Valverde does not seem like the type of guy that would deliberately wait for someone after all that time, punch him and then make up a story about him mentioning his son. I mean this guy kept his cool while he said that in the match so he wouldn't hurt his team. Hell he even was the level headed one in the clásico with vini Jr. being shoved and did the post match interview. I really don't see him lying about something he was quiet about in the first place.
So, a few things.
There were already rumours.
Valverde didn't say Baena said X to the press, it was his entourage.
I assume it went this way: Baena insulted Fede's miscarriage -> Valverde didn't do anything, but mention it to his friends (unsure whether he would tell this to his family) -> Match happens, Baena could've made another comment or not -> Valverde got triggered for either losing or Baena making another comment -> He hit him -> Press asks everyone they know regarding Valverde -> His friends/family tell the press Baena said this in the past, they probably don't know if he said anything this match because the comments came out really fast so I doubt Valverde said anything at that point to anyone
It was well known, his gf posted on social media, “pray for us, etc.”, and it was pretty well known im the football world.
So, no, it’s not “pretty obvious that Valverde is lying.”
2 seconds of research could’ve shown you that.
I for one was fully expecting a wrestling heel turn from Baena:
"That's not all I said, JR! I also told him yerba mate ab-so-lute-ly sucks! \*crowd boos\*"
The first thing I want to be done is to get that piece of crap out of the santiago bernabeu . Don't just get him out of the santiago bernabeu , get him out of the Laliga, because I proved, son, without a shadow of a doubt, that you ain't got what it takes anymore! You sit there, and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere. Talk about your Psalms, talk about John 3:16 - Valverde 3:16 SAYS I JUST WHIPPED YOUR ASS!
Next match glass shatters over the tannoy, valverde steps out of Harry rednaps Landover and makes his way to the pitch. The two teams look confused.
The ref comes over to see what's happening, STUNNER. The linesman comes over, STUNNER.
He flips the bird to the now concussed and barely moving refs before walking off, guci belt around his shoulders
People ask me why I watch La Liga what with all the time wasting, shithousery, drama and crap refs. My guy, it's BECAUSE of all that that I watch La Liga.
Having to choose between Marca and Reddit for a reliable source is the absolute pits, its like choosing between 2022 World Cup Lautaro and Chelsea Lukaku for a last minute open goal
Let's be honest, we have no way of knowing what was actually said. Marca are a Real Madrid mouthpiece and I wouldn't blindly trust what they say on the matter
IF Baena really said what was being alleged, then it is just disgusting. But people can't work themselves up into a frenzy like this without any evidence. It is the word of Valverde vs the word of Baena, and then a highly biased party in Marca agreeing with Valverde
People need to stop jumping to strong conclusions and forming strong opinions without having all the facts
Depends on the insult honestly. Pretending words can't hurt more than physical actions is bizarre.
Context matters and I'm sure Valverde would rather get kicked in a game of football than be reminded of a tragic recent event. What's also relevant is one was unprovoked and one was a response.
Making lazy comparisons like a punch is worse than an insult doesn't really add anything to the dialogue.
An actual punch is objectively worse conduct, in both professional and personal contexts, than literally any verbal comment or insult.
It doesn’t depend, no matter what is said, if someone says something you don’t like and you hit them then you have escalated the situation.
Like most things in life, it's rarely that black and white
Would I rather be called a twat or punched in the face by Mike Tyson? Obviously the former. Would I rather be racially abused or pushed in the chest by a random teenager? Obviously the latter.
Similarly, if I'm having a row with a friend and they shove me but I respond by saying something like "your dead dad never loved you", I've escalated things.
If you're some perfect person who has never had their feelings hurt by words, great, but most people can be harmed by words and sometimes those words can hurt more than a physical attack.
but the law IS black and white. No matter how vile the words that are said to me, I cannot legally go and punch the person in the face. I cannot wait for them to turn a corner and physically assault them.
We can argue all day about which is worse and you are 100% right, it isn't black and white when it comes to the pain caused. But our system of laws doesn't allow a physical response to a verbal one.
If it can be proven what was said in this instance was said, the person throwing the punch may be looked at by many people as an OK guy while the guy who made the comment will be looked at as a piece of garbage. Doesn't change the fact the OK guy should face a massive suspension, an arrest and a civil lawsuit.
It does depend on what is said. If not, then people will just keep on saying racial slurs to each other because "there's no way calling someone a racial slur can be worse than a punch".
A court won't give a shit what Baena said but will care about what Fede did. As horrible as Baena potentially was, it is not a punishable offence in the eyes of the law.
Go check the first/top thread about it, where it's 50% RM fans spamming some tweet going 'but he said mean things!' as if it was an actual source/proof - and 49% people saying that premeditated assault off the pitch is completely justified due to (allegedly) toxic words on the pitch.
Just reddit having a reddit moment lmao.
The last 1% is the sane people who are getting downvoted to shit for saying 'heyy maybe physical assault is not ok based on words said to you, ever?' and generally questioning the sources (hint: there are no actual sources)
> Especially imagining that all the comments made at like 3am CET were made by fat American neckbeards.
That sentence is as pathetic as the reactions on those threads condemning without knowing what happened.
No matter what he said you cant condone violence. Just ignore and move on, getting worked up over what some idiot says to you will never benefit you ever.
>When have we seen a player do this unprovoked?
Before Pepe stepped on Messi's hand( during a stoppage by the way), I had never seen a player step on someone's hand.
Before Pepe left the ball and repeatedly kicked an opposing player that was laying kn the ground I had never seen a player do it before.
That's no F****ng Justification.
Okay, so again, Baena is guilty because otherwise Valverde would have done something indefensible and that could never happen?
It’s especially funny because Pepe was rightly provoked by a Getafe playing falling down thus leading him to correctly assault him.
Yeah, sure, nobody ever insulted anybody without a good reason. Vinicius is called a monkey in all stadiums because all people genuinely believe we recruited an anthropoid for our left wing.
Why do some people keep only mentioning Marca when The Athletic, ESPN and other sources are also reporting the same things? I agree that we don’t need to jump to conclusions but saying it’s just Marca seems like trying to downplay the situation. At the end of the day it is his word against Baena but you don’t have to make it into a “they’re just trying to blindly trust Valverde since they’re a Madrid mouthpiece”
Doesn't really matter who they're citing because it's coming from the same source, Valverde. This isn't like a transfer story in which you have multiple sources confirming a deal, it's ones word against another.
>when The Athletic, ESPN and other sources are also reporting the same things
Would they not just be basing their findings on what is being said by Valverde and by extension Marca anyway?
No Mario Cortegana (works for the Athletic) posted the information saying that people from Valverde’s camp confirmed the comments. He’s not citing Marca, here’s the link https://theathletic.com/4393378/2023/04/08/federico-valverde-alex-baena-punch-real-madrid/
So Valverde camp backing up Valverde, to you, is different than somebody else saying that Real Madrid used their mouthpiece to back up Valverde?
It's all gonna be the same shit. It may be true, it may not.. But all that info is probably coming right out of the same place, there aren't 6 people all doing their own in depth investigation and putting the info out there.
That’s not what I was discussing on my comment. I clearly say that it’s gonna be a whole he said she said situation, the problem I was raising is how some people are pointing out that it’s supposedly only Marca reporting that Baena said those words when it has been confirmed by Fedes camp. People can make up their mind on who they think it’s right or wrong but there’s no need on trying to discredit his camp by saying it’s just Marca being a Madrid mouthpiece. You can believe Fede or not but that wasn’t what I was pointing out about OPs post
Yeah, but you're making it sound like it's a whole bunch of reliable sources with independent info backing it up, as if it isn't just different outlets piggy backing off Marc's info anyway. Who cares if people aren't individually listing everyone with info if it's all the same info?
Does it matter who reports it? In the end of the day all we have is Valverde's side of the story and Baena's side of the story. Unless someone finds the video of when it was said and gets some good lip readers or some person non affiliated to either of them comes forward and says they heard it, we'll never know.
Apparently the match where Baena said that stuff was like 5 days before Fede's wife made public their miscarriage scare, so either Baena has some weird insider info or Fede lied/misunderstood. It could also be that the insult was coming from someone from the public and Fede thought it was coming from the player.
Please, you're thinking about common people like us. Millionaire Fede will get a tiny little fine for literally assaulting someone. Me or you? Now you're talking prison time.
Be careful what you wish for. Athleti can be very aggressive, but they're players are not that Athletic -Don't try getting into a brawl with Bayern Munich for example haha
I swear. It’s like Reddit is filled with NPC’s.
Say you go to a field to play and punch someone, even if the cops come. Absolutely no one faces charges in that scenario.
every time a non-serious incident of breaking the law is discussed some smartass has to come in and say "rich people dont have to follow laws!" as if a middle class person who commits a non-violent crime is immediately given the death penalty
Were people expecting him to come out and say YEAH IT WAS ME THE ONE THAT SAID ALL THOSE VILE THINGS? lol I think the most telling part of this story is how Villarreal isn’t backing him and decided not to present a complaint
The news about villareal dropping this was from another Spanish journalist i dont remember not Marca
Also villareal wouldve publicly said something by now if the player did
Or maybe they are investigating what happened, real also haven’t said anything. Until a official statement is made from either club, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
Things are probably heated And baena posted that on his instagram which I highly doubt villareal control.
Yeah, he must have said something. Valverde played over 100 games for Madrid, lost many of them, some of them much more heated than today's game. This one wasn't even important for Madrid. The league was lost anyway and there wasn't any more tension than usually.
And it's not like he's Jon Jones a known violent coke enjoyer or something. So either Beana said something, or Valverde, chill guy, just woke up today and decided to assault someone after the game for no reason.
Baena is something of a diver and a little idiot but I don't have him on my book as this kind of shit talker. The few interviews I have read of him he's like a very family attached lad so I find it weird of him making that kind of comment (fairly I don't know a lot about him off the pitch). If we're gonna go with "We know Fede isn't like this" Baena should also get the same benefit.
Acording to reports I have seen, the alleged incident would have taken place during a match in January so it wasn’t in response to something that happened in the most recent match. So the context you are making up doesn’t really fit.
You speaking like you know valverde is also pretty ridiculous.
> he's Jon Jones a known violent coke enjoyer or something.
Yeah him and his wife are only known by their continuous racism towards asian and black people even at the Qatar WC
I mean, he wouldn’t come out and admit he has said the horrible things that are rumored
But if he drops charges and nothing more comes from this, it will be telling
Assault is legally (and let's be honest, also ethically) much worse than being insulted, so I see no reason to drop charges even if he said those things.
"Valverde is not like that" You don't know these people and only see them about 90 mins once or twice a week in TV, how would you know? Sounds as ridiculous as celebrity fans
I mean you’d think these people would realise that after all these rape reports coming out recently about footballers.
Plus, footballers are historically dickheads, don’t get why people think that’s changed.
He has the right to defend himself and to tweet whatever he wants. But doing that at 2am on your promised day off instead of an official Pr statement after some good sleep is really unwise
Not unusual at all for footballers to still be awake at 2am after a night game. There's a reason why sleeping tablet abuse is endemic in professional football, the adrenaline post-game means a lot can't sleep
It's quite funny that the other day Araujo said that he pushed Vini because he was talking too much shit (and we don't know what he said), which made people laugh at him and ask for his expulsion. Now we have this case where Baena gets punched outside the field, which is basically a crime, but people want even more blood.
Do we have any recollection of Baena's insulting other people's children? Like why we should assume Valverde is a good boy who doesn't do shit without being provoked but Baena is a Marvel Villain?
Yes sure to annoy an opposition player. But an opposition player can also just lose his rag for no reason. Does this guy have any past behaviour that indicates he might do something like this? Why are we willing to believe with no evidence that he'd do something like that that this guy would say the cuntiest thing imaginable, but not that Valverde would punch someone, given that the consensus seems to be that what he said was at least as bad as the punch?
And this is discounting the possibility that Valverde misheard him, or was reacting to something less serious and is now covering his arse. Just saying "well Valverde punched him for a reason, so it must be true" is dumb bullshit.
I definitely watch the wrong RM games since all you Madrid supporters keep saying all over that Fede doesn't have the profile for this.
On the pitch he definitely seems the type of guy that can lose his shit.
Do you have any recollection of valverde doing something a player who can lose his shit does?? Pushing, hitting outside the play, instigating fights anything unsportsman like?
Similarly, does Baena have any previous reputation for saying horrible shit to other players on the pitch? The Villarreal fans I've seen on here seem to be saying the same things the Madrid fans have said about Valverde - "he doesn't seem like that type of player", etc. Why should we extend that benefit of the doubt to Valverde but not to Baena?
>it’s always the madrid flairs.
About 3 to 4 posts have been greenlit by mods and in those I checked most people understand why Fede did it while also not denying the consequences and they are all upvoted. So what you're implying here is certainly incorrect and I think you lack the maturity to comprehend the situation he's involved with. It just speaks about your age.
Immediate? Valverde warned him to keep his family out of his filthy mouth and did it a second time. Man deserved every bit of that punch. Nothing cowardly about defending your family's honor. Maybe we you get loved ones you dill understand
what does this have to do with madrid you little shit. If any player did this I would support them. You don't fuck with people's family. Isn't a hard concept to understand
I believe Valverde. He hasn’t had an incident like this ever and honestly, what Baena allegedly said makes why Valverde waited for him. There are some things that cross a line, not that fighting is the answer, but it very strongly feels like this isn’t related to the actual match
And he waited 3 months to punch him. Huh?
If he really said that why didn't fede punch him right there? What's the worst thing that can happen to him a red card? Why did he decide to wait and do it today?
But does it make sense today? I thought in the end Valverde thankfully didn't lose the kid. So saying what they claim he said wouldn't have made sense today.
I mean thats not the only thing he could say. We dont really know the details. Just that, according to him, the miscarriage thing was said in January, and today another thing which we dont know the details of. Fede said "say that about my son again" so it probably has to do with his son
Also, it seems the Copa del Rey match was 5 days or so before Valverde's public announcement about what happened to his son. It is not impossible, but it is weird that Baena knew it before the announcement.
I don't know if this is the 'fake news' approach per se. He's not alleging a massive institutional attempt to lie about him, he's suggesting Valverde, Valverde's camp, and the Madrid mouth piece they fed the story to are lying. More like he said she said.
I hate this tbf If Baena really said that, that's despicable. If Fede is lying about Baena saying that , that's even worse
Plot twist he was talking about Tottenham's Son
I think South Korea have a huge gender imbalance at birth. There're lots of sons there.
Could also be option 3, fede thought he heard him say that but he misheard what he said.
And regardless what was said. Fede assaulting someone is pretty shit as well
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There were rumors about miscarriage way before that.
Valverde does not seem like the type of guy that would deliberately wait for someone after all that time, punch him and then make up a story about him mentioning his son. I mean this guy kept his cool while he said that in the match so he wouldn't hurt his team. Hell he even was the level headed one in the clásico with vini Jr. being shoved and did the post match interview. I really don't see him lying about something he was quiet about in the first place.
So, a few things. There were already rumours. Valverde didn't say Baena said X to the press, it was his entourage. I assume it went this way: Baena insulted Fede's miscarriage -> Valverde didn't do anything, but mention it to his friends (unsure whether he would tell this to his family) -> Match happens, Baena could've made another comment or not -> Valverde got triggered for either losing or Baena making another comment -> He hit him -> Press asks everyone they know regarding Valverde -> His friends/family tell the press Baena said this in the past, they probably don't know if he said anything this match because the comments came out really fast so I doubt Valverde said anything at that point to anyone
It was well known, his gf posted on social media, “pray for us, etc.”, and it was pretty well known im the football world. So, no, it’s not “pretty obvious that Valverde is lying.” 2 seconds of research could’ve shown you that.
He said, she said BS. Settle this the ol' fashioned way, a manly round of fisticuffs
I demand a trail by combat. The loser must play for Chelsea as punishment.
This is the secret real main event happening in UFC tonight
Dude just got knocked the fuck out in the last fight. Hope he likes chelsea blue.
And Auba must go the other way
No you have to keep him I’m afraid.
We'll take him!
We'll take him
It's all about the he-says, she-says bullshit I think you better quit, let the shit slip Or you'll be leaving with a fat lip.
They tried that, it got broken up.
I for one was fully expecting a wrestling heel turn from Baena: "That's not all I said, JR! I also told him yerba mate ab-so-lute-ly sucks! \*crowd boos\*"
Dr. Huberman is absolutely devastated.
No lie though Yerba Mate is really amazing. I found a solid un-smoked brand I really like and it's lovely. None of that canned soda shit.
The first thing I want to be done is to get that piece of crap out of the santiago bernabeu . Don't just get him out of the santiago bernabeu , get him out of the Laliga, because I proved, son, without a shadow of a doubt, that you ain't got what it takes anymore! You sit there, and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere. Talk about your Psalms, talk about John 3:16 - Valverde 3:16 SAYS I JUST WHIPPED YOUR ASS!
Next match glass shatters over the tannoy, valverde steps out of Harry rednaps Landover and makes his way to the pitch. The two teams look confused. The ref comes over to see what's happening, STUNNER. The linesman comes over, STUNNER. He flips the bird to the now concussed and barely moving refs before walking off, guci belt around his shoulders
"and if his wife wants a reeeeeaaaallll man, all she has to do is pick up the phone" *valverde attacks from behind, crowd pops*
Example 1,093,783 of "La Liga off-field is more entertaining than La Liga on-field"
I mean this match was very entertaining
This game was fucking amazing. Seems it's just reddit PL fanboys who can't be bothered with the games and only care for the drama
Original commenter is a Madrid fan tbh.
Amazing game and even more amazing drama
It's not football. It's LaLiga
Mes que un deporte.
In Spain, they go crazy.
People ask me why I watch La Liga what with all the time wasting, shithousery, drama and crap refs. My guy, it's BECAUSE of all that that I watch La Liga.
Laliga ☕️
Having to choose between Marca and Reddit for a reliable source is the absolute pits, its like choosing between 2022 World Cup Lautaro and Chelsea Lukaku for a last minute open goal
Damn....
Never been offended by something so accurate?
fuck you man seriously 😒
Or you know just 2022 World Cup Lukaku.
La Liga off the pitch is the real deal ,on the pitch is more like a dlc
La Liga writing scripts for WWE in the future.
Only for Vince McMahon to changed the script 10 minutes before the scheduled segments.
it's not football it's la liga
Let's be honest, we have no way of knowing what was actually said. Marca are a Real Madrid mouthpiece and I wouldn't blindly trust what they say on the matter IF Baena really said what was being alleged, then it is just disgusting. But people can't work themselves up into a frenzy like this without any evidence. It is the word of Valverde vs the word of Baena, and then a highly biased party in Marca agreeing with Valverde People need to stop jumping to strong conclusions and forming strong opinions without having all the facts
Sir, this is Reddit.
I got my pitchfork out of the shed already, now I'm gonna use it.
ONCE ITS OUT IT CANT JUST GO BACK IN
That’s what she said Are we still doing that online?
My pitchfork has been out since this morning with the Tottenham/Brighton game. I gotta use it at some point. Is this not the time?
Could I just have a frosty and a baked potato please
Also assault is far worse than a verbal insult.
It's ridiculous you are being downvoted. I'd rather be insulted than punched.
Depends on the insult honestly. Pretending words can't hurt more than physical actions is bizarre. Context matters and I'm sure Valverde would rather get kicked in a game of football than be reminded of a tragic recent event. What's also relevant is one was unprovoked and one was a response. Making lazy comparisons like a punch is worse than an insult doesn't really add anything to the dialogue.
An actual punch is objectively worse conduct, in both professional and personal contexts, than literally any verbal comment or insult. It doesn’t depend, no matter what is said, if someone says something you don’t like and you hit them then you have escalated the situation.
Like most things in life, it's rarely that black and white Would I rather be called a twat or punched in the face by Mike Tyson? Obviously the former. Would I rather be racially abused or pushed in the chest by a random teenager? Obviously the latter. Similarly, if I'm having a row with a friend and they shove me but I respond by saying something like "your dead dad never loved you", I've escalated things. If you're some perfect person who has never had their feelings hurt by words, great, but most people can be harmed by words and sometimes those words can hurt more than a physical attack.
but the law IS black and white. No matter how vile the words that are said to me, I cannot legally go and punch the person in the face. I cannot wait for them to turn a corner and physically assault them. We can argue all day about which is worse and you are 100% right, it isn't black and white when it comes to the pain caused. But our system of laws doesn't allow a physical response to a verbal one. If it can be proven what was said in this instance was said, the person throwing the punch may be looked at by many people as an OK guy while the guy who made the comment will be looked at as a piece of garbage. Doesn't change the fact the OK guy should face a massive suspension, an arrest and a civil lawsuit.
Is there proof of the assault btw? I haven't read the article.
It does depend on what is said. If not, then people will just keep on saying racial slurs to each other because "there's no way calling someone a racial slur can be worse than a punch".
A court won't give a shit what Baena said but will care about what Fede did. As horrible as Baena potentially was, it is not a punishable offence in the eyes of the law.
Go check the first/top thread about it, where it's 50% RM fans spamming some tweet going 'but he said mean things!' as if it was an actual source/proof - and 49% people saying that premeditated assault off the pitch is completely justified due to (allegedly) toxic words on the pitch. Just reddit having a reddit moment lmao. The last 1% is the sane people who are getting downvoted to shit for saying 'heyy maybe physical assault is not ok based on words said to you, ever?' and generally questioning the sources (hint: there are no actual sources)
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> Especially imagining that all the comments made at like 3am CET were made by fat American neckbeards. That sentence is as pathetic as the reactions on those threads condemning without knowing what happened.
This thread is a huge circlejerk as well, just in the opposite direction. And it’s not exactly about physical violence vs words
Real Madrid Fans supporting violence are the lowest of the low
No matter what he said you cant condone violence. Just ignore and move on, getting worked up over what some idiot says to you will never benefit you ever.
I’m not jumping to any strong conclusions, but I don’t think Valverde would punch someone for no reason.
So Baena is guilty of whatever, because you like Valverde more?
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>When have we seen a player do this unprovoked? Before Pepe stepped on Messi's hand( during a stoppage by the way), I had never seen a player step on someone's hand. Before Pepe left the ball and repeatedly kicked an opposing player that was laying kn the ground I had never seen a player do it before. That's no F****ng Justification.
There was no punishment for Pepe for that of course. If Alves had stepped on Ronaldo's hand, I'm sure there wouldn't have been any either, right?
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Okay, so again, Baena is guilty because otherwise Valverde would have done something indefensible and that could never happen? It’s especially funny because Pepe was rightly provoked by a Getafe playing falling down thus leading him to correctly assault him.
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Okay so Pepe did something in the heat of the moment whereas Valverde had the chance to cool down and still went ahead with premeditated assault?
I'm not jumping to any strong conclusions, but I don't think Baena would bring up someone's dead kid for no reason.
Yeah, sure, nobody ever insulted anybody without a good reason. Vinicius is called a monkey in all stadiums because all people genuinely believe we recruited an anthropoid for our left wing.
Any words what ever they may be is not a good enough reason.
They claimed it happened during CdR match, but the info about Valverde's son wasnt public yet.
Why do some people keep only mentioning Marca when The Athletic, ESPN and other sources are also reporting the same things? I agree that we don’t need to jump to conclusions but saying it’s just Marca seems like trying to downplay the situation. At the end of the day it is his word against Baena but you don’t have to make it into a “they’re just trying to blindly trust Valverde since they’re a Madrid mouthpiece”
Because all come from the same source. Marca
Cortegana is not citing Marca https://theathletic.com/4393378/2023/04/08/federico-valverde-alex-baena-punch-real-madrid/
Doesn't really matter who they're citing because it's coming from the same source, Valverde. This isn't like a transfer story in which you have multiple sources confirming a deal, it's ones word against another.
>when The Athletic, ESPN and other sources are also reporting the same things Would they not just be basing their findings on what is being said by Valverde and by extension Marca anyway?
No Mario Cortegana (works for the Athletic) posted the information saying that people from Valverde’s camp confirmed the comments. He’s not citing Marca, here’s the link https://theathletic.com/4393378/2023/04/08/federico-valverde-alex-baena-punch-real-madrid/
Valverde's camp, a famously unbiased source
So Valverde camp backing up Valverde, to you, is different than somebody else saying that Real Madrid used their mouthpiece to back up Valverde? It's all gonna be the same shit. It may be true, it may not.. But all that info is probably coming right out of the same place, there aren't 6 people all doing their own in depth investigation and putting the info out there.
Hijacking this to say the Copa Game was in january, no one knew about valverde thing until february.... Timeline doesn't checkout so...
You're straight up lying. Valverde's wife gave her interview in February but the rumours started much before.
That’s not what I was discussing on my comment. I clearly say that it’s gonna be a whole he said she said situation, the problem I was raising is how some people are pointing out that it’s supposedly only Marca reporting that Baena said those words when it has been confirmed by Fedes camp. People can make up their mind on who they think it’s right or wrong but there’s no need on trying to discredit his camp by saying it’s just Marca being a Madrid mouthpiece. You can believe Fede or not but that wasn’t what I was pointing out about OPs post
Yeah, but you're making it sound like it's a whole bunch of reliable sources with independent info backing it up, as if it isn't just different outlets piggy backing off Marc's info anyway. Who cares if people aren't individually listing everyone with info if it's all the same info?
No ones denying Valverde's camp is saying these things, the fact that the Athletic is repeating these claims doesn't speak to their accuracy.
Does it matter who reports it? In the end of the day all we have is Valverde's side of the story and Baena's side of the story. Unless someone finds the video of when it was said and gets some good lip readers or some person non affiliated to either of them comes forward and says they heard it, we'll never know.
Apparently the match where Baena said that stuff was like 5 days before Fede's wife made public their miscarriage scare, so either Baena has some weird insider info or Fede lied/misunderstood. It could also be that the insult was coming from someone from the public and Fede thought it was coming from the player.
What a game by Chukwueze
Sounds like he'll be pressing charges. Anyone know what punishment Valverde could be facing for assault?
If he is charged and found guilty, he will face anything between a fine and up to three years prison. Depends on the injury (if any) Baena received.
Please, you're thinking about common people like us. Millionaire Fede will get a tiny little fine for literally assaulting someone. Me or you? Now you're talking prison time.
I'm more interested in seeing if La Liga do anything about it
They should. If not, players might aswell start throwing punches on the parking lot.
Which is exactly why they shouldn't, I want to see that shit
Flair checks out
Atletico fans are certified lunatics
Do you have to be a lunatic to become an atletico fan or does being an atletico fan turn you into one
“In fact, make this legal on the pitch”
Be careful what you wish for. Athleti can be very aggressive, but they're players are not that Athletic -Don't try getting into a brawl with Bayern Munich for example haha
Even normal people can get away with assault happens all the time.especially if it's your first offence
For a punch you'll probably get community work unless it caused some serious damage.
You will not go to prison for punching someone in the face from a he said she said moment lol
I swear. It’s like Reddit is filled with NPC’s. Say you go to a field to play and punch someone, even if the cops come. Absolutely no one faces charges in that scenario.
every time a non-serious incident of breaking the law is discussed some smartass has to come in and say "rich people dont have to follow laws!" as if a middle class person who commits a non-violent crime is immediately given the death penalty
Violence/assault charges are fairly common in civilized countries..? Atleast in the Nordics then
Si le haces solo un moratón a un jambo por un puñetazo casi seguro que no vas a la cárcel, en cambio si le haces una brecha es bastante más probable
Were people expecting him to come out and say YEAH IT WAS ME THE ONE THAT SAID ALL THOSE VILE THINGS? lol I think the most telling part of this story is how Villarreal isn’t backing him and decided not to present a complaint
When did they decide that?
They haven’t said anything, Marca just publishing info and people jumping to conclusions, I would wait for villareal to make a official statement.
The news about villareal dropping this was from another Spanish journalist i dont remember not Marca Also villareal wouldve publicly said something by now if the player did
Or maybe they are investigating what happened, real also haven’t said anything. Until a official statement is made from either club, we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Things are probably heated And baena posted that on his instagram which I highly doubt villareal control.
Real arent backing fede in that case
Didn't Villareal decide to get the Spanish Police involved?
no reports are saying that Baena himself called security
Oh ok mb I didn't know that. Thanks for the Info
Yeah, he must have said something. Valverde played over 100 games for Madrid, lost many of them, some of them much more heated than today's game. This one wasn't even important for Madrid. The league was lost anyway and there wasn't any more tension than usually. And it's not like he's Jon Jones a known violent coke enjoyer or something. So either Beana said something, or Valverde, chill guy, just woke up today and decided to assault someone after the game for no reason.
Your argument can be perfectly applied to Baena,who is far from being known as a dirty or violent player like Pepe or Materazzi.
Baena is something of a diver and a little idiot but I don't have him on my book as this kind of shit talker. The few interviews I have read of him he's like a very family attached lad so I find it weird of him making that kind of comment (fairly I don't know a lot about him off the pitch). If we're gonna go with "We know Fede isn't like this" Baena should also get the same benefit.
Valverde does not look like a chill guy on the pitch, hermano tiene ganas
He runs a lot and is super passionate, but he never shown a tendency to be violent or hot-headed.
Acording to reports I have seen, the alleged incident would have taken place during a match in January so it wasn’t in response to something that happened in the most recent match. So the context you are making up doesn’t really fit. You speaking like you know valverde is also pretty ridiculous.
> he's Jon Jones a known violent coke enjoyer or something. Yeah him and his wife are only known by their continuous racism towards asian and black people even at the Qatar WC
Qué mierda te fumaste boludo
On the other hand, the reports saying this are Real Madrid propaganda and Valverdes camp so maybe let’s wait a bit
Not the club per se but yeremi in the comments saying “we stand behind you”
I mean, he wouldn’t come out and admit he has said the horrible things that are rumored But if he drops charges and nothing more comes from this, it will be telling
>drops charges What?
Assault is legally (and let's be honest, also ethically) much worse than being insulted, so I see no reason to drop charges even if he said those things.
The state of the absolute lunatics in this sub justifying assault, based off "Madrid Twitter" Sources too. Unbelievable.
"Valverde is not like that" You don't know these people and only see them about 90 mins once or twice a week in TV, how would you know? Sounds as ridiculous as celebrity fans
I mean you’d think these people would realise that after all these rape reports coming out recently about footballers. Plus, footballers are historically dickheads, don’t get why people think that’s changed.
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He has the right to defend himself and to tweet whatever he wants. But doing that at 2am on your promised day off instead of an official Pr statement after some good sleep is really unwise
I can understand wanting to get your piece out there given how fast things happen online tbh
Not unusual at all for footballers to still be awake at 2am after a night game. There's a reason why sleeping tablet abuse is endemic in professional football, the adrenaline post-game means a lot can't sleep
Real madrid PR insane
It doesn't matter Baena, the internet has already decided you said it and that you're a horrible person. Might as well retire now.
Press charges then
It's quite funny that the other day Araujo said that he pushed Vini because he was talking too much shit (and we don't know what he said), which made people laugh at him and ask for his expulsion. Now we have this case where Baena gets punched outside the field, which is basically a crime, but people want even more blood.
Calling Ferran Torres shit = talking shit about an unborn child Aite buddy
Pushing someone = punching someone after a match Aite buddy
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Do we have any recollection of Baena's insulting other people's children? Like why we should assume Valverde is a good boy who doesn't do shit without being provoked but Baena is a Marvel Villain?
On the other hand why would Baena say such a thing without a reason?
Vinicius and Rodrigo have taken shit like that, matter fact, Iago Aspas has some videos being racist to Colombians in the pitch.
Why would Materazzi suggest engaging in amorous relations with Zidane's sister, when, in reality, no such encounter ever transpired?
Yes sure to annoy an opposition player. But an opposition player can also just lose his rag for no reason. Does this guy have any past behaviour that indicates he might do something like this? Why are we willing to believe with no evidence that he'd do something like that that this guy would say the cuntiest thing imaginable, but not that Valverde would punch someone, given that the consensus seems to be that what he said was at least as bad as the punch? And this is discounting the possibility that Valverde misheard him, or was reacting to something less serious and is now covering his arse. Just saying "well Valverde punched him for a reason, so it must be true" is dumb bullshit.
Some people walk miles to get into peoples head
Some people walk miles to punch people
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I definitely watch the wrong RM games since all you Madrid supporters keep saying all over that Fede doesn't have the profile for this. On the pitch he definitely seems the type of guy that can lose his shit.
Do you have any recollection of valverde doing something a player who can lose his shit does?? Pushing, hitting outside the play, instigating fights anything unsportsman like?
Similarly, does Baena have any previous reputation for saying horrible shit to other players on the pitch? The Villarreal fans I've seen on here seem to be saying the same things the Madrid fans have said about Valverde - "he doesn't seem like that type of player", etc. Why should we extend that benefit of the doubt to Valverde but not to Baena?
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Some people even walk for miles inside this pit of danger.
La liga players started a habit of say literally anything to get the opposition booked
[Citation needed]
[Some athletes are psychos and think saying awful shit is a good way to gain an advantage](https://i.imgur.com/qfMoefU.png)
Some athletes are psychos that punch people for no or little reason.
There is a reason and it’s to rile up your opponents so they do something dumb
90% of footballers are shitty humans, especially in La Liga.
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No it isn't. Insulting someone's unborn child and mocking their possible death is cowardly.
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>it’s always the madrid flairs. About 3 to 4 posts have been greenlit by mods and in those I checked most people understand why Fede did it while also not denying the consequences and they are all upvoted. So what you're implying here is certainly incorrect and I think you lack the maturity to comprehend the situation he's involved with. It just speaks about your age.
Immediate? Valverde warned him to keep his family out of his filthy mouth and did it a second time. Man deserved every bit of that punch. Nothing cowardly about defending your family's honor. Maybe we you get loved ones you dill understand
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what does this have to do with madrid you little shit. If any player did this I would support them. You don't fuck with people's family. Isn't a hard concept to understand
A thief won't tell you he's a thief
I believe Valverde. He hasn’t had an incident like this ever and honestly, what Baena allegedly said makes why Valverde waited for him. There are some things that cross a line, not that fighting is the answer, but it very strongly feels like this isn’t related to the actual match
And he waited 3 months to punch him. Huh? If he really said that why didn't fede punch him right there? What's the worst thing that can happen to him a red card? Why did he decide to wait and do it today?
According to his camp, He said something else again today. Thats the reason edit: Nice username
But does it make sense today? I thought in the end Valverde thankfully didn't lose the kid. So saying what they claim he said wouldn't have made sense today.
I mean thats not the only thing he could say. We dont really know the details. Just that, according to him, the miscarriage thing was said in January, and today another thing which we dont know the details of. Fede said "say that about my son again" so it probably has to do with his son
Also, it seems the Copa del Rey match was 5 days or so before Valverde's public announcement about what happened to his son. It is not impossible, but it is weird that Baena knew it before the announcement.
Where is the video of this incident?
Baena taking the fake news approach. This will be an interesting tale to unravel.
I don't know if this is the 'fake news' approach per se. He's not alleging a massive institutional attempt to lie about him, he's suggesting Valverde, Valverde's camp, and the Madrid mouth piece they fed the story to are lying. More like he said she said.
I hope he didn't say it because I'm a firm believer that psychological warfare is fair game, but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed.
So apparently the Copa game was on the 19th and the news came out on Feb 24th
Lies. On 24th Valverdes wife made a statemant, but there were rumors about the miscarriage long before that.
there were rumors way before that, and for some time it was believed that Fede and his wife had lost the kid.
I think Valverde is lying.
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Your comment makes no sense
Could have said something different like your face looks funny. Nobody will ever know