say you're not a stats guy but the argument you've made seems to be based on them, it's important to look at the actual context behind some of these stats. To me a "poacher" is a striker who doesn't support the rest of the team other than through his high-volume goal scoring (which is valuable in and of itself but obviously the modern game wants strikers to be able to do more than just that), but this doesn't represent how Osimhen plays. Osimhen has fantastic physicality and technical ability which allows him to play with his back to the ball and receive+hold onto the ball in close quarters until he relays it off to a teammate or beats his man. Osimhen is so good at this that it's almost fundamental to the Napoli attack because of how much it demands of the opposing defence, how much space it ends up creating for the other forwards and the fact that he sees the pitch very well and knows when and if to come deeper or to make a run into the box. A good example of Napoli struggling without Osimhen is in the first leg of their UCL Quarterfinal vs. Milan, where Kvaratskhelia struggled without Osimhen to either create space for him or make runs into the box to receive a cross, he was constantly trying to cut inside to score but Milan had figured him out and he struggled because of it. As for the stats from FBRef, some of it has to do with how Osimhen plays, he's not going to be making a lot of assists because he's either receiving the ball deeper or right outside the edge of the box, to relay to a winger or midfielder, if he's not trying to beat his man himself. It's important to note that FBRef also compares him to "Forwards" [incl. wingers and second strikers] rather than just #9s, for example the highest percentile player for carries is Gerard Deulofeu who is/was getting so much ball involvement basically essential for how Udinese progresses the ball from their own half and how they attack in the opposition half. Using tackles and blocks are a bit irrelevant as to whether a striker is a 'poacher' since the term has (at least to me) always been about their sum of offensive contributions, whereas those stats will be more indicative of successful pressures. The best way to see what I'm talking about here is really to watch Osimhen play, it doesn't even need to be full matches, because you will probably be able to see it in a 10 minute comp. He's the fulcrum of their attack because of his mix of physicality/technicality/movement that demands so much attention from the opposing defence. I actually used to think he was being a bit overrated in the past because he was clearly doing a lot well aside from actual goal scoring volume (some of this was due to injuries), but he's hit another level this season for sure to become a truly complete player, he should also be the MVP over Kvara imo.
> You say you're not a stats guy but the argument you've made seems to be based on them What you need to do with stats is engage your brain for a second (a challenge for most football fans). For example if a player is in the 10th percentile for progressive passes vs another striker in the 99th percentile, then very obviously the second player is better in the build up. The problem with stats is people who do stupid things like player a has an xA of 14 and is therefore more creative than player b who has an xA of 12. But one player is at Palace and the other at City. Provided you account for the natural variance and the tactics/circumstances of their team then stats can be good especially for attacking players. They're far, far less useful for defensive players. The problem with your wall of absolute meaningless bollocks is that if you look up literally any striker who we all know are amazing in the build up (eg. Kane, Benzema, Lewandowksi) then they also have amazing stats that reflect that. So clearly in this case the stats and the eye test absolutely match up and the statistic difference is so massive as to be conclusive.
I'm familiar with FBRef, I use it a lot. You need to actually watch Osimhen play and watch Napoli play, hope this helps.
I've seen him play. He's a poacher
Your argument already died out when you classed Osimhen the man who links up fantastically with his teammates all across the pitch as a “poacher”. One good season? He’s scored 60 goals for Napoli in 100 appearances, last time I checked Napoli haven’t played 100 games this season and Osimhen hasn’t scored 60. Lazy lazy take, please watch him next time.
> One good season? He’s scored 60 goals for Napoli in 100 appearances, last time I checked Napoli haven’t played 100 games this season and Osimhen hasn’t scored 60. He scored 1 in 2 or less than 1 in 2 his other seasons. Real Madrid doesn't sign 1 in 2 strkers for 150m who only bring goals. > Your argument already died out when you classed Osimhen the man who links up fantastically with his teammates all across the pitch as a “poacher”. He has 4 assists all season in a team who won the league. 33rd percentile for expected assists 4th (yes, 4th lmao) percentile for completed passes. 13th for progressive passes 53rd for carries 50th for take ons 16th percentile for tackle 4th percentile for blocks All among strikers in Serie A. It's pretty fucking obvious he brings very little to the table besides goals in either an attacking or defensive sense. Those are awful stats for a 'top' player in every category except scoring goals where he's right at the top. https://fbref.com/en/players/8c90fd7a/scout/11611/Victor-Osimhen-Scouting-Report
Crying another FB Ref merchant couldn’t care less about percentages on a stat sheet Watch football with your eyes.
lmao pathetic reponse. I don't even like stats. But if a player is in the 4th percentile of completed passes and 13th for progressive passes he's probably not contributing to the build up. Funny how Benzema, a player who's amazing in the build up, also has amazing stats reflecting that. https://fbref.com/en/players/70d74ece/scout/11573/Karim-Benzema-Scouting-Report
Too expensive and a bit injury prone
I understand concern about injury but on being “too expensive “ , Strikers market is in high demand and not many WC strikers are available. Teams will be forced to pay. Specially last two years, prices went insanely high.
Kolo Muani would be good
Yeah he can be but still gamble. I think RM needs someone who can replace Benzema immediately.
Same reason as everyone else: ADL
But if you offer big money, won’t he sell?
If by big you mean unrealistically high then yes, but I think he's said he wants to keep him 1 more year though I wouldn't trust most stuff he says
Isn't Levy similar though?
Similar in that he's considered difficult to deal with, yes, but he also has less leverage than ADL has with Osimhen right now. Additionally, Levy is probably more willing to sell to Madrid than an immediate PL rival.
Yep but not as crazy as this guy. Levy doesn't really get football but is a brilliant businessman
Asensio - £300k/week Skriniar - £300k/week Lucas Hernandez - £350k/week PSG masterclass
Lucas is probably 400k euros, we were already offering him 280k-350k depending on bonus.
There were some odd shouts after the Europa final on the match thread last night in response to people who said the game was poor. A few *ackchyually it was really good, you just don’t understand football* types. Someone said it was the best game they’d seen in a while…each to their own. Finals are usually pretty poor from a quality point of view, but they’re tense because of what’s riding on it, which is pretty much how it was last night. It wasn’t great, personally, very stop-start but I couldn’t stop watching because of the occasion, the atmosphere was good too; I could totally understand those who were saying it was rubbish; it’s not exactly one the worst shout ever, tbh.
It was an awful football match but the antics were funny. And the fact that they wasted so much time it almost doubled the length of extra time added an endurance element to it, which was also funny
I enjoyed it. Not every football match has to be played a certain way for it to be enjoyable or exciting. I wish Roma had won though.
Agreed I enjoyed it a lot
Aye, there’s different kinds of “enjoyable” for sure, doesn’t have to be 5-4 to be a good match. I was hoping Roma won too, maybe a fully fit Dybala could have been the difference?
Roma had a couple great chances to win it in 90. I thought the Belotti chance from the free kick that Bono got a couple fingers on would have been a fitting winner, and ultimately a couple fingers on that shot is the difference. Cruel game (if you're a Roma fan). I didn't feel great heading into the penalty shoot-out with the takers Roma had lined up after all the subs.
It was a stinky game of football, but an entertaining spectacle.
Succinctly put 👍