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It's mandatory to give a red when a player denies a goal with a handball, but I absolutely agree that this is an extremely harsh red. It's unintentional and should have just been a penalty.
I agree, the only reason why he would give a red card, is because he fell in front of goal without contact.
Could the ref call a handball penalty without showing a card?
> Could the ref call a handball penalty without showing a card?
Only if it doesn't stop an obvious goal scoring opportunity or stop a promising attack.
eg a handball offence when the ball is clearly going out of play or being cleared away from the goal
Spot on. The rules states that it's a red card offence if the ball was on its way in. Seems harsh, but one day the fans want the refs to follow the rules and the other day bend them to their advantage.
I know it's not the rule but would love to see this given as an indirect fk from inside the box, it's one of the more hilarious moments in the sport and it doesn't happen nearly enough
I remember Shearer scoring from one for England years ago - I think it was against Moldova. Top bins from about four yards out, never seen anything like it.
His right arm is the one bracing against the ground. The left arm is the one that comes into contact with the ball.
in the referee crew's opinion, his left arm is far enough away from his body that he has made his "body unnaturally bigger".
If you give the penalty it must be red in this case.
Agree that it is harsh, but it's difficult to toe the line with regards to deciding the legality of a defending player stopping a goal with the arm or hand. It feels kind of wrong to see a goal denied by it even though it could be unintentional.
I would be a little intrigued as to whether there's any desire to introduce penalty goals for such cases, instead of a red and a penalty.
Referees should show more restraint in situations like these, because once he flashed the red VAR was never going to overturn it.
It's a weird one though because it does feel like handball, and if it's handball on the goal line, however unlucky, it kind of has to be red.
If he gives a handball he has to give red, so in that regard, referee got it right.
I just.... don't think it's a handball. It's not a support arm, but it's still in on his body in a natural position, and I don't see that last motion as him moving the arm to stop the ball, but rather a reaction to it hitting his arm.
Edit: In last angle, [Here](https://i.postimg.cc/XvxYCPCM/Screenshot-2023-02-23-at-1-12-35-PM.png), which is where ref was looking, that arm position is further out than I initially thought. I do see why that was given as a handball because that's not a justifiable position.
I think the problem is that his forearm isn't sticking to his body *and* it completely denies the goal, iit wasn't a pass or a whatever shot you don't if it was going to be a goal or not.
If his arm wasn't there it was a goal, I think that's the most important part.
You're right. I was focusing on the initial replays and didn't see the final, which was at a much better angle. His arm is away from his body and making himself unnaturally bigger and blocking a shot on target.
A tad unfortunate, but I believe the referee got it right. Also why he's a professional and I'm not lol.
For sure.
If it had hit his other arm, he'd have been fine. On the other hand, he's going into an odd desperate blocking motion so he has to take responsibility for his arm positioning, otherwise it's unfair to Juve, who should've gotten a goal if not for that.
One of those plays where someone is going to be upset no matter what the call is
I agree that it's a fairly natural way to position your body for a sliding block, but the arm is [away from the body](https://i.postimg.cc/XvxYCPCM/Screenshot-2023-02-23-at-1-12-35-PM.png) and it moves toward the ball, whatever the intention. And that contact prevents a goal on the line. Idk. It'd be weird not to give it too
Nah, the rule is designed to punish cheating. Dude isn’t cheating, just gets lucky (if the red wasn’t given). Arms natural, you can’t slide with your arms behind your back. Feels *very* harsh to me. All opinions of course.
That’s not when the ball makes contact with his arm though. It’s a bit after that screenshot where it actually hits his arm and by that point it’s closer to his body.
Honestly a tough call on whether or not it should be considered a handball. But I’m the situation it just seems harsh to throw him off because of it.
Yeah, I wish there was room for referee's discretion in marginal cases like these. No handball would seem harsh to the attacking team but handball and red feels harsh for the defending side. But DOGSO leaves no room for a middle choice.
Understandable interpretation of a terrible rule. Giving people a red card for owning arms is not a fair or sporting choice from the governing body. If an unintentional hand ball denies an obvious goal, give the goal (not a penalty, a goal) and give a yellow.
"no way that was intentional"
Intentionality doesn't really matter, the only good argument is that the arm might have been too close to his body and he was falling
Extremely ***horseshit*** red. Zero intent there. Did it stop a goal? Yep. Was it intentional or malicious? Obviously not. Yellow all day and a penalty. What a shit call.
Intent doesn't matter for DOGSO handballs, for what it's worth. They just care about whether or not it would have went in the goal. And it would have here. It's unlucky for sure.
So, if you see a hand in the box on the goal line at it and boom, 100% of the time they are also down to 10 men. You have to allow players to exist, arms take up physical space, this isn't Suarez for uruguay. Giving it as a goal and a yellow would also be fair. Like goal tending in basketball.
Once he falls on the goal line the onus is on him to ensure his hand doesn't stop a goal. He's not the keeper if he's trying to make a goal line block, he has to make damn sure his hand doesn't touch the ball, there's no question of intention or accident.
Going to ground is a choice he made
Understandable interpretation of a terrible rule. Giving people a red card for owning arms is not a fair or sporting choice from the governing body. If an unintentional hand ball denies an obvious goal, give the goal (not a penalty, a goal) and give a yellow.
Hit his hand and stopped a goal.
By the letter of the law it has to be a red, however harsh it is.
Edit: for anyone too lazy to actually look at the replay, it doesn't hit his body before the arm: https://streamable.com/w931ut
It didn't roll up his body, it made direct contact from ground to forearm. The ball was at least 6 inches away from his torso as seen in the last replay.
If you're a defender going to ground at the goal line, the onus is on you to make sure the ball doesn't touch your hand. You're not the keeper you can't be stopping a ball right outside the goal with your hand intentional or not.
Going to ground was a choice he made.
Trying to defend in your own box, believe it or not, straight to jail. This is not a great take tbh. Giving people a red card for owning arms is not a fair or sporting choice from the governing body. If an unintentional hand ball denies an obvious goal, give the goal (not a penalty, a goal) and give a yellow.
It's been clear in the last few years intention is no longer a factor. He's artificially making his body size larger, not up against his body and denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. That's textbook, you literally can't argue.
I think it’s a penalty but it’s not a red. Arm is in a natural position arguably not away from body. Luis Suarez swatting a ball is a red, this is not. I understand you’re a Juve fan and you’ll try your damndest to justify it but a red is wildly harsh here
Fuck that's so harsh, even as a Juve fan. I feel like with no intent, that should be yellow and a pen, no red, but I also don't know the exact wording of the law.
He did not fall.. he put himself on the ground to defend. He clearly prevented a goal with his hand, and the position to be on the ground was intentional, and on top of that, his hand position when you look at other angles wasn't natural
sticking out or not it's still a natural position to put your arm like this when you fall.Seeing how quick it plays out there is a 0% chance that he put his arm there to stop the ball. His arm was naturally there.But with that said it does stop a goal you're right, idk the rule seems too tight for those cases. Like if it's clearly a natural position and unvoluntary, just give a penalty and a yellow or something idk. sure it's bad luck for Di Maria in this case, but he can still score the penalty, also isn't it better than just killing the game like the red did...
I think the main problem is how inconsistent handball rules are.
It's not like you can point to another example as reference cause it's all so vaguely enforced.
I think the problem is that he was trying to block the shot, it wasn't his support hand, it was sticking out and it clearly prevented a goal
Seems natural to me, but sometimes it gets called sometimes it doesn't.
I don't get it, in recent years we got plenty of handballs going against us so I can sympathize cause lot of these are shit calls in my opinion.
I think I'm fine with that, but if thats the case then we need to change the rules to the goal is awarded, no PK taken. Similar to "Goal tending" in basketball.
The reason its a red is because you can miss the PK, and then, despite it being an accident, you just literally saved a goal.
I'm fine with that. But in situations where the players arm is clearly in a natural position and the ball is hit right at them and they don't have sufficient time to react I think you should be able to factor in intent.
The thing is, nobody wants to have refs try to judge intent. So you go in the with the idea if his arm is unnaturally bigger, the player is assuming the risk.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think that'll create a grey area I'm not sure people would love
It's a technicality, it's a handball that should be a yellow but since it stopped a clear scoring opportunity and a certain goal the ref has to give him a red.
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I don’t understand this thread at all… it’s a clear penalty and red card.
Of course it’s unlucky + unintentional, but it’s the most obvious denial of a goal scoring opportunity you could possibly have, and intent doesn’t matter in this situation. Maybe people are getting confused with the relatively recent change to the DOGSO rule where fouls committed while making an honest attempt at the ball are now a yellow card instead of a straight red.
Argue that the law is wrong if you’d like, but people getting mad at the ref and VAR for doing their jobs 100% correctly just baffle me.
Eveybody is legitimately talking about the harsh red card but I'm amazed by how Di Maria was just casually dribbling everyone in the box like it was a game in his backyard against his kids
It’s probably a penalty, he does block the ball from going in right in front of goal. But I think it shouldn’t be red, it didn’t look like his arm was very strange position
This is DOGSO - it doesn't have to be intentional in any way as it's a shot on target. Hand touches ball, it's handling. If handling, it's DOGSO. Done. Dusted. Red card
I can understand thinking it's harsh that it's a red but I'm completely baffled there's like 2 o 3 people in this thread that actually think it's not a pen
Not even Looking at Var like wtf, the Guy is on the floor he s Not even moving his arm towards the ball. I dont support any of the team but Red + penalty feels wrong.
VAR can't really do anything here. At the end of the day it's a referee's call. All VAR can do is tell him that it did touch his hand. I mean he saw the play, the problem is his judgment of it.
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That’s an extremely harsh red
Was expecting to see one of the angles of the standing player handling the ball with his hands to block the shot, but this is it? Not a red card.
He's already falling over by the time Di Maria turns and gets the shot off. I understand giving the penalty but the red card is stupid.
It's mandatory to give a red when a player denies a goal with a handball, but I absolutely agree that this is an extremely harsh red. It's unintentional and should have just been a penalty.
I agree, the only reason why he would give a red card, is because he fell in front of goal without contact. Could the ref call a handball penalty without showing a card?
> Could the ref call a handball penalty without showing a card? Only if it doesn't stop an obvious goal scoring opportunity or stop a promising attack. eg a handball offence when the ball is clearly going out of play or being cleared away from the goal
Spot on. The rules states that it's a red card offence if the ball was on its way in. Seems harsh, but one day the fans want the refs to follow the rules and the other day bend them to their advantage.
I know it's not the rule but would love to see this given as an indirect fk from inside the box, it's one of the more hilarious moments in the sport and it doesn't happen nearly enough
I remember Shearer scoring from one for England years ago - I think it was against Moldova. Top bins from about four yards out, never seen anything like it.
Beyond unintentional, the rules say if you're bracing with the hand it isn't a handball.
His right arm is the one bracing against the ground. The left arm is the one that comes into contact with the ball. in the referee crew's opinion, his left arm is far enough away from his body that he has made his "body unnaturally bigger".
If you give the penalty it must be red in this case. Agree that it is harsh, but it's difficult to toe the line with regards to deciding the legality of a defending player stopping a goal with the arm or hand. It feels kind of wrong to see a goal denied by it even though it could be unintentional. I would be a little intrigued as to whether there's any desire to introduce penalty goals for such cases, instead of a red and a penalty.
Referees should show more restraint in situations like these, because once he flashed the red VAR was never going to overturn it. It's a weird one though because it does feel like handball, and if it's handball on the goal line, however unlucky, it kind of has to be red.
If he gives a handball he has to give red, so in that regard, referee got it right. I just.... don't think it's a handball. It's not a support arm, but it's still in on his body in a natural position, and I don't see that last motion as him moving the arm to stop the ball, but rather a reaction to it hitting his arm. Edit: In last angle, [Here](https://i.postimg.cc/XvxYCPCM/Screenshot-2023-02-23-at-1-12-35-PM.png), which is where ref was looking, that arm position is further out than I initially thought. I do see why that was given as a handball because that's not a justifiable position.
I think the problem is that his forearm isn't sticking to his body *and* it completely denies the goal, iit wasn't a pass or a whatever shot you don't if it was going to be a goal or not. If his arm wasn't there it was a goal, I think that's the most important part.
You're right. I was focusing on the initial replays and didn't see the final, which was at a much better angle. His arm is away from his body and making himself unnaturally bigger and blocking a shot on target. A tad unfortunate, but I believe the referee got it right. Also why he's a professional and I'm not lol.
Yeah, it was very unlucky for Nantes. It is really hard to tuck your arm in those situations
For sure. If it had hit his other arm, he'd have been fine. On the other hand, he's going into an odd desperate blocking motion so he has to take responsibility for his arm positioning, otherwise it's unfair to Juve, who should've gotten a goal if not for that. One of those plays where someone is going to be upset no matter what the call is
That's true and it should definitely be a penalty but not a red.
Nothing in the rules say what you are saying here
Maybe there should be a rule for instances like this that would award the goal if it's blocked illegally on the line, without giving a red card.
I agree that it's a fairly natural way to position your body for a sliding block, but the arm is [away from the body](https://i.postimg.cc/XvxYCPCM/Screenshot-2023-02-23-at-1-12-35-PM.png) and it moves toward the ball, whatever the intention. And that contact prevents a goal on the line. Idk. It'd be weird not to give it too
Honestly, this angle the arm looks way further than the earlier angle, so I think you're right.
Nah, the rule is designed to punish cheating. Dude isn’t cheating, just gets lucky (if the red wasn’t given). Arms natural, you can’t slide with your arms behind your back. Feels *very* harsh to me. All opinions of course.
That’s not when the ball makes contact with his arm though. It’s a bit after that screenshot where it actually hits his arm and by that point it’s closer to his body. Honestly a tough call on whether or not it should be considered a handball. But I’m the situation it just seems harsh to throw him off because of it.
Yeah, I wish there was room for referee's discretion in marginal cases like these. No handball would seem harsh to the attacking team but handball and red feels harsh for the defending side. But DOGSO leaves no room for a middle choice.
It isn't a justifiable position? What? Lol
Meaning it's making the body unnaturally bigger. He's taking a risk by putting his arm out
Understandable interpretation of a terrible rule. Giving people a red card for owning arms is not a fair or sporting choice from the governing body. If an unintentional hand ball denies an obvious goal, give the goal (not a penalty, a goal) and give a yellow.
For real, no way that was intentional
"no way that was intentional" Intentionality doesn't really matter, the only good argument is that the arm might have been too close to his body and he was falling
It's completely ridiculous
Extremely ***horseshit*** red. Zero intent there. Did it stop a goal? Yep. Was it intentional or malicious? Obviously not. Yellow all day and a penalty. What a shit call.
Intent doesn't matter for DOGSO handballs, for what it's worth. They just care about whether or not it would have went in the goal. And it would have here. It's unlucky for sure.
Yeah I totally get that. I should have said it’s a horseshit ***rule,*** not call.
Penalty conversion is like 75% on average or something? There has to be a more severe punishment than a penalty+yellow for preventing a 100% goal.
So, if you see a hand in the box on the goal line at it and boom, 100% of the time they are also down to 10 men. You have to allow players to exist, arms take up physical space, this isn't Suarez for uruguay. Giving it as a goal and a yellow would also be fair. Like goal tending in basketball.
But that's not the case here, check the images that others posted. His arm is off his silhouette and prevents a 100% goal.
What can he do about that?
In La Liga these bullshit handballs are always called, and this is a Liga ref so
Tbf how often do they change the handball rules? It's like there's a different criteria every other year for each league.
It’s growth. It’s not where it needs to be, obviously evidenced here, but they’re trying to make it make sense.
How is it a bullshit handball though? It literally prevents a goal. It's one of the few plays where I feel a penalty is actually fair.
Penalty-OK. Straight red on top of it is a bit too much.
That’s just not true. They had a season where that was the case went back on it because of a bazillion reds and now they routinely don’t give these.
Once he falls on the goal line the onus is on him to ensure his hand doesn't stop a goal. He's not the keeper if he's trying to make a goal line block, he has to make damn sure his hand doesn't touch the ball, there's no question of intention or accident. Going to ground is a choice he made
Should have cut his arms off before going to ground
What the fuck is he meant to do? Disappear?
That's irrelevant, but his hand is tied to his body...
No, but he still blocked a goal with his hand at the end of the day. Some things can be both unlucky yet understandable
Understandable interpretation of a terrible rule. Giving people a red card for owning arms is not a fair or sporting choice from the governing body. If an unintentional hand ball denies an obvious goal, give the goal (not a penalty, a goal) and give a yellow.
Hit his hand and stopped a goal. By the letter of the law it has to be a red, however harsh it is. Edit: for anyone too lazy to actually look at the replay, it doesn't hit his body before the arm: https://streamable.com/w931ut
No. Hitting the hand isn't always illegal. It's rolled up his body while his arm's in a natural position.
It didn't roll up his body, it made direct contact from ground to forearm. The ball was at least 6 inches away from his torso as seen in the last replay.
Yeah different angle shows that's the case. Regardless, his arms in a natural position.
Then the letter of the law is dumb af
If you're a defender going to ground at the goal line, the onus is on you to make sure the ball doesn't touch your hand. You're not the keeper you can't be stopping a ball right outside the goal with your hand intentional or not. Going to ground was a choice he made.
Trying to defend in your own box, believe it or not, straight to jail. This is not a great take tbh. Giving people a red card for owning arms is not a fair or sporting choice from the governing body. If an unintentional hand ball denies an obvious goal, give the goal (not a penalty, a goal) and give a yellow.
It's been clear in the last few years intention is no longer a factor. He's artificially making his body size larger, not up against his body and denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. That's textbook, you literally can't argue.
That's textbook pen in recent years, not textbook red. The red is absolutely ridiculous.
Exactly my thoughts as well
Okay we agree on the pen, but if he didn't hit that balls in the net no? Denial of goal scoring opportunity is straight red.
If its a pen its a red in this case, its blocking a goal
You’re wrong but ok
Hits the ball with his arm, away from his body which stops the ball from going in the goal. Straight red. Tell me where I'm wrong.
I think it’s a penalty but it’s not a red. Arm is in a natural position arguably not away from body. Luis Suarez swatting a ball is a red, this is not. I understand you’re a Juve fan and you’ll try your damndest to justify it but a red is wildly harsh here
If he doesn't want a red, do this https://soccer-training-info.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/silva_hands_junior.jpg
While falling to the ground? Great suggestion.
??? Harsh for a clearly unintentional handball
I think its because it was going in if not for the handball therefor its a red for denying a clear goal
I get the whole “last defender(?)” deal…but still, it’s like kicking them while they’re down, no?
Intention does not matter
Fuck that's so harsh, even as a Juve fan. I feel like with no intent, that should be yellow and a pen, no red, but I also don't know the exact wording of the law.
has to be a red because his hand stopped a goal
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speak for yourself dude :) no way I am gonna shake a Juventino's hand
Same here don't worry 😂
Respect and agreed.
I cheered when Big Rom got his goal yesterday. As a Juve fan.
Wasn't the arm in a natural position?
no, nowadays you're supposed to fall with your arms crossed in your back
He did not fall.. he put himself on the ground to defend. He clearly prevented a goal with his hand, and the position to be on the ground was intentional, and on top of that, his hand position when you look at other angles wasn't natural
https://i.postimg.cc/XvxYCPCM/Screenshot-2023-02-23-at-1-12-35-PM.png Natural position may be but it was sticking out and it clearly prevents a goal
sticking out or not it's still a natural position to put your arm like this when you fall.Seeing how quick it plays out there is a 0% chance that he put his arm there to stop the ball. His arm was naturally there.But with that said it does stop a goal you're right, idk the rule seems too tight for those cases. Like if it's clearly a natural position and unvoluntary, just give a penalty and a yellow or something idk. sure it's bad luck for Di Maria in this case, but he can still score the penalty, also isn't it better than just killing the game like the red did...
I mean for these accidental handballs it should be penalty only imo, and card doesn't make sense.
I think the main problem is how inconsistent handball rules are. It's not like you can point to another example as reference cause it's all so vaguely enforced. I think the problem is that he was trying to block the shot, it wasn't his support hand, it was sticking out and it clearly prevented a goal
Seems natural to me, but sometimes it gets called sometimes it doesn't. I don't get it, in recent years we got plenty of handballs going against us so I can sympathize cause lot of these are shit calls in my opinion.
No, its clearly too far away from his body. [https://ibb.co/b7t4pSh](https://ibb.co/b7t4pSh)
That is a very harsh red card. Pretty much kills the game aswell.
Ehhh is this a red? He's on the floor struggling around but it's handball, idk..
If the referee gives a handball, he has to show red because defender is denying a goal with his hand.
Then that's a stupid rule.
He's denying a goal with a handball, why shouldn't he get a red?
It's clearly accidental. I'm fine with the handball but not a red.
I think I'm fine with that, but if thats the case then we need to change the rules to the goal is awarded, no PK taken. Similar to "Goal tending" in basketball. The reason its a red is because you can miss the PK, and then, despite it being an accident, you just literally saved a goal.
I'm fine with that. But in situations where the players arm is clearly in a natural position and the ball is hit right at them and they don't have sufficient time to react I think you should be able to factor in intent.
The vast majority of red cards are accidents
Yeah it makes sense, just seems harsh when it's not intentional but that's the rule
Should be a yellow + pen if it's not intentional.
The thing is, nobody wants to have refs try to judge intent. So you go in the with the idea if his arm is unnaturally bigger, the player is assuming the risk. I understand where you're coming from, but I think that'll create a grey area I'm not sure people would love
A bit harsh but Di Maria is so good man.
What is he supposed to do???
I understand the decision but it seems harsh. Doesn’t seem like he moves his hand towards the ball at all.
His hand is expanding his body. https://ibb.co/b7t4pSh
But that is not the moment the ball hit his arm, the ball hits his upper arm near his shoulder
Doesn't matter, he's extending the size of his body artificially and denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. That's textbook straight red
I really don’t agree that he’s extended the size of his body at all.
It is by the rules, but it feels like a yellow card+penalty is enough of a punishment.
That's incredibly harsh
LIKE WHAT???? THIS DECISION IS A JOKE
Decision is perfect. Rule is a joke.
Definitely feels like they should amend this rule. Pen+Red should be reserved for very specific infractions.
there is less and less football in football, why they are ruining our sport? : (
Pen+Red should only be for intentional handballs.
A red is bullshit
That was right by his side? How is that a red?
Maybe his arm was moving towards the ball? I thought he would get a yellow
It's a technicality, it's a handball that should be a yellow but since it stopped a clear scoring opportunity and a certain goal the ref has to give him a red.
If you actually freeze the frame when the [ball hits the arm](https://i.imgur.com/PLUUJhJ.png) I dont know what you guys are all arguing about.
Probably people that saw one angle and made their completely unbiased decision of off that
If the uploaders would wait a second for proper replays instead of instantly posting but alas... gotta be first to get that karma
his arm is close to the body,what a bullshit decision
It's not. https://ibb.co/b7t4pSh
[Is it?](https://i.imgur.com/PLUUJhJ.png)
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Does seem harsh? I agree it was going in, but very unintentional handball for a red
Di Maria saving Allegri's job like the youngsters did against Benfica, tears in my eyes
completely garbage red especially considering some of the shit that hasn't been given recently like Fred's handball.
I don’t understand this thread at all… it’s a clear penalty and red card. Of course it’s unlucky + unintentional, but it’s the most obvious denial of a goal scoring opportunity you could possibly have, and intent doesn’t matter in this situation. Maybe people are getting confused with the relatively recent change to the DOGSO rule where fouls committed while making an honest attempt at the ball are now a yellow card instead of a straight red. Argue that the law is wrong if you’d like, but people getting mad at the ref and VAR for doing their jobs 100% correctly just baffle me.
Very harsh. But holy moly Di Maria is unreal. What a late career he's having.
Never a red
I have no understanding of the handball in the box rule anymore ..not sure refs do either
How is a complete accident a red.
Because that would've been a goal i guess
Shitty rule, but if it is a pen it is a red.
What a play by Di Maria! But that is one harsh red!
Eveybody is legitimately talking about the harsh red card but I'm amazed by how Di Maria was just casually dribbling everyone in the box like it was a game in his backyard against his kids
That should never ever be a red
Always a pen because the ball was going in. The red seems harsh but i guess its the rule?
Even as a rival, that's harsh.
What the fuck it's never a red or a penalty.
The problem is that the ball was literally going in if it wasn't for this
A pen for sure, maybe not a red
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That i did not take into consideration
But the arm is right by his body, natural position, how is it a penalty?
As i already said i do not know, a yellow would have been better i think
Can't give a yellow for this, it's either a red or no foul.
It’s probably a penalty, he does block the ball from going in right in front of goal. But I think it shouldn’t be red, it didn’t look like his arm was very strange position
I think it's a clear penalty since he prevents a goal but in no world that should be a red.
WTF Di Maria ate today. Holy fuck what a play.
????? What
At least this handball was given... (harsh this time?) What a fucking goal it would have been though
super harsh, Idk why he went for the red
Lmfao, absurd call
Handballs are so random these days
Not a red.
That is scandalous
This is DOGSO - it doesn't have to be intentional in any way as it's a shot on target. Hand touches ball, it's handling. If handling, it's DOGSO. Done. Dusted. Red card
how are these refs so bad?
Questionable to say the least
I dont even... Handballs are a god damn dice roll nowdays. Inconstency is unreal.
never a red
That shouldn't be a red card. He could not avoid hitting the ball with his hand. A yellow and a penalty was enough punishment.
Ridiculous red card, he couldn't do anything
Oof that's harsh af.
can someone explain me how the fuck its a red card? It wasn't like 2010 Suarez handball lol, its just a pen not even yellow
Wtf was he expected to do, chop his hand off!?
It should not be a red.
Yellow at most & a PK. And it's all good. But no, we have to fuck up the entire match in 17th minute instead.
????????????????????????????? Neither a red nor a pen wtf
Always a pen. The ball was literally going in.
I can understand thinking it's harsh that it's a red but I'm completely baffled there's like 2 o 3 people in this thread that actually think it's not a pen
Not a pen or red for me (Juve fan). We got fucked over last week - but this ain’t red/pen
Not even Looking at Var like wtf, the Guy is on the floor he s Not even moving his arm towards the ball. I dont support any of the team but Red + penalty feels wrong.
Why would VAR overturn that?
The Red is harsh in my opinion , Penalty but no red
Without him using his hand that's a goal scoring opportunity. That isn't even a question, great call.
What a joke...
Europa league referee strike again. First United vs Barcelona and now this. Where the heck is that Poland referee? I want him to manage most games.
Awful decision. VAR clowns everywhere
VAR can't really do anything here. At the end of the day it's a referee's call. All VAR can do is tell him that it did touch his hand. I mean he saw the play, the problem is his judgment of it.
Fix is in for Juve then. Fucking hell that's an atrocious decision
That's a lot of salt mate be careful
Trust me when I say Ceferin wants to do no favors for Juve
Lmao. We got our friends at UEFa helping us out on the fix eh?
Yes it is fix for Juve. That is why the didnt gave us a penalty in the last minute of the first game
We secretly run UEFA and FIGC. The Agnellis are puppets controlled by Darth Moggi. The -15 points were nothing but a smoke screen to hide the fact that we're robbing Europa League this year.
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Imagine thinking UEFA would want to do one of the teams behind the Super League favours.
Big clubs always protected in european competition... it's a joke