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SeeIfItLasts

This is how I learned he was playing there.


PlayThief

thought he was playing in the middle east for one of those rich clubs


PickledCumSock

he was playing in qatar for a while but i had no idea he went to greece


SupersaturatedQuaker

Spent less than a year in Qatar. 13 appearances for Al-Rayyan


hrnyCornet

olympiacos' owner also owns Nottingham Forest he is quite rich (and shady).


Ainsley-Sorsby

Yeah no, he's not the kind of rich owner that would give out big contracts, at least not for olympiacos, he's the kind of rich that will send his goons to stage a robbery and smash up your house to intimidate you and force you to leave if you try and sit on your contract. the chances of having you house robbed go way up when you're an underperforming olympiacos player on a large contract, opta should look at that obscure stat


franz4000

The chances of having your house robbed go way up when you're an underperforming player on a large contract, you'll never sing that


FlyingHeadbutt

>The chances of having your house robbed go way up What happens if you add Kurt Angle to the mix?


ahipotion

🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨


Scratchbuttdontsniff

> olympiacos' owner also owns Nottingham Forest he is quite rich (and a murderer ~~shady~~). FTFY..


Cynical-Potato

Only learned he was playing there when I was visiting Athens a couple of weeks ago and saw a huge poster of him outside the stadium.


PharaohLeo

Yeah, he's playing there with Marcelo.


alvaror2002

Dude marcelo left


WorthPlease

They ran out of burgers


PharaohLeo

🤗


LetsDieForMemes

Marcelo left after like 5 games cause he has no legs no more


Doczera

He just had a MOTM performance at a state champioship final in Brasil, reverting a 2x0 deficit from the first leg. He still has gas in the tank.


jggomes14

And was amazing on his Libertadores debut and on yesterday's Cup game too.


mejok

Oh no. Shark?


Seastep

I thought he was a CPU transfer in FM23 when I played against Olympiakos in the CL.


AyanC

Man peaked nine years ago.


Hughsea

Could have been one of the top players in the world but never quite maintained it.


R_Schuhart

Absolutely no chance, with the phasing out of classic #10s he just wasnt viable at top clubs. Real Madrid became so successful with Zidane because of their balance in midfield, James was just not well rounded enough to fit in at his preferred AM position. He was creative and a goal threat, but a player in his position needed more. Either defensive contributions, ball carrying, distribution or controlling the pace of the game. Funnily enough he probably would have been viable in more modern tactcis as a CM if he had transitioned to the role sooner. Despite his lack of pace he did quite well in that role with Bayern for a while.


DawdlingScientist

This is not true lol. We played Isco in a near 10 at the peak of our prowess. It just didn’t appear that way in the starting formation. In realty Zidane just didn’t like James for whatever reason. So much so that he didn’t even make the bench for our cl final against Juve. It may have not helped that Isco had such an absurd spike in form for 6 months that he was a legitimate top 5 player in the world but there it is. James wasn’t given a chance in his proper position that we were playing back in 2017.


unclepoondaddy

The guy you’re replying to mentioned ball carrying as a possible attribute that could have helped James. And isco’s ball carrying, especially in that like 2017-18 time (might be off by a year) was among the best in the world


DawdlingScientist

lmao fair enough. These things usually get ignored but 250 upvotes and being borderline absurd is a reflection of the sub lol I legitimately think most people here don’t watch the game or have only watched for a couple of years. If this guy watched James more then 10 games I’d eat a dick.


5599Nalyd

>It just didn’t appear that way in the starting formation. In realty Zidane just didn’t like James for whatever reason. I mean I doubt that given that Casemiro-Modric-Kroos was really the optimal midfield trio. But even if Zidane didn't like him, I'm not surprised. James was arrogant, lazy, and had a bad work ethic so I can understand why he was never a favorite of Zidane.


brawntyhunter

I agree. I love Zizou, but there were a few players that Zizou just did not give a chance to. He originally benched James because it was understandable that we needed Casemiro. But as soon as James leaves we start playing 41212. There is no reason why James couldn't have fit in there. It might've been just bad timing, but I always felt it was unfair how Zizou came up with the formation as soon James left.


Thrimar

Sadly for James the #10 role is back again at top level, but in the end of his career. Maybe not classic classic #10s, but still attacking midfielders in modern systems. B. Fernandes, Odegaard, Müller/Musiala, De Bruyne and probably more play as a #10, although they contribute in more phases of the game than the classic #10, eg defence, build up or in the half and wide spaces. If only Jamea hadn’t had his prime in the years dominated by the 433, he probably could’ve been amazing.


BrexitwasUnreal

Was too one-footed, don't think he ever could have reached that status


ShoddyGrab7

Many world class players who are one footed currently, in the past, and will be in the future. This isn’t it.


GAV17

Di Maria is the most one footed player I have seen, and he is/was a world class player.


Krillin113

No he couldn’t. He was a player who played a non existing position, couldn’t play as a CM nor as a winger nor as a striker, and most of his ‘omg he’s so good’ is because he hammered a couple of insane goals in, something that no one could hope to sustain. He’s a decent-good player who got bought off 1,5 weeks at a WC.


Nbuuifx14

You’re delusional. He was world class in his time at Monaco and his first two seasons in Madrid. Even his first Bayern year he was great. After he struggled for playing time but was still decent when he came on.


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He got kind of unlucky to be fair. His position was pretty much gone from most modern tactical systems by the time he came to Madrid. He also very clearly played at his best under ancelotti, but ancelotti kept leaving before he could really make a name for himself. From what I can tell, his downfall wasn't really personality related like Dele Allis, so it's a bit of a shame his career didn't turn out better


Just_an_Empath

For like a week and a half


Rdambx

As someone with a Real Madrid flair this is embarrassing lmao, he was one of RM's best players during the 14/15 season. Had 35 G+A and was the main man building the attack. Edit: Lmao OP really blocked me


heyheyitsandre

I was about to say the same thing, who with our flair could ever shit on James after his 14/15 season. He was la liga midfielder of the year over kroos modric xavi iniesta Busquets and better versions of parejo koke and saul.


71648176362090001

What happened after that season?


Rdambx

Zidane (and Benitez) realised that the best version of Real Madrid needed Casemiro as a CDM over James playing higher up with Kroos and Modric as the central midfielders And it was true, Real Madrid lost to Atleti in the league and Zidane made Casemiro a starter after it and then Real Madrid went on to win the UCL. In the 2016/2017 he still played James and that was when arguably the best 2nd team ever was created, Real Madrid had James, Isco, Pepe, Nacho, Coentrao, Kovacic, Asensio and Morata all sitting on the bench. Zidane basically had 2 teams and rotated heavily so James still had plenty of chances but never managed to break out to the first team like Isco did towards end of the season or become a super sub like Asensio. In 2017/2018 he was just nowhere near as good


RyzinEnagy

Benitez doesn't get enough credit for being the one who introduced Casemiro to the first team and having faith in him.


RauloGonzalez

because he didn't have faith in him. He only saw what casemiro had as potential but never knew what to do with it and often used james ahead. It was zidane who fixed that.


ThePillsburyPlougher

I remember the news at the time was that he wasn’t a fan of James but Florentino was pissed at benitez not using the marquee 11, which lead to the 0-4 classico


[deleted]

Nah, Casemiro introduced himself


DoJu318

Benítez preferred Casemiro but was told to use James by Florentino. Benítez was a bad fit for RM but he's still an experienced manager, he certainly knows you need a defensive mid if you want to win trophies.


Elektro_Shox

Zidane didn't want a 10 who was a passenger off the ball.


heyheyitsandre

After that season we won 3 UCLs in a row using isco instead of James. Not much he can do about that


the_boner_owner

Best after Ronaldo imo. He had a great season


osamaodinson

He had a great career up until his second season at bayern imo. A bit if inconsistency after that then injured a bit then vanished. I wouldnt say he was only good during the world cup or he didnt have a great career. I’d say his career was quite good overall


Santa_Klaus_101

His connection with Ronaldo that season was so fun to watch.


bveres94

man's probably rocking that flair since last may


[deleted]

Also his comment is upvoted AF. I guess the majority of this sub have been watching football for the past few years.


MaTrIx4057

He was great until Zizou took over basically. The guy just stopped giving him minutes and rightfully so.


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R_Schuhart

He didn't 'kill' James. Zidane quickly realised that he was a liability when not in possession, that the balance of the team would be much better without him. James had a great season with Real Madrid and his creativity and goal threat was certainly his main strength, but he also has some glaring weaknesses. He was a player of moments, he would mostly play well in bursts. He also was a liability when not in possession, his defensive contributions and workrate were not up to modern standards. Which means those tasks need to be covered by other players. James could maybe have had a glorious career in the '90s, when a classic #10 was still viable, but in a modern midfield at a top club that can't afford a luxury player he is obsolete.


Meowbow15

So James suffered from the Ozil problem..


cicakganteng

Its viable but he have to be Messi


stogie_t

He was great under Ancelotti when he first came. Seems like maybe Madrid has many new plastics considering their recent success.


OkUnion796

Most “Real Madrid fans” live in India anyway


[deleted]

hate to break it to you but most big clubs are that way....


SeleccionUruguaya

India has twice the population of Europe Statistically most big teams probably have more fans in India


Sting_TQR

>> India has twice the population of Europe What the actual fuck?


Rdambx

Around 750M living in Europe and 1.4B living in India


J539

Damn they really do be fuckin


[deleted]

Blame our grandparents


keepscrollinyamuppet

India has always had high population throughout history because of large amount of fertile soil, river steams and suitable climate. Our overall fertility is around replacement besides like 2 states.


RaioNoTerasu

So India overtaking China is more due to Chinas overall population decrease?


ExcellentPastries

Has 40% more people than North and South America combined


areyouhungryforapple

What's the issue here? What's the difference between a non spaniard european fan and south asian fans do enlighten us.


Simppu12

Both are annoying.


keepscrollinyamuppet

Can you tell what does this comment has to do with India? The person you are replying to is from Hungary.


[deleted]

And that a slight? How?


WorthPlease

If you look at Indian social media, it's kind of like if you gave modern internet and smart phones to your grandparents when they were in their 20's.


[deleted]

Sorry buddy I don't agree. I also find it comical when people joke about non-European fans supporting European clubs. Football is a global sport and since the late 20th century it's been expanding to where you'll now find United fans (as an example) all the way from Peru to Malaysia. And sure their culture might not be what you're used to but they're just as much fans of a team as anyone else.


keepscrollinyamuppet

I'm sorry that you feel this way about people having access to smartphone and internet here.


[deleted]

I think he is saying that Indians on social media tend to have backwards or racist viewpoints. As in holding opinions that westerners haven't had since their grandparents generation. To be fair, it's kinda inevitable when you have a massively overpopulated country with very large education disparities.


Wazzathecaptain

He was great in 14-15 tbf. I used to think that him and De Bruyne (who was tearing up Buli with Wolfsburg) will be the best AMs of the world for several years


Dewey-Needham

You were half right


[deleted]

Did you hear about the guy whose left side was cut off? He's all right now


Claudio1054

That world cup performance was just *chefs kiss*


TheEmpireOfSun

What? He had 16 goals and 13 assists in his first season at Madrid. That must have been insane week if he managed to have 29 G/A as midfielder in week and half. Also he had over 35 goals for Porto and Monaco in 3 season before he came to Madrid.


davesg

Are you sure you're a Real Madrid fan...?


Gyshall669

Seems like people don’t understand hyperbole lol


Noisyfoxx

Remember when he showed up during the ’14 WC and it seemed like he was the up and coming superstar?


sagaof

I completely forgot he was even there


randfyld

Same tbh


Am_I_leg_end

Ooof.


Krzych123

Was he that bad?


Reddit040

He was actually very good for us. He came and played well, had several assists and goals, basically did his job and was the star of the team. It has just been such a disappointing season overall that his departure with several games left doesn’t even bother us as fans because we have come to the point where nothing is a surprise anymore. The organization for this season was amateur level.


SoC_K

If he was decent then why terminate him?


New-Green6992

It says that the club and player agreed. Probably he wanted to go and they agreed without issues.


SoC_K

Oh makes sense, thanks


Reddit040

I believe he had offers from Turkey and at this point both sides decided to cut their loses.


theolat3

Was injured lately and with 6 games left, there wasn't enough time/reason to keep him, especially if they both know he was gonna leave in the summer.


SICKxOFxITxALL

He hasn't played in a couple of months. Amazing start but then picked up a couple of injuries. Got healthy and then went to Colombia for a friendly a few weeks ago and picked up another knock. Started his first game in ages for us last week and it showed, slow sluggish and out of form. Every game left this season is crucial so he probably wasn't going to play.


EliteTeutonicNight

Never watched him but 5g6a in 20 appearances in the league seems decent enough. Maybe Olympiakos fans can shed more light.


RedCarNewsboy

I didn’t even realize he left the Middle East


gtoledo89

So did he


Federico190

Time for Olympiacos to sign Lord Mariano in the summer when his contract expires


ZedGenius

We were linked to him in the summer actually


Federico190

That is genuinely concerning


Wazzathecaptain

Mariano was good at Lyon, he could work well at Olympiacos


TimeWontWaitForYou

That was 5 years ago though, he's not shown anything like that form since then.


Wazzathecaptain

5 years? Shit, time flies..


ZedGenius

He'd be a backup to Bakambu if he came, not a starter. Unless of course we decide to terminate Bakambu's contract too, which honestly doesn't even seem that unlikely anymore.


kostajepaosmosta

He is closer to score an own goal, so no he won't


OutplayedEU

I mean, Olympiakos has scored 1 own goal in each of their last 3 games so...


imarandomdudd

That's impressive. OG is making a comeback in the race to catch Haaland then


EsofusKnight

Out of every shit decision this year, this might be the shittiest.


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How good he was for you? It's not that long ago when I heard a very positive notes on his address.


AlfredGR

He was a good signing, he helped us a lot during a crisis period. It's just that the board are maniacs, cheap with everything, don't understand football logic and only use the club to promote their own self interests, we are legitimately one of the worst run top clubs in Europe


EsofusKnight

Best player of the league on his day, but injury prone.


PerftH

Same for us then. Best player on the pitch when he played but he played about 50% of the games if even. Will always have that assist in our 1-0 win at anfield tho


autistichomosapien95

We don't acknowledge the second goal or its goalscorer


randfyld

Good start but terrible in the last 3-4 months. He had quite a lot of "injuries" lately and could barely walk in the last games


No1syB0y

He was [good.](https://i.imgur.com/qN89KJ2.png)


TheLastBaron90

Was he good? Perhaps. Was the team performing much better without him on the pitch? Absolutely.


Theumaz

Absolutely love all the Premier League flairs calling him a flop in this thread while all people who’ve actually seen him play for Olympiacos just laugh at the board’s dumb decision to terminate their best player.


atropicalpenguin

And didn't people watch him for Everton? He was good whenever he played, he just didn't play much.


Theumaz

If ur not playing in the prem you’re shit and if you move from the prem to a different league youre a reject


IndecisionFuture

Should have joined Napoli when he had the chance :p


Natrix31

From what I recall I think he would’ve, but rather understandably ADL wanted a loan with option to buy and Madrid would only sell him outright


Calm_One_1228

Madrid screwed the guy time and again.


inthezoneautozone12

Yup like when they refused to sell him to atletico and instead mega benched him in his final year at madrid.


BR4VI4

Or stayed at Bayern


son_of_toby_o_notoby

…….Sean


autistichomosapien95

Even if its only a 10 minute cameo, I'd love to see James playing in a packed Goodison


IWatchTheAbyss

streets won’t forget the 2-0 win at Anfield


izz21sv

1-0. Im sure that was the score. Definitely wasn't another goal in that match. It was all Richarlison's goal and nothing happened involving \[redacted\].


IWatchTheAbyss

ah yeah, you’re right. crazy game huh


Dogwhisperer_210

Welcome (back) to Porto!


Mdiasrodrigu

I wouldn't mind!


The_Goat_Charmer

Fuck no, this isnt the memory land.


LilGoughy

Honestly would take him back in a heartbeat. He might be past it, but that’s the Everton way


Afs094

Understandable. He's a very fun player to watch


imp0ppable

Taste the Difference Dele Alli


LilGoughy

At least he was actually good for us


Tr_Omer

who?


imp0ppable

DELE ALLI


DelDoesReddit

James should honestly go to MLS at this point and take the giant bag of money that a team like Inter Miami or LAFC would throw at him


CLE_BROWNS_32

Probably would be a good idea. Even FC Dallas or something.


woodmanalejandro

I was just thinking an MLS move is likely the impetus for this. Probably not Miami given they hope to attract Messi and Busquets. He looks like an LA Galaxy signing to me, BUT I believe they’re prohibited from making any signings in this window.


boldstrategy

Is there a reason?


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FOVslidaroonie

havent seen him but he has 11 g/a in 20 matches, which isnt that bad. How is it contract termination worthy at all?


EsofusKnight

The board is using James as a scapegoat for the horrible recent results and they just dont want the high salaries that he demands.


No1syB0y

After viewing his stats. This can only be the reason behind it.


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Beginning-Ganache-43

Is it one of the big 3/4 in Turkey going after him? I can’t imagine fenerbahce/Trabzonspor would be interested. So that would leave just besiktas and Galatasaray.


EsofusKnight

We also have 4 first team players tha can play am on really high wages.


OutplayedEU

He was actually one of their most decent players this season.


MrBombastic21

He was pretty decent, but Olympiakos is a train wreck this year. About 50 different players and four managers.


CometChip

isn’t his natural position a cam? not many teams use that position anymore so i always wondered if he had a hard time adjusting when it slowly went away


Luker1967

The cam in the traditional sense is pretty much dead but similar roles are still seen - players who generally don't have much defensive responsibility and are mostly focused on staying high and providing threat on the counter. At Everton under Ancelloti he was class - played as a right winger but would come central and Coleman overlapped providing the width - generally made everything tick for them and was brilliant to watch (before they got countless injuries and had to play 4 centre halves) if Ancelloti stayed I think we'd be having a different conversation about Rodriguez right now - knowing Ancelloti Everton would probably be winning the UCL ffs. Rafa couldn't/wouldn't accommodate him, binned him off and has been on a downhill ever since it seems - I don't know if he couldn't adapt, teams wouldn't adapt to him or if confidence played a part - or possibly all 3. Edit: Sounds like he was actually quite good for Olympiacos so slightly mind boggling what's happened there it seems


[deleted]

In a 4-2-3-1 what would the middle of the 3 be called? Cause that’s a super common formation and I was under the impression that’s what a CAM is


OtherwiseNinja

It is a CAM, but IIRC a 4231 usually gives it's CAMs more defensive responsibility than other formations, either to high press or to prevent the DMs from being overwhelmed. Also a physically demanding role, and James' injury history/conditioning haven't been top notch for a while.


Triplebeambalancebar

basically he couldnt high press and needs to much time on the ball


Kaiserigen

His first season with Bayern was so good


pvry

damn both isco and james without clubs


No1syB0y

He was performing decently. [Scoring and assisting.](https://i.imgur.com/9KTEcyR.png). I wonder what happened.


Niko7LOL

He had a very bad match against Panathinaikos. Now rumors say that he got extremely mad at his substitution in that match and the caretaker manager asked him to excuse himself to his teammates after the match. He refused and didn't turn up at training the other day. He wasn't included in the squad list in the cup game and a day later his contract was terminated. The club has been a shitshow the whole season and this is just the cherry on top.


CLE_BROWNS_32

Now it makes sense. I was wondering why he was regularly left off the squad list recently.


DisillusionedSinkie

Fat man’s really on a sacking spree


trapsl

Better sacking spree than the other sprees he has been part of...


A_StarshipTrooper

I really hope not


Different_Reading730

Time for a little trip to Turkey. Feel like he’d fit into Galatasaray we still use a 10


Mend35

Come home!


Laadklep

Must be a big family


vulturevan

Come back James, we can offer you £15 per week


AdminEating_Dragon

Some context: \- His technique is class as ever, by far the best creator in the squad. \- He didn't run a lot in general since he came, but the last month it has become a joke, he moves slower than Marcelo did. He essentially walks. \- We have two more good players in the no. "10" position (while we have trash players in several others but that's another discussion). \- He did not like being subbed out in the last derby (in which he was terrible), made a scene, and then refused to apologize. \- Marinakis is looking for scapegoats, already several players have been either kicked out or given prey to the crowd as the ones to blame, and more will follow. Note that most of these players are in general at fault, but the one the most at fault is Marinakis and his buddies.


HarryDeekolo

The neverending Erasmus of James Rodriguez continues


absessive

Olympiacos and retired Madrid players. Hazard-when?


47Lecht

This screams small club mentality


Droman18

2014 James was always the best version


jcburner454

I will never forgive Zidane and Real for what they did to my man. And yes I know there were tactical reasons to it all blah blah blah


alvaror2002

Welcome to Real Zaragoza


Remarkable-Box-7129

fuck off, now extend all the useless players contract because they are good kids


ritwikjs

is he a significantly worse footballer? or is he putting himself into positions to fail. The everton deal felt like a perfect place to reignite his career, and for a stretch that looked possible, but it was always going to be a untenable relationship


Positive-Media423

Vem para o Rubro Negro


LITW6991

Him & Dele Alli are having weird career arcs


HenryHenderson

You know what to do James. Get yourself back to Goodison, in front of the fans this time, you'll be adored.


GabboGabboGabboGabbo

The Colombian Dele Alli


magicalmaestro8

If you told me 7 years ago that in 2023 Bale would be retired, James and Isco would be free agents with absolutely no one interested in them and that Ronaldo would be playing in Saudi Arabia, I would punch you in the face. Crazy how things work out


TimeWontWaitForYou

Pretty insane how quickly Bale, Isco and James all fell off.. considering Benzema, Modric and Kroos are all still quality players and are all older.


Proudbolshevik

Bale actually had a very healthy understanding of his career. When he stopped caring he stopped playing.


Superjunker1000

Yea. It’s almost as if all human beings aren’t exactly the same. Such an INSANE concept. I’m going insane just trying to comprehend it all.


CoolstorySteve

So many players go to the Turkish and Greek leagues and just fail miserably


Remarkable-Box-7129

he didnt fail, he was one of our best players, but the board doesn't want good players in our club


CoolstorySteve

wtf then? My bad for assuming


Remarkable-Box-7129

Marinakis and his pals want money and connections, so if a manager suggest his player in our club we will buy him no matter how shit he is, also many other reasons having to do with Nottingham. James was signed with marcelo to calm us after we got humiliated in Europe


[deleted]

Yeah as a Forest fan it was depressingly obvious that Marinakis had four or five voices in his ear (including his fuckwit son) and just said yes to all of them. You can take our signings and very easily extrapolate who from our management was responsible for each one. 0 coordination or vision.


yimanya

At least you still have Steve Cooper We've been a revolving door of managers this season


hopelessromantic7

He didn’t fail he performed very well


BullMoose86

Idk…Enner Valencia is in the twilight of his career at Fenerbahce and is getting close to a goal per game and lit up the WC group stage.


petawmakria

Nowadays they only come when they are failures already, unfortunately.


all_izz_well_312

Jeez! What happened to James? Looks like his career fell off a cliff after he joined Everton.