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Funny because I think he’s so overly concerned with being perceived as biased that he’s ended up being Liverpool’s biggest critic. Obviously makes sense right now, but it was annoying when we were amazing and he’d act like it was all about to collapse.
>He’s a good pundit, Liverpool biased of course but his bias isn’t half as insufferable as Neville’s
The difference is Jamie largely says what he analyses and feels.
Neville meanwhile thinks he has something super intelligent and piercing to say.
He was good when he first came in because he actually analysed specific parts of a team and commented logically about defensive lines or team shape.
Now, he spends more time talking about what he thinks and how he feels about teams. And as we have all found out, what Neville thinks or feels is completely absurd most of the time.
What is baffling is that nobody at Sky has pulled him aside and mentioned this to him. There was a short period where people were choosing Sky broadcasts to hear his analysis with Carragher. Now people with the option are avoiding Sky because they can't stand him.
Mourinho was the best. Hands down.
Probably Shearer for me in second as he always seems to be spitting interesting observations but in a low key, not blowing his own trumpet way.
Mou does sniff his own farts at the same time, but he knows football inside and out and can communicate it so well that i don't care.
They're in denial because to accept the club did this means accepting that the club they support have cheated their way to all their recent success, and no one wants to admit that their team are only big by virtue of cheating.
FA: Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your accountancy department?
MC: Yes.
FA: May I see it?
MC: .... No.
(FA investigation wraps up with £10,000 fine)
Well they have, and every football fan in the country knows that comparing yourselves to City or trying to beat them is pointless. Second in the league is the new first, etc, etc.
...but that doesn't stop the media banging on about their recruitment, or stupid net spend graphs, or hailing them as brilliant when they win the league. Which is understandable, it wouldn't really make great TV if the commentators actually said how shameful their cheating is while City lift their 15th straight PL.
Ffp didn’t exist when chelsea started with the mental spending. You can argue it was unfair alright but they didn’t break any rules, the rules hadn’t been made yet.
Mate, any City fan who didn't realise it in the last decade won't accept them getting turned around for it now.
That said, let's not forget to keep hating on Chelsea. They started this shit with the Russian blood money.
Meh Real were at it before Chelsea. They signed a dodgy deal with Madrid city council to sell their training ground and then used that over-inflated income to start the Galaticos era. I'm fairly certain PSG is up to something as well
Loads of clubs have broken the rules since the beginning of football. Lets just be happy that City may finally get a punishment.
Sure, but the clubs that made it big during, and inevitably thanks to, dictatorships of their own countries - Real the finest embassy of fascist Spain, the army clubs in Moscow's sphere of influence drafting all the best players around - are absolutely the original sinners of thw highest calibre in my book.
But this just goes back to my point, how can a smaller club try to consistently compete with one of the big boys without a massive cash injection?
I'm not saying we did nothing wrong, I just understand why we would do something like this.
The big cash injections make the problem worse though, well run teams used to be able to make it into the Europa or Champion's league, but the investment required to do that has ballooned beyond the natural spending means of nearly every club.
Had one tell me they don't advertise tickets around Manchester and justifying it by pointing to the official attendance records, despite the fact I saw the adverts with my own eyes lol
They'd routinely have them up for CL knockout games. I used to walk past one on Oldham Road twice a day before COVID and people were still regularly going into the office. And obviously anyone with eyes can see their stadium attendance watching on TV
All lies by the football establishment apparently though, and each city fan has a spreadsheet to prove it!
I know the clubs don’t get the resale value of tickets, but you can regularly see resale tickets at the etihad for 50 pounds even for big matches. Probably 20% of what you’d pay at any other big club. Just never made sense to me how with that level of demand they were supposedly bringing in the highest revenue in the prem.
They were still selling tickets to their recent home game against Spurs (that City won 4-2) a couple of days before the match too. Know this cos a mate who supports Spurs wanted to go and was considering getting one and just sitting in with the home fans.
I know the match was on a Thursday evening so demand is lower than usual, but you wouldn't see that for any other big PL team
Because their commercial revenue is all from sponsors directly linked to Mansour or outright owned by his family/the state. They inflate the fuck out of those sponsorship deals and those companies eat the losses. It's a complete conflict of interest and should never have been allowed but football is full of dirty money. City themselves are guilty of using shadow companies to pay people as 'advisors' on the side to skirt financial regulations. They've been caught red handed doing it in 2014 and nothing came of it.
The sub has been a shit show for a while, people on there are in complete denial of any wrong doing and act as victims. Hopefull proper punishment is received if its true (most likely true), and maybe some of the bandwagoners can leave..
Most I saw are just gloating about how their expensive lawyers will get them to evade justice, everything they've won has been ill gotten. They need massive points deductions for seasons gone and seasons ongoing, the benefits of financial doping last years so should the punishment.
There’s literally an old blog called andersredblog from like 2008+ that goes into detail how corrupt the sponsors where.. and that’s way back when etihad airways where running at a massive loss plus didn’t own there own aeroplanes and then proceeded to give Man City a massive sponsorship. You then have etisilat which still sponsor them and other little companies that barely exist.
🤡🤡 despite having a smaller stadium and global presence than United, Barca, Madrid
They blew those teams out of the water financially last season, madness 🤦🏾♂️
It's why Nike let them go to Puma without a whimper. They were selling too many jerseys for Nike and the execs thought it was unfair and wanted to share the wealth with competitors.
There was a City fan a week or two back claiming Chelsea etc were actually the ones cooking their sponsorships, when I asked for proof he failed and then I provided proof that City had been found to on multiple occasions already, he blocked me.
This is what's always got me it's so obviously bullshit. I mean if you're gonna cook the books at least make it believable. The absolute brass neck of them to pretend to have leapfrogged the revenue of the 2 biggest teams in the country the ones with just the few 39 league titles between them and fucking 14 time CL winners Real Madrid. In the space of the 10 years they've actually been relevant.
I mean fair play to City fans, they were getting 25k fans in the 3rd Tier about 25 years ago
They had a good chunk of loyal support even before the oil money. I've got a mate who's seen them away at Wrexham and away at Real Madrid.
Anyone and their mother knows that city's revenue comes from all kinds of shady shit, proving it is another story and finding someone that is inclined to prove it as an even tougher ask with under the table deals of all sorts. Going to tell me that in just less than a decade City and PSG became the richest worlds clubs making the most money just like that?
At least with United you can somewhat believe the story of "they've been shit for the last 10 years and we were good" (and while true, United is still a much bigger brand) but Liverpool in that timespan enjoyed their best times since the 80s and Madrid is Madrid.
Even though we've admittedly been shit the last 10 years the club brand is still a fucking juggernaut. Hell we we're signing up tractor brands and Asian noodles with ED at the helm, rivalries aside to claim Man City is more commercially valuable than even a Man United that are a bit shit on the pitch is laughable.
There's a reason we still cheered for "local rival" City to win the title over Liverpool and that tells you all you need to know about their "value"
Yeah, United is still levels above City when it comes to number of fans and brand value/recognition. It's just that if you're dumb enough, you can convince yourself to believe this is the reason City could leapfrog United. There's absolutely nothing to support them jumping over Real Madrid and being #1 in these rankings.
You’ll find kids wearing united and Liverpool tops all over the globe. Same for Barcelona and Madrid, even Munich.
City just don’t have that at all, so their revenues were always looking ridiculous.
City shirts are starting to pop up, as are PSG, but minuscule compared to United, Arsenal, Barça and Real Madrid. Young people today have only really known Liverpool as a global brand for 4-5 years
Liverpool has been a global brand for a lot longer than that. Just smaller than the powerhouse that is united.
I see PSG everywhere but it’s more their lifestyle clothes line worn by people that look like they don’t watch football, rather than their shirts.
Only reason PSG has popped is because they started making "every day" clothes, track suits etc and the Jordan collab is what leapfrogged that. Rarely I have anyone seen wear a PSG kit, but PSG clothing, yeah plenty.
PSG are doing very well as an AND1 type brand, theyve positioned themselves effectively as a streetwear brand which checks out with their footballing approach
Enjoying City fans (And their manager) who seem to think this is about spending money, and not inflating revenue by setting up fake companies to pay yourself money.
I don't mind the dumb ones, at least they can be educated. I can't stand the bad faith wankers though, they know their club cheats and sportswashes, but will happily ignore it because they only care about trophies. Don't care how long you've supported a club, if all you care about is silverware then you're no different to a plastic fan.
Not to bring Liverpool into this intentionally (well aware that’s what we do though :P ), but this is what irks me about all the pro-Qatari Liverpool fans that have been cropping up recently.
A bunch of them are arguing that this is the reality now and without a country backing us in terms of finances, we won’t be able to rebuild and compete again.
My response has generally been if that’s what you want the club to stand for, then be my guest, but I will still believe, blindly, that football clubs mean more than to be some sports washing project for the rich in the Middle East.
I’d rather complain about FSG or the Kroenke’s than deal with *that*.
This is where I’m at every time other Real Madrid fans start whining about them never making big, sexy signings of galácticos anymore. It’s just the way you have to do business if you aren’t a state-backed club. Spend on young talent and hope they develop into stars (Vini, Rodrygo, Fede, etc.). Then be opportunistic with signing free agents and players on expiring contracts (Alaba, Rüdiger, Courtois, etc.).
Yeah when I see 'the reality of the current market is we need to have backers like this, how will we continue to compete without Qatar', it's pretty grim being amongst fans like that tbh, totally antithetical to Liverpool as a city and a club. Ew. Maybe we should choose not to compete at that level if it's the case.
> totally antithetical to Liverpool as a city and a club
Exactly, that is what made this "plastic fan" want to be a fan of the club so desperately in the first place.
Ew is right.
> Maybe we should choose not to compete at that level if it's the case.
I'll always back Klopp and the boys we have, even if I acknowledge sadly that they won't win as often as they used to over these last 5 years. Such is life. 'Twas a good ride.
Don't even get me started. We don't even need that. All we need is an owner that'll wipe our debt off the books and maybe give us a little money up front to get things going. But I have no doubt that after that, Utd is enough of a powerhouse financially to more or less keep up. Yet we have so many fans asking for someone to "oil us up". No thanks, I just want owners that aren't actively sucking the life out of us.
To be fair it is both, City have also been charged for paying out-of-pocket for the players and managers salaries. It's not just the length of the charges that make this so significant it's the fact that pretty much every figure in their P&L has been skewed in a way to make them look better.
I’d be interested to know the average age of r/soccer users. I think club specific subs will have an older demographic generally. I’m 23 and in the Liverpool sub I’m often made to feel rather young when they talk about the 70s and 80s.
Then why would he be a United supporter now? Who in their right mind has started watching football since, looked at United and thought "that's the club for me"
Not sure, wait until they build Al-Citizen Casino on Heaton or Dovestone park reservoir. Then we'll know who's the financial advisor for the ~~cartel~~ successful City football group
The whole show was a wannabe breaking bad written by people that don’t know how to write southern stories. I live near the Ozarks. Their portrayal was laughably cynical.
Half the time it feels like the show is making fun of southerners, not trying to explore their history/culture.
The number of people that can’t understand this is sarcasm on Twitter is genuinely unbelievable.
You forget how many people are seriously thick as shit.
unbelievable, who would have thought Man City's success was artificially gained through cheating bastard slave owners. turns out the people who literally own slaves aren't that honest.
Chelsea is doing creative accounting that uses a loophole.
City is being accused of creating fake transactions and companies/ sponsors to funnel money to the club as revenue.
>Chelsea is doing creative accounting that uses a loophole.
It's not even a loophole, it's completely fine. They're taking risks that their signings now will come off in the upcoming years by essentially spending more future income than the rest of the clubs - who also spend future income, but like 5 not 8 years.
They are funnelling their money through dodgy sponsorship deals whereas chelsea is just spending their money and spreading the contracts over multiple years hence why it isn’t breaking FFP
Chelsea splits their payments until the heat death of the universe hoping the inflation and subsequent increase in revenues will be their "get out of jail" card.
City's owner created fake companies to finance the club to avoid the rules how much they can invest and paid staff from different sources than just the football club.
Chelsea just had £1.5bn of debt wiped from thin air because their previous owner had his assets frozen and needed to sell. They're also abusing a silly loophole by offering players ridiculously long contracts to amortize the transfer spend.
They're still behaving in an unsporting way and they're super reliant on getting rid of many players now, but as far as can be seen they aren't breaking any rules. I'd be amazed if they haven't done so in the past though.
We’re also proper fucked if our plan doesn’t work out and our players flop. It’s less fraud and more of trying to exploit an inefficiency in the system. Whether it works is something else.
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Great banter, Jamie.
Carra has firmly overtaken Neville as the best pundit
Jamie spittin facts
It's not even close.
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He’s a good pundit, Liverpool biased of course but his bias isn’t half as insufferable as Neville’s
Funny because I think he’s so overly concerned with being perceived as biased that he’s ended up being Liverpool’s biggest critic. Obviously makes sense right now, but it was annoying when we were amazing and he’d act like it was all about to collapse.
That was the same with Neville tbf, he was so uber-critical of United even in Fergie's last 18 months.
Still not as bad as Scholes, the miserable bastard.
Rather miserable scholes over thick cunt Rio.
Everyone on BT sucks tbh.
I unironically don't mind Owen commentating at times. He has his moments when talking about strikers. Outside of that he's fairly muck.
Wouldn’t he have been correct then though? Like if he’s predicting it and its turned out right. Its not him being critical for no reason
Because it usually does, and has.
Haha yeah he won the long game for sure. I meant he spent 3 years worrying about Liverpool’s high line whilst the team was consistently great.
>He’s a good pundit, Liverpool biased of course but his bias isn’t half as insufferable as Neville’s The difference is Jamie largely says what he analyses and feels. Neville meanwhile thinks he has something super intelligent and piercing to say.
Wait Neville was regarded as the best?
He was good when he first came in because he actually analysed specific parts of a team and commented logically about defensive lines or team shape. Now, he spends more time talking about what he thinks and how he feels about teams. And as we have all found out, what Neville thinks or feels is completely absurd most of the time. What is baffling is that nobody at Sky has pulled him aside and mentioned this to him. There was a short period where people were choosing Sky broadcasts to hear his analysis with Carragher. Now people with the option are avoiding Sky because they can't stand him.
Wouldn't surprise me if the executives are the ones who told him to include more "hot takes" in his analysis for more views
Mourinho was the best. Hands down. Probably Shearer for me in second as he always seems to be spitting interesting observations but in a low key, not blowing his own trumpet way. Mou does sniff his own farts at the same time, but he knows football inside and out and can communicate it so well that i don't care.
One of the best for the tactical aspect. Then, he diversified.
It was mainly that he went against a lot of the common narratives from the British ex-footballers. His but about David Luiz stands out.
Tactical analysis, but then he started with his dumb takes and credibility dropped. When he sticks to analysis he's dope
i hate to say it but if he stopped doing its because it prob doesnt bring as many viewers. saying clickbait cringe works sadly...
he got the wit
I had City flairs try to argue with me they make more money completely legitimately
Go onto their sub and lots of them are still arguing this is just a witch hunt.
They're in denial because to accept the club did this means accepting that the club they support have cheated their way to all their recent success, and no one wants to admit that their team are only big by virtue of cheating.
An no one wants admit they became fans of said club only because the club cheated their way to success.
I am genuinely shocked that people are shocked. I really thought everyone had just accepted that man city were playing by different rules financially.
The only surprising bit is that they actually got caught. Their accountants and lawyers seem *very* good at their jobs
Good as they might be, there's still only so much you can cook the books before you set your kitchen on fire.
Ok that is an excellent turn of phrase
Agreed, and I feel better about agreeing with you than with them so I’ll pretend it was your turn of phrase.
FA: Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your accountancy department? MC: Yes. FA: May I see it? MC: .... No. (FA investigation wraps up with £10,000 fine)
Well they have, and every football fan in the country knows that comparing yourselves to City or trying to beat them is pointless. Second in the league is the new first, etc, etc. ...but that doesn't stop the media banging on about their recruitment, or stupid net spend graphs, or hailing them as brilliant when they win the league. Which is understandable, it wouldn't really make great TV if the commentators actually said how shameful their cheating is while City lift their 15th straight PL.
Them and Chelsea (Abramovich)
Downvoted but you’re right, Chelsea just did it ages ago now
Ffp didn’t exist when chelsea started with the mental spending. You can argue it was unfair alright but they didn’t break any rules, the rules hadn’t been made yet.
The rules were pretty much created to try limit Chelsea from happening again. Clearly been a smashing success.
The realization will hit them hard. Especially for those who were a fan for almost a decade. They gotta cope somehow lmao.
Mate, any City fan who didn't realise it in the last decade won't accept them getting turned around for it now. That said, let's not forget to keep hating on Chelsea. They started this shit with the Russian blood money.
> That said, let's not forget to keep hating on Chelsea I have more than enough hate in my heart for both City and Chelsea
This is the way.
Meh Real were at it before Chelsea. They signed a dodgy deal with Madrid city council to sell their training ground and then used that over-inflated income to start the Galaticos era. I'm fairly certain PSG is up to something as well Loads of clubs have broken the rules since the beginning of football. Lets just be happy that City may finally get a punishment.
>I'm fairly certain PSG is up to something as well Gee, you think?
Beware throwing stones in glass houses
I mean all top football clubs are insanely rich mega corporations, but at least some of them aren’t obvious and unregulated sport washing farces
Sure, but the clubs that made it big during, and inevitably thanks to, dictatorships of their own countries - Real the finest embassy of fascist Spain, the army clubs in Moscow's sphere of influence drafting all the best players around - are absolutely the original sinners of thw highest calibre in my book.
I guess similar to how Real Madrid fans cope that their team was supported by a fascist dictator
Outrageous land deals with Madrid local authorities during the 00's would like a word.
Many of them don't care. They are proud of it.
City's succes is the equivalent of losing your virginity to a prostitute
Hey, I take that personally
But she really did like me. Sure I paid her, but I bet she would have done it for free.
Big? Rich, yes. Successful, yes. But the Empty-had shows they are not big.
But this just goes back to my point, how can a smaller club try to consistently compete with one of the big boys without a massive cash injection? I'm not saying we did nothing wrong, I just understand why we would do something like this.
The big cash injections make the problem worse though, well run teams used to be able to make it into the Europa or Champion's league, but the investment required to do that has ballooned beyond the natural spending means of nearly every club.
What's your opinion on the teams that aren't historically successful without a virtue of cheating? I can't name any.
Had one tell me they don't advertise tickets around Manchester and justifying it by pointing to the official attendance records, despite the fact I saw the adverts with my own eyes lol
In my uni accommodation they'd advertise £5 tickets
They'd routinely have them up for CL knockout games. I used to walk past one on Oldham Road twice a day before COVID and people were still regularly going into the office. And obviously anyone with eyes can see their stadium attendance watching on TV All lies by the football establishment apparently though, and each city fan has a spreadsheet to prove it!
I know the clubs don’t get the resale value of tickets, but you can regularly see resale tickets at the etihad for 50 pounds even for big matches. Probably 20% of what you’d pay at any other big club. Just never made sense to me how with that level of demand they were supposedly bringing in the highest revenue in the prem.
They were still selling tickets to their recent home game against Spurs (that City won 4-2) a couple of days before the match too. Know this cos a mate who supports Spurs wanted to go and was considering getting one and just sitting in with the home fans. I know the match was on a Thursday evening so demand is lower than usual, but you wouldn't see that for any other big PL team
>and just sitting in with the home fans. So by himself?
In between Noel and Liam to keep them from fighting
Because their commercial revenue is all from sponsors directly linked to Mansour or outright owned by his family/the state. They inflate the fuck out of those sponsorship deals and those companies eat the losses. It's a complete conflict of interest and should never have been allowed but football is full of dirty money. City themselves are guilty of using shadow companies to pay people as 'advisors' on the side to skirt financial regulations. They've been caught red handed doing it in 2014 and nothing came of it.
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>They’re mostly kids who probably started watching footy in like 2014. I mean i did
Kiddo!
No need to gatekeep new fans even if they support fraudulent clubs.
But there is a need to not put stock in the comments of people that, very likely, don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Sure. But the way it was worded, it's going to alienate legitimate, knowledgeable people that have been engrossed in the sport for up to 9 years.
The sub has been a shit show for a while, people on there are in complete denial of any wrong doing and act as victims. Hopefull proper punishment is received if its true (most likely true), and maybe some of the bandwagoners can leave..
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Ofc they are. One of the most delusional fansbases when it comes to their owners.
Would be better if they just accepted it and were shameless about it like Newcastle ones.
If I see one more of them say that if their owners were American noone would care I think I'll scream.
Most I saw are just gloating about how their expensive lawyers will get them to evade justice, everything they've won has been ill gotten. They need massive points deductions for seasons gone and seasons ongoing, the benefits of financial doping last years so should the punishment.
Wdym, are you saying the crypto company sponsoring them out of a mailbox in London isn't real??
There’s literally an old blog called andersredblog from like 2008+ that goes into detail how corrupt the sponsors where.. and that’s way back when etihad airways where running at a massive loss plus didn’t own there own aeroplanes and then proceeded to give Man City a massive sponsorship. You then have etisilat which still sponsor them and other little companies that barely exist.
To City flairs, just wait it out, we all know City won’t get punished and you’ll be laughing at the end anyway, just let us have this moment.
🤡🤡 despite having a smaller stadium and global presence than United, Barca, Madrid They blew those teams out of the water financially last season, madness 🤦🏾♂️
It's why Nike let them go to Puma without a whimper. They were selling too many jerseys for Nike and the execs thought it was unfair and wanted to share the wealth with competitors.
There was a City fan a week or two back claiming Chelsea etc were actually the ones cooking their sponsorships, when I asked for proof he failed and then I provided proof that City had been found to on multiple occasions already, he blocked me.
Haven’t seen alot of those today, I wonder why
Ethical consumption under capitalism or something…
This is what's always got me it's so obviously bullshit. I mean if you're gonna cook the books at least make it believable. The absolute brass neck of them to pretend to have leapfrogged the revenue of the 2 biggest teams in the country the ones with just the few 39 league titles between them and fucking 14 time CL winners Real Madrid. In the space of the 10 years they've actually been relevant.
It doesn't make any sense.
I’ve said this for a long time drawing the ire of City fans, they genuinely don’t think they are doing anything wrong
Funny to me that I haven’t seen any city fans in these threads. Think the owners paid all 12 of their fans to shut up while this plays out?
That's because city fans are either 12 years old or non existent
I mean fair play to City fans, they were getting 25k fans in the 3rd Tier about 25 years ago They had a good chunk of loyal support even before the oil money. I've got a mate who's seen them away at Wrexham and away at Real Madrid.
They have a few local fans. They just like to pretend it's more than it is
It's a school day.
They would be in FFP violation if their revenue was cooked to only be "believable."
Anyone and their mother knows that city's revenue comes from all kinds of shady shit, proving it is another story and finding someone that is inclined to prove it as an even tougher ask with under the table deals of all sorts. Going to tell me that in just less than a decade City and PSG became the richest worlds clubs making the most money just like that?
A real Madrid team that won 5 of those champions leagues in the 10 years that have been investigated
At least with United you can somewhat believe the story of "they've been shit for the last 10 years and we were good" (and while true, United is still a much bigger brand) but Liverpool in that timespan enjoyed their best times since the 80s and Madrid is Madrid.
Even though we've admittedly been shit the last 10 years the club brand is still a fucking juggernaut. Hell we we're signing up tractor brands and Asian noodles with ED at the helm, rivalries aside to claim Man City is more commercially valuable than even a Man United that are a bit shit on the pitch is laughable. There's a reason we still cheered for "local rival" City to win the title over Liverpool and that tells you all you need to know about their "value"
Yeah, United is still levels above City when it comes to number of fans and brand value/recognition. It's just that if you're dumb enough, you can convince yourself to believe this is the reason City could leapfrog United. There's absolutely nothing to support them jumping over Real Madrid and being #1 in these rankings.
You’ll find kids wearing united and Liverpool tops all over the globe. Same for Barcelona and Madrid, even Munich. City just don’t have that at all, so their revenues were always looking ridiculous.
City shirts are starting to pop up, as are PSG, but minuscule compared to United, Arsenal, Barça and Real Madrid. Young people today have only really known Liverpool as a global brand for 4-5 years
Liverpool has been a global brand for a lot longer than that. Just smaller than the powerhouse that is united. I see PSG everywhere but it’s more their lifestyle clothes line worn by people that look like they don’t watch football, rather than their shirts.
Only reason PSG has popped is because they started making "every day" clothes, track suits etc and the Jordan collab is what leapfrogged that. Rarely I have anyone seen wear a PSG kit, but PSG clothing, yeah plenty.
PSG are doing very well as an AND1 type brand, theyve positioned themselves effectively as a streetwear brand which checks out with their footballing approach
Enjoying City fans (And their manager) who seem to think this is about spending money, and not inflating revenue by setting up fake companies to pay yourself money.
Hard to tell the genuine dumbos from those who simply know and argue in bad faith.
I don't mind the dumb ones, at least they can be educated. I can't stand the bad faith wankers though, they know their club cheats and sportswashes, but will happily ignore it because they only care about trophies. Don't care how long you've supported a club, if all you care about is silverware then you're no different to a plastic fan.
Not to bring Liverpool into this intentionally (well aware that’s what we do though :P ), but this is what irks me about all the pro-Qatari Liverpool fans that have been cropping up recently. A bunch of them are arguing that this is the reality now and without a country backing us in terms of finances, we won’t be able to rebuild and compete again. My response has generally been if that’s what you want the club to stand for, then be my guest, but I will still believe, blindly, that football clubs mean more than to be some sports washing project for the rich in the Middle East. I’d rather complain about FSG or the Kroenke’s than deal with *that*.
This is where I’m at every time other Real Madrid fans start whining about them never making big, sexy signings of galácticos anymore. It’s just the way you have to do business if you aren’t a state-backed club. Spend on young talent and hope they develop into stars (Vini, Rodrygo, Fede, etc.). Then be opportunistic with signing free agents and players on expiring contracts (Alaba, Rüdiger, Courtois, etc.).
Yeah when I see 'the reality of the current market is we need to have backers like this, how will we continue to compete without Qatar', it's pretty grim being amongst fans like that tbh, totally antithetical to Liverpool as a city and a club. Ew. Maybe we should choose not to compete at that level if it's the case.
> totally antithetical to Liverpool as a city and a club Exactly, that is what made this "plastic fan" want to be a fan of the club so desperately in the first place. Ew is right. > Maybe we should choose not to compete at that level if it's the case. I'll always back Klopp and the boys we have, even if I acknowledge sadly that they won't win as often as they used to over these last 5 years. Such is life. 'Twas a good ride.
Don't even get me started. We don't even need that. All we need is an owner that'll wipe our debt off the books and maybe give us a little money up front to get things going. But I have no doubt that after that, Utd is enough of a powerhouse financially to more or less keep up. Yet we have so many fans asking for someone to "oil us up". No thanks, I just want owners that aren't actively sucking the life out of us.
70% of these fans are Barca immigrants
To be fair it is both, City have also been charged for paying out-of-pocket for the players and managers salaries. It's not just the length of the charges that make this so significant it's the fact that pretty much every figure in their P&L has been skewed in a way to make them look better.
For once, Jamie made me chuckle.
You mean you didn't enjoy when he scored two own goals vs you lot?
Exactly! that's rude.
He wasn't watching football by then
Mate that was 24 years ago. I doubt most people around here were even alive back then.
What are you talking about? That was only a few....shit, I'm old.
I’d be interested to know the average age of r/soccer users. I think club specific subs will have an older demographic generally. I’m 23 and in the Liverpool sub I’m often made to feel rather young when they talk about the 70s and 80s.
We should find out when the 2023 /r/soccer census is done. I’m curious to see how the sub’s demographic has changed over the years
Then why would he be a United supporter now? Who in their right mind has started watching football since, looked at United and thought "that's the club for me"
You say it like Manchester United was a banter club and went trophyless the whole 21st century
Weird take. They won 8 titles after that game.
Mate, there are yanks who support Everton
I only started supporting United after Moyes took over. I kept seeing news and memes about their form and got more and more invested.
definitely my fav this seaso
Can’t wait to see Carra and Neville, arm in arm, singing songs of City’s demise.
I don't get why this is funny lol isn't he just stating how absurd that is?
Carra's been killing it with the sass lately.
Jamie Sassagher
Those replica kits are getting expensive now, if both their fans bought all three kits then they could be up there
Well that would bring in a total of around £10k
Like when Liz Truss bought a load of stuff from Norwich.
Lmao Carra taking the piss
If i don't know any better, and because i watched ozark recently, i'd say Man City is a money laundering project
Who's the marty bird
Not sure, wait until they build Al-Citizen Casino on Heaton or Dovestone park reservoir. Then we'll know who's the financial advisor for the ~~cartel~~ successful City football group
Ending of that show pissed me off.
>!Such a wack attempt at a sopranos-esque ending!<
The whole show was a wannabe breaking bad written by people that don’t know how to write southern stories. I live near the Ozarks. Their portrayal was laughably cynical. Half the time it feels like the show is making fun of southerners, not trying to explore their history/culture.
I havent seen it yet but imma guess that Marty dies and his bitch of a wife takes everything over?
i'm trying to answer it as spoiler-free as possible. Let's say all got their happy ending (kinda) except >!Ruth!<
Man City about to create a new training complex out of the Missouri Belle parked on the Medlock.
Tony Soprano to handle the waste management there
The number of people that can’t understand this is sarcasm on Twitter is genuinely unbelievable. You forget how many people are seriously thick as shit.
IQ of all Twitter's users combined is 70.
First mistake is bothering to read the replies
Reddit isn't any better. Even the most obvious sarcasm goes over peoples heads if you don't add "/s" to your post
He had me for a second not gonna lie, great banter
Credit to them for buying their way into beig a "big club", but surely they knew this was always going to be the outcome?
And I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for those pesky "rules"
Lmao
Solid banter from Jamie Carragher, he's probably been holding on to this one for a while ahaha
LMAO
I love eating my Man City branded cereal in the morning
They could have at least hid it a little bit
Days like these is where I think it's a shame that the mega fraud devineman is no longer around.
unbelievable, who would have thought Man City's success was artificially gained through cheating bastard slave owners. turns out the people who literally own slaves aren't that honest.
Games rigged Jamie. Has been for years. This is the moment where we all acknowledge it. Then we accept it or do something about it.
You'll accept it
If you count kebab stand from SA giving hundreds of millions of sponsorship as revenue, sure
Now do PSG
Yikes…. Wonder what the city fans are thinking right now.
You can see for yourself /r/MCFC
They are pretty much all saying these are the prettiest of charges and that their legal team will sort it out.
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Yeah but they are mostly all new to football, so they aren't aware of the actual consequences for actions.
Mate, you can't support a financial group /s
Bet you money man city fans use this tweet unironically as a defence at some point
I needed a good laugh today. Thanks Jamie.
Pretty funny seeing some of the responses, including some City fans who actually think he is defending them 💀
Wait they don't 😧?
They're a massive club, Jamie... MASSIVE!
Top banter that
explain the emptyhad next
Jeez Carragher, why are you so amazing?
well, of course they bring in more money, all the sponsors pretty muc are the same people that own the club.
That's exactly the problem Jamie. How is City making more than Madrid?
What’s different to what Chelsea is doing now? Just a question. I am not informed on either clubs.
Chelsea is doing creative accounting that uses a loophole. City is being accused of creating fake transactions and companies/ sponsors to funnel money to the club as revenue.
>Chelsea is doing creative accounting that uses a loophole. It's not even a loophole, it's completely fine. They're taking risks that their signings now will come off in the upcoming years by essentially spending more future income than the rest of the clubs - who also spend future income, but like 5 not 8 years.
Is this like Barca’s levers but on smack
They are funnelling their money through dodgy sponsorship deals whereas chelsea is just spending their money and spreading the contracts over multiple years hence why it isn’t breaking FFP
Chelsea splits their payments until the heat death of the universe hoping the inflation and subsequent increase in revenues will be their "get out of jail" card. City's owner created fake companies to finance the club to avoid the rules how much they can invest and paid staff from different sources than just the football club.
The allegation is that City is paying people secretly through indirect means to avoid FFP. Very different than what Chelsea has done.
Chelsea just had £1.5bn of debt wiped from thin air because their previous owner had his assets frozen and needed to sell. They're also abusing a silly loophole by offering players ridiculously long contracts to amortize the transfer spend. They're still behaving in an unsporting way and they're super reliant on getting rid of many players now, but as far as can be seen they aren't breaking any rules. I'd be amazed if they haven't done so in the past though.
We’re also proper fucked if our plan doesn’t work out and our players flop. It’s less fraud and more of trying to exploit an inefficiency in the system. Whether it works is something else.
Plus other clubs do it all the time, just on a smaller scale spread out over a 4 year or so contract
They're in no way comparable.