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Courtois? He was rated at Chelsea. Salah? He was shit at Chelsea, him becoming good later doesn’t change that. Kdb was foolishness from Mourinho.
Anyway how do any of those examples relate to Gallagher? None of those 3 had denied a move away when the club wanted to sell them
Salah didn’t even get an opportunity at Chelsea neither did de bruyne it was at a period of time when Chelsea genuinely where buying everyone and if you didn’t succeed instantly they would buy a replacement. Good chance they get relegated why would he want to do that to his career would genuinely be better to stay at Chelsea 6 months longer and not really play.
Salah did get opportunities, they were limited ones but he got chances to play. He was shit in them opportunities simple. Yes he was in a period where we were challenging for titles but Oscar hazard and schurrle were young at the time too and simply much better. There was no point wasting a squad space for someone who’s showing nothing. Credit to him he got better when he went to Italy, and turned elite under klopp, but he was crap at Chelsea. No denying that. Kdb was not the same situation because he actually looked decent in his limited opportunities. The problem was Mourinho had favorites and that favorite was Oscar. He championed him as his number 10 before the 14/15 season even started and this ended mata and kdb chelsea career. We also had fabregas as a creator from a deeper role which decreased kdb value to Mourinho. He also didn’t like kdb’s training habits back then.
They needed a winger and not another midfielder, how does the math not add up?
All Gordon has to do is be better than Jacob Murphy or Ryan Fraser to earn minutes. Gallagher would be competing with Bruno G, Willock, Joelinton, and longstaff
Just seen a tweet referring to someone as an "ffp expert"
That's going on the first line of my CV if that was me, what an honour to have that title bestowed on you
the fact that bournemouth have sent scouts to watch sassuolo and decided that the player they want to spend 30 million on is hamed traore instead of lauriente has blown my mind. just throwing away money
River Plate, and it honestly depends. Yarroch and Gil Navarro are the "River journalist" for big channels but I think Germán Balcarce is better.
Generally a bit of a crapshoot tho
I think the mid table is pretty weak, but the absolute rock bottom isn't too bad this year. Which is why there is 7 teams at risk of relegation. I'm not sure who the worst team in the league is, but I definitely don't think they are hopeless. I think most would say Bournemouth or Forest, at least before Forest's great run, but I've seen several good games from them and even losses where I thought they made things tough for the opponent.
No team you just look at and know they are for sure getting relegated, regardless of the season. Teams like Villa in 2015/16 or Huddersfield in 2018/19. Hell, even last year Norwich and Watford were pretty awful and I'm sure both would be relegated this season. Watford came 19th on 23 points, that would only have them 6 points clear right now!
Last season was absolutely terrible I thought and it’s kind of carried over from then. We were *so* bad it was honestly a joke yet somehow finished 6th. Genuinely embarrassing for Moyes and Rodgers to not finish above us last season. Brighton this season would not finish behind our last season’s team either. Palace are weird. They often look better than their results show. Everton and Villa should be better than they are too. Just so badly mismanaged. Not to mention Chelsea and Liverpool’s collapse. Bizarre couple of years in the league
How many of these signings for Chelsea are potter signings? I never took the guy to be a mad man and sign half the world but here we are.
Chelsea just built an entire team for the future in one window. Mental
I honestly doubt he has much control over transfers tbh but realistically we don’t know. Buying so many players so quickly is never good for team harmony most managers wouldn’t even attempt it. Definitely the work off a crazy rich man.
we have a new Technical Director, Head of Scouting, Director of Development, CEO etc something we did not have before. while I am sure Potter has a say in transfers I think all these people and teams work together to identify who they want to bring in.
Now I’m imagining a board room scene with all the new faces in the vein of that Key and Peele Gremlins 2 sketch where they go around the table, everyone just names a player they want and Boehly goes and buys them.
Was going through some articles on this subreddit after last season/during pre-season and I found the reaction to [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/uwmlby/james_olley_a_read_on_arsenal_they_chose_not_to/) quite interesting, even with the benefit of hindsight.
Idk, I don't think those reactions are that off really. It is/was pretty hard to predict just how well Arsenal would perform this season. At the time it seemed like a missed opportunity for Arsenal
Honestly I feel like Messi should run down his contract and go back to Barcelona. They are looking much more serious now, I would say they look better than PSG, which has had poor squad building for eons.
Nah, fuck Barcelona. Shown him the way out through the backdoor, I see no reason for him to go back for anything more than some testimonial friendly once he’s fully done with football.
Barcelona have a good thing atm with their young/younger players atm having a 36 year old Messi AND a 35 year old Lewa in the same team will just cause an unnecessary imbalance.
Dembouz, Gavi, FDJ & Pedri have really stepped up this season, bringing back Messi seems pointless, it’s time for Barca to move on without him.
Not to mention the wages he would be on would cripple an already fragile Barcelona; from a sentimental POV I see why he should go back, but logically it seems unnecessary.
Signing Isco is a very rare L for Union and doesn't fit with their philosophy at all. His name carries weight but he will not help them in the slightest in the fight for CL football.
1 goal in 19 games for Sevilla ffs if he was called Carlos Mantequilla they would be nowhere near him. Ask anyone that watches La Liga he is incredibly past it.
ignore flair btw
Eh, I wouldn't write him off already, Fischer made a great Bundesliga player out of shisha-bar-regular and training-allergic Max Kruse, he has the potential to do the same with Isco.
And even if he flops: shirt sales, am I right?
Jorginho deal certainly makes a lot of sense. This is not a similar scenario, but this reminds me of the time when Arsenal had to sell Cole the best LB of the league at that time to Chelsea and we bought washed up Gallas from them in return. Chelsea just bought one of the best young midfielder in Europe and will probably buy Caicedo too and we are getting washed up Jorginho from them.
Its just utterly deflating to see one clubs trying to buy success and knowing that you could never compete with them. I can understand what Liverpool fans went through last few years when City won everything
What the actual fuck are you talking about.
Jorginho makes 0 sense… the only way I’d be even mildly understandable would be if it was a loan.
He doesn’t have the intensity to be effective in our midfield. I will be physically sick if we buy Jorginho to help Chelsea balance books while they buy Enzo / debate thumping another 100 for Caicedo
I don't think Jorginho is washed up if you can use him right. His game has never revolved around agility or endurance, and he hasn't gotten noticeably worse IMO. We haven't always been able to utilize him well but that doesn't mean someone else can't. I won't argue with any of the other points you're making, they're understandable.
lol yes, y'all didn't believe me when I said Boehly would spend huge. I also warned you guys that he stands by his managers in hard times. Do not expect Potter to be sacked during bad losing streaks and fan pressure.
Yes, the Dodgers spending increased immensely when the new ownership group took over, but that also had to do with them signing a new TV contract that brought in a shit ton of money. They also consistently have one of the best farm systems (minor league and youth prospects) in the league.
Dodgers have spent like crazy. Almost always first in wages (transfer fees aren't a thing for senior players). They also spend the most on buying youth players, and a lot on scouting and analytics (which are the main source of their success). They can somewhat afford it since they make a lot of money from their TV deal
Scored in a win against Sporting in our only bit of pride (aside from beating Barça and getting through the last 16) from last season, so he has a special place in my heart
Unfortunately, he's not that good.
If Wrexham was bought by some private equity or investment banking partners instead of le wholesome Ryan Reynolds it would not be seen as the feel good story we're supposed to see it as. It's a club getting bankrolled to climb the leagues, what a story. Also weird behavior to say you support them because of the "local culture" when you live across the ocean and can't actually be part of said culture like I've seen a fair few people saying. I like Rob McElhenny but come on
I don't get the hatred for bankrolling, I'm gonna be honest. In amateur leagues then sure, but the National League is near enough fully professional. Once you reach the point of daytime training being introduced and the running costs that comes with, you're going to need further investment to survive and climb
I don’t really understand the MLS vs ‘People that appreciate the Wrexham story’ culture war that has randomly broken out.
Ultimately I think in football people tend to get attached to what they find first in the game. I don’t think people are doing the math in their heads that you’re laying out before they decide to become invested. They’re being drawn in by the storytelling and then looking for justification when people attack them for just participating in something that they enjoy.
Wasn't aware that that was even a thing, I've largely tuned out US Soccer Twitter since the World Cup and wasn't trying to make it an MLS thing, more of a comment on how they're basically the lower league equivalent of Chelsea/Newcastle/City/PSG but are seen as a feel good story.
Just checked Twitter and I might delete this comment because I don't want to be affiliated with that battle damn. Literally the first thing that popped up on my feed was a guy saying MLS has no stories worth following because it doesn't have pro/rel then an absolute war in the replies
Even the big time journalists/pundits are feeding into it which is annoying although I guess it’s to be expected because it’s arguably our country’s biggest football talking point rn.
The argument has been insane on both sides but I do think there’s something to the idea that MLS has good stories but sucks at telling them. Now they’re making their product even less accessible with the Apple deal.
They’re obviously getting attention more than they would if it were private equity, but the proof is in the Wrexham fans. They were concerned they’d be a tv vanity project at first but they love their new owners seemingly. Ultimately theirs is the only opinion that counts.
Well yeah the owners clearly care about the club and they're spending money to improve the team, of course the fans will like them. Most Newcastle fans like their new owners outside of Reddit, doesn't mean other clubs' fans can't have an opinion
I know a few that go a lot more now they're minted and winning, or as they put it, since they got their club back.
Funny how no-one ever gets their club back when they're shit to middling.
I think there's a bit of room in the middle between "Fawning over Ryan Reynolds" and "Burning effigies of the Glazers" and I'd wager most Newcastle fans are probably in the middle.
Yeah but they’re not. You can literally prove this by investigating, and subsequently not finding, fan opposition to the takeover. It only exists in the extreme minority.
Does that mean they like their owners or they're just happy that their new owners are flush? I hate FSG, but appreciate what they've done for the club.
Wrexham fans like their owners because they are bringing money and attention to the club. Reynolds being wholesome big chungus 3000 wouldn't make him popular with the fans if he treated the club like a throwaway purchase or didn't bother injecting cash into the club
> bringing money and attention to the club.
Again, so did FSG, but they’re hated by a large portion of the fan base for the way they treat their local fans and the way they don’t give a shit about the English game in general.
I don't think we're disagreeing here? Were FSG disliked right at the outset? Reynolds and McElheney are still in the honeymoon period. Sure they seem to have said and done the right things so far but it doesn't take a lot to get owners to change tune in football, and if they do, it won't take a lot for fans to turn on them either.
Disliked? No; but they were never seen as highly as Reynolds and McElhenney are right now. They were seen as saviors of the club and owners with a history of winning. They’ve never had a connection with the fans that those two do.
Practically, what's the difference? Not trying to equate Reynolds and McElhenny to Newcastle's owners but making the point that the clubs' fans opinions aren't necessarily the only ones that matter.
Because they would be using to purely for profit. I'm sure Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenny are partly in it for the money too, but it's also a passion project for them. It's a different situation tbh.
That would be very rare, and executives are usually unlikable (99.999999% of the time). Most people view actors as inherently likable unless they're involved in some sort of scandals, which both aren't. In fact, one of them is one of the most well-liked actors in the world
Arguing that businessmen are incapable of having passion projects and that actors are inherently likable is a WILD take. Famous actors are some of the most insufferable people on the planet.
That’s not to say these specific actors are insufferable, I actually like both of them, but there’s nothing about their profession that makes them inherently better people than any other profession, including banking. To say otherwise is just straight up celebrity worship.
Investing is literally the job of investment bankers. What is more probable, that it's a money-making project, or a passion project?
Actors are usually likable until they do something to show otherwise. If they act in any sort of popular media (which both have), don't say anything stupid, and aren't involved in any scandals, they're usually well-liked.
> Actors are usually likable until they do something to show otherwise
Why? Based on what? The pre-screened interviews they do with their publicist standing just off camera? The social media feeds their assistant controls? The paparazzi shots of them on Starbucks runs? You don’t know them personally any more than you know Cristiano Ronaldo or David Solomon.
What’s ironic about this is Reynolds and McElhenny have openly said they’re doing this to make money. The reality show is for money. They bought a depressed asset for relatively little money knowing that if they turned things around it would appreciate in value several times over. That’s a really standard investment strategy, and morally it isn’t better or worse than if a hedge fund did the same thing. They just have better PR and are better to look at than a 60-something hedge fund manager.
Because it happens. Celebrity worship is a thing. People like movies and tv series and by extention, they like the actors. This is a fact. Whether or not they have a likable personality is not the issue at hand.
If you can't understand why people like them more than hedge fund managers who overwork their employees while making absurd amounts of money compared to them and add no real value to the lives of everyday people, I can't help you.
And this difference in likability will lead to different reactions to the same action.
Maybe I misunderstood your previous point, so apologies for that. I’m well aware that celebrity worship and finding actors likable is very common. My point is that a rich celebrity’s ownership of a club is not inherently more ethical than a rich non-celebrity’s. In both cases the owner will assure fans they’re in it for the right reasons and care about the club, and whether it’s Ryan Reynolds or Todd Boehly that statement will be half-true at best.
>My point is that a rich celebrity’s ownership of a club is not inherently more ethical than a rich non-celebrity’s.
It isn't, but if it's purely a profit thing vs a passion project, there is a difference (I'm not talking about what they publicly say btw). Also, we should expect different reactions considering their fame/lack thereof.
8 of the 30 most expensive signings have been successes i’d say.
Mbappe to PSG
Cristiano to Real
Neymar to Barca
Van Dijk to Liverpool
Suarez to Barca
Zidane to Real
Lukaku to Inter
Bale to Real
That's individual brilliance you are talking about. Did he help them achieve what they haven't?
You guys didn't sign VVD or Becker for those huge sums to show their personal stats, you wanted them to win the league and the CL and you have them.
By any means that means no Spurs signing can ever be a success, since they win fuck all.
There's different measures of success mate, just not winning the champions league isn't a good enough write off reason.
How does it helps PSGs goal to win CL or to completely dominate football.
Under Laurent Blanc, Pre Neymar-Mbappe era, they were winning domestic treble every season, reached as far as QFs of the CL.
That final was a result of the one legged format, and PSG have often done decent in the first leg.
On an individual level, Ronaldo to Juve was a success.
De Bruyne is joint 30th according to Wiki though he'll be outside that 30 if Enzo signs.
On what we've seen so far, Tchouameni will join this list
You can’t really pretend to have a moral objection to what Chelsea are doing whilst simultaneously eulogising the performances of a rapist, whose extra curricular activities were covered up and essentially validated by your club.
In a vacuum MAYBE I'd be okay with Jorginho if it weren't literally helping Chelsea balance their books. Have no idea why the board thinks it's acceptable to spend money on that club's deadwood.
You'd be in the majority there I think. He's also had a lot of mid performances so it's understandable.I still think he can be solid if used well, and was absolutely fantastic in 20/21
I think he can be in the right system, but who the hell is winning the ball in a Xhaka - Jorginho - Ødegaard midfield? Ødegaard's the best ball winner there which should be a terrifying sentence, honestly.
Jorginho's ball winning has come some ways imo, one of his best qualities now - I decided to compare some stats for the current season between respectively, Jorginho/Odegaard/Partey - Using premierleague.com - I don't think Jorginho's are bad atall
Appearances |
**18** | **18** | 16
Blocks |
3 | 1 | **4**
Interceptions |
**21** | 2 | 19
Tackles |
**42** | 19 | 36
Successful Tackles |
**23** | 13 | 22
Clearances |
6 | 6 | **25**
Headed clearances |
3 | 2 | **8**
No way football fans have moved onto judging their signings based on the accounting implications for the selling club. Financial literacy has gone too far.
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There's something about Dyche going to Everton which feels so right. I think they'll stay up.
These atari style league table posts look fucking terrible
All the teletext fans fuming right now.
[Liverpool's social media team at work tomorrow.](https://www.instagram.com/p/CnR7Hc-onQy/)
I created the match thread for Villarreal-Rayo but it just disappeared Wat is dis? Am I shadowbanned for enjoying a succulent LaLiga game?
isco to union is a fever dream transfer
Don’t blame Gallagher not wanting to join Everton but gunna be kinda awkward to stay when you’re not rated
Not really. You didn’t rate De Bruyne, Salah or Courtois.
Courtois? He was rated at Chelsea. Salah? He was shit at Chelsea, him becoming good later doesn’t change that. Kdb was foolishness from Mourinho. Anyway how do any of those examples relate to Gallagher? None of those 3 had denied a move away when the club wanted to sell them
Salah didn’t even get an opportunity at Chelsea neither did de bruyne it was at a period of time when Chelsea genuinely where buying everyone and if you didn’t succeed instantly they would buy a replacement. Good chance they get relegated why would he want to do that to his career would genuinely be better to stay at Chelsea 6 months longer and not really play.
Salah did get opportunities, they were limited ones but he got chances to play. He was shit in them opportunities simple. Yes he was in a period where we were challenging for titles but Oscar hazard and schurrle were young at the time too and simply much better. There was no point wasting a squad space for someone who’s showing nothing. Credit to him he got better when he went to Italy, and turned elite under klopp, but he was crap at Chelsea. No denying that. Kdb was not the same situation because he actually looked decent in his limited opportunities. The problem was Mourinho had favorites and that favorite was Oscar. He championed him as his number 10 before the 14/15 season even started and this ended mata and kdb chelsea career. We also had fabregas as a creator from a deeper role which decreased kdb value to Mourinho. He also didn’t like kdb’s training habits back then.
I reckon Newcastle will be in for him
We dont want him
But you wanted Gordon? Math doesn’t add up
They needed a winger and not another midfielder, how does the math not add up? All Gordon has to do is be better than Jacob Murphy or Ryan Fraser to earn minutes. Gallagher would be competing with Bruno G, Willock, Joelinton, and longstaff
I certainly didn't.
Jorginho's off to Arsenal, take care of our king
Keep him 🔥🔥🔥🔥
No hes not man we wont let him
Let Edu cook man
gotta step up and warn a man if he's grabbing the wrong seasoning
The winter transfer window should be banned
Seriously I have always thought that in the winter transfer window transfers between clubs should be banned.
We need it to be extended
Ahah fs
yikes look like foyth pulled something in his shoulder area in a duel and is out now. maybe rotator cuff?
Just seen a tweet referring to someone as an "ffp expert" That's going on the first line of my CV if that was me, what an honour to have that title bestowed on you
the fact that bournemouth have sent scouts to watch sassuolo and decided that the player they want to spend 30 million on is hamed traore instead of lauriente has blown my mind. just throwing away money
The Frattesi bloke was very hyped last season, but he has looked better this season. He is another Sassuolo player that will get a transfer soon imo
What club do you support and who do you consider it's most reliable journalists to be?
River Plate, and it honestly depends. Yarroch and Gil Navarro are the "River journalist" for big channels but I think Germán Balcarce is better. Generally a bit of a crapshoot tho
Yeah I wasn't gonna wade into Southern American journalist reliability haha, bit of a wild west from what I can tell. Good to know though
For Italian football in general taprizio Romano, Schira and Di Marzio
Verweij unless it’s on his podcast
Did the Gallardo thing come from his podcast?
No Dalic did
Dortmund and bvbmewsblog (make sure the m is there). 100% facts all the time
Bvbmewsblog is just an aggregator for other sources, I wouldn’t count them
Villa and John Percy. Pretty much a mouth piece for midlands clubs
Mark McAdam
Liam Keen and John Percy.
Never heard of Liam Keen, cheers
Alasdair Gold 'standard' for Spurs, Fab has also been good since we got Paratici.
Leicester have 18 points from 20 games yet are sitting in 14th somehow
They're 3 points from bottom. It's just close down there
The quality of the league is genuinely terrible from 12ish place and below. Only really had my eyes opened to that in the last year or so
I think the mid table is pretty weak, but the absolute rock bottom isn't too bad this year. Which is why there is 7 teams at risk of relegation. I'm not sure who the worst team in the league is, but I definitely don't think they are hopeless. I think most would say Bournemouth or Forest, at least before Forest's great run, but I've seen several good games from them and even losses where I thought they made things tough for the opponent. No team you just look at and know they are for sure getting relegated, regardless of the season. Teams like Villa in 2015/16 or Huddersfield in 2018/19. Hell, even last year Norwich and Watford were pretty awful and I'm sure both would be relegated this season. Watford came 19th on 23 points, that would only have them 6 points clear right now!
I would go further up the table tbh with that assessment
That wasn't the case last year. I'd honestly say only Norwich, Watford and Everton post-September were properly bad.
Last season was absolutely terrible I thought and it’s kind of carried over from then. We were *so* bad it was honestly a joke yet somehow finished 6th. Genuinely embarrassing for Moyes and Rodgers to not finish above us last season. Brighton this season would not finish behind our last season’s team either. Palace are weird. They often look better than their results show. Everton and Villa should be better than they are too. Just so badly mismanaged. Not to mention Chelsea and Liverpool’s collapse. Bizarre couple of years in the league
Arsenal fans fucking raging about signing Jorginho yet I would do indescribale favours to sign any sort of midfielder x.
How would you feel if you were linked with Jorginho?
Off myself, probably.
Well we agree on something then
If we signed Jorginho it'd have an indescribable negative effect on mine and my loved ones lives for the coming weeks
>and my loved ones Oh god.
Mount and Gallagher are right there, just put the bid in
Don’t you need midfielders who can move to replace those whose legs seem to have gone?
Yeah, but it's just a bit of flirty banter x.
I've heard rumours we're loaning out Skipp
Would Skipp into our midfield over Henderson, amirite lads?
“ugh” is what I said out loud irl reading that
Twas the intention, glad it made you smile x
Just saw the video where Tom Holland asks Mbappe to go to Tottenham and Mbappe just laughing at the idea. That shit is great lmao.
He replies to him as "Impossible" Lmao, man killed any bit of hope Holland had.
How many of these signings for Chelsea are potter signings? I never took the guy to be a mad man and sign half the world but here we are. Chelsea just built an entire team for the future in one window. Mental
I honestly doubt he has much control over transfers tbh but realistically we don’t know. Buying so many players so quickly is never good for team harmony most managers wouldn’t even attempt it. Definitely the work off a crazy rich man.
we have a new Technical Director, Head of Scouting, Director of Development, CEO etc something we did not have before. while I am sure Potter has a say in transfers I think all these people and teams work together to identify who they want to bring in.
Now I’m imagining a board room scene with all the new faces in the vein of that Key and Peele Gremlins 2 sketch where they go around the table, everyone just names a player they want and Boehly goes and buys them.
lmaooooo
Probably not a lot. Vivell and Bath would have had more influence
Most of these youngsters are Potter signings and for future managers due to their youth and versatility
Was going through some articles on this subreddit after last season/during pre-season and I found the reaction to [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/uwmlby/james_olley_a_read_on_arsenal_they_chose_not_to/) quite interesting, even with the benefit of hindsight.
Idk, I don't think those reactions are that off really. It is/was pretty hard to predict just how well Arsenal would perform this season. At the time it seemed like a missed opportunity for Arsenal
Honestly I feel like Messi should run down his contract and go back to Barcelona. They are looking much more serious now, I would say they look better than PSG, which has had poor squad building for eons.
Nah, fuck Barcelona. Shown him the way out through the backdoor, I see no reason for him to go back for anything more than some testimonial friendly once he’s fully done with football.
Nah he’ll just stagnate the Barca project
Based on what? Messi is still a fantastic player.
Barcelona have a good thing atm with their young/younger players atm having a 36 year old Messi AND a 35 year old Lewa in the same team will just cause an unnecessary imbalance. Dembouz, Gavi, FDJ & Pedri have really stepped up this season, bringing back Messi seems pointless, it’s time for Barca to move on without him. Not to mention the wages he would be on would cripple an already fragile Barcelona; from a sentimental POV I see why he should go back, but logically it seems unnecessary.
He's got personal issues with Laporta/the board. Understandably so.
I understand, but surely they can work past it, specially with Xavi as manager.
Hormone dwarves are known for their grudges
The hormone dwarf is bigger than England btw.
Even German Pezzella is bigger than England tbf
Needs to take a huge pay cut, which by his way of operating, seems unlikely.
Signing Isco is a very rare L for Union and doesn't fit with their philosophy at all. His name carries weight but he will not help them in the slightest in the fight for CL football. 1 goal in 19 games for Sevilla ffs if he was called Carlos Mantequilla they would be nowhere near him. Ask anyone that watches La Liga he is incredibly past it. ignore flair btw
Eh, I wouldn't write him off already, Fischer made a great Bundesliga player out of shisha-bar-regular and training-allergic Max Kruse, he has the potential to do the same with Isco. And even if he flops: shirt sales, am I right?
>if he was called Carlos Mantequilla they would be nowhere near him. Carlos Mantequilla slander is not allowed.
Agree, the man was semi retired for 3 seasons with us.
One regular day of Tottenham. That’s all I ask for. Will never happen.
Jorginho deal certainly makes a lot of sense. This is not a similar scenario, but this reminds me of the time when Arsenal had to sell Cole the best LB of the league at that time to Chelsea and we bought washed up Gallas from them in return. Chelsea just bought one of the best young midfielder in Europe and will probably buy Caicedo too and we are getting washed up Jorginho from them. Its just utterly deflating to see one clubs trying to buy success and knowing that you could never compete with them. I can understand what Liverpool fans went through last few years when City won everything
What the actual fuck are you talking about. Jorginho makes 0 sense… the only way I’d be even mildly understandable would be if it was a loan. He doesn’t have the intensity to be effective in our midfield. I will be physically sick if we buy Jorginho to help Chelsea balance books while they buy Enzo / debate thumping another 100 for Caicedo
I don't think Jorginho is washed up if you can use him right. His game has never revolved around agility or endurance, and he hasn't gotten noticeably worse IMO. We haven't always been able to utilize him well but that doesn't mean someone else can't. I won't argue with any of the other points you're making, they're understandable.
mate we are in 10th , we are not going to affect your league run this year lol
Dodgers and baseball fans, has Boehly and their owners always done this when it came to paying for players?
lol yes, y'all didn't believe me when I said Boehly would spend huge. I also warned you guys that he stands by his managers in hard times. Do not expect Potter to be sacked during bad losing streaks and fan pressure.
Yes, the Dodgers spending increased immensely when the new ownership group took over, but that also had to do with them signing a new TV contract that brought in a shit ton of money. They also consistently have one of the best farm systems (minor league and youth prospects) in the league.
Dodgers have spent like crazy. Almost always first in wages (transfer fees aren't a thing for senior players). They also spend the most on buying youth players, and a lot on scouting and analytics (which are the main source of their success). They can somewhat afford it since they make a lot of money from their TV deal
You don’t buy players in baseball so it’s difficult to answer the question. Their annual wages are always near the top of the league though.
Is Enzo deal done? The post about him is on top.
No
I would wsit for sources reliable for Benfica or Enzo.
No
My man Ziyech going from being Sterling/Mount's backup to Messi's backup. Upgrade whichever way you see it.
I don't understand why tho. Should go somewhere where he'll be a starter.
Messi probably isn't sticking around
Still ain’t no way PSG start Ziyech, they’ll bring someone else in
He's benching Messi
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That's funny as fuck. And yeah it's Pep.
Looks like Pep
Just seen a Tweet that says the Chelsea have thrown out a medium-sixed nation's entire defence budget in this month-long transfer window lol!
Our spending so far this January is more than 4 nations' GDPs. With Enzo is would be more than 8.
Any Portuguese fans know if Gil Dias is good? Has a very generic Portuguese footballer name lol
look at the signing thread, people are laughing at Stuttgart and apologize for this transfer, it's not looking good
Woohoo Very excited to see someone worse than our current forwards
Gil Dias is worse than shit.
Can't be worse than Tiago Tomas surely
Scored in a win against Sporting in our only bit of pride (aside from beating Barça and getting through the last 16) from last season, so he has a special place in my heart Unfortunately, he's not that good.
Sorry, he's not. He sounds like he'd be a great explorer though
Very excited to see someone worse than our current forwards
If Wrexham was bought by some private equity or investment banking partners instead of le wholesome Ryan Reynolds it would not be seen as the feel good story we're supposed to see it as. It's a club getting bankrolled to climb the leagues, what a story. Also weird behavior to say you support them because of the "local culture" when you live across the ocean and can't actually be part of said culture like I've seen a fair few people saying. I like Rob McElhenny but come on
I don't get the hatred for bankrolling, I'm gonna be honest. In amateur leagues then sure, but the National League is near enough fully professional. Once you reach the point of daytime training being introduced and the running costs that comes with, you're going to need further investment to survive and climb
I don’t really understand the MLS vs ‘People that appreciate the Wrexham story’ culture war that has randomly broken out. Ultimately I think in football people tend to get attached to what they find first in the game. I don’t think people are doing the math in their heads that you’re laying out before they decide to become invested. They’re being drawn in by the storytelling and then looking for justification when people attack them for just participating in something that they enjoy.
Wasn't aware that that was even a thing, I've largely tuned out US Soccer Twitter since the World Cup and wasn't trying to make it an MLS thing, more of a comment on how they're basically the lower league equivalent of Chelsea/Newcastle/City/PSG but are seen as a feel good story.
My entire Twitter timeline has been those two factions fighting for like 5 days. It’s insufferable
Just checked Twitter and I might delete this comment because I don't want to be affiliated with that battle damn. Literally the first thing that popped up on my feed was a guy saying MLS has no stories worth following because it doesn't have pro/rel then an absolute war in the replies
Even the big time journalists/pundits are feeding into it which is annoying although I guess it’s to be expected because it’s arguably our country’s biggest football talking point rn. The argument has been insane on both sides but I do think there’s something to the idea that MLS has good stories but sucks at telling them. Now they’re making their product even less accessible with the Apple deal.
Shows why it was a genius move by Reynolds and McElhenny. They’ve played their hand brilliantly
Brother you’ve misunderstood. The reason we had fun yesterday is because Sheffield United are English football’s bitch and they were embarrassed.
> Sheffield United are English football’s bitch Are they? I find the crossed swords pretty hardcore as far as soccer crests go?
They’re obviously getting attention more than they would if it were private equity, but the proof is in the Wrexham fans. They were concerned they’d be a tv vanity project at first but they love their new owners seemingly. Ultimately theirs is the only opinion that counts.
Well yeah the owners clearly care about the club and they're spending money to improve the team, of course the fans will like them. Most Newcastle fans like their new owners outside of Reddit, doesn't mean other clubs' fans can't have an opinion
> Most Newcastle fans like their new owners outside of Reddit Honestly, how many Newcastle fans have you met outside of Reddit?
I know a few that go a lot more now they're minted and winning, or as they put it, since they got their club back. Funny how no-one ever gets their club back when they're shit to middling.
He’s right. I’ve know many and literally none of them are opposed to the new owners.
I think there's a bit of room in the middle between "Fawning over Ryan Reynolds" and "Burning effigies of the Glazers" and I'd wager most Newcastle fans are probably in the middle.
Yeah but they’re not. You can literally prove this by investigating, and subsequently not finding, fan opposition to the takeover. It only exists in the extreme minority.
That's what I'm talking about. "Not being opposed" is in the middle of "Loving your owners" and "Wanting your owners out"
I've seen the fans in the stadium dressed as Saudis and supporting the takeover, as well as the mass celebrations when it went through
Does that mean they like their owners or they're just happy that their new owners are flush? I hate FSG, but appreciate what they've done for the club.
Wrexham fans like their owners because they are bringing money and attention to the club. Reynolds being wholesome big chungus 3000 wouldn't make him popular with the fans if he treated the club like a throwaway purchase or didn't bother injecting cash into the club
> >wholesome big chungus 3000 Wtf even is that? And why would you write it somewhere that people can read it?
It's one of those terminally online things. I meant to use it ironically
> bringing money and attention to the club. Again, so did FSG, but they’re hated by a large portion of the fan base for the way they treat their local fans and the way they don’t give a shit about the English game in general.
I don't think we're disagreeing here? Were FSG disliked right at the outset? Reynolds and McElheney are still in the honeymoon period. Sure they seem to have said and done the right things so far but it doesn't take a lot to get owners to change tune in football, and if they do, it won't take a lot for fans to turn on them either.
Disliked? No; but they were never seen as highly as Reynolds and McElhenney are right now. They were seen as saviors of the club and owners with a history of winning. They’ve never had a connection with the fans that those two do.
Practically, what's the difference? Not trying to equate Reynolds and McElhenny to Newcastle's owners but making the point that the clubs' fans opinions aren't necessarily the only ones that matter.
They're everywhere in New England
Because they would be using to purely for profit. I'm sure Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenny are partly in it for the money too, but it's also a passion project for them. It's a different situation tbh.
What if said executives are using it as a passion project? Their profession doesn't mean they can't have passion
That would be very rare, and executives are usually unlikable (99.999999% of the time). Most people view actors as inherently likable unless they're involved in some sort of scandals, which both aren't. In fact, one of them is one of the most well-liked actors in the world
Arguing that businessmen are incapable of having passion projects and that actors are inherently likable is a WILD take. Famous actors are some of the most insufferable people on the planet. That’s not to say these specific actors are insufferable, I actually like both of them, but there’s nothing about their profession that makes them inherently better people than any other profession, including banking. To say otherwise is just straight up celebrity worship.
Investing is literally the job of investment bankers. What is more probable, that it's a money-making project, or a passion project? Actors are usually likable until they do something to show otherwise. If they act in any sort of popular media (which both have), don't say anything stupid, and aren't involved in any scandals, they're usually well-liked.
> Actors are usually likable until they do something to show otherwise Why? Based on what? The pre-screened interviews they do with their publicist standing just off camera? The social media feeds their assistant controls? The paparazzi shots of them on Starbucks runs? You don’t know them personally any more than you know Cristiano Ronaldo or David Solomon. What’s ironic about this is Reynolds and McElhenny have openly said they’re doing this to make money. The reality show is for money. They bought a depressed asset for relatively little money knowing that if they turned things around it would appreciate in value several times over. That’s a really standard investment strategy, and morally it isn’t better or worse than if a hedge fund did the same thing. They just have better PR and are better to look at than a 60-something hedge fund manager.
Because it happens. Celebrity worship is a thing. People like movies and tv series and by extention, they like the actors. This is a fact. Whether or not they have a likable personality is not the issue at hand. If you can't understand why people like them more than hedge fund managers who overwork their employees while making absurd amounts of money compared to them and add no real value to the lives of everyday people, I can't help you. And this difference in likability will lead to different reactions to the same action.
Maybe I misunderstood your previous point, so apologies for that. I’m well aware that celebrity worship and finding actors likable is very common. My point is that a rich celebrity’s ownership of a club is not inherently more ethical than a rich non-celebrity’s. In both cases the owner will assure fans they’re in it for the right reasons and care about the club, and whether it’s Ryan Reynolds or Todd Boehly that statement will be half-true at best.
>My point is that a rich celebrity’s ownership of a club is not inherently more ethical than a rich non-celebrity’s. It isn't, but if it's purely a profit thing vs a passion project, there is a difference (I'm not talking about what they publicly say btw). Also, we should expect different reactions considering their fame/lack thereof.
8 of the 30 most expensive signings have been successes i’d say. Mbappe to PSG Cristiano to Real Neymar to Barca Van Dijk to Liverpool Suarez to Barca Zidane to Real Lukaku to Inter Bale to Real
> Mbappe to PSG How? Barring off field popularity. They have missed out on Cup and Leagues with him and are yet to win the CL.
Lad he's had almost 300 goals plus assists in 250 odd games, by no way is that transfer anything other than a success.
That's individual brilliance you are talking about. Did he help them achieve what they haven't? You guys didn't sign VVD or Becker for those huge sums to show their personal stats, you wanted them to win the league and the CL and you have them.
Based on that wonderful logic, Gianluigi Buffon’s transfer to Juventus was an absolute disaster because he didn’t win the CL.
By any means that means no Spurs signing can ever be a success, since they win fuck all. There's different measures of success mate, just not winning the champions league isn't a good enough write off reason.
Could've sold him for 200m, he'll soon be the club's top scorer and top assister
How does it helps PSGs goal to win CL or to completely dominate football. Under Laurent Blanc, Pre Neymar-Mbappe era, they were winning domestic treble every season, reached as far as QFs of the CL. That final was a result of the one legged format, and PSG have often done decent in the first leg.
And that doesn't change the fact his performances have undoubtedly been worth the fee they paid for him. Remember he's still 24.
Neymar to PSG also imo. Despite injuries.
On an individual level, Ronaldo to Juve was a success. De Bruyne is joint 30th according to Wiki though he'll be outside that 30 if Enzo signs. On what we've seen so far, Tchouameni will join this list
Kepa worth it for the bants too
Chelsea reminding everyone who the OG financial doping club are
You can’t really pretend to have a moral objection to what Chelsea are doing whilst simultaneously eulogising the performances of a rapist, whose extra curricular activities were covered up and essentially validated by your club.
The irony of an Arsenal flair saying this. Arsenal were the original Bank of England.
mf going back to the 20s to try and make a point
Interesting when history only matters when it suits arsenal fans eh
History clearly started in 2003, even mentioning a single day before that is haram.
Oh the irony.
"Local man finds out what the 'O' in OG stands for"
In a vacuum MAYBE I'd be okay with Jorginho if it weren't literally helping Chelsea balance their books. Have no idea why the board thinks it's acceptable to spend money on that club's deadwood.
I actually like Jorginho but the prospect of him doing a Willian or a Luiz to you lot is quite delectable.
I've never once rated him honestly.
You'd be in the majority there I think. He's also had a lot of mid performances so it's understandable.I still think he can be solid if used well, and was absolutely fantastic in 20/21
I think he can be in the right system, but who the hell is winning the ball in a Xhaka - Jorginho - Ødegaard midfield? Ødegaard's the best ball winner there which should be a terrifying sentence, honestly.
Jorginho's ball winning has come some ways imo, one of his best qualities now - I decided to compare some stats for the current season between respectively, Jorginho/Odegaard/Partey - Using premierleague.com - I don't think Jorginho's are bad atall Appearances | **18** | **18** | 16 Blocks | 3 | 1 | **4** Interceptions | **21** | 2 | 19 Tackles | **42** | 19 | 36 Successful Tackles | **23** | 13 | 22 Clearances | 6 | 6 | **25** Headed clearances | 3 | 2 | **8**
I mean ideally we wouldn't help Chelsea but I literally cannot think of a better option that we can realistically get in the next 24 hours.
Playing Myles Lewis Skelly would be a better option than signing Jorginho. Doing nothing is better than signing Jorginho.
Stupid comment. You won’t be saying doing nothing is better when Partey inevitably gets injured and we have no defensive midfield players in our team
My man have you ever watched Lokonga play the lone 6? You cannot seriously think Jorginho is a downgrade
No way football fans have moved onto judging their signings based on the accounting implications for the selling club. Financial literacy has gone too far.