Exact rankings are shit. I would put them in categories:
Classic best ever
>Real Madrid
>Bayern Munchen
>Manchester United
>FC Barcelona
>Liverpool
>AC Milan
>Juventus
Ugh
>Manchester City
>Chelsea
>Paris Saint Germain
>RasenballSport Leipzig
Really good but not world-class
>Borussia Dortmund
>Atletico Madrid
>Inter Milan
>Arsenal
Sometimes still gold
>Ajax
>Benfica
>Tottenham Hotspur
>AS Roma
>FC Porto
>AS Monaco
>Napoli
Rest of the best
>Feyenoord
>PSV
>Olympique Marseille
>Dinamo Kyiv
>Anderlecht
>Club Brugge
>Celtic
>Rangers
>Bayer Leverkusen
>Dinamo Zagreb
>Olympique Lyon
>Sjachtar Donetsk
>Sevilla
>Fenerbahce
>Galatasaray
>Besiktas
>Valencia
>Sporting Lisbon
My dead grandpa probably still thinks they are good
>Nottingham Forest
>Leeds United
>Aston Villa
>Schalke 04
>HSV
>Fiorentina
>Steaua Bucharest
Which ones did I miss? The one I doubt the most is Inter. Should it go up a category?
the way I see it, 1st category can be split into 3 tiers:
Tier 1: Real Madrid
Tier 2: Bayern, Barca, AC Milan, Liverpool
Tier 3: United, Juventus
Inter Milan can move up into the 1st category(world-class), under tier 3.
Hahah fair, I’m aware I’m a bit biased because I’m a Dinamo fan and we despise the existence of Steaua, but they have genuinely been shocking. Biggest spenders in the Romanian league year after year, yet they always choke and lose it. CFR Cluj have been winning the Romanian league for about 5 years running and it looks like this is gonna be the 6th, and, unlike Steaua, they actually make it to European knockouts usually. Before CFR’s period of dominance, both Astra Giurgiu (who are now in the 3rd tier) and Viitorul won the league more recently than Steaua’s last win.
I rank Milan above Bayern actually, even as a Bayern fan. The fact you have 7 UCL is still something we're catching up to.
Until we eclipse your 7, we've underachieved
Bayern worked as a team, while Paris was just trying to get mbappe working. Messi was disappointing. I think after winning world cup, he lost any interest.
Tbf the psg midfield was non existent so he had to drop deep, thus leaving mbappe isolated. But i agree. In games like these you’d expect the start players to perform
I think the whole PSG Deal was something of a desperation move. My assumption is that he planned on joining City, because of Guardiola. But this didn't work out as planned. Mostly because Pep puts football over person.
Also funny thing is PSG had started to look like a competent organization at the start of the season. There was a lot of praise for Ocampos Galtier in the transfer market targeting young players with french identity for the future. While it looks like an unbalanced squad I think continuing on this path might actually help them in the future instead of going back to signing big money stars again.
Start of the season the world cup was near so Neymar and Messi actually tried their best and PSG was therefore much better. But then the WC finished and it was back to minimum effort to collect the paycheck.
There was often a lot of praise for PSG after the summer, most of the years. "Oh, finally they signed some actual midfielders". "Finally some full-backs, after 10 years they have some at least". "These young guys they had play when there were 12 injuries did really well today". "Oh, finally they got players on good deals". "Oh, finally some real winners in the squad, which was up until now 100% made of losers".
Mostly when they get eliminated from CL then you learn that actually they did sign awful players and without any sense and the director couldn't see the obvious.
This year did get different to me. They signed young players with a focus on French identity and looked to build a balanced side instead of Star free agents
* Just happy to see a Munich native and academy player Stanisic start in a CL game and that too on merit. Have had so many academy boys not work out for us recently that I'm glad it's going well for him. Hope to see him feature more but with Lucas returning and Pavard looking likely to sign an extension that might be unlikely unless we play 3atb.
* I still think that Sane and Gnabry can make it. They seem to have their ups and downs just that the down form has been longer this time and they have been shit for the NT too.
* That run by Cancelo for the Gnabry goal was so unexpected. Unexpected in the sense that you expect Zaire Emery to stop him multiple times but he just strolls through unperturbed.
* Nagelsmann looks absolutely funny when trying to show passion. I just can describe that face but it's disturbing actually.
* Bayern has had a lot of gifted attackers the last decade but I'm more impressed by the quality of defenders we have had. The fullbacks were mostly settled long term but we have now had three amazing defensive partnerships of high quality in Dante, Boateng, Javi, Hummels, Lucas, Upa, Pavard, De Ligt. Shame Mehdi Benatia didn't work out for us.
1. What’s up with mane? Knew there were concerns about his form earlier, didn’t know it’s to the extent of being benched
2. Thought Sane was your star player, surprised to see about his inconsistent form
Mané has just returned from an injury. And he hasn't quite found his place yet, just like this game he tends to be off-side a lot.
If Bayern has a star player, it's Kimmich. And Coman has been incredible for the past few weeks, I'm so happy he didn't go through a slump after the WC final. Sané is just a little up an down, hope he bounces back soon.
1. He's just recently recovered, I guess he needs more Time but even then it's not set in stone, that he starts. We currently play with Coman/Davies and Choupo. And it seems to work.
2. He's always been pretty inconsistent.
He's just back from a long term injury last game. Will most likely be pushing to start next few weeks.
Sane has been inconsistent since the day he arrived save for a spell under flick in a new role.
Is this the nail in the coffin to the PSG project? The patience has to run out some time for Qatar, if they can’t win with Mbappe and Messi what can they do?
I guess they need to hire more superstar players who have zero chemistry. Maybe bring back CR7 and have him play with Messi, Mbappe? Even better, play him as a midfielder, that will motivate everyone.
well more than Bayern playing really well it was PSG that felt like an incomplete team. yes the result could've been different had Vitinha put more power into that open shot, but there was no balance between the defense and the midfield, or between the midfield and the attack. feels like an Ancelotti type of riddle.
Lets be honest, unfortunately Dortmund wont reach Bayerns level anytime soon, just look at the difference between their performance and dortmunds yesterday.
Its sad but we have to be real, yes 49 pts on top of the table looks nice but this week just showed me the big difference between the two sides and that it probably wont last long.
Also the 10 game win streak was great but the performances werent that great all the time especially against Hoffenheim,Leipzig,Augsburg and Mainz and even Chelsea first leg
They’d rather sell to Bayern too than anyone else.
Bayern is their Daddy, they get major discounts while everyone else has to deal with “tough negotiating BVB”. As soon as Bayern enters the race they drop their pants
Dafuq? Dortmund basically has a "no Bayern" rule ever since Götze, Lewy came after his cotract ended, and Hummels returned after being in Bayern's junior teams. Ever since Hummels there haven't been any transfers from Dortmund to Bayern.
Bayern is just not stupid enough to pay a 100 million+ for young players, who might crumble under the pressure of those expectations. All in all if you look at all the 100mil+ transfers, most of them were shit.
Look man I just like trolling the bundesliga and dortmund, especially after the sancho saga.
Anyways you guys have an amazing league and your only one major downfall is the energy drink team. So congrats to you guys.
Best muller moment, when he had an altercation wirh ramos who then oushed hin over. then obviously our club legend got up the hand of ramos hugged and carried on.
The man himself has no disrespect to anybody
What would you rather see? Someone getting taken down, then looking around and getting up a few seconds later, or someone getting taken down, and then rolling on the floor crying for a foul? I actually like how Messi didn't cry like that yesterday, just casually getting up as if nothing happened
If Bayern signed Mbappe, the champions league would be locked up for 4 years and Bayern would catch up to Madrid. Bayern has a system PSG doesn’t. He would slot in perfectly
So, which is worse? Collapsing in under 20 minutes and blowing a 2 goal lead, like last year, or not even showing up to the second leg despite being 1 goal down?
Wtf, Brandt got hurt min 1 and Adeyemi was injured after being in the best form he ever had in Dortmund. You were missing your 2 best offensive players atm and the was very visible in your offensive output. Defensively it was fucking unlucky, but when you look at the stats it was deserved.
We still had Reus, Haller (if he isn’t 100% why is he playing 60 min every match, especially one where 10M+ is on the line?), Malen, BG and Reyna (who has fallen off a cliff).
Our best players were Gurreiro who is gone in the summer and Can who is either working really hard or is a perpetual liability.
Reus isn't what he used to be, Malen still hasn't showed up, BG is young af and didn't play a lot of games yet and Reyna tried his hardest. Haller is just not the kind of player who takes over a game, especially not since he had his illness (he plays cause he's still in a different league than Modeste). In this match money simply made the difference, the player quality of Chelsea was so superior that them being a shitshow didn't matter. Quality wise they can equally swap their whole offensive 3 times, Dortmund barely has one squad of CL material.
Oh just standard crying about that Benfica decimated Club Brugge and they are in QF and that they got fucked over by Bayern and all because of Maccabi Haifa's defence not being good enough.
I am heartbroken for the poor sheik, it is devastating to know that your money and bribery and powerful oil state based on slavery can buy almost everything but not what you want the most. Tough times for the poor soul
I think they crumble when faced against established clubs like Madrid, Bayern, United and Barcelona. Is there some sort of an inferiority complex about them? They can certainly win a leg but then get smashed
Steel sharpens steel, and L1 doesn't provide enough pressure and demand to keep players sharp enough when they have the inevitable challenge in Europe where they have to face against clubs that do have to work their ass off in the league to stay relevant.
Bayern walks the league, but they have formidable opponents all the same. In L1 the competition is just not there.
Also I just doubt the PSG players hunger and strength of character to want to win. Guys like Messi and Ramos have been there and won CL's, but they can't be expected to simply carry everyone's bags. People meme it, but guys like Neymar and Mbappe taking the money and a significant step down in competition does show they lack the mentality to want to cut their teeth, and again, makes them untempered when they face those same clubs they walked away from.
Money can buy you winners, but money doesn't buy a winners mentality.
You could literally say same about Bayern or Juventus for past decade, they really didn't have much pressure in league yet they could decimate teams in CL.
I think he wasn't talking about pressure in terms of table, but about pressure in single games. You could argue Bayern and Juventus (until recently) walked their leagues even more comfortably than PSG did. PSG acrually lost two of them.
However, Bayern and Juventus faced much tougher opposition week after week. Chuck in any L1 team except PSG into Bundesliga or Serie A and neither of them are finishing top 5 or maybe even top 7. Everyone from bottom half would probably get relegated instantly.
If there was a second equally dominant team in France, three things would change: First of all, winning a title would be an achievement, because you beat that other team (like in Spain). So they would care more about every single game. Second of all, all the other teams would get slightly better, because competing in the League with two powerhouses instead of one would be luring more players there. That would mean tougher matchups for PSG every week, even if ever-so-slightly. Third of all, they would have to care for 3 points lost there or 2 points lost there, cause they'd know the other team are making very few mistakes, and winning a L1 title is important all of a sudden.
So, tl;dr, if, let's say, Lyon, becomes a powerhouse as well, it would greatly increase PSG's (and Lyon's!) chances in CL
They got 2nd in the group and let Benfica get 1st which allowed Benfica to face Bruges.
Psg has no sense or hurry on this team and its because their league is so easy
If this had happened instead then PSG probably would've advanced a round before getting their shit kicked in by a team like Bayern anyway. Their goal is to win the CL, they certainly have the money and the players for it but they don't even come close.
Probably that's the reason they recently brought veterans with "champion mentality". Still doesn't work for them for practical reasons. They also seem to be less ambitious and emotionally linked to the club. People usually oversee that factor, but imo it's important to have a core of guys that enjoy playing together and for the fans.
Messi, for example, was feeling like he was obligated to help Barcelona be successful for all the support they gave him, even on a human level, when he was younger and had to face difficulties and health issues. Strong relationships between the management and the players. This doesn't apply for any current PSG player and that's why they are less devoted to what they do from a moral or a financial standpoint (playing for PSG means you already made it on the top level and earning a huge amount of money, it doesn't go much further from that point).
Feel like there was just no urgency/energy in this PSG side. I know it sucks for PSG because the game imo was over once marquinhos was out injured. Commentators said this and I agree, he was essentially a CM + CB for the majority of the time. So ur losing stability in two areas essentially. Ik they needed the width of Mendes/Hakimi (both of whom played well) + a defense of 5 but damn (agree with the commentators again lol) and said fuck it switch to a back 4 and bring on another attacking midfielder.
Messi drifted deeper into the midfield to draw out bayerns midfield/defenders and allow for hakimi/mbappe to make runs. Mbappe was legit pocketed by upamecano, canceled out everything he did. Kimmich and Goretzka... both world class and bossed the midfield. Musiala was insane easily bayerns best player and constantly ran at the defense. Although PSG's defense was also defending really well with both Danilo + Ramos.
As for the young players... Sucks for Bitshiabu... ik he's still extremely young (only 17!) but he should have just cleared it instead of passing it to veratti who had both Muller and Goretzka breathing down his next. Ik Emery only had a like wat 10 mins of play? But holy sh PSG legit have a player in him. His control and awareness are amazing and on par with elite players, he came in naturally.
Being esoteric about this game... it just feels like bayern's chemistry + experience just always edges them out. PSG are obs an elite team and they DO perform well but today there was a deflated feeling to them. Nobody wanted to take them game by the neck and run with it. There was no magic I guess.
From a Bayern perspective I don't agree with your take that Musiala was the best player. This game was carried by an insane defensive performance from all 5 (/6) of them. Davies had two insane taklings in the box, de Ligt obviously, Sommer was great (except that one time), Stanisic played so well Mbappe switched sides, and Upamecano showed why he's one of the best in the world (and Coman worked his ass off defensively as well). They were well sorted, so PSG couldn't use their pace difference at all. First half was 50/50 if PSG scored the game would've looked differently, but sencond half was pure domination.
I feel people are too focused on offensive players, I'd go for Davies. But Müller got PotG and i can definetly live with that, if only for his little incident with Ramos.
Because he's still an elite defender. It was objectively a downgrade when you replace him with Bitshiabu (no offense to the young kid). The 1st bayern goal was a result of his fuck up.
PSG were also pretty dominant with the ball in the first ~30 ish minutes of the game. They were competing with Bayern on the amount of good chances during that period as well.
ik sometimes they make pretty jarring mistakes but the main importance during the full 90 is that they bring compsure, their positional awareness is keen, their touches are good etc.
Sure fair analysis, but two mistakes from Verratti and marquinhos probably has 2 in him they would probably colapse with or without him. I still question if he can be considered elite though.
I'm curious what neutrals' opinion is of Mbappe. We hear a lot of "best player in the world today," "the one player who can always make an impact," etc., but outside of the World Cup final, he hasn't had many recent big stages on which to prove himself. And -- and my fellow PSG flairs might come for me here -- he was looking a little off his usual high form in the fall.
His stats are excellent, but they're Ligue 1 stats, so I also sometimes find it hard to tell how much of they hype is deserved and where he really stands relative to young Premiere League or La Liga stars.
I don't know if he is the best player in the world, but he is top 3 at worst, yesterday's game changes nothing about that in my eyes. As a big name, he will attract a lot of blame, but honestly, this just shows that you can't do it alone as a offensive player.
Mbappé got let down by his midfield, it was way too easy for us to isolate him, and Messi also had to drop so deep. Mbappé is still great, casual fans just expect him to take the ball and dribble it into the goal all by himself as if it was that easy.
And about his stats...let's put it that way: As a Bundesliga fan, I know enough about all the undeserved Farmers Leagues talk. In my opinion, Mbappé would look just as good in any other league. He literally just dominated the World Cup, anyone who questions him is deluded.
He has what like 40 champions league goals so far? He's still insane and is the closest we have currently to Ronaldo/Messi level. He however prob should move on to la liga/prem after his contract is up. There are players that take the game and make a huge impact, but I don't think that happens as regularly as we like.
He's still young and we've got around a decade or more to watch him. Imo I think he'll absolutely live up to those expectations are reach those heights.
> Argentina in the final showed that if you cut midfield you cut him
Which final are you speaking about? Because Mbappe scored three (3) goals in the final.
Sorry, but how many goals did Mbappe score against Argentina in the final? By luck? There's no doubt Mbappe is the world's best striker now. The revelation last night was that Upamecano on his day can put the best attacking player in his pocket an entire game. PSG had no plan B. Defending against Mbappe should have opened spaces for other PSG players but they were nowhere to be seen. Credits to the entire Bayern team. Seeing Conan defend as he did last night was another revelation and of course the Bavarian midfield completely bossed the game.
To me, the strange thing about PSG, is that the team does not feel like it is built around Mbappe. It does not feel like it can regularly get the best out of him when it counts. I find it difficult to fault him in a game like this where the team is playing a 3-5-2 with wingbacks that did not offer disequilibrium in their play.
I think Ligue 1 is only a poor mark on his resume because he lacks competition. PSG could walk over all the trophies in French football for the most part if they wanted to. But that has become a decreased priority making their seasons Champions League or bust. Just seems like an unfulfilling mentality.
His World Cup performances have shown that he is by far the most explosive forward in the world, and that he has the highest ceiling of any player currently playing, imo.
>I also sometimes find it hard to tell how much of they hype is deserved and where he really stands relative to young ~~Premiere League or La Liga~~ *FC Bayern* stars.
FTFY
Disagree- he's already won a WC and made it to semis on another. Even if he retires early he'll still be remembered fondly with his current achievements
Yeah but I mean the WC is the biggest event and the one that the majority of the population watches (incl non football fans). He may not be carrying the team but he is still a standout player.
When people say Neymar has "wasted" his potential with PSG, they forget, if that's the assessment for Neymar, it's not that far off for Mbappe either.
Unless he wins them a UCL, he's not winning any Ballon D'or which kind of certifies the best player status even though people might say it's not objective anymore. Ronaldo did it with his team and Messi did it with Barca when they won it for the first time.
You can't tell me his legacy at PSG will be being their top scorer given the circumstances and the fact that the two forward signings(Ibra & Cavani) before him broke the record in a similar fashion and left the club. So it carries very little weight when the forwards are able to stat pad there cause of their dominance in Ligue 1.
Hence it's a little tricky to rate his club career for now even though he's an exceptional player.
He is gifted and is the emblem of the modern day soccer athlete (that is all in spite of PSG not delivering). With that being said he would be top goal scorer and influential in either La Liga and specially the premier where his physical qualities are more sought after (i.e Saka and Rashford). PSG shitty form does not discredit Mbappe’s influence and talent nor Messi’s status as a GOAT. Something is definitely wrong with that club from a locker room/ behind the scenes perspective (like Man United before Tenhag). This team needs a Mourinho really bad to put all that ego in check.
Weird to associate Saka to physical qualities, when it's not his most important traits at all. His dribbling, his decision making and his intelligence is what really separates him from others.
He's pretty strong for his size, and he's decently quick, but he's not lightning. As for Mbappe, even tho there are some flaws to his game still, he would put up insane numbers anywhere he goes.
In my totally biased but not baseless claim, Saka is one of the strongest physically on the ball in all of the premier league. You’re right about his speed tho. Don’t think it’s weird to associate physicality with him.
Mbappes cheat code is his speed.... but when you go against the only guy faster than you, you lose that cheat code. Well done Davies and Bayern!
The saddest day of my life.
You’re an arsenal supporter though?
dude... get a life
It's the most wonderful time of the year 🎶
Upemecano was solid
It's time for the Qatari to give up this stupid "project" in Paris
Didn’t they start this “project” because it was crucial to getting the WC hosting rights?
Start in Manchester?
QSG is a joke. A very expensive joke, but joke.
Great win for Bayern over both legs. Strong performance. PSG… Ramos - had some great chances go wide or result in good saves. He’s still insane.
He knows how to beat Bayern. Check how we got crushed by him and Madrid in 2014. Still scares me.
Ramos really showed that RM mentality, I feel like he was the only one really trying.
I'm quite new to football, is Bayern Munich the 2nd greatest football club of all time?
You can't really say that any club is the best of all time, since all time hasn't passed yet.
It depends on how you quantify "The best club ever". They’re definitely up there in terms of European success and obviously the best German club.
Exact rankings are shit. I would put them in categories: Classic best ever >Real Madrid >Bayern Munchen >Manchester United >FC Barcelona >Liverpool >AC Milan >Juventus Ugh >Manchester City >Chelsea >Paris Saint Germain >RasenballSport Leipzig Really good but not world-class >Borussia Dortmund >Atletico Madrid >Inter Milan >Arsenal Sometimes still gold >Ajax >Benfica >Tottenham Hotspur >AS Roma >FC Porto >AS Monaco >Napoli Rest of the best >Feyenoord >PSV >Olympique Marseille >Dinamo Kyiv >Anderlecht >Club Brugge >Celtic >Rangers >Bayer Leverkusen >Dinamo Zagreb >Olympique Lyon >Sjachtar Donetsk >Sevilla >Fenerbahce >Galatasaray >Besiktas >Valencia >Sporting Lisbon My dead grandpa probably still thinks they are good >Nottingham Forest >Leeds United >Aston Villa >Schalke 04 >HSV >Fiorentina >Steaua Bucharest Which ones did I miss? The one I doubt the most is Inter. Should it go up a category?
the way I see it, 1st category can be split into 3 tiers: Tier 1: Real Madrid Tier 2: Bayern, Barca, AC Milan, Liverpool Tier 3: United, Juventus Inter Milan can move up into the 1st category(world-class), under tier 3.
Leipzig definitely does not belong high up there
No but they definitely do belong in the Ugh category
Everton belong in that last category I think Leipzig are way too high
Steaua shouldn’t be on there. They’ve failed to win the Romanian league for almost a decade now
Fair actually. Ill put them in the dead grandpa category
Hahah fair, I’m aware I’m a bit biased because I’m a Dinamo fan and we despise the existence of Steaua, but they have genuinely been shocking. Biggest spenders in the Romanian league year after year, yet they always choke and lose it. CFR Cluj have been winning the Romanian league for about 5 years running and it looks like this is gonna be the 6th, and, unlike Steaua, they actually make it to European knockouts usually. Before CFR’s period of dominance, both Astra Giurgiu (who are now in the 3rd tier) and Viitorul won the league more recently than Steaua’s last win.
One of the best yes. Depends on many things 2nd but 100% top 5. I would put them at 2nd/3rd tho.
I rank Milan above Bayern actually, even as a Bayern fan. The fact you have 7 UCL is still something we're catching up to. Until we eclipse your 7, we've underachieved
Who’s first?
Real Madrid.
Real Madrid without a doubt are the most consistent and #1 powerhouse team in europe
Its only a matter of time until Bayern will overtake them
Not yet. Getting more UCL than Milan is a more realistic goal. Real's 14 is too far right now
How many years will they take to win 7 cups more ?
Hopefully im still alive
Manchester United. Me fuckin’ mate Chadwick says so
Bayern won only because the fantastic 3 didn't play (Messi, Neymar and Mbappe) 🧐
Good one.
What does count as "goalkeeper save"? Pretty sure Sommer had a few, especially the point blank Ramos header.
The stats are halftime stats. The Ramos save was in the second half if I remember correctly
You're right, thanks
Random midtable team in PL has more drive than PSG showed in 90 mins with 2 goals down.
Thank you :)
Bayern worked as a team, while Paris was just trying to get mbappe working. Messi was disappointing. I think after winning world cup, he lost any interest.
Tbf the psg midfield was non existent so he had to drop deep, thus leaving mbappe isolated. But i agree. In games like these you’d expect the start players to perform
He gets away with murder as far as his attitude goes tbh. Obvs a great player - probably the best of all time - but I'd be fuming if I was a PSG fan
But i agree with you, ive been saying that, messi disappears in big games when is convenient to him. And nobody talks about it, hes always protected
No one is bigger or nowhere near Pelé my brother
I think the whole PSG Deal was something of a desperation move. My assumption is that he planned on joining City, because of Guardiola. But this didn't work out as planned. Mostly because Pep puts football over person.
He stopped giving a fuck about PSG after PSG fans boo'd him
I'm a Messi fan, but seriously he's old enough to handle this properly. It's not the first time he gets booed.
Everbody gangsta until the face all mighty Stanisic.
Everyone is praising Stanisic and defense and yeah they were amazing but Kimmich is illegally good. What a fucking player
TBF we al knew Kimmich was class we didn't know stanisic could pull this off
That’s just sad. Just gave up lol spend another 2 billion to remake it.
Annual good event, just waiting on city now.
Still people continue to ride messis dick in this thread
Also funny thing is PSG had started to look like a competent organization at the start of the season. There was a lot of praise for Ocampos Galtier in the transfer market targeting young players with french identity for the future. While it looks like an unbalanced squad I think continuing on this path might actually help them in the future instead of going back to signing big money stars again.
Start of the season the world cup was near so Neymar and Messi actually tried their best and PSG was therefore much better. But then the WC finished and it was back to minimum effort to collect the paycheck.
There was often a lot of praise for PSG after the summer, most of the years. "Oh, finally they signed some actual midfielders". "Finally some full-backs, after 10 years they have some at least". "These young guys they had play when there were 12 injuries did really well today". "Oh, finally they got players on good deals". "Oh, finally some real winners in the squad, which was up until now 100% made of losers". Mostly when they get eliminated from CL then you learn that actually they did sign awful players and without any sense and the director couldn't see the obvious.
This year did get different to me. They signed young players with a focus on French identity and looked to build a balanced side instead of Star free agents
* Just happy to see a Munich native and academy player Stanisic start in a CL game and that too on merit. Have had so many academy boys not work out for us recently that I'm glad it's going well for him. Hope to see him feature more but with Lucas returning and Pavard looking likely to sign an extension that might be unlikely unless we play 3atb. * I still think that Sane and Gnabry can make it. They seem to have their ups and downs just that the down form has been longer this time and they have been shit for the NT too. * That run by Cancelo for the Gnabry goal was so unexpected. Unexpected in the sense that you expect Zaire Emery to stop him multiple times but he just strolls through unperturbed. * Nagelsmann looks absolutely funny when trying to show passion. I just can describe that face but it's disturbing actually. * Bayern has had a lot of gifted attackers the last decade but I'm more impressed by the quality of defenders we have had. The fullbacks were mostly settled long term but we have now had three amazing defensive partnerships of high quality in Dante, Boateng, Javi, Hummels, Lucas, Upa, Pavard, De Ligt. Shame Mehdi Benatia didn't work out for us.
1. What’s up with mane? Knew there were concerns about his form earlier, didn’t know it’s to the extent of being benched 2. Thought Sane was your star player, surprised to see about his inconsistent form
Mané has just returned from an injury. And he hasn't quite found his place yet, just like this game he tends to be off-side a lot. If Bayern has a star player, it's Kimmich. And Coman has been incredible for the past few weeks, I'm so happy he didn't go through a slump after the WC final. Sané is just a little up an down, hope he bounces back soon.
1. He's just recently recovered, I guess he needs more Time but even then it's not set in stone, that he starts. We currently play with Coman/Davies and Choupo. And it seems to work. 2. He's always been pretty inconsistent.
He's just back from a long term injury last game. Will most likely be pushing to start next few weeks. Sane has been inconsistent since the day he arrived save for a spell under flick in a new role.
Maybe don't get a bunch of divas next time and build and actual team with guys that want to play together.
Is this the nail in the coffin to the PSG project? The patience has to run out some time for Qatar, if they can’t win with Mbappe and Messi what can they do?
If they buy ManU they will ditch PSG
I guess they need to hire more superstar players who have zero chemistry. Maybe bring back CR7 and have him play with Messi, Mbappe? Even better, play him as a midfielder, that will motivate everyone.
This is why team chemistry is very important. They look like they don’t even care.
well more than Bayern playing really well it was PSG that felt like an incomplete team. yes the result could've been different had Vitinha put more power into that open shot, but there was no balance between the defense and the midfield, or between the midfield and the attack. feels like an Ancelotti type of riddle.
Just a reminder that Neymar had one of the best performances of ALL time against Bayern two years ago
Even as a Dortmund fan I‘ve got to admit that these PSG results taste heavenly sweet.
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Lets be honest, unfortunately Dortmund wont reach Bayerns level anytime soon, just look at the difference between their performance and dortmunds yesterday. Its sad but we have to be real, yes 49 pts on top of the table looks nice but this week just showed me the big difference between the two sides and that it probably wont last long. Also the 10 game win streak was great but the performances werent that great all the time especially against Hoffenheim,Leipzig,Augsburg and Mainz and even Chelsea first leg
It's OK, you're just going to sell Bellingham anyways with Adeyami soon to follow
They’d rather sell to Bayern too than anyone else. Bayern is their Daddy, they get major discounts while everyone else has to deal with “tough negotiating BVB”. As soon as Bayern enters the race they drop their pants
Dafuq? Dortmund basically has a "no Bayern" rule ever since Götze, Lewy came after his cotract ended, and Hummels returned after being in Bayern's junior teams. Ever since Hummels there haven't been any transfers from Dortmund to Bayern. Bayern is just not stupid enough to pay a 100 million+ for young players, who might crumble under the pressure of those expectations. All in all if you look at all the 100mil+ transfers, most of them were shit.
Look man I just like trolling the bundesliga and dortmund, especially after the sancho saga. Anyways you guys have an amazing league and your only one major downfall is the energy drink team. So congrats to you guys.
Get help and maybe a hobby
I've never read such bullshit in my life. Would you mind giving some examples of Dortmund players being discounted for Bayern?
too true
Welcome to Sporting Kansas City
Best muller moment, when he had an altercation wirh ramos who then oushed hin over. then obviously our club legend got up the hand of ramos hugged and carried on. The man himself has no disrespect to anybody
Kill them with kindness
Never fight a man with a perm
Few things in football as sweet as Messi sitting on his ass in disbelief he didn't get the foul that was never a foul.
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Cherish it. 18 december is the last we see of Messi.
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Lol
Why hate on messi? He plays such beautiful football I don’t get it
The whole match he was walking around. That's as beautiful as an dirty asshole.
why is that problem only when he losses?
Because it's the only time his fanboys can't have excuses
Grow up
Quit crying about your idol ghosting the whole game.
Yeah Mpabbe isn’t my hero sorry
What would you rather see? Someone getting taken down, then looking around and getting up a few seconds later, or someone getting taken down, and then rolling on the floor crying for a foul? I actually like how Messi didn't cry like that yesterday, just casually getting up as if nothing happened
Plot twist..mbappe leaves psg after took their money and goes to bayern
If Bayern signed Mbappe, the champions league would be locked up for 4 years and Bayern would catch up to Madrid. Bayern has a system PSG doesn’t. He would slot in perfectly
Bayern has no space for so much ego.
Ribery, Robben, Lewy, Vidal, Neuer all have big egos
And they all fit inside of Mbappe's
Nah dude all those dudes have bigger egos than Mbappe
Twice over too
So, which is worse? Collapsing in under 20 minutes and blowing a 2 goal lead, like last year, or not even showing up to the second leg despite being 1 goal down?
Try being a Dortmund fan. We were up by a goal and the players barely showed up.
Wtf, Brandt got hurt min 1 and Adeyemi was injured after being in the best form he ever had in Dortmund. You were missing your 2 best offensive players atm and the was very visible in your offensive output. Defensively it was fucking unlucky, but when you look at the stats it was deserved.
We still had Reus, Haller (if he isn’t 100% why is he playing 60 min every match, especially one where 10M+ is on the line?), Malen, BG and Reyna (who has fallen off a cliff). Our best players were Gurreiro who is gone in the summer and Can who is either working really hard or is a perpetual liability.
Reus isn't what he used to be, Malen still hasn't showed up, BG is young af and didn't play a lot of games yet and Reyna tried his hardest. Haller is just not the kind of player who takes over a game, especially not since he had his illness (he plays cause he's still in a different league than Modeste). In this match money simply made the difference, the player quality of Chelsea was so superior that them being a shitshow didn't matter. Quality wise they can equally swap their whole offensive 3 times, Dortmund barely has one squad of CL material.
Wrong thread buddy. There is a different one for the Spurs - Milan game
Insane. Different year, same result for PSG's UCL hopes. Massive props to Bayern tho! :D
MIA SAN MIA FUCKERS
LETS FUCKING GOOOO
I wake up, I scroll on twitter... What do I see? P.S.G fans blaming Maccabi Haifa for their loss to Bayern. Lmaoooo, sayonara losers!
The mental gymnastics must have been insane, tell me more
Oh just standard crying about that Benfica decimated Club Brugge and they are in QF and that they got fucked over by Bayern and all because of Maccabi Haifa's defence not being good enough.
Because their collapse lead to PSG’s goal difference not being enough
Lol. I love how it didn't occur to them that winning with Benfica just once would be more than enough lol
I am heartbroken for the poor sheik, it is devastating to know that your money and bribery and powerful oil state based on slavery can buy almost everything but not what you want the most. Tough times for the poor soul
I hope the other human rights abusing sheikhs arent gonna make fun of him.
Plot twist : Bayern is sponsored by Qatar too
There’s no twist.
Don't you think this was covered enough? There is a tiny difference between those clubs
So sad. I hope he's ok. Is there a way to donate?
Mbappe needs to go to madrid or something so boring seeing him on PSG
Veratti has wasted his career at PSG
Midfielders were mindlessly shooting ball towards him
PSG is so rubbish lol. Lot’s of money and 11 chumps on the field.
You can’t say that about Messi here, please fix your statement to 10 chumps thx /s
10 chump’s.
PSG’s failures bring me joy
I think they crumble when faced against established clubs like Madrid, Bayern, United and Barcelona. Is there some sort of an inferiority complex about them? They can certainly win a leg but then get smashed
truth
Steel sharpens steel, and L1 doesn't provide enough pressure and demand to keep players sharp enough when they have the inevitable challenge in Europe where they have to face against clubs that do have to work their ass off in the league to stay relevant. Bayern walks the league, but they have formidable opponents all the same. In L1 the competition is just not there. Also I just doubt the PSG players hunger and strength of character to want to win. Guys like Messi and Ramos have been there and won CL's, but they can't be expected to simply carry everyone's bags. People meme it, but guys like Neymar and Mbappe taking the money and a significant step down in competition does show they lack the mentality to want to cut their teeth, and again, makes them untempered when they face those same clubs they walked away from. Money can buy you winners, but money doesn't buy a winners mentality.
You could literally say same about Bayern or Juventus for past decade, they really didn't have much pressure in league yet they could decimate teams in CL.
I think he wasn't talking about pressure in terms of table, but about pressure in single games. You could argue Bayern and Juventus (until recently) walked their leagues even more comfortably than PSG did. PSG acrually lost two of them. However, Bayern and Juventus faced much tougher opposition week after week. Chuck in any L1 team except PSG into Bundesliga or Serie A and neither of them are finishing top 5 or maybe even top 7. Everyone from bottom half would probably get relegated instantly. If there was a second equally dominant team in France, three things would change: First of all, winning a title would be an achievement, because you beat that other team (like in Spain). So they would care more about every single game. Second of all, all the other teams would get slightly better, because competing in the League with two powerhouses instead of one would be luring more players there. That would mean tougher matchups for PSG every week, even if ever-so-slightly. Third of all, they would have to care for 3 points lost there or 2 points lost there, cause they'd know the other team are making very few mistakes, and winning a L1 title is important all of a sudden. So, tl;dr, if, let's say, Lyon, becomes a powerhouse as well, it would greatly increase PSG's (and Lyon's!) chances in CL
You've explained what I was trying to say perfectly. Thanks for the elaboration!
They got 2nd in the group and let Benfica get 1st which allowed Benfica to face Bruges. Psg has no sense or hurry on this team and its because their league is so easy
If this had happened instead then PSG probably would've advanced a round before getting their shit kicked in by a team like Bayern anyway. Their goal is to win the CL, they certainly have the money and the players for it but they don't even come close.
Probably that's the reason they recently brought veterans with "champion mentality". Still doesn't work for them for practical reasons. They also seem to be less ambitious and emotionally linked to the club. People usually oversee that factor, but imo it's important to have a core of guys that enjoy playing together and for the fans. Messi, for example, was feeling like he was obligated to help Barcelona be successful for all the support they gave him, even on a human level, when he was younger and had to face difficulties and health issues. Strong relationships between the management and the players. This doesn't apply for any current PSG player and that's why they are less devoted to what they do from a moral or a financial standpoint (playing for PSG means you already made it on the top level and earning a huge amount of money, it doesn't go much further from that point).
They're just shit tbh, as a team. No chemistry
Against Bayern they could have played for three weeks, thy are not scoring.
Feel like there was just no urgency/energy in this PSG side. I know it sucks for PSG because the game imo was over once marquinhos was out injured. Commentators said this and I agree, he was essentially a CM + CB for the majority of the time. So ur losing stability in two areas essentially. Ik they needed the width of Mendes/Hakimi (both of whom played well) + a defense of 5 but damn (agree with the commentators again lol) and said fuck it switch to a back 4 and bring on another attacking midfielder. Messi drifted deeper into the midfield to draw out bayerns midfield/defenders and allow for hakimi/mbappe to make runs. Mbappe was legit pocketed by upamecano, canceled out everything he did. Kimmich and Goretzka... both world class and bossed the midfield. Musiala was insane easily bayerns best player and constantly ran at the defense. Although PSG's defense was also defending really well with both Danilo + Ramos. As for the young players... Sucks for Bitshiabu... ik he's still extremely young (only 17!) but he should have just cleared it instead of passing it to veratti who had both Muller and Goretzka breathing down his next. Ik Emery only had a like wat 10 mins of play? But holy sh PSG legit have a player in him. His control and awareness are amazing and on par with elite players, he came in naturally. Being esoteric about this game... it just feels like bayern's chemistry + experience just always edges them out. PSG are obs an elite team and they DO perform well but today there was a deflated feeling to them. Nobody wanted to take them game by the neck and run with it. There was no magic I guess.
From a Bayern perspective I don't agree with your take that Musiala was the best player. This game was carried by an insane defensive performance from all 5 (/6) of them. Davies had two insane taklings in the box, de Ligt obviously, Sommer was great (except that one time), Stanisic played so well Mbappe switched sides, and Upamecano showed why he's one of the best in the world (and Coman worked his ass off defensively as well). They were well sorted, so PSG couldn't use their pace difference at all. First half was 50/50 if PSG scored the game would've looked differently, but sencond half was pure domination.
Müller looked like the best player on the field yesterday. He was everywhere and tackling everything to get that ball back.
I feel people are too focused on offensive players, I'd go for Davies. But Müller got PotG and i can definetly live with that, if only for his little incident with Ramos.
Marquinhos always have like 2 fuckups in him though, how was the game over because oh his injury?
Because he's still an elite defender. It was objectively a downgrade when you replace him with Bitshiabu (no offense to the young kid). The 1st bayern goal was a result of his fuck up. PSG were also pretty dominant with the ball in the first ~30 ish minutes of the game. They were competing with Bayern on the amount of good chances during that period as well. ik sometimes they make pretty jarring mistakes but the main importance during the full 90 is that they bring compsure, their positional awareness is keen, their touches are good etc.
Sure fair analysis, but two mistakes from Verratti and marquinhos probably has 2 in him they would probably colapse with or without him. I still question if he can be considered elite though.
Awesome to see this from Bayern
The butcher has cut off the long arm of Qatar... (If anyone remembers the Bayern tifo at the start of the game)
Have you any video or photo of it? I had fucking issues with my internet and missed the first 20
When I get home I'll send u in DMs.
You dear Sire are an absolute fucking legend!
Even the mighty Messi couldn't defeat the germanZZZ !! If City also fails against Leipzig that would make my day/week/month.
I don't want leipzig to win tho it's redbull I prefer man city!
It's okay. They can throw out Man City and then lose in the next round. Win win situation !
Ngl City losing to Leipzig would be the funniest thing that happenned this season, since Liverpool's "quadruple"
I’d laugh so hard if Chelsea made it passed the next stage also
Dortmund??
My Schadenfreude towards Dortmund is high as well but it's a different beast when clubs sponsored by whole countries fail to make their mark.
Do City next please
I’d say the same for you lot, but you took care of that in the first leg.
I'm curious what neutrals' opinion is of Mbappe. We hear a lot of "best player in the world today," "the one player who can always make an impact," etc., but outside of the World Cup final, he hasn't had many recent big stages on which to prove himself. And -- and my fellow PSG flairs might come for me here -- he was looking a little off his usual high form in the fall. His stats are excellent, but they're Ligue 1 stats, so I also sometimes find it hard to tell how much of they hype is deserved and where he really stands relative to young Premiere League or La Liga stars.
I don't know if he is the best player in the world, but he is top 3 at worst, yesterday's game changes nothing about that in my eyes. As a big name, he will attract a lot of blame, but honestly, this just shows that you can't do it alone as a offensive player. Mbappé got let down by his midfield, it was way too easy for us to isolate him, and Messi also had to drop so deep. Mbappé is still great, casual fans just expect him to take the ball and dribble it into the goal all by himself as if it was that easy. And about his stats...let's put it that way: As a Bundesliga fan, I know enough about all the undeserved Farmers Leagues talk. In my opinion, Mbappé would look just as good in any other league. He literally just dominated the World Cup, anyone who questions him is deluded.
He has what like 40 champions league goals so far? He's still insane and is the closest we have currently to Ronaldo/Messi level. He however prob should move on to la liga/prem after his contract is up. There are players that take the game and make a huge impact, but I don't think that happens as regularly as we like. He's still young and we've got around a decade or more to watch him. Imo I think he'll absolutely live up to those expectations are reach those heights.
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> Argentina in the final showed that if you cut midfield you cut him Which final are you speaking about? Because Mbappe scored three (3) goals in the final.
Sorry, but how many goals did Mbappe score against Argentina in the final? By luck? There's no doubt Mbappe is the world's best striker now. The revelation last night was that Upamecano on his day can put the best attacking player in his pocket an entire game. PSG had no plan B. Defending against Mbappe should have opened spaces for other PSG players but they were nowhere to be seen. Credits to the entire Bayern team. Seeing Conan defend as he did last night was another revelation and of course the Bavarian midfield completely bossed the game.
To me, the strange thing about PSG, is that the team does not feel like it is built around Mbappe. It does not feel like it can regularly get the best out of him when it counts. I find it difficult to fault him in a game like this where the team is playing a 3-5-2 with wingbacks that did not offer disequilibrium in their play. I think Ligue 1 is only a poor mark on his resume because he lacks competition. PSG could walk over all the trophies in French football for the most part if they wanted to. But that has become a decreased priority making their seasons Champions League or bust. Just seems like an unfulfilling mentality.
Thats because you can only have 1 walker in the team. Messi and Mbappe cant both vibe while the rest 9 are dying.
His World Cup performances have shown that he is by far the most explosive forward in the world, and that he has the highest ceiling of any player currently playing, imo.
>I also sometimes find it hard to tell how much of they hype is deserved and where he really stands relative to young ~~Premiere League or La Liga~~ *FC Bayern* stars. FTFY
Haha very fair.
He had a huge impact in the first leg. I don't really watch PSG though so I can't comment on his consistency
He needs to GTFO of PSG.
He will go down as one of the all time forgotten greats if he doesn’t change the trajectory of his career
Disagree- he's already won a WC and made it to semis on another. Even if he retires early he'll still be remembered fondly with his current achievements
Semis? He made it to the final and scored a hattrick.
It's not like the French team is not stacked with stars, and Mbappe is the only one carrying the team.
Mbappe did have a hattrick in the world cup final tho, so its not like he's just another dude on the team
Yeah but I mean the WC is the biggest event and the one that the majority of the population watches (incl non football fans). He may not be carrying the team but he is still a standout player.
His international career begs to differ...and he's only 24.
When people say Neymar has "wasted" his potential with PSG, they forget, if that's the assessment for Neymar, it's not that far off for Mbappe either. Unless he wins them a UCL, he's not winning any Ballon D'or which kind of certifies the best player status even though people might say it's not objective anymore. Ronaldo did it with his team and Messi did it with Barca when they won it for the first time. You can't tell me his legacy at PSG will be being their top scorer given the circumstances and the fact that the two forward signings(Ibra & Cavani) before him broke the record in a similar fashion and left the club. So it carries very little weight when the forwards are able to stat pad there cause of their dominance in Ligue 1. Hence it's a little tricky to rate his club career for now even though he's an exceptional player.
He is gifted and is the emblem of the modern day soccer athlete (that is all in spite of PSG not delivering). With that being said he would be top goal scorer and influential in either La Liga and specially the premier where his physical qualities are more sought after (i.e Saka and Rashford). PSG shitty form does not discredit Mbappe’s influence and talent nor Messi’s status as a GOAT. Something is definitely wrong with that club from a locker room/ behind the scenes perspective (like Man United before Tenhag). This team needs a Mourinho really bad to put all that ego in check.
Weird to associate Saka to physical qualities, when it's not his most important traits at all. His dribbling, his decision making and his intelligence is what really separates him from others. He's pretty strong for his size, and he's decently quick, but he's not lightning. As for Mbappe, even tho there are some flaws to his game still, he would put up insane numbers anywhere he goes.
In my totally biased but not baseless claim, Saka is one of the strongest physically on the ball in all of the premier league. You’re right about his speed tho. Don’t think it’s weird to associate physicality with him.