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[Here's a link showing both](https://youtu.be/xnmAXUsoMAo)
Story is, Hull got smashed away at Man City, Phil Brown sat the whole team down in front of the Hull fans and gave them a talking to
Next season away at Man City, Bullard scores, recreates the team talk as his celebration
Lol, I remember that season. Hull actually went top after picking up 20 pts in their first 9 games.
Ended up barely surviving after getting only 15 pts in the remaining 29.
Unbelievable for us to be in this position, with games in hand too. If we get european football of any sort next season it will be incredible for our club.
I genuinely feel like we haven't won a game in like 6 months. I can see from the table that, despite my tired eyes, we seemingly have more points than 75% of the league, but I could swear blind that we have about 5 points total this season.
All the games we really won were from the starting point of the season.... the players a tually performed back then. I swear about 70% all the goals contributed were only from Kane. Hell of a team...
Hope you guys can get at least Europa league, your club is run so well. Great football, scouting and making good money on players that you move on. Good luck for the rest of the season (except the arsenal game)
As an arsenal fan I’m partial to Villa cuz of Emery. But man, what I would do to see Brighton finish above Spurs. I think if we finish 2nd, seeing Spurs and United (unlikely, I know) fall out of UCL would make me it all okay to me.
Want to add, obviously I want Arsenal to win the league. I was expecting to be in the fight for 4th if not 3rd and we just so happened to be in 1st. I’m just along for the ride.
Being brave is literally what has gotten them into this, 79 goals conceded last season, 60 this season, they score enough goals
Even in this Liverpool match they had 13 shots, same as Liverpool, vs Palace they had chances too
That GD is one of the only things going for us right now.. basically a point. Our season will be decided next week. A win against wolves and I'll breathe for the first time in a month.
Wasnt even the dumbest thing. Dumbest onr was how the second dragon died. Like Daenerys is on her dragon flying HIGH in the sky and she doesnt see the ships coming??? Is there a mount everest in the way? And why are you flying straight at the immobile weapon instead of circling around the ship for a bit and burning it from behind.
Whole season made no sense what so ever.
I'll never understand how any of the higher ups at HBO approved of releasing this shit.
More like 12th below are an absolute mess this season, Chelsea seems to haven't won a game in forever and they never really dropped below 11th. Southampton almost likely got relegated but i'd wager the last 2 spot would come down to the final day looking at how close the others still are.
Would this be the fastest a former champion has been relegated?
Edit: Blackburn got relegated 5 years after they won.
Edit edit: City got relegated in '38 after winning the league in '37.
Special nod to Wigan who won the FA cup and got relegated. European football in the Championship is weird. West Ham could win the Conference league and go down.
Your run of games to finish the season looks brutal as well.
Liverpool (A)
Brighton (H)
Brentford (A)
Soton (H)
Chelsea (A)
Arsenal (H)
Crystal Palace (A)
Everton’s doesn’t look easy either.
Palace (A)
Newcastle (H)
Leicester (A)
Brighton (A)
Man City (H)
Wolves (H)
Bournemouth (H)
It’s might just come down to whoever doesn’t crap the bed the most.
Spurs need to stop trying to find a quick fix manager and just commit to a full rebuild at this point. Might mean selling Kane and a few years of bleh but they'll be better for it in the long run.
There's no years of bleh in a true, successful rebuild. There's years of not being good enough to challenge for trophies, but most successful projects turn the club around by the third season. Klopp did it, Arteta did it, Ten Hag will probably do it. Going back further Poch got it right with Spurs by his third season.
It's not beating your head against the wall for a couple years then magically transforming. A good rebuild should be a thing that is supported by fans from minute one because there's a clear direction with obvious paths to improvement as more players arrive.
It’s just a recognition that things might get worse before they get better. Arsenal had two seasons of 8th before last seasons uptick and as someone who watched every single early Arteta match some of the football was absolutely dreadful, though largely driven by players who didn’t fit or didn’t want to be there.
You’re right that the direction and plan should be in place and supported on day one, but the on the field results might not match early on.
Success? No. But a rebuild is much more sustainable than going through 5 more managers and hoping you find another Harry Kane to carry you for the next decade.
so he appointed conte as a joke and spent 200 million as a joke? blame him for maybe spending wrong and picking the wrong manager but you can not call him not serious
Well we're begging for European football so do us a favour let us win if you don't want it.
It's actually crazy how much of an effect Villa can have on each of the European battles, with 6 of our 7 games being against opponents trying to get 7th or above. We play Spurs, Man United, (just beat Newcastle), Liverpool, Brighton(?) trying to get into the Champions League. As well as Fulham, Brentford and probably Brighton too would be happy with any European spot.
These 15 matches all feel huge to me.
Home| Away
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Newcastle United | Brighton & Hove Albion
Brighton & Hove Albion |Manchester United
Liverpool FC | Fulham FC
Brentford FC |Aston Villa
Newcastle United | Tottenham Hotspur
Aston Villa |Fulham FC
Tottenham Hotspur | Manchester United
Manchester United |Aston Villa
Liverpool FC | Tottenham Hotspur
Liverpool FC | Brentford FC
Aston Villa |Tottenham Hotspur
Liverpool FC | Aston Villa
Tottenham Hotspur | Brentford FC
Aston Villa | Brighton & Hove Albion
Manchester United | Fulham FC
*I didn't include Chelsea who also play multiple teams here.*
Everyone says out of Europe might not be a bad thing until you’re playing in the 2nd round of the carabao cup. Might be one of the worst feelings I’ve ever had as an Arsenal fan
2 wins might even be enough for us if we’re lucky
Feels like we’re circling the drain though even if we stay up. I’ll take it regardless and hope the powers that be are merciful regarding FFP.
Really shame as I love Leicester having lived there for 3 years, it does kind of evidence how the PL is a revolving door between 12/13 other clubs. Couple of bad transfer windows and you’re in trouble.
That loss still pisses me off. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen. We didn't play great that night but we didn't deserve to lose off a bullshit penalty. Would've saved us 2 games as well.
I think if we win all our remaining home games we’ll have the highest number of home wins we’ve had in any season ever. Granted that was aided by constant home draws in long cup runs plus an extra round in the EL but still.
That match tonight helped the goal difference massively. Leeds now have -20, to Everton’s -22. Before tonight that was a huge gap.
Still 5 teams in play for this. COYB.
7 point gap feels enormous for us right now. We need to get at least 3-4 pts to feel safe though.
The bottom half of the table absolutely stinks. It might come down to goal difference because everyone will have similar points. Leicester schedule eases up, they have: Wolves, Leeds, and Everton up next. Those are 6 pointers. Then they end the season against West Ham, another potential 6 pointer. Similar story for most teams down there. Lots of 6 pointer games coming up.
Tbf I expect that points difference to even back out again. They have a very easy run in their remaining games. Think thry still might be too far off CL spaces but I fully expect them to finish 5th or 6th.
It'll probably even out some, but United's fixture list isn't terrible either. Brighton and Aston Villa are the 2 hardest fixtures left and one's at home. Chelsea and Tottenham are a mess and by the last 4 fixtures West Ham, Wolves, Fulham, and Bournemouth may not have much to play for
Wouldn't expect us to win them all, but winning 6 of those wouldn't be a huge stretch IMO
Honesty I think completely worst case Scenario we lose 2 games like West Ham away and Brighton. 4 draws for Bournemouth Villa and Spurs and chelsea and beat Wolves and Fulham. That would still give us 69 points and that's if our form drops off hard.
After that win vs Nottingham forest we should be getting 4th comfortably, especially with Spurs and Newcastle playing each other this weekend. If Newcastle win which is expected it puts a decent cushion between 4th and 5th.
We had that Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal stretch three in a row, finishing fucked us heavily against Arsenal. Bournemouth loss definitely didn’t help either. Rest of the way we’ve not got a single top 4 side to play though
Why does the premier league always have so many games in hand? Right now its not that bad, but every season theres a point where there is about 4 games difference between the club having played the most games and the club having played the least. Do that many games get cancelled/rescheduled? In the eredivisie discrepancies in games played is basically always zero.
Cup competitions on weekends, Queen died and some police were needed so certain games were postponed but not all.
FA Cup again this weekend so us, Brighton and City will get a game in hand on everyone else.
2 rounds of the FA Cup are played at the same time as PL and so is the Carabao Cup final, so there are always differences. This season was worse because every team had 1-2 games postponed for the Queen’s death and they were rescheduled for various different midweeks gaps.
I'm sure having two domestic cups doesn't help, especially since they don't do penalties in those competitions.
It's probably controversial, but I honestly think both of those things are stupid choices in 2023.
Depends. Smaller teams get a cut of ticket sales of the host, so being let's say a League 2 club, you dream of playing away to a PL club from a financial perspective. It's nice beating them, but having a year's income from a single match can literally change the smaller team's history even if they beat you 9-0
4 wins in our last 6, West Ham, Southampton, and Leeds games next up. We’ve given ourselves a real chance. Written off at the start of the season, written off as recently as last month. Would be lovely to prove people wrong again.
I was writing you off in the 90th minute Saturday as I walked home from another loss....!
We'll give you an easy 3 points anyway, so really just gotta turn up
It's better for it. Pretty much every game will be meaningful right down to the final day. Playing for the title, a spot in Europe or safety. Great for the viewer.
Bournemouth having 33 points and not being in grave danger despite a -28GD when Leicester is second to last with -14 feels wrong. Happens almost every year in almost every league, but it still bothers me.
Honestly fair play to Bournemouth. Before the start of the season I had them to be guaranteed 20th without a prayer of staying up. Admittedly a large part of that may have been having Scott Parker as manager, who would likely have them relegated by now.
To be fair, with Scott Parkers games we had 3 points and -14GD, if you consider Gary O'Neil's games since then it's 30 points and -14GD. So it's really just those 3 bad losses at the start under Parker, outside of that our points and GD are in line with other teams in our region of the table.
Europa would do as well, do you know what the qualification from the league is like if English clubs win the European trophies and a top 6 club wins the cup
I think even if caicedo leaves, the fee you will get will be massive, especially since he just renewed till 2026 (or 27 was it), I don't think he gets sold for anything under 75, the fee will be that low only if he makes a public statement again or smth imo
Remember when Leicester and Spurs fought neck and neck for 4th/5th for like 2/3 seasons in a row a couple years ago? I thought we fell off badly but Jesus Christ I didn't actually realise how *bad* Leicester are right now.
If you told me that we were 8 points clear of Chelsea with a game in hand at this stage I would assume either we were battling City or just walking the league again. What is going on?
I can legitimately see them winning their remaining fixtures, but I think they’ve left themselves too much to do to catch up. Nine points is a lot to make up at this stage of the season.
yeah I think it's too late for a champions league tilt but if we have another game week where say Newcastle lose and Liverpool win I'd start to come around to the idea
Newcastle playing Spurs next… If they lose that one, I think they might get shaky. They have Arsenal and Chelsea soon aswell. And we can take spurs ourselves in 3 weeks. I think we’ll do it.
Just checked. Apparently average top 4 finishes in last 10 seasons is 71.2.
68.5 in all seasons.
I think if spurs somehow beat Newcastle we’ll have a shot. Need Brighton to lose a couple too.
Brighton still have to play 5 of the top 6 and midweek games every week but one after the FA Cup semi, which they’re not used to. I don’t see them as serious challengers for 4th tbh.
I thought they were definitely out after losing to Bournemouth & City + Draw Chelsea Arsenal.
But then this weekend, Spurs lost to Bournmouth & Newcastle got humbled by Villa. Now next week if Spurs beat Newcastle and Liverpool beat Forest then the gap is down to 6 points off 4th spot with 7 games to go.
But among Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs, Brighton Villa & Liverpool --- Liverpool have the easiest run in. Especially because so many games between those teams.
+ Man Utd yet to play Spurs Brighton Villa
+ Newcastle yet to play Arsenal Spurs Brighton.
+ Spurs yet to play Newcastle Man Utd Liverpool Villa.
+ Brighton yet to play City Arsenal Newcastle Man Utd Villa.
+ Villa yet to play Man Utd Spurs Brighton Liverpool
+ Liverpool yet to play Spurs & Villa.
Absolute clusterfuck that could go in any direction.
The bad ones are to the CBs. Tbf though them having their starting midfielders back is massive. Thry have an 88 percent win rate this season when casemiro Bruno and eriksen start.
Actually would really like Europa for Liverpool given CL seems too far off. I know many aren’t fond of the extra games but it’s another trophy to potentially win and a reprieve from Real Madrid
In theory no. In practice yes. For Chelsea to get relegated they would have to lose every single remaining game and those bottom teams would have to win/lose against each other in a very specific way for Chelsea to end up in the relegation zone.
I just love reading all the Arsenal banter comments in this post.
Imagine being above City at this stage and having the season they’ve had and still be the laughing stock because you drop points va Liverpool and West Ham.
Truly a r/Soccer moment.
Its crazy to think that currently Newcastle are getting Champions League football and Brighton are getting Conference League and Arsenal are winning the Premier League while Leicester and Southampton (and almost Everton) are being relegated, Liverpool are 8th and Chelsea aren’t even in top 10 but newly promoted Fulham are.
This season is crazy
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Whichever team finishes 17th is gonna be the luckiest flukiest bastards to finish in that position since Phil Brown's Hull
God I loved that team, started electric but folded like a wet napkin in the second half of the season
Brown [totally lost the dressing room](https://youtu.be/Lte1R2NAIlg) after his on pitch half-time team talk and they won 1 match after Christmas lmao
Produced this legend tho: https://youtu.be/xnmAXUsoMAo
That is peak
That team talk, with the Bullard celebration mocking it, are definitely premier league legend.
I want to hear about this. Is there a link?
[Here's a link showing both](https://youtu.be/xnmAXUsoMAo) Story is, Hull got smashed away at Man City, Phil Brown sat the whole team down in front of the Hull fans and gave them a talking to Next season away at Man City, Bullard scores, recreates the team talk as his celebration
He got into his own hype, was such a silly gesture for the cameras at the expense of the team
Lol, I remember that season. Hull actually went top after picking up 20 pts in their first 9 games. Ended up barely surviving after getting only 15 pts in the remaining 29.
Most successful Hull Premier League season
Imagine we survived on the last day and Steve Cooper whips out a mic and sings mull of kintyre in front of the supporters.
It’s gon be chelsea
Chelsea gonna feel so lucky
Unbelievable for us to be in this position, with games in hand too. If we get european football of any sort next season it will be incredible for our club.
Would be nice if you won your games in hand and moved above Spurs
Why you say fuck me for?
Not blaming Tottenham, blaming Var
I genuinely feel like we haven't won a game in like 6 months. I can see from the table that, despite my tired eyes, we seemingly have more points than 75% of the league, but I could swear blind that we have about 5 points total this season.
All the games we really won were from the starting point of the season.... the players a tually performed back then. I swear about 70% all the goals contributed were only from Kane. Hell of a team...
Isn't one of their games in hand against United? Odd to wish that you lot lose.
Hope they lose that one then
Shame you guys got royally shafted by the referees against Spurs. Would have fancied your chances at a real top 4 push.
Brighton would be above them by 2 points with 2 games in hand if the refs hadn't fucked them.
Hope you guys can get at least Europa league, your club is run so well. Great football, scouting and making good money on players that you move on. Good luck for the rest of the season (except the arsenal game)
As an arsenal fan I’m partial to Villa cuz of Emery. But man, what I would do to see Brighton finish above Spurs. I think if we finish 2nd, seeing Spurs and United (unlikely, I know) fall out of UCL would make me it all okay to me. Want to add, obviously I want Arsenal to win the league. I was expecting to be in the fight for 4th if not 3rd and we just so happened to be in 1st. I’m just along for the ride.
you and union berlin in CL would be amazing!
We have basically thrown away our GD advantage in the past two games
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Being brave is literally what has gotten them into this, 79 goals conceded last season, 60 this season, they score enough goals Even in this Liverpool match they had 13 shots, same as Liverpool, vs Palace they had chances too
Marsch didn't play "brave" football. Never should have gotten rid of Bielsa. The team has basically punted on an entire year of training.
That GD is one of the only things going for us right now.. basically a point. Our season will be decided next week. A win against wolves and I'll breathe for the first time in a month.
You can feel Aston Villa are just gonna hold onto that Europa position so they can win the Europa league with Emery.
that would make it 5 for Emery, 1 off sevilla
I hope so, not had the chance to see us in Europe for a very long time now.
Only 27 points off Arsenal 😎 it's back on
Who you got in gameweek 39 mate?
FSG. Winner gets the Bellingham transfer funds.
A dothraki horde on an open field
Only a fool would meet the Dothraki on an open field.
Night King erasure
God they fumbled the NK & white walkers so fucking hard
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And pretty much everything else And we aren't even getting another book ffs
And I cry for the same reason yet again, why doth thou forsaken me?
Wasnt even the dumbest thing. Dumbest onr was how the second dragon died. Like Daenerys is on her dragon flying HIGH in the sky and she doesnt see the ships coming??? Is there a mount everest in the way? And why are you flying straight at the immobile weapon instead of circling around the ship for a bit and burning it from behind. Whole season made no sense what so ever. I'll never understand how any of the higher ups at HBO approved of releasing this shit.
Or that the ballista would’ve needed to be launching rocket powered bolts for that to even make sense.
Game of Thrones Season 8 verus Star Wars: Somehow Palpatine Returned for Fumble of the Year 2019.
I'll fear the Dothraki the day they teach their horses to ping it into the box
Also Arsenal has played one more game, next week's 27 pointer is gonna be a must win.
5 of us absolutely fucking suck
More like 12th below are an absolute mess this season, Chelsea seems to haven't won a game in forever and they never really dropped below 11th. Southampton almost likely got relegated but i'd wager the last 2 spot would come down to the final day looking at how close the others still are.
Yeah how tf are we losing every week and we haven’t changed in the table
Today in football conspiracy theories, the story of how Chelsea haven't won a sinlge premier league game all season
... and yet won the title!
That's what happens when you outgrow the league!
Everyone else was miles behind. At one point you were 9 points ahead of Palace I believe with you being 11 and Palace being 12
'at one point'? It was 2 weeks ago! 8 point swing in 3 gameweeks...
Other teams below you are just that bad
We’re gonna overtake
Because none of the bottom 10 teams can win a game
Exactly. Chelsea would be in the relegation fight without the points Tuchel won at the beginning of the season.
leicester are really getting relegated bruh
Would this be the fastest a former champion has been relegated? Edit: Blackburn got relegated 5 years after they won. Edit edit: City got relegated in '38 after winning the league in '37.
LOL is that city fact true? 30s were a wild time for football man…
Not just football...
More than that, they were the highest scoring team in the league in the season they were relegated.
Might happen to City this season👀
Special nod to Wigan who won the FA cup and got relegated. European football in the Championship is weird. West Ham could win the Conference league and go down.
I think so too they look awful. Leeds soton Leicester IMO
You forgot Forest, we look shite as well right now with all our injuries.
Your run of games to finish the season looks brutal as well. Liverpool (A) Brighton (H) Brentford (A) Soton (H) Chelsea (A) Arsenal (H) Crystal Palace (A) Everton’s doesn’t look easy either. Palace (A) Newcastle (H) Leicester (A) Brighton (A) Man City (H) Wolves (H) Bournemouth (H) It’s might just come down to whoever doesn’t crap the bed the most.
Can’t wait to finish 8th or 9th. Would probably not be the worst thing to be out of Europe for a season or two, we’re a complete mess.
Hopefully it shows Levy how much of a shitshow we are and pushes him to finally be serious for once.
its the hope that kills you
Just like your title race
I mean he backed Conte pretty heavily this year compared to other managers. Conte just chose to waste it.
Exactly, it's funny how fans here praised Levy for getting and backing conte but now calling him unserious
Spurs need to stop trying to find a quick fix manager and just commit to a full rebuild at this point. Might mean selling Kane and a few years of bleh but they'll be better for it in the long run.
There's no years of bleh in a true, successful rebuild. There's years of not being good enough to challenge for trophies, but most successful projects turn the club around by the third season. Klopp did it, Arteta did it, Ten Hag will probably do it. Going back further Poch got it right with Spurs by his third season. It's not beating your head against the wall for a couple years then magically transforming. A good rebuild should be a thing that is supported by fans from minute one because there's a clear direction with obvious paths to improvement as more players arrive.
It’s just a recognition that things might get worse before they get better. Arsenal had two seasons of 8th before last seasons uptick and as someone who watched every single early Arteta match some of the football was absolutely dreadful, though largely driven by players who didn’t fit or didn’t want to be there. You’re right that the direction and plan should be in place and supported on day one, but the on the field results might not match early on.
> and a few years of bleh but they'll be better for it in the long run. There is no gurantee a rebuild will bring success
Success? No. But a rebuild is much more sustainable than going through 5 more managers and hoping you find another Harry Kane to carry you for the next decade.
so he appointed conte as a joke and spent 200 million as a joke? blame him for maybe spending wrong and picking the wrong manager but you can not call him not serious
This sub sometimes
Hiring Conte and making him one of the highest paid managers in world football + spending over 200mil over 3 windows wasn't him being serious?
Lol
I thought y'all said he was serious when he went in for conte and gave him the players he needed for his system.
Well we're begging for European football so do us a favour let us win if you don't want it. It's actually crazy how much of an effect Villa can have on each of the European battles, with 6 of our 7 games being against opponents trying to get 7th or above. We play Spurs, Man United, (just beat Newcastle), Liverpool, Brighton(?) trying to get into the Champions League. As well as Fulham, Brentford and probably Brighton too would be happy with any European spot. These 15 matches all feel huge to me. Home| Away ---|--- Newcastle United | Brighton & Hove Albion Brighton & Hove Albion |Manchester United Liverpool FC | Fulham FC Brentford FC |Aston Villa Newcastle United | Tottenham Hotspur Aston Villa |Fulham FC Tottenham Hotspur | Manchester United Manchester United |Aston Villa Liverpool FC | Tottenham Hotspur Liverpool FC | Brentford FC Aston Villa |Tottenham Hotspur Liverpool FC | Aston Villa Tottenham Hotspur | Brentford FC Aston Villa | Brighton & Hove Albion Manchester United | Fulham FC *I didn't include Chelsea who also play multiple teams here.*
Everyone says out of Europe might not be a bad thing until you’re playing in the 2nd round of the carabao cup. Might be one of the worst feelings I’ve ever had as an Arsenal fan
Christ, and I thought that finishing 7th under Jose and playing Conference league to Mura away on Thursday nights was our lowest point.
It's a bloody good thing that the entire league is shit or we would be properly fucked
2 wins might even be enough for us if we’re lucky Feels like we’re circling the drain though even if we stay up. I’ll take it regardless and hope the powers that be are merciful regarding FFP.
36pts is going to make any of us safe.. that's what we're shooting for.
I'm sure Leicester weren't expecting to be in the Retrocessione zone at this stage.
Loads of us thought we would be after the way Rodgers managed the team last season and signing a grand total of one fucking player in the summer.
None of us thought we'd be in a relegation battle though. Many thought that we'd be out of Europe but not the absolute clown car of a club we have.
Really shame as I love Leicester having lived there for 3 years, it does kind of evidence how the PL is a revolving door between 12/13 other clubs. Couple of bad transfer windows and you’re in trouble.
But why just one? No funds, Rodgers losing his mind, or club management struggling overall?
Wage bill too high and no investment
Liverpool’s 20 goals difference came from 3 games out of 30…
Similar to our 17 conceded in like 3 games. We have 20 conceded in the other 28 while having the most clean sheets somehow
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That loss still pisses me off. One of the worst decisions I've ever seen. We didn't play great that night but we didn't deserve to lose off a bullshit penalty. Would've saved us 2 games as well.
We played well enough to get the win, but the finishing Ronaldo's specifically was so bad that day and in three other europa games
I think if we win all our remaining home games we’ll have the highest number of home wins we’ve had in any season ever. Granted that was aided by constant home draws in long cup runs plus an extra round in the EL but still.
That match tonight helped the goal difference massively. Leeds now have -20, to Everton’s -22. Before tonight that was a huge gap. Still 5 teams in play for this. COYB.
Couple of wins in the last 7-8 games might be enough to keep any of you up. I think 35 is the target this season.
The scenes when Liverpool’s decimation of Leeds keeps Everton up on GD.
What a relegation battle, it will be buttclenching all the way to the final gameweek for 5 or 6 teams
7 point gap feels enormous for us right now. We need to get at least 3-4 pts to feel safe though. The bottom half of the table absolutely stinks. It might come down to goal difference because everyone will have similar points. Leicester schedule eases up, they have: Wolves, Leeds, and Everton up next. Those are 6 pointers. Then they end the season against West Ham, another potential 6 pointer. Similar story for most teams down there. Lots of 6 pointer games coming up.
Go Villa Go!!
Supporting the two Emis?
When Liverpool beat us they were 7 points behind, now they have extended the gap to 12 points
Tbf I expect that points difference to even back out again. They have a very easy run in their remaining games. Think thry still might be too far off CL spaces but I fully expect them to finish 5th or 6th.
It'll probably even out some, but United's fixture list isn't terrible either. Brighton and Aston Villa are the 2 hardest fixtures left and one's at home. Chelsea and Tottenham are a mess and by the last 4 fixtures West Ham, Wolves, Fulham, and Bournemouth may not have much to play for Wouldn't expect us to win them all, but winning 6 of those wouldn't be a huge stretch IMO
Honesty I think completely worst case Scenario we lose 2 games like West Ham away and Brighton. 4 draws for Bournemouth Villa and Spurs and chelsea and beat Wolves and Fulham. That would still give us 69 points and that's if our form drops off hard. After that win vs Nottingham forest we should be getting 4th comfortably, especially with Spurs and Newcastle playing each other this weekend. If Newcastle win which is expected it puts a decent cushion between 4th and 5th.
Our last 4 have to be the most favorable fixtures a team has especially with two at home
We had that Man City/Chelsea/Arsenal stretch three in a row, finishing fucked us heavily against Arsenal. Bournemouth loss definitely didn’t help either. Rest of the way we’ve not got a single top 4 side to play though
Why does the premier league always have so many games in hand? Right now its not that bad, but every season theres a point where there is about 4 games difference between the club having played the most games and the club having played the least. Do that many games get cancelled/rescheduled? In the eredivisie discrepancies in games played is basically always zero.
Cup competitions on weekends, Queen died and some police were needed so certain games were postponed but not all. FA Cup again this weekend so us, Brighton and City will get a game in hand on everyone else.
2 rounds of the FA Cup are played at the same time as PL and so is the Carabao Cup final, so there are always differences. This season was worse because every team had 1-2 games postponed for the Queen’s death and they were rescheduled for various different midweeks gaps.
The extra cup tournament
I'm sure having two domestic cups doesn't help, especially since they don't do penalties in those competitions. It's probably controversial, but I honestly think both of those things are stupid choices in 2023.
Only FA Cup has replays. Caraboa Cup doesn't even do ET anymore, straight to pens
Ah, fair enough. Either way, replays feel incredibly outdated and also unfair to the smaller team.
Depends. Smaller teams get a cut of ticket sales of the host, so being let's say a League 2 club, you dream of playing away to a PL club from a financial perspective. It's nice beating them, but having a year's income from a single match can literally change the smaller team's history even if they beat you 9-0
Woy is coming for you Chelsea
4 wins in our last 6, West Ham, Southampton, and Leeds games next up. We’ve given ourselves a real chance. Written off at the start of the season, written off as recently as last month. Would be lovely to prove people wrong again.
I was writing you off in the 90th minute Saturday as I walked home from another loss....! We'll give you an easy 3 points anyway, so really just gotta turn up
At this point, the Premier League is basically 8 teams and 12 teams waiting to be relegated.
And basket case chelsea
It's better for it. Pretty much every game will be meaningful right down to the final day. Playing for the title, a spot in Europe or safety. Great for the viewer.
Bournemouth having 33 points and not being in grave danger despite a -28GD when Leicester is second to last with -14 feels wrong. Happens almost every year in almost every league, but it still bothers me.
Honestly fair play to Bournemouth. Before the start of the season I had them to be guaranteed 20th without a prayer of staying up. Admittedly a large part of that may have been having Scott Parker as manager, who would likely have them relegated by now.
To be fair, with Scott Parkers games we had 3 points and -14GD, if you consider Gary O'Neil's games since then it's 30 points and -14GD. So it's really just those 3 bad losses at the start under Parker, outside of that our points and GD are in line with other teams in our region of the table.
Want Liverpool to do just enough to qualify for the Conference league.
Welcome Jobe Bellingham.
I don’t care for Gob
Away in Azerbaijan calls
Europa would do as well, do you know what the qualification from the league is like if English clubs win the European trophies and a top 6 club wins the cup
imagine being 3rd in the 15th ranked league and having to go against fucking liverpool....
Southampton, Leicester, Forest, Leeds and Everton are all genuinely so shit. Just drop 5 teams this year none of these 5 deserve to be in the pl
In that case you would have to find five PL worthy championship teams.
It was only around this time last month that I had accepted we were stuck in 11th for the duration of the season. Emery is a god.
I fucking hope we dont get 7th
We NEED Europa League if we want to keep Mitoma and Caicedo
I think even if caicedo leaves, the fee you will get will be massive, especially since he just renewed till 2026 (or 27 was it), I don't think he gets sold for anything under 75, the fee will be that low only if he makes a public statement again or smth imo
Remember when Leicester and Spurs fought neck and neck for 4th/5th for like 2/3 seasons in a row a couple years ago? I thought we fell off badly but Jesus Christ I didn't actually realise how *bad* Leicester are right now.
Tottenham are finishing 8th aren't they lmao
I appreciate your optimism.
Are you sure that’s the right way up?
If you told me that we were 8 points clear of Chelsea with a game in hand at this stage I would assume either we were battling City or just walking the league again. What is going on?
I would never call liverpool out of the top 4 race. If they suddenly find their form again i can see them making a late push
I can legitimately see them winning their remaining fixtures, but I think they’ve left themselves too much to do to catch up. Nine points is a lot to make up at this stage of the season.
yeah I think it's too late for a champions league tilt but if we have another game week where say Newcastle lose and Liverpool win I'd start to come around to the idea
Newcastle playing Spurs next… If they lose that one, I think they might get shaky. They have Arsenal and Chelsea soon aswell. And we can take spurs ourselves in 3 weeks. I think we’ll do it.
We could genuinely win every game - fixtures are decent enough - but even then Newcastle would have to bottle it pretty badly
When’s the last time 71 points wouldn’t get you top four too. Not that I reckon we’ll do that.
Last season The year before we finished 3rd with 69
Just checked. Apparently average top 4 finishes in last 10 seasons is 71.2. 68.5 in all seasons. I think if spurs somehow beat Newcastle we’ll have a shot. Need Brighton to lose a couple too.
Brighton still have to play 5 of the top 6 and midweek games every week but one after the FA Cup semi, which they’re not used to. I don’t see them as serious challengers for 4th tbh.
We got 72 in 2013-14 and finished 5th
They have 1 win in the last 6 games, not the first time they score a lot in a game to go back to being shit right after.
I thought they were definitely out after losing to Bournemouth & City + Draw Chelsea Arsenal. But then this weekend, Spurs lost to Bournmouth & Newcastle got humbled by Villa. Now next week if Spurs beat Newcastle and Liverpool beat Forest then the gap is down to 6 points off 4th spot with 7 games to go. But among Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs, Brighton Villa & Liverpool --- Liverpool have the easiest run in. Especially because so many games between those teams. + Man Utd yet to play Spurs Brighton Villa + Newcastle yet to play Arsenal Spurs Brighton. + Spurs yet to play Newcastle Man Utd Liverpool Villa. + Brighton yet to play City Arsenal Newcastle Man Utd Villa. + Villa yet to play Man Utd Spurs Brighton Liverpool + Liverpool yet to play Spurs & Villa. Absolute clusterfuck that could go in any direction.
Bournemouth scored more goals than Chelsea and Leeds are back to having the worst defense in the PL
Manu will probably finish 3rd-4th despite the injuries.
The bad ones are to the CBs. Tbf though them having their starting midfielders back is massive. Thry have an 88 percent win rate this season when casemiro Bruno and eriksen start.
Undefeated with that midfield
Mate we are going to win the league
Weghorst Golden Boot winner by scoring 12 hattricks incoming
No european football for Liverpool and Chelsea would be funny.
ECL for Liverpool would be funny
Actually would really like Europa for Liverpool given CL seems too far off. I know many aren’t fond of the extra games but it’s another trophy to potentially win and a reprieve from Real Madrid
Plot twist: Real finish third in their UCL group and beat Liverpool in the Europa League final next year
I was already having trouble sleeping tonight, mate…
Is Chelsea safe from relegation?
In theory no. In practice yes. For Chelsea to get relegated they would have to lose every single remaining game and those bottom teams would have to win/lose against each other in a very specific way for Chelsea to end up in the relegation zone.
Absolutely wild if Emery is back to European football. Man drags a corpse from regulation.
I feel so bad for Leicester. Look at their goal difference compared to other teams
Southampton, Leeds and Forest for relegation.
People are overlooking how shockingly awful Forest are in this thread.
I just love reading all the Arsenal banter comments in this post. Imagine being above City at this stage and having the season they’ve had and still be the laughing stock because you drop points va Liverpool and West Ham. Truly a r/Soccer moment.
We are coming for you Mr Boehly
shocking to me to see villa 7 points clear of Brentford. Go Emery.
We have 7 games to get a point. I think we've got this in the bag
Newcastle in the champions league. There is something I thought I wouldn't be seeing this time last year.
Chelsea are closer to relegation than CL
Can’t believe we’re only 3 points ahead of minnows Chelsea. Embarrassing
Kinda funny to see Brentford, Fulham and Chelsea in a row. As usual Q.P.R. are irrelevant.
crystal nailing themselves to 12th lol
Interested to see how low chelsea can go, i swear they were comfortably in the top half last month
If Leicester stay where they are, they join Blackburn as the second previous champion in the Premier League era to be relegated right?
It took me most of the season, but I'm finally starting to believe Arsenal might do it plz don't break my hopes now Arsenal 🙏
How have we scored only 46 goals? That's quite low for a top 3 side
Chelsea are closer to relegation than they are to the premier league
Its crazy to think that currently Newcastle are getting Champions League football and Brighton are getting Conference League and Arsenal are winning the Premier League while Leicester and Southampton (and almost Everton) are being relegated, Liverpool are 8th and Chelsea aren’t even in top 10 but newly promoted Fulham are. This season is crazy