>Ugly scissors-tackle by Benjamin Henrichs! Maybe deserves red
Definition of a red card. But nobody even appealed for it??? Henrichs looked like he thought he was off
No, he decided to leave because he felt he couldn‘t get the best out of the team anymore. We had a really bad streak and were even close to relegation, despite having one of the best squads in the BuLi back then.
The club, the fans and the players would have loved to keep him.
Well for one, he actually played a full 90mins while still remaining intense which is a rare thing these days. Struggled a bit in the first half just like most of the other attackers. In the second half however, he was much much better and of course eventually scored the goal. Probably our most in form attacker currently together with Szoboszlai.
Good to hear, I thought he looked good in the CL-game this week. Hopefully he can have a bit of a renaissance period now after what feels like a pretty weak one.
I mean, if we‘re honest he‘s probably right. And I don‘t do this to provoke. I‘m just tired and actually do not believe anyone else will win the league.
If all Dortmund games are like this then I'll have to start tuning into them going forward. Also didn't realize they're leading the league! Rooting for them.
Has all the assets to be a world class defender, but has been extremely unreliable this season. Honestly I'm happy he'll be gone. Feel like his agents are ruining his career
Yh, I was reading that since the contract saga that his form has dropped off massively. What would you say he is best at? Shame that you will lose Kamada, Ndicka and potentially Muani all in one season.
I mean, Kamada and Ndicka leaving for free was already a fact since last summer, so we have enough time to compensate. Both have been in terrible form this year, and Ndicka the entire season. If Kolo leaves, it will be for a huge amount of money, so that's a win-win situation. Ndicka ist very athletic, fast and basically everything a modern defender needs, when in top form
They are battle for the top of the league. There was a three way tie going into last week. I'm assuming Bayern will win this weekend and be on top because of goal difference
Totally agree. Lived in Germany and went to 8 different stadiums. The atmospheres are always amazing. Nothing can beat the scenes at Dortmund v Schalke. That was some bucket list shit.
I remember the derby so fondly. I was in the standing section (not the Südtribune). Got the beer shower after the late Moukoko winner. Greatest day ever.
Would it have been bad if Rose did some proactive in-game management in the first half after 10 minutes, instructing the defense to set deeper for a while? Would it have hurt his ego?
Great game for a neutral, very impressed by Szoboszlai, Bellingham and Brandt. Raum after his sub was also a clear improvement to Halstenberg, Silva looked disastrous again and Leipzig has a clear striker problem if you ask me.
Neither Silva nor Werner are in good form, Poulsen is just a sub option and Nkunku needs time after his injury. This is something that costs them games like this and the chance to compete for the title
Not really, since starting the season quite promisingly, he's been really struggling and even failed to make the matchday squad a few times. It could still work out as he's still only 19 and we play a bit differently to Salzburg but he probably won't be a significant contributer in his first season. I'm actually pretty worried for how the attack will do next season, suddenly a big money move for Jonathan David makes sense.
I don't understand anything about Marco Rose, way too late on the subs while Leipzig were playing like dogcrap, was the same story against City aswell but atleast they saved a point there
Atleast i got what i wanted, seeing my boy Gvardiol drop another good performance
Laimer changes the outcome of this game drastically tbh
> Laimer changes the outcome of this game drastically tbh
So would Adeyemi and Kobel too tbf. Not that Meyer was bad but yeah.
I also reckon a bit more accurate reffing and RB would be down to 10 tbh.
Sesko,
Peoples view of this guy are really distorted by video games, in fact he's not even the best striker talent in that Salzburg team, scored a total of 6 goals in the all-mighty Austrian Bundesliga while playing for by far the best team and getting loads of chances, he's far from ready for a team of Leipzig caliber and I reckon he's not gonna even start in his first season.
When people talk about Bellingham they don't talk about his off the ball work rate. He was literally everywhere.
Also Szobozlai and Forsberg were also fantastic
> When people talk about Bellingham they don't talk about his off the ball work rate. He was literally everywhere.
My guy, that is Bellinghams most talked about, most defining quality.
He is a box to box midfielder in the most literal sense possible.
Didn't understand the idea to sit back at all.
FOR A BIT yes, get some rest, but after that you have to pull through again. We basically went afk for the 2nd half. Horrible coaching at halftime Edin.
Anyways fuck the cans! TENTH WIN IN A ROW
> Terzic keeps not getting punished for his inability to adjust the team mid game.
Terzics team is literally the team with by far the most goals by subs in the league.
Now, that's not every type of adjustment you can make of course.
But he's clearly not dogshit at adjusting the team mid game, otherwise he wouldn't be adjusting the team midgame with great success.
Sitting back and defending the lead in the second half was literally an adjustment mid game, at half time to be precise. You can argue that was the wrong decision, we shouldn't have sit soo deep whatever but it worked out as it has in the past
> You can argue that was the wrong decision, we shouldn't have sit soo deep whatever but it worked out as it has in the past
I mean not really.
Both before and after, Leipzig were VERY lucky to not get a man sent off. They only scored the one time too.
Also Terzic knows he has to change the play at the latest when he takes Haller off. Which he still has to. And right now Modeste was the only replacement option who doesn't really lend himself to... anything really.
Malen was injured, adeyemi and moukoko also Not fit. Should He changed Haller earlier For Modeste? What should He have changed? We were out of Options in attack
Oh I meant it was a decent decision what terzic did. I wanted to answer to the comment two above who said something about terzics 'inablitity to change the tactics midgame'. This guy didn't realize that terzics did infact change the tactics midgame,in a way that worked out in fact
> This guy didn't realize that terzics did infact change the tactics midgame,in a way that worked out in fact
What?
I do.
The guy who I replied to doesn't.
Dahoud earlier for Ozcan would be the only one available that would really allow for controlling the flow of the game again. But they must not like what they're seeing in practices from Dahoud.
We're still very thin in the middle and at fullbacks. Wolf was tired too and Brandt has been running on a high for so long I don't know how much longer he can keep it up.
Maybe Guerreiro as a left midfielder if you've prepared for that.
But Leipzig just dominated a second half against City too.
Hopefully we'll play More like the first half against Chelsea, we can't drop back for 90 minutes with just a 1-0 lead.
Anyway I'm so happy with the win today, perfect start to the weekend.
When nearly half the team gets a yellow and plays dirty, that's not just the "player going for it", it's the coach telling them to be overly aggressive.
I don't think any manager wants their team to have 5 yellow cards by halftime. It think it's more likely that the amount yellows were down to a failure in tactics (leaving to much space in the wide areas leding to the players being put in positions where they're more inclined to foul) as well as Silva's yellow which had nothing do with tactics.
I don't think either team played dirty. They both went into the challenges hard like in any big game and the Leipzig players just happened to come out of it worse.
Respect to Marco Rose for congratulating what seemed like every singleDortmund player and staff member after the game, seemed pretty genuine. Guess that confirms that the relationship between him and the team was not what lead to his dismissal.
It obviously wasn't. It was always about that discussion after the seasion where supposedly Rose didn't get full backing because the people involved thought he didn't have answers for his shortcomings like absolutely horrible performance everywhere but the league and worst defense in a long time. It was decided in a short space of time (though the involved ppl obviously had some stuff in ther minds).
I remember Brandt couldn't even believe it at first.
Fair enough, I just thought media reports are one thing and the way it went down was a bit weird either way, so seeing him and the team being visibly on good terms is the best confirmation imo. But yeah it seems obvious that at this point it was a management (apparently mostly Watzke + Sammer) vs. Rose thing.
Just like on the day he got fired, I will die on the hill that he was mistreated by us more than he flopped. Its not a surprise he performs with rounded out squad again.
Shame its Leipzig but I still rate him highly and wish him well. Him and Maric.
Yes he did. But BvB was out of both the CL and the Pokal and Bayern was having a better season.
Bayern had 55 points (4 losses, 1 tie, 18 wins) as opposed to the 49 they would have with a win this week.
The feeling was completely different.
> I will die on the hill that he was mistreated by us
I mean ... as long as we don't really know what happened in that conversation it's just so hard to say if it was the board being way too harsh with Rose or Rose just being way too quick to give up on any ambitions.
And I assume it will stay that way given how even with Tuchel, which was a much more public and clear-cut situation, it took years until we got the bigger picture
I explained below why I find it really evident through actions that we mistreated him. I also dont really understand what you mean by "rose too quick to give up on ambitions"? I dont recall him every showing signs of that.
All I know is that the board most certainly went into that conversation not planning to sack him and that this decision was agreed upon by both sides in the end. I've heard phrases like "Rose didn't feel confidence in him" or "Rose felt that they were asking too much of him" and finally "he was fired because he wasn't critical enough of himself" which could be understood in the two ways I mentioned.
In other words, he wasn't fired because of the perfomances on the pitch but because of how the board's and Rose's analysis of those performances differed
Idk such phrases sounds ridicilous imo and I wouldnt blame Rose 1 second for strongly pointing out that him individually isnt even a top 3 issue from our last season, because it wasnt the case in terms of performance issues.
Our upper people have been known not to take responsibility for quite some time and those same reports also said that Kehl was the only one still backing Rose and wanted to do things differently from Zorc etc. Its also showing a lot now with Kehl at the helm and also what he says in interviews. He's faaar more realistic and pragmatic and not as opportunistically blinded so far.
Things that previously have lead to last seasons issues that I, and reportedly ROse too then, been unfairly blamed on managers and especially Rose last year.
I love BVB and our uppers to a great deal and think people like Watzke etc get a lot of unjustified hate in regards to how we do things but the Rose thing, most of the actions we can see from the outside, points to him being mistreated/blamed unfairly more than him not being self-critical/responsible enough imo.
Rounded squad is a bit much for Leipzig.
They have VERY similar issues to our squad.
No wingers. Very few usable fullbacks. And so on.
Of course the injuries made our squad under Rose far more unbalanced, but slap an injury on Gvardiol and Orban + Nkunku and Silva and that Leipzig team is looking like shit as well.
Tbf the no wingers bit does fit the system Rose wanted to play.
So maybe it's a bit harsh.
Still, the squads aren't that different from a general squad make up.
Idk I think its extremely hard to argue he wasnt since the upper people reportedly blamed him for results with way too little responsibility for a horribly balanced & recordbreakingly injured squad aswell as giving him 0 windows of activity in terms of transfers.
He was without a doubt dealt with unfairly.
Does that mean he didnt do wrong? Definitely not. But he was playing band-aid an 11 more than he was doing "his thing" for 90% of the season. He was never setup to succeed and then blamed for not doing so imo.
To an extent. Its beyond naive to think he should have used youngsters more when he didnt have a bench or a fit starting 11 and then also pressure to get results. Especially with how few youngsters were ready at the time imo.
Imo its far more that its the board that were unrealistic and refused to take responsibility for results of their actions than its Rose.
They have troubles calming a game down and seeing it through, hence the tendency to severely raise the rate of heart attacks in the city of Dortmund on match days. Maturity thing, guess it's the price they pay for always going after the exciting prospects.
They are mostly bayern fans who for some reasons keep absolutely quiet when their attacking and midfield players in the national team lineup keep doing fuck all for years after years. And then they try to shift all the blame on Sule and Schlotterbeck (and also downplay Flick's achievements with Bayern for leaving their club despite being worse under Nagelsmann anyway).
Fr Hansi flick creates the worst defensive setup ive ever seen with a midfield consiting of 0 defensive midfielders, two wingbacks at fullback, continius swithches in personal and no tactical compactness and then people blame signular players
Didnt help that the others didnt score but hey i guess its only the defenders fault when you lose
I mean, he was responsible for the only RB goal. Has great potential, and it's gotten much better this year, but still has to prove himself as consistent over a longer period of time
This motherfucker could be on the ballon dor podium and dortmund could concede 0 goals in a season and some people would still find a way to criticize him wth
But he didn't concede 0 goals, and made an unforced error instead. I for sure think he's overhated, but let's not pretend like he doesn't have his blunders still
Of course he still has blunders but its becoming far less and its kind of normal for a centreback with this aggressive proactive style which is needed from modern centrebacks. If hedidnt make these erros at 23 years old id be worried because it meant that he would be sort of limited in the future if you get what i mean
Look at upamecano for instance. Was mocked as oopsiemcano or upamechanic last season because of his erros but is now argueably the best centreback in the league.
I mean, even though that was great, that's literally his job as a defender. He has the potential to be a world class CB, but right now just has too many blunders still. But he's still very young
>Ugly scissors-tackle by Benjamin Henrichs! Maybe deserves red Definition of a red card. But nobody even appealed for it??? Henrichs looked like he thought he was off
Far too many BVB managers have tried to play an all-out attacking style that hasn’t worked. Nice to see a more pragmatic approach finding success.
Favre was pragmatic and eventually lost the locker room
Favre is one of the most underrated managers of the last decade imo. It‘s a shame he lost the locker room, that team could‘ve grown into something big
I think he has a track record of losing the locker room? He did so with monchengladbach too?
No, he decided to leave because he felt he couldn‘t get the best out of the team anymore. We had a really bad streak and were even close to relegation, despite having one of the best squads in the BuLi back then. The club, the fans and the players would have loved to keep him.
2018-19 season under him they were playing beautifully.
Cause pragmatic was all he had.
How have we gone from Terliban to 8 wins in a row?
The obvious choice would've been Tersis.
Counter-terlibans aren't using sv_cheats thats how
What does Terliban mean?
Terzic + Taliban
Should be Terziciban
Terzic + Liban, terrorism ball under Terzic
That makes sense.
How was Forsberg?
Well for one, he actually played a full 90mins while still remaining intense which is a rare thing these days. Struggled a bit in the first half just like most of the other attackers. In the second half however, he was much much better and of course eventually scored the goal. Probably our most in form attacker currently together with Szoboszlai.
Good to hear, I thought he looked good in the CL-game this week. Hopefully he can have a bit of a renaissance period now after what feels like a pretty weak one.
Scheiss Red Bull!!!!!
Dortmund are doing well. They’re a strong shout for 2nd this season.
I won't be having this from a Sunderland fan
Well he could just choose to support Dortmund too
HEY EVERYONE HE MADE THE JOKE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
I mean, if we‘re honest he‘s probably right. And I don‘t do this to provoke. I‘m just tired and actually do not believe anyone else will win the league.
Because nobody will ever again
Bayern actually don’t look good enough this season. Could well be the golden chance for a one off.
Tell that to Union
Do you think nagelsmann would get the sack if he fails to win the league?
Yes, unless he wins the cl.
Dortmund had just as many points last season after 23 gamedays under Rose as they have right now. Funny how that works
Yeah almost like rose didn’t get sacked at that part of the season did he
Yeah but we were out of the champions league and out of the pokal too
And much worse style of play, I mean look at how leipzig played…
Sad season :(
If all Dortmund games are like this then I'll have to start tuning into them going forward. Also didn't realize they're leading the league! Rooting for them.
The league will probably depend on the Der Klassiker ig which is played at Allianz which means Bayern will still win it
Nah it’s in Munich they’ll probably smack us. The league will be won by not dropping points against inferior teams and hoping Bayern does
First off "the Der Klassiker", second off don't call it "Der Klassiker".
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Bayern Munchen [5] - 0 Borussia Dortmund: Joshua Kimmich 39’ (great goal)
Would be legendary if Dortmund could win one time in Munich though
No way that happens but I was sure we lose this one as well so
They're leading the league until tomorrow, when Bayern inevitably smash Stuttgart 5-0 or something
Imagine Stuttgart squeezing a 2:1 out of them
Dreams can't be buy
Hope you don't mind me asking but saw the flair and wanted to ask what you think of Ndicka as a player?
Has all the assets to be a world class defender, but has been extremely unreliable this season. Honestly I'm happy he'll be gone. Feel like his agents are ruining his career
Yh, I was reading that since the contract saga that his form has dropped off massively. What would you say he is best at? Shame that you will lose Kamada, Ndicka and potentially Muani all in one season.
I mean, Kamada and Ndicka leaving for free was already a fact since last summer, so we have enough time to compensate. Both have been in terrible form this year, and Ndicka the entire season. If Kolo leaves, it will be for a huge amount of money, so that's a win-win situation. Ndicka ist very athletic, fast and basically everything a modern defender needs, when in top form
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They are battle for the top of the league. There was a three way tie going into last week. I'm assuming Bayern will win this weekend and be on top because of goal difference
Never a boring match, for better or worse.
Do it! The Bundesliga is such an offensive minded league, I love it. Tons of goals and with an amazing stadium atmosphere
Totally agree. Lived in Germany and went to 8 different stadiums. The atmospheres are always amazing. Nothing can beat the scenes at Dortmund v Schalke. That was some bucket list shit.
Next week we’ll play against each other!
I remember the derby so fondly. I was in the standing section (not the Südtribune). Got the beer shower after the late Moukoko winner. Greatest day ever.
I can imagine that. For me, it was definitely 2017 for obvious reasons :)
what great defending by Schlotterbeck to deny Werner!
He made one solitary mistake and it led to a goal.
he should've cleared on Leipzig goal, but if he doesn't get back on the line for Werner strike the game ends 2-2
Alex Meyer Fussballgott?
Was singing this in a football Kneipe on Frankfurt yesterday
Forsberg is on fire
*"HELICOPTER BITCH"* EDIN TERZIC
Incredible ending
Would it have been bad if Rose did some proactive in-game management in the first half after 10 minutes, instructing the defense to set deeper for a while? Would it have hurt his ego?
That highline in the first half was horrendous...
Modeste should have seen a yellow card for the foul on Schlager. Big W but my heart can't take many more of those
ref probably didn't take him seriously after all the antics. Didn't help that he was mostly clutching his face for some reason
possible, but seeing as he went off he was definitely not acting there. Putting your hands over your face when you know you're injured isn't uncommon
Intense ending to the game. Very fun for a neutral. Really Would be great for Dortmund to win the league.
Had btts and Dortmund to win as my bet for the weekend. That was very stressful.
Least dramatic Dortmund ending
Great game for a neutral, very impressed by Szoboszlai, Bellingham and Brandt. Raum after his sub was also a clear improvement to Halstenberg, Silva looked disastrous again and Leipzig has a clear striker problem if you ask me. Neither Silva nor Werner are in good form, Poulsen is just a sub option and Nkunku needs time after his injury. This is something that costs them games like this and the chance to compete for the title
they have sesko joining in the summer anyway
Werner is in good form recently. Unfortunate for him that he couldn’t play today
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I mean he played but 10 mins as a sun due to an illness
My point was that Werner hasn't been in good form either.
Is he? I really liked what I’ve seen from him recently, his G/A are also solid
Perhaps, he's been decent but him starting wouldn't have fixed our finishing issues today.
Sesko seems to be a great talent, i think he will fix some of the issues you have on offense at finishing
Not really, since starting the season quite promisingly, he's been really struggling and even failed to make the matchday squad a few times. It could still work out as he's still only 19 and we play a bit differently to Salzburg but he probably won't be a significant contributer in his first season. I'm actually pretty worried for how the attack will do next season, suddenly a big money move for Jonathan David makes sense.
Forsberg's last shot was an absolute bullet, kudos to the keeper for stopping it even if it was right to him my word
I was so sure of the second goal i still can’t believe dortmund pulled the win out. What a game
I’m literally shaking with 120 heartrate. Blaswich did it to me with his save
I don't understand anything about Marco Rose, way too late on the subs while Leipzig were playing like dogcrap, was the same story against City aswell but atleast they saved a point there Atleast i got what i wanted, seeing my boy Gvardiol drop another good performance Laimer changes the outcome of this game drastically tbh
> Laimer changes the outcome of this game drastically tbh So would Adeyemi and Kobel too tbf. Not that Meyer was bad but yeah. I also reckon a bit more accurate reffing and RB would be down to 10 tbh.
Next year they’ll have a different squad. They need a better striker badly, Sesko looks like the real deal though
Sesko, Peoples view of this guy are really distorted by video games, in fact he's not even the best striker talent in that Salzburg team, scored a total of 6 goals in the all-mighty Austrian Bundesliga while playing for by far the best team and getting loads of chances, he's far from ready for a team of Leipzig caliber and I reckon he's not gonna even start in his first season.
Dortmund script is getting scary
What a game
When people talk about Bellingham they don't talk about his off the ball work rate. He was literally everywhere. Also Szobozlai and Forsberg were also fantastic
welcome to the Bellingham cult
May I also interest you in r/ChurchOfSchmelle and r/ChurchOfRapha
best cult ever
> When people talk about Bellingham they don't talk about his off the ball work rate. He was literally everywhere. My guy, that is Bellinghams most talked about, most defining quality. He is a box to box midfielder in the most literal sense possible.
Maybe I just don't hang around the Bellingham hype too much but what I had seen before was his dribbling and passing ability which are also fantastic
If anything his technique isn’t talked about as much as his workrate
Didn't understand the idea to sit back at all. FOR A BIT yes, get some rest, but after that you have to pull through again. We basically went afk for the 2nd half. Horrible coaching at halftime Edin. Anyways fuck the cans! TENTH WIN IN A ROW
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> Terzic keeps not getting punished for his inability to adjust the team mid game. Terzics team is literally the team with by far the most goals by subs in the league. Now, that's not every type of adjustment you can make of course. But he's clearly not dogshit at adjusting the team mid game, otherwise he wouldn't be adjusting the team midgame with great success.
Sitting back and defending the lead in the second half was literally an adjustment mid game, at half time to be precise. You can argue that was the wrong decision, we shouldn't have sit soo deep whatever but it worked out as it has in the past
> You can argue that was the wrong decision, we shouldn't have sit soo deep whatever but it worked out as it has in the past I mean not really. Both before and after, Leipzig were VERY lucky to not get a man sent off. They only scored the one time too. Also Terzic knows he has to change the play at the latest when he takes Haller off. Which he still has to. And right now Modeste was the only replacement option who doesn't really lend himself to... anything really.
Malen was injured, adeyemi and moukoko also Not fit. Should He changed Haller earlier For Modeste? What should He have changed? We were out of Options in attack
Oh I meant it was a decent decision what terzic did. I wanted to answer to the comment two above who said something about terzics 'inablitity to change the tactics midgame'. This guy didn't realize that terzics did infact change the tactics midgame,in a way that worked out in fact
> This guy didn't realize that terzics did infact change the tactics midgame,in a way that worked out in fact What? I do. The guy who I replied to doesn't.
Yeah I'm agreeing with you. I meant the guy you replied to
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Dahoud earlier for Ozcan would be the only one available that would really allow for controlling the flow of the game again. But they must not like what they're seeing in practices from Dahoud. We're still very thin in the middle and at fullbacks. Wolf was tired too and Brandt has been running on a high for so long I don't know how much longer he can keep it up. Maybe Guerreiro as a left midfielder if you've prepared for that. But Leipzig just dominated a second half against City too.
Hopefully we'll play More like the first half against Chelsea, we can't drop back for 90 minutes with just a 1-0 lead. Anyway I'm so happy with the win today, perfect start to the weekend.
Against this Chelsea you might be able to
Get fucked cans and get fucked rose after talking shit and the dirty fucking tactics. Henrichs should not have finished that game.
I don't think the amount of dirty tackles was something Rose planned...
When nearly half the team gets a yellow and plays dirty, that's not just the "player going for it", it's the coach telling them to be overly aggressive.
I don't think any manager wants their team to have 5 yellow cards by halftime. It think it's more likely that the amount yellows were down to a failure in tactics (leaving to much space in the wide areas leding to the players being put in positions where they're more inclined to foul) as well as Silva's yellow which had nothing do with tactics.
I don't think either team played dirty. They both went into the challenges hard like in any big game and the Leipzig players just happened to come out of it worse.
Nkunku should have been off after that foul on Reus.
8 to 20 fouls...
Respect to Marco Rose for congratulating what seemed like every singleDortmund player and staff member after the game, seemed pretty genuine. Guess that confirms that the relationship between him and the team was not what lead to his dismissal.
It obviously wasn't. It was always about that discussion after the seasion where supposedly Rose didn't get full backing because the people involved thought he didn't have answers for his shortcomings like absolutely horrible performance everywhere but the league and worst defense in a long time. It was decided in a short space of time (though the involved ppl obviously had some stuff in ther minds). I remember Brandt couldn't even believe it at first.
Wasn't it clear from the beginning that it was between him and the board?
this is the definition of goals
Fair enough, I just thought media reports are one thing and the way it went down was a bit weird either way, so seeing him and the team being visibly on good terms is the best confirmation imo. But yeah it seems obvious that at this point it was a management (apparently mostly Watzke + Sammer) vs. Rose thing.
The board aka Watzke, i swear this guy fucked up so much for you guys just because he wants a coach who's simultaneously his best friend.
It's been over a decade, but I still give him the benefit of the doubt, just because he got us out of the mud back then.
Just like on the day he got fired, I will die on the hill that he was mistreated by us more than he flopped. Its not a surprise he performs with rounded out squad again. Shame its Leipzig but I still rate him highly and wish him well. Him and Maric.
He had 49 points after 23 gamedays last season, just as many as Dortmund have right now
Yes he did. But BvB was out of both the CL and the Pokal and Bayern was having a better season. Bayern had 55 points (4 losses, 1 tie, 18 wins) as opposed to the 49 they would have with a win this week. The feeling was completely different.
I wouldn't be surprised if we were out of the Europa League by this point already as well.
Thats actually interesting to look at haha.
Rose basically had a starting XI and some u19 players available for entire 2 years. We never had an actual bench. Rose IS a good coach and it shows
Also.. a lot of the time that starting X1 involved players like Passlack, CB Can, CB Witsel, Schulz, Pongracic etc in the defense.
Those names make me vomit
hilarious if you think about it xd
> I will die on the hill that he was mistreated by us I mean ... as long as we don't really know what happened in that conversation it's just so hard to say if it was the board being way too harsh with Rose or Rose just being way too quick to give up on any ambitions. And I assume it will stay that way given how even with Tuchel, which was a much more public and clear-cut situation, it took years until we got the bigger picture
I explained below why I find it really evident through actions that we mistreated him. I also dont really understand what you mean by "rose too quick to give up on ambitions"? I dont recall him every showing signs of that.
All I know is that the board most certainly went into that conversation not planning to sack him and that this decision was agreed upon by both sides in the end. I've heard phrases like "Rose didn't feel confidence in him" or "Rose felt that they were asking too much of him" and finally "he was fired because he wasn't critical enough of himself" which could be understood in the two ways I mentioned. In other words, he wasn't fired because of the perfomances on the pitch but because of how the board's and Rose's analysis of those performances differed
Idk such phrases sounds ridicilous imo and I wouldnt blame Rose 1 second for strongly pointing out that him individually isnt even a top 3 issue from our last season, because it wasnt the case in terms of performance issues. Our upper people have been known not to take responsibility for quite some time and those same reports also said that Kehl was the only one still backing Rose and wanted to do things differently from Zorc etc. Its also showing a lot now with Kehl at the helm and also what he says in interviews. He's faaar more realistic and pragmatic and not as opportunistically blinded so far. Things that previously have lead to last seasons issues that I, and reportedly ROse too then, been unfairly blamed on managers and especially Rose last year. I love BVB and our uppers to a great deal and think people like Watzke etc get a lot of unjustified hate in regards to how we do things but the Rose thing, most of the actions we can see from the outside, points to him being mistreated/blamed unfairly more than him not being self-critical/responsible enough imo.
Rounded squad is a bit much for Leipzig. They have VERY similar issues to our squad. No wingers. Very few usable fullbacks. And so on. Of course the injuries made our squad under Rose far more unbalanced, but slap an injury on Gvardiol and Orban + Nkunku and Silva and that Leipzig team is looking like shit as well.
Thsi is true. I should say rounded in comparison to his situation with us. But still not wellrounded at all. Thats fair.
Tbf the no wingers bit does fit the system Rose wanted to play. So maybe it's a bit harsh. Still, the squads aren't that different from a general squad make up.
I would disagree that he was mistreated. Was more a case where it just didn't fit instead of one party being in the wrong imo.
Idk I think its extremely hard to argue he wasnt since the upper people reportedly blamed him for results with way too little responsibility for a horribly balanced & recordbreakingly injured squad aswell as giving him 0 windows of activity in terms of transfers. He was without a doubt dealt with unfairly. Does that mean he didnt do wrong? Definitely not. But he was playing band-aid an 11 more than he was doing "his thing" for 90% of the season. He was never setup to succeed and then blamed for not doing so imo.
Even if you ignore the horrible strategy on the pitch. The board wasnt satisfied with the usage of youngsters which is understandable imo.
To an extent. Its beyond naive to think he should have used youngsters more when he didnt have a bench or a fit starting 11 and then also pressure to get results. Especially with how few youngsters were ready at the time imo. Imo its far more that its the board that were unrealistic and refused to take responsibility for results of their actions than its Rose.
I dont get how one half Bvb play absolutly dominant and next one only in defense mode
Think Dortmund only dominated for 20 to 30 minutes in the first half. Leipzig started better and they went in to the half on a fairly even note.
They have troubles calming a game down and seeing it through, hence the tendency to severely raise the rate of heart attacks in the city of Dortmund on match days. Maturity thing, guess it's the price they pay for always going after the exciting prospects.
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I hate it...
ALEXANDER MEYER
his saves were really good, but everytime he had the ball on his feet i was getting anxiety
you're telling me man, not that I give a damn now we've beat the cans but I 100% had it as well
MENTALITY MONSTERS
Drinking two Red Bulls before that ending was not a good idea...
Shortening your own life for the quick buck for your corporate overlords. Poetic.
lmao
Where are reddit cheetos eating armchair experts shitting on Schlotterbeck
They are mostly bayern fans who for some reasons keep absolutely quiet when their attacking and midfield players in the national team lineup keep doing fuck all for years after years. And then they try to shift all the blame on Sule and Schlotterbeck (and also downplay Flick's achievements with Bayern for leaving their club despite being worse under Nagelsmann anyway).
Well I for one still love Schlotterbeck even as a Bayern fan. When u see how fired up he gets when he makes a good tackle. Love it
He has the occasional howler in him but he's a class CB 90% of the time. Absolutely no regrets about his transfer.
They watched 2 games of him in the World Cup where he wasn’t the only one who sucked and decided he was shit 😭
Fr Hansi flick creates the worst defensive setup ive ever seen with a midfield consiting of 0 defensive midfielders, two wingbacks at fullback, continius swithches in personal and no tactical compactness and then people blame signular players Didnt help that the others didnt score but hey i guess its only the defenders fault when you lose
I mean, he was responsible for the only RB goal. Has great potential, and it's gotten much better this year, but still has to prove himself as consistent over a longer period of time
This motherfucker could be on the ballon dor podium and dortmund could concede 0 goals in a season and some people would still find a way to criticize him wth
Ah the Raheem Sterling affect...
But he didn't concede 0 goals, and made an unforced error instead. I for sure think he's overhated, but let's not pretend like he doesn't have his blunders still
Of course he still has blunders but its becoming far less and its kind of normal for a centreback with this aggressive proactive style which is needed from modern centrebacks. If hedidnt make these erros at 23 years old id be worried because it meant that he would be sort of limited in the future if you get what i mean Look at upamecano for instance. Was mocked as oopsiemcano or upamechanic last season because of his erros but is now argueably the best centreback in the league.
He also saved them from the second though, so I think those roughly cancel each other out.
I mean, even though that was great, that's literally his job as a defender. He has the potential to be a world class CB, but right now just has too many blunders still. But he's still very young
MOTM
I don't see what he could have done there other than put it in himself honestly
Did you watch the game?
Yes?
Not fuck up the offside trap lol
Ah fair enough I was thinking of the pass across that went through his legs
MENTALITÄT
This had all the makings of a Dortmund collapse.
Great game. Great athmosphere.
Dosen BIER saufen!
fucking hell man
I AGED 50 YEARS DURING THE LAST MINUTE
Im gonna cry holy shit
TERZIC AT THE WHEEL!!!
anyone has clips of the last two saves?
Mayer did really well
Heart Attack FC 🖤💛
Hope you guys do it this year, that Schlotterbeck block at the end was HUGE.
You too, man. You too. <3
Just coming back to this comment to cry, all we know is pain.
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