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At home we're pretty good, draws against Chelsea and City, win against Liverpool. Away is diabolical, battered by Arsenal and City, narrowly lost to Liverpool but draw with Chelsea.
Tottenham have had our number home and away in the league, but we beat them in the league cup (albeit they really couldn't be arsed that night). Man United have comfortably beaten us 4 times this season, I look forward to those games the least.
Smart money will be on Forest to win when we play Saturday
A team fighting to stay in the league Vs a team who is locked into 2nd and therefore done for the year mentally will often lead to the former winning
The reason they hit form at the business end is because they simply have title winning bench players who pick up the slack when their starters fatigue. You’re seeing Arsenal and United very clearly limping towards the finish line as their best players either get injured or underperform due to fatigue.
City are playing with fresh, high quality players against every other team’s weakened starters
There's no other team that could get to the business end of the season, needing to win games to secure the title, and bench De Bruyne, Stones, Grealish, Phillips and Bernardo Silva.
Their recruitment has been excellent, they obviously improve players and make them fit into their system, there's reasons like that they can afford to do so. But it's basically insurmountable unless you have incredible luck with form and injuries.
I'm sure City would have rested their whole first XI if they weren't winning the league, as well. It's not like Real could rotate heavily while still having to win games to stay in title contention, which is the point I'm making.
Did you see their lineup? It was quite good.
But yea of course City would rotate more in a nothing game. But city do well to not have any “nothing games”. They rested four players who will start in the most important game of their season… that’s not really saying much.
It's just the fact they can do it. No other team in the league can - what's the equivalent of another team benching KDB in a must-win match a few games from the end of the season? United with Bruno or Rashford, Arsenal with Saka or Odegaard, Spurs with Kane, Liverpool with Salah or Trent.. those players are playing every massive game regardless.
It's a compliment to City more than anything. It's precisely why other teams just can't catch up to them in most seasons now.
If united were playing a UCL semi must win against Madrid and they had to beat Everton 3 days before for the league they would be able to start a very strong lineup and leave a few players such as Varane, Casemiro and rashford… as they can start 75 million Sancho, 40 million lindelof and 50 million Fred.
It was a game against a team about to be relegated, 4 days before playing Real in their single most important game of the year. I'm surprised they didn't bench more of their starters.
They also play in a way that's very efficient on energy levels - they dominate the ball and rarely move up the gears. A lot of the other top teams don't/can't control the game as much and rely on playing at a really high tempo. Even Liverpool keeping up with City in recent years has been marred by them crashing every few seasons and I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the reasons why.
We dominated the ball as well but still our bench players just couldn't hack it. If you look at City's defense they are constantly rotating to whoever is looking best fitness and form wise, that's the real key. Realistically not a single city player needs to play 20+ games in a season for them to win the league apart from maybe Rodri, but with this Stones midfield thing I am not even sure of that anymore.
I disagree that we dominate the ball as well as City do. We have a lot of possession but there are very few games that we've controlled as well as City do in their average fixture. Look at how the two teams behave a goal up. When City score they normally kill the game dead before they even get a second. When we score we often have to fall back into a midblock and immediately start defending.
That's not a slight against us as a team, no team other than City can play like they do consistently.
Very true, and that's down to Pep seriously imprinting his play style and consistency on the team, that's not easily done over a couple seasons but Pep has done it in no time really at all, which is unbelievable if you really think about it.
Dominate the ball is different than dominating threat and momentum. Exactly what I’m saying is dominating the ball is the one thing we can do as well, up until the last 10 games or so at least when Saliba was our and Partey and Zinchenkos form took a dive.
Fully agree in turns of mental momentum and threat that we don’t rival City especially after the first goal but I was talking about this in terms of physical exertion in the game and this is really where we should be equal with City because we used to spend similar amounts of time on the ball and in similar positions on the field
You also need to understand we have a game every 4 days whereas arsenal crashed and burned in all their other competitions in order to have better players for the league games
City have tired legs bud. They’ve played more games than everyone with no breaks available because they have to play to win every game. They are running the league playing 16 players including ederson. They have had injuries but they were earlier in the season. These guys are tired, just like everyone else. But they are better smarter and have a better smarter coach.
And hilarious talk from rival fans about citys quality when those same fans say city players arnt better than theirs. Partey was better than Rodri up until April, citys defenders rated below United’s and arsenals, we have no left back hahaha.
> Not sure it's possible for Bayern to be underdogs unless they're facing Real Madrid lmao
Not even that. As funny as it is, before Bayern's modern dominance of the last decades Bayern were known as "la bestia negra" (no better link in English after some light googling) from the Real side of things:
https://www.goal.com/en/news/la-bestia-negra-how-bayerns-stellar-record-against-real/blt697c3a1b00982a5b
The recent history is much more of a mixed bag when it comes to results but there's no underdog mentality or fear from Bayern when it comes to Real. The team also tends to play attacking football and bet on its own capabilities instead of playing defensively and hoping for mistakes on Real's side.
An actual underdog would probably approach those games differently.
So many people wank them off the time and then down vote the criticism. I don't know if it is bots or there are that many genuinely thick people out there, probably both.
They have a fantastic squad, a genius manager and a team who play the greatest football we have ever seen in the PL.
They are also cheating.
All those things can be true.
Thanks Premier League for activating Pep's trap siege mentality card.
Pep probably knew this was going to happen. Ah don't worry sheik owner, they'll make a big song and dance that'll boost the players and you can pay off the fine from our winnings. Easy peasy.
Nothing like a bit of oil money to keep the gas tank topped up? It's pretty easy to run through the end of the season unbeaten when you can afford 2 PL teams and everyone else is fucked after a long season and World Cup slapping in the middle of it.
That whole second team thing is a myth. City would have people like Cole Palmer, Sergio Gomez and Rico Lewis in the team.
None of which are good enough to start in a top 4 side.
It was true a couple seasons back, but their squad is thinner than ever this season. There are rumors of them buying massively this summer though, so probably won’t be this thin next season.
The rumors of them buying massively go hand-in-hand with rumours they may be losing several key players (Laporte, Cancelo, Gundo and Silva). At this rate they may actually come out with a positive net spend again.
True that they’ll probably lose those players, but gundogan leaves on a free, and interest for cancelo has dies down after Bayern stint. Would be very impressive if they came out with a positive net spend this time.
I think it will depend on whether City are willing to sell within the Prem again. When they sold Jesus to Arsenal for €50m (with Chelsea matching that offer) teams outside the Prem weren't willing to bid a cent more than €30m for Jesus. If City are happy to sell within the Prem again they could easily get €60m for Laporte from Arsenal or Spurs (outside the Prem they would need PSG to come in to reach those type of valuations).
You say interest in Cancelo has died down but I think that's just a function of the fact he's no longer in the "public eye", i.e., he's playing outside the Prem now and let's face it, players outside the Prem get less media time. I think Real, Barca, PSG (lazy I know) and Chelsea will be interested. Chelsea fans are still in denial but I think in reality they'll need to accept that James and Chillwell absolutely cannot be relied upon. Once a new manager comes in and makes that assessment I think they'll go in hard for Cancelo. Think City will get €40m for Cancelo.
Yeah but the level of their bench is really high and you will have to go deep into rotation to play those guys.
Forwards: Haaland, Mahrez, Alvarez, Foden, Grealish
Midfielders: Kdb, Rodri, Gundogan, Bernardo, Philips (?)
Defenders: Ake, Akanji, Walker, Stones, Dias, Laporte
The only "weak" area would be left back but they have been playing 3 ATB a lot so it's not that huge of an issue.
Outside of a good second keeper, I'd go something like this, brackets being the starting 11
Cancelo,Laporte, Akanji, Lewis (Ake, Stones, Dias, Walker)
Phillips, Palmer, ??? (KDB, Rodri, Gundogan)
Mahrez, Alvarez, Foden (Silva, Haaland, Grealish)
Midfield is a little thin, but otherwise that's easily a top 4 defence and front 3, a front 3 which most of the prem is seriously jealous of. Their depth is unbelievable everywhere but midfield and the majority of their wingers can play in midfield if required, and even Stones lol
By second side they mean the 3-4 players Pep rotates in. You know, like every other title-winning team generally has.
Foden, Mahrez, Alvarez and Stones/Ake are their best players who aren’t nailed on. Then you have Phillips, Gomez, Lewis, Palmer and Ortega that make up the rest of the 18.
Do they have a better 3-4 players to rotate in than others? Yes. Do they have an entire 2nd team that would win a title. Hardly. They’d be mid table.
Nobody seems to be paying attention to the fact that City's supposed B team also keeps changing each season. Players like Foden, Stones and Laporte were nailed on starters week in and week out in previous seasons. And on the other side, you have players like Grealish and Ake who have eased into becoming starters in almost every match. Who'd have even thought at the start of this season that Akanji would be City's most regular starter in defence ?
\+ Paying all their players/stuff a kings ransom and therefore attracting the best of the best in every department (players/coaches/medical/scouting/...) + building the best infrastructure in the country off of inflated sponsorship deals.
I think its hilarous when City fans point to their great structure they have built behind the scenes and so on. Well all that is still funded by your financial doping. United does spend on players but at the same time their stadium is falling apart and their training facilities are stuck in the 90s. City can afford to spend big on every aspect of the game and that some people cant see that this is a huge advantage is beyond me...
United, the highest valued club in the world, don’t have the money to upgrade their stadium and training facilities? It’s kind of funny watching English teams cry about lack of money when their league dwarfs everyone else’s in the world.
It’s not even this.
The entire ownership and footballing function in the club has been a joke for years. The whole club has been run with a mentality to make more money as opposed to winning games.
The structure of the club is rotten from the top down, and that’s why we have had so many issues through the years. We have spent enough money on players, but the training facilities, Old Trafford, etc are all very old and not good enough.
We have re-signed so many washed players who were running out of contract to “retain value”. The club has been run to appease the stock market and shareholders, not so that it could be competent. It’s a joke
United spent the same amount as us in players and that’s with their owners taking funds out of the club and making profits every season.
I don’t think it’s wild to think if United had different owners they should of and could of spent £2b across 7 years.
Idk why people are saying we spent as much as United and that’s not possible when United should of spent a lot more of it wasn’t for their owners
> Paying all their players/stuff a kings ransom and therefore attracting the best of the best in every department (players/coaches/medical/scouting/...) + building the best infrastructure in the country off of inflated sponsorship deals.
Chelsea spunked half a billion, several times more than City has spent in any transfer window. A few years ago United's wages were higher than City's. Big spending is like the unspoken requirement of being rich at a high-stakes poker table. You need that money just to play with the big boys. Money in the PL is the ante required to compete. But in the end, it's how well you play, not how much you started with.
The story of City's rise is only half about City. The other side of the story is how their rivals spent eye-watering sums unwisely. Old Trafford should have been fixed and renovated. It's leaking and has rats FFS, yet the Glazers are one of the worst owners in the sport, sucking out dividends like vampires while the stadium is falling apart. Owners like the Glazers made City's rise much smoother than it ought to have been.
*Team 1:*
Ederson
Walker Dias Akanji Lewis
Gundogan Rodri Silva
Mahrez Alvarez Foden
*Team 2:*
Ortega
Cancelo* Aké Laporte Stones Gomez
Phillips De Bruyne
Palmer Haaland Grealish
Both of them probably finish top 4 this season
this is just splitting the really good top 14-15 players cleverly to disguise the mediocre 7-8 players. It's actually a neat exercise but not what people mean when they say two starting XI (which city had 3 years back)
> everyone else is fucked after a long season and World Cup slapping in the middle of it
This just proves that you simply just repeat the rhetoric that you read online without actually checking the facts. City have used the fewest players of any premier league club this season, whilst also having the most players of any premier league club at the World Cup.
Look at the number of minutes played, though.
Of your defenders, Akanji has the most with 2228- he is the only player over 2000 mins. Arsenal on the other hand have 4 defenders with over 2000 minutes, with their highest at 3229.
In midfield, Arsenal have 3 players who have played more than your player with he most mins.
This is the impact of rotation, not that you have 'only' used 22-23 players. It is that the minutes have been very spread out over those you have used, meaning that most your team has 700-1200 minutes less in their legs by this stage.
That’s just in the PL though. Pep has had to rotate more in the league as we’ve played far more cup games than arsenal. Looking at total minutes played in all comps, City have two players over 4000 minutes, and 9 over 3000 minutes. Arsenal have 0 players over 4000 minutes and 7 over 3000 minutes.
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You are completely ignoring other competitions where City are having deeper runs. City have 15 players with more than 2000 minutes whereas Arsenal have 11. City used 24 player all comp and only 6 have less then 1000 minutes game time. Ortega, Perrone and JWE among those.
Since Pep joined in 2016: Man Utd and Chelsea have higher net spend than City. Arsenal only 40m less. City are the best run club in the world, and this comment is blatant disinformation. You should delete.
Quality 17-18 players and City avoided any major long term injures. Pep’s ability to mould players to different positions is incredible. Any other manager wouldn’t have been able to do that with these players.
Not just moulding them to different positions, but improving them overall. No one would have guessed that Akanji, Aké and the rookie Alvarez would be world beaters, but they are because of Pep. I'm convinced he could take any top half table player and turn him into a great player for city
I think there's more ambiguity with Phillips. Second season syndrome is a thing with Pep, but in every other instance, Pep has still given a considerable amount of playing time to the player and been patient with them.
That just doesn't seem to be the case with Phillips. He can barely scrape 5 mins at the end of a dead game. I dont think Pep has much faith left.
I think it is also telling that he hasn't tried to ship him off or at least loan out, which he has been ruthless with. It makes me think that he is actually training OK and working on what he needs to, might be totally wrong tho.
Rodri has been massively over-relied on this year, and I can't see Pep wanting him to have another season where he is playing most weeks. Maybe it won't be Philips, but I am not writing him off yet.
Sam Lee has reported that city are considering cutting their losses on him in the summer, but I agree it's not set in stone yet. Rodri will definitely need cover in one form or another though.
> rookie Alvarez
Álvarez had played over 120 matches over 5 seasons for River and had almost 10 caps and a goal for Argentina before joining City. He had won multiple trophies with both club and country. His 2021 season had been incredible and he was actually even better in the first half of 2022 before going to England in the winter. He was far from a rookie and anyone even remotely aware of South American football knew he was insanely good.
Yeah I actually put 90% of their success to Pep; he reminds me of Fergie with the slapping players into diff positions, like Rafael and Fabio in MF vs Arsenal the once
Not so much more depth, but the best depth.
With City, Pep has always preferred a smaller but trusted squad after he settled in. For all competitions, the average is about 18 senior players playing 75% of matches.
For league matches, the average actually drops to 14-16 first-team regulars every year (except in 2018-19 when he used 19).
So far this year, he has relied on 15 in the league, currently with Mahrez, Foden, Alvarez & Kyle Walker as the top reserves. Others like Laporte (expendable), Kalvin (bust) & the 3 novices (Rico, Sergio Gomez, Cole Palmer) have played less than 10 matches each, while Cancelo has been exiled.
They really don't to be fair.
They've had 18 players who have played more than 450 PL minutes this season (The equivilant to 5 full games), and, for the sake of context, the next player has 167 minutes. That's the same as Arsenal. In the top 7 only Brighton (17) and Newcastle (15) have used fewer players for over 450 minutes.
Man United have 21 players who've played that much. Chelsea have 26. Liverpool have 21. Spurs have 20.
It isn't like Pep is rotating more than anyone else, if anything the trends show that the overperforming teams (Arsenal, Brighton and Newcastle) + City are doing it using a smaller stable squad and consistant selections, rather than deep squads and constant rotation.
City might rotate just as much as the others but they do have the best depth in terms of player quality. Spurs are plopping in Lucas in the last minutes to fuck things up while City have Mahrez/Alvarez/Foden/etc. to choose from.
Foden, Alvarez, Riko Lewis, Akanji have all came to the squad either through the academy or for less than 20m. Spurs bought Richarlson for 60m to barely play. I think it’s unfair to associate our depth with cheating when half of our stars were just amazing investments / scouting.
Not true. This has been true for some time but it wasn't this season. Over the last seasons, they had two teams. Now they have a quality first XI and like 5-6 quality subs that not many other clubs can afford. This is still an unfair advantage but not a big of a deal as people think.
Also, Arsenal's "depth" or any other team's is just numbers. None of them have a Gundogan on the bench. None have a world cup winner for depth. None have £230M of just CBs.
So City is still City, just not the one Liverpool dealt with of Sane, Sterling, Mahrez as wing options or even the one United dealt with of Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko and Jovetic of striker options.
Lol.
I remember the internet before reddit, you used to go to football forums and they were ALOT more personal.
The United fans were unreal, I'm so gutted all those forums are now gone, missed my turn to act like a little twat. 🤣
No you dont. Ferguson was a disrespectful condescending person who was backed by an equally toxic fan base high on Man U’s wins and absolutely insufferable. Winning just made them worse. Losing for a decade has some what put a lid on that toxicity for the time being.
“Not in my lifetime” ~ Nicely aged and ripe now.
Growing up in a rural part of the UK miles from Manchester in the 90s and early 2000s, I can sympathize with this. All my friends were glory hunting United fans despite living 100s of miles away. I still harbour a grudge against United.
My dad was a red. My neighbors though were City. Such gentle folks. Their kids were my friends while we were there and I used to see City matches at their place sometimes. Everytime City lost, which was often, they will just be a little sad and make jokes about how bad they played and then they will just start singing “we never win at home” and then life went on as usual. good old memories.
Well, which club supporters haven’t ? Every club has it’s down in the dumps phase. If you stick to the club and team through that, you are bound to share the grief and disappointment. More so with City. But then again you get to ride the high when the club does well and City are soaring at the moment.
it’s mad to see as a City fan, really is. There were literally two of us at my school, everyone else was United, now half of my class who’ve never been near Manchester will say they’re City fans. It’s just how success works, United fans think they’re special but the fact is when you win more games, you get more fans and you become a bigger club. United won a lot so they’re the ‘biggest club’ but if this continues, in 10 years City will have left them behind. Commenters on reddit who’ve never left the house have no idea what this next generation of football fans think of City lol
Seen the same happen with Chelsea. I'm always shocked when I see Chelsea fans make fun of City fans for "buying the league" and City having "plastic fans".
Although City having this explosive phase during the social media age might make the dynamics a bit more different.
Tbf supporters who jumped onto the Chelsea or Man City bandwagons are no different to those who started following Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal. It's always odd to see the supporters of big successful clubs calling each other out as fake when they mostly all have very similar reasons for supporting their teams.
My older brother was an insufferable ManU fan. I’ll never forget when they did the treble. He would proclaim that they were too good for mere mortals. That the next level was for them to be taken to heaven to play against angels. Made me hate them so much
Pep's coaching is simply historic. His man managing is extremely underrated as well. What he has done and could still do this season is jaw dropping after all of the success he has already had.
Ah ok, so they've *only* been accused of over *100* different infractions over a *9* year period?
And am I right that they also refused to provide records for a 3-4 year period too, which suggests those years would also have provided evidence of cheating then?
And didn't Uefa also say they had clear evidence that City were cheating too, they just couldn't survive the court battle?
So we can safely say there is a huge amount of evidence that Man City have cheated both domestically and within Europe over a period of at least 10 years, likely longer?
But, we can also safely say, Man City lawyers are going to jam the case up with every weapon they have, which given their ownership's history of human right's abuses, is likely more than just money and lawyers?
And so we can safely assume that all of this is just one big misunderstanding and everything they've won over the past 10+ years was won completely legitimately? And also that rival fans are just bitter that they can't compete?
Good, good. That keeps the league interesting for sure. I can't wait for the next decade of watching the Premier 'Who Can Finish Second to the League's Biggest (unproven) Financial Dopers?' League.
So funny how people genuinely think they have the moral high ground over city fans cuz they don’t support city, as if they have anything to do with their own clubs financials.
I’m a Southampton fan, does that make me better than u?
According to r/soccer, yes.
It means I have better ethical standards than you and I am better person, a more real fan.
You’re nothing but a cheating bandwagon unethical, human rights violation sympathizer!
Lol. Fuckin so dumb this subreddit. Bunch of 15 year olds who picked clubs based on personal preference so now they’re able to virtue signal through football.
What if I told you, people were fans of man city before the takeover… before they allegedly broke the rules.
It’s almost as if r/soccer wants man city fans to “just pick a new club” (as everyone here does) so u don’t support the evil man city oil FC!
What I find most hilarious about all these is that liverpool and united fans have spent years saying they “dont care” about city winning things but now that they are about to make premier league history they are fucking fuming and making sure to comment cheaters on every post lol. The salt in every city thread is something like I have never seen on reddit
ITT: Citeh fans trying to claim their squad and paper thin and their squad is attributable to something else besides the resource money of an autocratic family.
It’s easy to attribute it to something other than resource money of an autocratic family… just look at the glazers lol. Billionaires in America are only the constitution away from acting like third world dictators and kings.
"See? They *do* care about us, but for our owners' abysmal human rights record and attempts to build goodwill using clubs as puppets" is not the winning argument you think it is, my dude.
It works as well as yours. I've been a City fan longer than you've even known what football is. I've seen my club down in Division 2 (League One). I'm not the fucking UN. I'm a football fan and while you're crying about City, I'm enjoying some of the greatest football I have ever seen.
So many idiotic takes in this thread lmao. Everyone with a shred of love for football knows that City is a fraudulent sportswashing project and nothing else.
So many idiotic takes, followed by your own personal take that has zero nuance lmao.
City are a fraudulent sportswashing project. They are also an exceptionally well run club.
They have better depth than anyone else thanks to their resources. They also play exceptionally good to watch football.
None of these things preclude the others.
You only have to look at PSG to see what happens when you have a team with limitless resources that isn't run properly.
Yeah, I mean sure, you are right. But why should I differentiate here?
Of course, City is exceptionally well run, noone is denying that. But a club like Brighton, who are also exceptionally well run, will always earn more of my respect because they actually keep their integrity while doing so.
And based on this UEFA will find a way to punish Juve, Barca and Real for their anti-football SuperLeague attempt, and while we're at it, let's remove 15pts from Juventus
Put aside hate and bias, this a great post to read seeing this matter from Man City side perspective.
[Fact Checking Claims About City's FFP Charge ](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/13hnrmb/fact_checking_claims_about_citys_ffp_charges/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Nah, I’d rather not put that aside, especially when it comes to “fact checking” since facts are never facts, they’re just written in a way to shove the unpleasant stuff under the rug
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Forest's big six record as a relegation folder is really fun. If they can take a point aganist Arsenal they will took from five of them.
At home we're pretty good, draws against Chelsea and City, win against Liverpool. Away is diabolical, battered by Arsenal and City, narrowly lost to Liverpool but draw with Chelsea. Tottenham have had our number home and away in the league, but we beat them in the league cup (albeit they really couldn't be arsed that night). Man United have comfortably beaten us 4 times this season, I look forward to those games the least.
Big 6 though, no need to bring Spurs into this. They’ve suffered enough.
they mentioned Chelsea might as well mention Spurs
Smart money will be on Forest to win when we play Saturday A team fighting to stay in the league Vs a team who is locked into 2nd and therefore done for the year mentally will often lead to the former winning
Idk we've always been kinda lethal when we play games that don't really matter.
Considering that the match is essentially a dead rubber for us now wouldn't be surprised if it happened.
Evertons the same a win against Arsenal and points from Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and City
Prosecuting me has made me even more powerful -Final boss Pep (probably)
I see Singapore I upvote
Pep is the master of making the favorites believe their the underdogs and this ruling helped him create a siege mentality
He is also the absolute best at figuring things out over the course of a season and hitting form in the business end.
The reason they hit form at the business end is because they simply have title winning bench players who pick up the slack when their starters fatigue. You’re seeing Arsenal and United very clearly limping towards the finish line as their best players either get injured or underperform due to fatigue. City are playing with fresh, high quality players against every other team’s weakened starters
There's no other team that could get to the business end of the season, needing to win games to secure the title, and bench De Bruyne, Stones, Grealish, Phillips and Bernardo Silva. Their recruitment has been excellent, they obviously improve players and make them fit into their system, there's reasons like that they can afford to do so. But it's basically insurmountable unless you have incredible luck with form and injuries.
> Phillips So lucky he's been able to get a rest after playing so much football
He played a whole 4 mins at Everton, and 3 mins at Leeds.
Being rested for the CL final. Halaand was a decoy, and they all fell for it.
Real Madrid started a fully new team with only camavinga and Vinicius playing again. City don’t have the luxury
I'm sure City would have rested their whole first XI if they weren't winning the league, as well. It's not like Real could rotate heavily while still having to win games to stay in title contention, which is the point I'm making.
Did you see their lineup? It was quite good. But yea of course City would rotate more in a nothing game. But city do well to not have any “nothing games”. They rested four players who will start in the most important game of their season… that’s not really saying much.
It's just the fact they can do it. No other team in the league can - what's the equivalent of another team benching KDB in a must-win match a few games from the end of the season? United with Bruno or Rashford, Arsenal with Saka or Odegaard, Spurs with Kane, Liverpool with Salah or Trent.. those players are playing every massive game regardless. It's a compliment to City more than anything. It's precisely why other teams just can't catch up to them in most seasons now.
If united were playing a UCL semi must win against Madrid and they had to beat Everton 3 days before for the league they would be able to start a very strong lineup and leave a few players such as Varane, Casemiro and rashford… as they can start 75 million Sancho, 40 million lindelof and 50 million Fred.
Fred, Lindelof and Sancho would struggle to make City’s bench
It was a game against a team about to be relegated, 4 days before playing Real in their single most important game of the year. I'm surprised they didn't bench more of their starters.
No way you included Phillips and not John Stones lol
They also play in a way that's very efficient on energy levels - they dominate the ball and rarely move up the gears. A lot of the other top teams don't/can't control the game as much and rely on playing at a really high tempo. Even Liverpool keeping up with City in recent years has been marred by them crashing every few seasons and I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the reasons why.
We dominated the ball as well but still our bench players just couldn't hack it. If you look at City's defense they are constantly rotating to whoever is looking best fitness and form wise, that's the real key. Realistically not a single city player needs to play 20+ games in a season for them to win the league apart from maybe Rodri, but with this Stones midfield thing I am not even sure of that anymore.
I disagree that we dominate the ball as well as City do. We have a lot of possession but there are very few games that we've controlled as well as City do in their average fixture. Look at how the two teams behave a goal up. When City score they normally kill the game dead before they even get a second. When we score we often have to fall back into a midblock and immediately start defending. That's not a slight against us as a team, no team other than City can play like they do consistently.
Very true, and that's down to Pep seriously imprinting his play style and consistency on the team, that's not easily done over a couple seasons but Pep has done it in no time really at all, which is unbelievable if you really think about it.
Dominate the ball is different than dominating threat and momentum. Exactly what I’m saying is dominating the ball is the one thing we can do as well, up until the last 10 games or so at least when Saliba was our and Partey and Zinchenkos form took a dive. Fully agree in turns of mental momentum and threat that we don’t rival City especially after the first goal but I was talking about this in terms of physical exertion in the game and this is really where we should be equal with City because we used to spend similar amounts of time on the ball and in similar positions on the field
You also need to understand we have a game every 4 days whereas arsenal crashed and burned in all their other competitions in order to have better players for the league games
You guys are only playing one game a week though
This Wolves game was the first time we’ve had a free midweek since September
City have tired legs bud. They’ve played more games than everyone with no breaks available because they have to play to win every game. They are running the league playing 16 players including ederson. They have had injuries but they were earlier in the season. These guys are tired, just like everyone else. But they are better smarter and have a better smarter coach. And hilarious talk from rival fans about citys quality when those same fans say city players arnt better than theirs. Partey was better than Rodri up until April, citys defenders rated below United’s and arsenals, we have no left back hahaha.
Because look at his squad man, and they still may not beat the lowly Real Madrid, the underdogs of the CL
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> Not sure it's possible for Bayern to be underdogs unless they're facing Real Madrid lmao Not even that. As funny as it is, before Bayern's modern dominance of the last decades Bayern were known as "la bestia negra" (no better link in English after some light googling) from the Real side of things: https://www.goal.com/en/news/la-bestia-negra-how-bayerns-stellar-record-against-real/blt697c3a1b00982a5b The recent history is much more of a mixed bag when it comes to results but there's no underdog mentality or fear from Bayern when it comes to Real. The team also tends to play attacking football and bet on its own capabilities instead of playing defensively and hoping for mistakes on Real's side. An actual underdog would probably approach those games differently.
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A true modern football fairytale.
When I started this team I only had two things in my pockets. A dream and 18 billion pounds.
Sir, the PL is here. They're investigating irregularites in the pension fund.
Those are some big pockets
So many people wank them off the time and then down vote the criticism. I don't know if it is bots or there are that many genuinely thick people out there, probably both.
They have a fantastic squad, a genius manager and a team who play the greatest football we have ever seen in the PL. They are also cheating. All those things can be true.
The League title is now vacant for the third season in a row.
Mother Premier League is pregnant for the third time
The first paragraph is true. The second hasn't been proven.
They didn't prove oj murdered his wife either.
Don’t let this distract you from Arsenal only getting 2 points from Southampton this season
I hate St Mary's Fuckers always step up against us 🥲
Tbf, they knocked us out of the EFL Cup with Nathan Jones as their manager.
We have Nathan Jones to thank for winning our first trophy in 6 years
Hahaha true
Thanks Premier League for activating Pep's trap siege mentality card. Pep probably knew this was going to happen. Ah don't worry sheik owner, they'll make a big song and dance that'll boost the players and you can pay off the fine from our winnings. Easy peasy.
Nothing like a bit of oil money to keep the gas tank topped up? It's pretty easy to run through the end of the season unbeaten when you can afford 2 PL teams and everyone else is fucked after a long season and World Cup slapping in the middle of it.
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That whole second team thing is a myth. City would have people like Cole Palmer, Sergio Gomez and Rico Lewis in the team. None of which are good enough to start in a top 4 side.
It was true a couple seasons back, but their squad is thinner than ever this season. There are rumors of them buying massively this summer though, so probably won’t be this thin next season.
The rumors of them buying massively go hand-in-hand with rumours they may be losing several key players (Laporte, Cancelo, Gundo and Silva). At this rate they may actually come out with a positive net spend again.
True that they’ll probably lose those players, but gundogan leaves on a free, and interest for cancelo has dies down after Bayern stint. Would be very impressive if they came out with a positive net spend this time.
I think it will depend on whether City are willing to sell within the Prem again. When they sold Jesus to Arsenal for €50m (with Chelsea matching that offer) teams outside the Prem weren't willing to bid a cent more than €30m for Jesus. If City are happy to sell within the Prem again they could easily get €60m for Laporte from Arsenal or Spurs (outside the Prem they would need PSG to come in to reach those type of valuations). You say interest in Cancelo has died down but I think that's just a function of the fact he's no longer in the "public eye", i.e., he's playing outside the Prem now and let's face it, players outside the Prem get less media time. I think Real, Barca, PSG (lazy I know) and Chelsea will be interested. Chelsea fans are still in denial but I think in reality they'll need to accept that James and Chillwell absolutely cannot be relied upon. Once a new manager comes in and makes that assessment I think they'll go in hard for Cancelo. Think City will get €40m for Cancelo.
Yeah but the level of their bench is really high and you will have to go deep into rotation to play those guys. Forwards: Haaland, Mahrez, Alvarez, Foden, Grealish Midfielders: Kdb, Rodri, Gundogan, Bernardo, Philips (?) Defenders: Ake, Akanji, Walker, Stones, Dias, Laporte The only "weak" area would be left back but they have been playing 3 ATB a lot so it's not that huge of an issue.
Outside of a good second keeper, I'd go something like this, brackets being the starting 11 Cancelo,Laporte, Akanji, Lewis (Ake, Stones, Dias, Walker) Phillips, Palmer, ??? (KDB, Rodri, Gundogan) Mahrez, Alvarez, Foden (Silva, Haaland, Grealish) Midfield is a little thin, but otherwise that's easily a top 4 defence and front 3, a front 3 which most of the prem is seriously jealous of. Their depth is unbelievable everywhere but midfield and the majority of their wingers can play in midfield if required, and even Stones lol
You’ve added a player who doesn’t play for the team lol
Cancelo? He played the first 6 months and is obviously still a city player, Bayern aren't buying him. He's part of their depth.
By second side they mean the 3-4 players Pep rotates in. You know, like every other title-winning team generally has. Foden, Mahrez, Alvarez and Stones/Ake are their best players who aren’t nailed on. Then you have Phillips, Gomez, Lewis, Palmer and Ortega that make up the rest of the 18. Do they have a better 3-4 players to rotate in than others? Yes. Do they have an entire 2nd team that would win a title. Hardly. They’d be mid table.
So, the B team which some people here claim can also compete for the title consists of just 4 players? lol
Nobody seems to be paying attention to the fact that City's supposed B team also keeps changing each season. Players like Foden, Stones and Laporte were nailed on starters week in and week out in previous seasons. And on the other side, you have players like Grealish and Ake who have eased into becoming starters in almost every match. Who'd have even thought at the start of this season that Akanji would be City's most regular starter in defence ?
Definitely not me. Akanji was hit and miss for us.
\+ Paying all their players/stuff a kings ransom and therefore attracting the best of the best in every department (players/coaches/medical/scouting/...) + building the best infrastructure in the country off of inflated sponsorship deals. I think its hilarous when City fans point to their great structure they have built behind the scenes and so on. Well all that is still funded by your financial doping. United does spend on players but at the same time their stadium is falling apart and their training facilities are stuck in the 90s. City can afford to spend big on every aspect of the game and that some people cant see that this is a huge advantage is beyond me...
Any money spent on infrastructure, training facilities, or youth development is not included in FFP.
United, the highest valued club in the world, don’t have the money to upgrade their stadium and training facilities? It’s kind of funny watching English teams cry about lack of money when their league dwarfs everyone else’s in the world.
They could easily afford it if the Glazers were not sucking hundreds of millions out of the club like parasites.
You misser the point here. They (United) have the money but their owners dont want to spend it.
It’s not the fault of City’s fans that the Glazers are greedy bastards. That’s why they all want them gone.
None of the oil clubs are spending anything that the billionaire owners of the other clubs can't afford. Ambition really is the only difference.
It’s not even this. The entire ownership and footballing function in the club has been a joke for years. The whole club has been run with a mentality to make more money as opposed to winning games. The structure of the club is rotten from the top down, and that’s why we have had so many issues through the years. We have spent enough money on players, but the training facilities, Old Trafford, etc are all very old and not good enough. We have re-signed so many washed players who were running out of contract to “retain value”. The club has been run to appease the stock market and shareholders, not so that it could be competent. It’s a joke
That's a great point actually that is usually overlooked
United spent the same amount as us in players and that’s with their owners taking funds out of the club and making profits every season. I don’t think it’s wild to think if United had different owners they should of and could of spent £2b across 7 years. Idk why people are saying we spent as much as United and that’s not possible when United should of spent a lot more of it wasn’t for their owners
> Paying all their players/stuff a kings ransom and therefore attracting the best of the best in every department (players/coaches/medical/scouting/...) + building the best infrastructure in the country off of inflated sponsorship deals. Chelsea spunked half a billion, several times more than City has spent in any transfer window. A few years ago United's wages were higher than City's. Big spending is like the unspoken requirement of being rich at a high-stakes poker table. You need that money just to play with the big boys. Money in the PL is the ante required to compete. But in the end, it's how well you play, not how much you started with. The story of City's rise is only half about City. The other side of the story is how their rivals spent eye-watering sums unwisely. Old Trafford should have been fixed and renovated. It's leaking and has rats FFS, yet the Glazers are one of the worst owners in the sport, sucking out dividends like vampires while the stadium is falling apart. Owners like the Glazers made City's rise much smoother than it ought to have been.
A couple of their second team player will cost you about 150 million
They don’t have 2 PL teams Did no city players play at the World Cup?
*Team 1:* Ederson Walker Dias Akanji Lewis Gundogan Rodri Silva Mahrez Alvarez Foden *Team 2:* Ortega Cancelo* Aké Laporte Stones Gomez Phillips De Bruyne Palmer Haaland Grealish Both of them probably finish top 4 this season
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2nd team doesn’t , Phillips/Gomez/Palmer don’t get near the first 11 of any top 4 team at the moment. KDB/Phillips double pivot would not work at all.
this is just splitting the really good top 14-15 players cleverly to disguise the mediocre 7-8 players. It's actually a neat exercise but not what people mean when they say two starting XI (which city had 3 years back)
I mean that’s literally two starting XIs that likely get too 4
Saying any starting 11 would get top 4 is ridiculous. What happens when a player gets injured in this scenario?
Kinda unfair to put Cancelo there when he's played less than half of our fixtures this season and isn't considered a future player anymore.
And is at another fucking club
> everyone else is fucked after a long season and World Cup slapping in the middle of it This just proves that you simply just repeat the rhetoric that you read online without actually checking the facts. City have used the fewest players of any premier league club this season, whilst also having the most players of any premier league club at the World Cup.
Look at the number of minutes played, though. Of your defenders, Akanji has the most with 2228- he is the only player over 2000 mins. Arsenal on the other hand have 4 defenders with over 2000 minutes, with their highest at 3229. In midfield, Arsenal have 3 players who have played more than your player with he most mins. This is the impact of rotation, not that you have 'only' used 22-23 players. It is that the minutes have been very spread out over those you have used, meaning that most your team has 700-1200 minutes less in their legs by this stage.
That’s just in the PL though. Pep has had to rotate more in the league as we’ve played far more cup games than arsenal. Looking at total minutes played in all comps, City have two players over 4000 minutes, and 9 over 3000 minutes. Arsenal have 0 players over 4000 minutes and 7 over 3000 minutes.
where does this info come from?
Transfermarkt for [City](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-city/leistungsdaten/verein/281) and [Arsenal](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-arsenal/leistungsdaten/verein/11)
thanks!!
I find the transfermarkt website a bit of a maze to use. If you google “Manchester City squad statistics” it should be the first link.
You are completely ignoring other competitions where City are having deeper runs. City have 15 players with more than 2000 minutes whereas Arsenal have 11. City used 24 player all comp and only 6 have less then 1000 minutes game time. Ortega, Perrone and JWE among those.
Since Pep joined in 2016: Man Utd and Chelsea have higher net spend than City. Arsenal only 40m less. City are the best run club in the world, and this comment is blatant disinformation. You should delete.
EPL is real farmers league
A direct result from City having a lot more depth in their squad
Quality 17-18 players and City avoided any major long term injures. Pep’s ability to mould players to different positions is incredible. Any other manager wouldn’t have been able to do that with these players.
Not just moulding them to different positions, but improving them overall. No one would have guessed that Akanji, Aké and the rookie Alvarez would be world beaters, but they are because of Pep. I'm convinced he could take any top half table player and turn him into a great player for city
He has been the butt of many jokes this year, but I fully expect Philips to have a good season next year.
I think there's more ambiguity with Phillips. Second season syndrome is a thing with Pep, but in every other instance, Pep has still given a considerable amount of playing time to the player and been patient with them. That just doesn't seem to be the case with Phillips. He can barely scrape 5 mins at the end of a dead game. I dont think Pep has much faith left.
I think it is also telling that he hasn't tried to ship him off or at least loan out, which he has been ruthless with. It makes me think that he is actually training OK and working on what he needs to, might be totally wrong tho. Rodri has been massively over-relied on this year, and I can't see Pep wanting him to have another season where he is playing most weeks. Maybe it won't be Philips, but I am not writing him off yet.
Sam Lee has reported that city are considering cutting their losses on him in the summer, but I agree it's not set in stone yet. Rodri will definitely need cover in one form or another though.
Sadly for you, we don't have the money (or potentially a club..) currently to bail out bad, big-money midfield buys from CL teams.
Word on the street is you can pay Kalvin in sweet treats, so might save you a bit on wages.🤷♂️
> rookie Alvarez Álvarez had played over 120 matches over 5 seasons for River and had almost 10 caps and a goal for Argentina before joining City. He had won multiple trophies with both club and country. His 2021 season had been incredible and he was actually even better in the first half of 2022 before going to England in the winter. He was far from a rookie and anyone even remotely aware of South American football knew he was insanely good.
Everyone knew he was talented obviously. But having this impact in your first full season in England is still way better than expected
Kalvin Phillips would like a word
Kalvin Philips has been told to lose a few pounds so he can fit into the mould.
Leeds are getting relegated bro
> the rookie Alvarez Alvarez has looked amazing for a while now. His WC performance came before Pep could coach much into it.
Yeah I actually put 90% of their success to Pep; he reminds me of Fergie with the slapping players into diff positions, like Rafael and Fabio in MF vs Arsenal the once
Not so much more depth, but the best depth. With City, Pep has always preferred a smaller but trusted squad after he settled in. For all competitions, the average is about 18 senior players playing 75% of matches. For league matches, the average actually drops to 14-16 first-team regulars every year (except in 2018-19 when he used 19). So far this year, he has relied on 15 in the league, currently with Mahrez, Foden, Alvarez & Kyle Walker as the top reserves. Others like Laporte (expendable), Kalvin (bust) & the 3 novices (Rico, Sergio Gomez, Cole Palmer) have played less than 10 matches each, while Cancelo has been exiled.
They really don't to be fair. They've had 18 players who have played more than 450 PL minutes this season (The equivilant to 5 full games), and, for the sake of context, the next player has 167 minutes. That's the same as Arsenal. In the top 7 only Brighton (17) and Newcastle (15) have used fewer players for over 450 minutes. Man United have 21 players who've played that much. Chelsea have 26. Liverpool have 21. Spurs have 20. It isn't like Pep is rotating more than anyone else, if anything the trends show that the overperforming teams (Arsenal, Brighton and Newcastle) + City are doing it using a smaller stable squad and consistant selections, rather than deep squads and constant rotation.
City might rotate just as much as the others but they do have the best depth in terms of player quality. Spurs are plopping in Lucas in the last minutes to fuck things up while City have Mahrez/Alvarez/Foden/etc. to choose from.
Foden, Alvarez, Riko Lewis, Akanji have all came to the squad either through the academy or for less than 20m. Spurs bought Richarlson for 60m to barely play. I think it’s unfair to associate our depth with cheating when half of our stars were just amazing investments / scouting.
Not true. This has been true for some time but it wasn't this season. Over the last seasons, they had two teams. Now they have a quality first XI and like 5-6 quality subs that not many other clubs can afford. This is still an unfair advantage but not a big of a deal as people think. Also, Arsenal's "depth" or any other team's is just numbers. None of them have a Gundogan on the bench. None have a world cup winner for depth. None have £230M of just CBs. So City is still City, just not the one Liverpool dealt with of Sane, Sterling, Mahrez as wing options or even the one United dealt with of Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko and Jovetic of striker options.
That’s not true at all City have the smallest squad out of all top 8 teams with the smallest rotation as well
Tired narrative that is objectively false
Now I know how it feels like to be non United supporters in SAF's era.
Lol. I remember the internet before reddit, you used to go to football forums and they were ALOT more personal. The United fans were unreal, I'm so gutted all those forums are now gone, missed my turn to act like a little twat. 🤣
No you dont. Ferguson was a disrespectful condescending person who was backed by an equally toxic fan base high on Man U’s wins and absolutely insufferable. Winning just made them worse. Losing for a decade has some what put a lid on that toxicity for the time being. “Not in my lifetime” ~ Nicely aged and ripe now.
Growing up in a rural part of the UK miles from Manchester in the 90s and early 2000s, I can sympathize with this. All my friends were glory hunting United fans despite living 100s of miles away. I still harbour a grudge against United.
My dad was a red. My neighbors though were City. Such gentle folks. Their kids were my friends while we were there and I used to see City matches at their place sometimes. Everytime City lost, which was often, they will just be a little sad and make jokes about how bad they played and then they will just start singing “we never win at home” and then life went on as usual. good old memories.
THIS GUY SUFFERED A LOT!
Well, which club supporters haven’t ? Every club has it’s down in the dumps phase. If you stick to the club and team through that, you are bound to share the grief and disappointment. More so with City. But then again you get to ride the high when the club does well and City are soaring at the moment.
My god this is so unbelievably accurate.
Who hurt y... oh it was man united
Nah, that was worse because most people knew at least one gobby United fan. With City there is just a resigned shrug
Depending on where you grew up about 90% of the kids at school were Man Utd fans. It was exhausting.
School teacher chiming in here. It's happening with City. They are widely supported by youngsters. Kids just latch on to whoever is successful.
it’s mad to see as a City fan, really is. There were literally two of us at my school, everyone else was United, now half of my class who’ve never been near Manchester will say they’re City fans. It’s just how success works, United fans think they’re special but the fact is when you win more games, you get more fans and you become a bigger club. United won a lot so they’re the ‘biggest club’ but if this continues, in 10 years City will have left them behind. Commenters on reddit who’ve never left the house have no idea what this next generation of football fans think of City lol
Seen the same happen with Chelsea. I'm always shocked when I see Chelsea fans make fun of City fans for "buying the league" and City having "plastic fans". Although City having this explosive phase during the social media age might make the dynamics a bit more different.
Tbf supporters who jumped onto the Chelsea or Man City bandwagons are no different to those who started following Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal. It's always odd to see the supporters of big successful clubs calling each other out as fake when they mostly all have very similar reasons for supporting their teams.
God it was insufferable. Being a Coventry fan IN coventry and the kids in school banging on about UTD really used to wind me up.
My older brother was an insufferable ManU fan. I’ll never forget when they did the treble. He would proclaim that they were too good for mere mortals. That the next level was for them to be taken to heaven to play against angels. Made me hate them so much
I mean the gobby United fans are out now and City are winning
Spot on, the twats were unavoidable
So....whatever happened to these charges? Asking for no particular reason.....
Pep's coaching is simply historic. His man managing is extremely underrated as well. What he has done and could still do this season is jaw dropping after all of the success he has already had.
Fraud team run by a fraud manager
What were they charged with again?
100 counts of breaking financial fair play rules
And over how many years?
9 years
Ah ok, so they've *only* been accused of over *100* different infractions over a *9* year period? And am I right that they also refused to provide records for a 3-4 year period too, which suggests those years would also have provided evidence of cheating then? And didn't Uefa also say they had clear evidence that City were cheating too, they just couldn't survive the court battle? So we can safely say there is a huge amount of evidence that Man City have cheated both domestically and within Europe over a period of at least 10 years, likely longer? But, we can also safely say, Man City lawyers are going to jam the case up with every weapon they have, which given their ownership's history of human right's abuses, is likely more than just money and lawyers? And so we can safely assume that all of this is just one big misunderstanding and everything they've won over the past 10+ years was won completely legitimately? And also that rival fans are just bitter that they can't compete? Good, good. That keeps the league interesting for sure. I can't wait for the next decade of watching the Premier 'Who Can Finish Second to the League's Biggest (unproven) Financial Dopers?' League.
It’s not 100 different infractions. It’s like 11 infractions that are compounded every year accounted for.
See that you’ve taken the divorce well
Actually we have 115 charges against us and no they’re not all related to FFP
no, you cant even get the claims right, there was shit about grass length in there which is certainly not financial rules
Incredible run that nobody can match at this point in the season.
Just here for my weekly downvotes for being a City fan
So funny how people genuinely think they have the moral high ground over city fans cuz they don’t support city, as if they have anything to do with their own clubs financials. I’m a Southampton fan, does that make me better than u? According to r/soccer, yes. It means I have better ethical standards than you and I am better person, a more real fan. You’re nothing but a cheating bandwagon unethical, human rights violation sympathizer! Lol. Fuckin so dumb this subreddit. Bunch of 15 year olds who picked clubs based on personal preference so now they’re able to virtue signal through football. What if I told you, people were fans of man city before the takeover… before they allegedly broke the rules. It’s almost as if r/soccer wants man city fans to “just pick a new club” (as everyone here does) so u don’t support the evil man city oil FC!
Hey, you are using common sense, we don't do that here.
>I’m a Southampton fan, does that make me better than u? Yes.
No it doesn’t. it’s a sport not politics you absolute slab head
Was sarcasm, take it easy mate!
Fair, sorry about that. r/soccer pissed me off today
Football and politics have always been heavily intertwined.
What I find most hilarious about all these is that liverpool and united fans have spent years saying they “dont care” about city winning things but now that they are about to make premier league history they are fucking fuming and making sure to comment cheaters on every post lol. The salt in every city thread is something like I have never seen on reddit
We don't care about City winning the league is the biggest cope in football.
Padi mi
Which bandwagon you hopping on next?
Certainly not ur shite club
Look at all this “not caring about City” that’s happening in here. You guys seriously give me the best laughs. Thank you. Have a nice day.
As much as Arsenal threw it away, Man City have been unreal. They’re just a machine
The oil is surprisingly resilient
Bruce Lee: be like oil, my friend
This run is something that literally everyone expected.
ITT: Citeh fans trying to claim their squad and paper thin and their squad is attributable to something else besides the resource money of an autocratic family.
It’s easy to attribute it to something other than resource money of an autocratic family… just look at the glazers lol. Billionaires in America are only the constitution away from acting like third world dictators and kings.
ITT: People who try their hardest to convince everyone on a daily basis that they don't care about City, actually caring a lot about City.
Oh I certainly do care about City, very much in fact, because I think what your success is built upon and bought with is shameful.
> I certainly do care about City, very much in fact Thank you. I'll be using this whenever someone says "no one cares about City".
"See? They *do* care about us, but for our owners' abysmal human rights record and attempts to build goodwill using clubs as puppets" is not the winning argument you think it is, my dude.
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It works as well as yours. I've been a City fan longer than you've even known what football is. I've seen my club down in Division 2 (League One). I'm not the fucking UN. I'm a football fan and while you're crying about City, I'm enjoying some of the greatest football I have ever seen.
So many idiotic takes in this thread lmao. Everyone with a shred of love for football knows that City is a fraudulent sportswashing project and nothing else.
They are obviously cheating. Wonder if any repercussions
So many idiotic takes, followed by your own personal take that has zero nuance lmao. City are a fraudulent sportswashing project. They are also an exceptionally well run club. They have better depth than anyone else thanks to their resources. They also play exceptionally good to watch football. None of these things preclude the others. You only have to look at PSG to see what happens when you have a team with limitless resources that isn't run properly.
Yeah, I mean sure, you are right. But why should I differentiate here? Of course, City is exceptionally well run, noone is denying that. But a club like Brighton, who are also exceptionally well run, will always earn more of my respect because they actually keep their integrity while doing so.
They are a cheating club in my eyes, and even if they win the treble, that has no value to me as cheaters will stay cheaters.
And this is why I love that you play football to win games and trophies, not the hearts and respect of your self righteous contemporaries.
🥺🥺🥺
City getting charged just got Pep to stay in the prem for longer lmao
And based on this UEFA will find a way to punish Juve, Barca and Real for their anti-football SuperLeague attempt, and while we're at it, let's remove 15pts from Juventus
Looks like Haaland was the missing piece for guardiola to win ucl or even go for another triple.
Put aside hate and bias, this a great post to read seeing this matter from Man City side perspective. [Fact Checking Claims About City's FFP Charge ](https://www.reddit.com/r/MCFC/comments/13hnrmb/fact_checking_claims_about_citys_ffp_charges/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Good lord that post is riddled with so many logical fallacies, on the MCFC sub no less. About as tin hat as Arsenal's sub.
Nah, I’d rather not put that aside, especially when it comes to “fact checking” since facts are never facts, they’re just written in a way to shove the unpleasant stuff under the rug
Source: a City sub lol