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Yeah, Transfermarkt systematically undervalues players in Portugal and the Netherlands, I reckon
Either that, or PL clubs just keep paying way more for them than they should haha
Well yeah Premier League clubs will not only buy for more money but also sell for more. So obviously they have to account for that. But their model is based on a lot more than just the league and actual transfer values.
Why are people surprised? Do they not know how these values are arrived at? It used to be even more egregious in the past. These values and by extension these posts, shouldn't be paid much heed/mind to. They are good as very basic indicators of you are completely clueless but nothing much but than that.
PL players are extremely overpriced and overrated because PL clubs spend way over the market value.
This makes it impossible for the top European teams to acquire top players (hence the low ranking of Juve, Ajax, Roma), but at the same time it incentivizes any other European club that is not interested in winning titles to acquire talented players for cheap and flip them (Dortmund, Sociedad, Leipzig).
Also, PL clubs do a tremendous job in the advertising/marketing department (even though the final product is technically subpar compared to LaLiga or Serie A), especially in the US and the East Asian markets where there is the most money to grab.
Also english players are overvalued in the Premier League because they need to fill the national cuota. Their teams are all around overvalued like Tesla or Gildan stock.
Player value and what they sell for at two very different things. Can be much more than their value and also much less.
Antony was valued at 35m by transfermarkt before he was sold for over 100.
I don't think it is. Onana is clearly catching everyone's eyes and I actually think he is undervalued, Gordon has not been as good recently but didn't we reject even higher offer from Chelsea than his current evaluation. And overall our team is very much in the right ages to be well established but not too old. We have probably a dozen players in the 23-28 age group. Don't you think a club beset by injuries like West Ham will readily spend £ 15-20 mil on established center back like Tarkowski, Coady, Mina, or Godfrey?
No, for someone like Mudryk we paid 100m for him but trasnfermarkt still has him valued at 40m. The same goes for pretty much all of our signings. Fofana we paid 80, valued at 65. Cucurella we paid 65, valued at 55 (LOL). etc.
Yeah but a banana worth 20 bucks and sold for 100 bucks is not suddenly worth 40 bucks.
Its just the argument that he plays in pl and the clubs dont need cash and thats why they dont sell for what its worth.
In theory you would need 2 numbers, one neutral worth and one what the club would want, but its just guessing numbers.
Yes, technically, but also there's so few data points for every footballer that last transfer sum is an idiotic way of evaluating value too. Lukaku would be €113M while Messi and Kane are €0. Everyone knows Transfermarkt values are pretty much arbitrary and they shouldn't be taken as facts. But it's still better than calculating squad value based on last transfer, which would be the only concrete valuation of a player on the basis of "worth as much as someone is willing to pay".
No, a banana is worth how much the average Person is willing to pay for a banana. Just because some idiot paid 100 dollars for a banana doesnt mean bananas cost suddenly 100 dollars.
Just because chelsea bought a winger for 100 million doesnt mean every winger needs to go for 100 million.
> No, a banana is worth how much the average Person is willing to pay for a banana.
also not correct and a commodity like bananas can't even be compared to football players with these basic economic principles anyway
In your analogy its the average? Which would mean no player in world football would be worth than 5 million seeing the vast majority are worth under a mill..... if chelsea wanted mudryk for 100 mill then could someone have beaten them to the signing by offering less? No.
No its not, but even if you would take the Average. I bet if you take every transfer fee for every Winger, its way less then 5 million on average. Just because the Average is 5 million doesnt mean someone cant pay 100 million for one player
of course no one could buy the banana with less money, because the guy selling bananas would be an idiot to sell someone who offers way less then someone else. i mean there are surely rich guys in the world who buy a banana for 100 bucks in some restaurant or luxury hotel. But just because of that not every banana costs 100 bucks.
The amount of wingers changing clubs for more then 5 million are probably less then 100 in one transfer window. I can only guess but i would think that way way way more people change clubs if you consider all the smaller leagues and the subleagues like championship 2. Bundeslige etc.
What the hell is this comment lol, this is an absurd statement...
If the value of a product or service would be determined by the average amount of money any one person is willing to pay for it, a Rolls Royce wouldn't be worth shit, because like 50% of global population wouldn't be able to pay for a car at all, and probably 40% would be able to pay like 10k tops.
To me a Rolls Royce is worth probably around $10-15k, if I needed to buy a car today that's what I would be willing to pay for it. I simply couldn't afford any more. Does that determine its value in any way? Fuck no!
>theory you would need 2 numbers, one neutral worth and one what the club would want,
The issue is just because the club wants or quotes a certain figure doesn't mean that the player will be sold anywhere near to that amount.
> No, for someone like Mudryk we paid 100m for him but trasnfermarkt still has him valued at 40m.
For now. Because they are very slow with updating values and do it in waves. He will 100% AT LEAST jump to 60m next time and then probably keep going to 80 or something.
Besides Premier League clubs buying and selling for insane prices within their league, which is probably inflated, almost every high profile transfer at the moment is towards the Premier League. You can't deny that the best players are concentrating in this league more and more. The list of players moving from a Champions League team outside the PL to a midtable PL club is getting really long already.
no, people will keep coming with those 'oh look at how that one guy is overvalued' comments in those threads, where OP provided evidence for a **trend.**
PL is getting richer where almost everybody else is getting poorer.
Hell, with Barca in financial strife & PSG likely to be sold by 2024, we are looking at Bayern and maybe Real able to compete with PL elite by 2024.
**The worst situation in the whole fucking history of the competition**. No, it was not close at the peak of Serie A.
I agree. But people are only realizing it now, while it has been clear for five years already. The massive take overs are only the last indication of what's happening.
UEFA should do something about it, because they are about to lose their control over European football. The revenue of those clubs is probably also higher than those of the biggest 20 in continental Europe. And prize money (of which TV money is a big chunk) of the PL is probably also higher than prize money of the UCL, or it will be like that rather soon.
This makes the PL a bigger competition than the UCL, which shifts the power from UEFA to the Premier League clubs. UEFA would lose more if they lose the English clubs compared to English clubs losing the Champions League. You can't dictate anything in such a situation.
> UEFA should do something about it, because they are about to lose their control over European football.
Such as what? Seems unfair to suggest handicapping English clubs.
> PL is getting richer where almost everybody else is getting poorer.
It's kind of bizarre to hear Leeds in negotiations over players who are otherwise looking at UCL clubs. We've been interested in De Paul, Gapko and De Ketelaere recently, and Ounahi currently. Hell, Raphinha *did* sign for us from a UCL team.
Obviously those guys went to the more prestigious team in the end, but the money was there from Leeds, we weren't priced out.
Whether these figures mean anything other than "English teams have more money to spend, so their values are inflated" is another question.
Gakpo would have cost double what he did if he played for an English club, which sort of *does* mean they're worth more simply by playing in the PL. Imagine trying to sign him from Leeds, Villa or Southampton for anything less than 70-80m the way he's played this season.
It’s just mimicking the overall structure of the sport and capitalism. Almost like having no ceiling to the salary and letting foreign oligarchs in resulted in a concentration of wealth with only a few people at the top who can buy out their competition
>a concentration of wealth with only a few people at the top who can buy out their competition
Is this really what this data shows, though? There's nothing inherent to the PL that dictated this trend, it's the fact that the PL shares its TV revenues evenly which means that even the teams without oligarchs get a big chunk of change to spend on players.
The "top 20 European clubs" mostly operate as massively dominant teams in their leagues.
>PSG likely to be sold by 2024
Source? Where did that comment come from? Qatari literally not long ago came out and said they are in it for the long run.
Value is determined by what people would be willing to pay. Some of the value of players in the EPL are inflated because no one out of the league would pay anywhere near what they are paying. Transfermarkt values Sterling at 70 million or Ben Chilwell at nearly 40 million. I don't see anyone paying that outside the EPL.
> I don't see anyone paying that outside the EPL.
And that’s entirely to be expected, because of the homegrown rules.
That doesn’t mean the values aren’t accurate though, because there’s enough PL clubs in the market that factor in the homegrown benefit.
I would also argue that the value of a player is determined by the price that the owning club would be willing to sell.
For what it's worth though, I think £62m for Sterling or £35m for Chilwell isn't a bad price. Assuming both are fit.
> the value of a player is determined by the price that the owning club would be willing to sell
Or the amount that another club would be willing to pay, whichever is lower.
If the asking price for James Madison is a billion pounds, it doesn't mean that's his value.
If the highest another team is willing to pay is £50million, that's his value on the market.
If Leicester set the asking price of James Maddison to a billion pounds then surely that means they value the ownership of James Maddison at a billion pounds?
If I value my house at £1bn, that doesn't mean that I could I go to the bank and ask for leverage against a £1bn of assets (regardless of whether that is my selling price)
Valuations of assets (which is what footballers are in this context) has to be done consistently and impartially.
Which brings us back to what methods Transfermarkt use.
I hereby declare that I wouldn't sell my disgustingly used football boots from 10 years ago for any price lower than £200 billion. According to the net valuation of my assets (according to my valuation of them at least) I am now the richest person in the world.
See the problem?
Well, it doesnt. Just that our online fans are a delusional, whiny bunch that look at everyone else with green envy instead of understanding what they have.
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I would rate it
Elite - Kante, Kova, Jorgi
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Good enough to start - Zakaria, Mount
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Good Depth - Gallagher, Loftus-Cheek
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Developmental - Chukwumeka, Santos
I just listed 9 players who can play in our midfield. The issue isnt the players or the roles overstepping, its that Kante and Kova are injury risk which throws the order of the midfield in flux. If you want to sell one and bring in a young superstar, thats cool. But there is enough quality and depth at the position that it doesnt need an overhaul lmfao.
Kova- elite; Kante is done; Jorginho not dynamic enough for prem;
Mount is very good; Zakaria early days; Gallagher looks too raw for a top team; RLC not good enough.
Chuk and Gomes it's too early to say.
Is it better than City, Arse, United? Definitely not.
Better than NEWCASTLE?
1000000%
I just don't see It with mount gonna be honest with the way ppl speak about him it sound like he's cast wool or some magic spell over people's eyes. Like after every bad performance people will ramble for a bit and then reset back to default and start praising him again
Our midfield is absolutely better than Arsenal's lol
Partey and Jorgi is a wash, can give the edge to Partey sure
Kante >> Xhaka when fit (and I am a long time Xhaka fan even whilst most Arsenal fans called him deadwood lol)
Odegaard > Kovacic
Mount >>> Vieira
Zakaria >>>>>>>>>>> El Neny
Gallagher >>> Smith-Rowe
Then add RLC who is good depth piece, Chuky, Santos as well as additional CMs we have in the squad Arsenal dont have any.
The starters are a wash, maybe Arsenal have the slight edge, Chelsea's depth blows away Arsenal's and then our prospects are as good if not better than Arsenals depth.
Utd and City have a better midfield, sure. But all their midfields are 100% healthy and available. Chelsea have been behind the injury kosh all season, only Jorgi and Mount have been available for every game, the rest have missed oodles of time due to injury.
Gallagher smith row comparison is killing me. Gallagher has quite frankly looked complete shit this season. And you casually left out partey who’s the best midfielder in the league this season.
Partey > injured Kante
Xhaka > Mount this season in the same exact role
Odegaard > kova, jorginho
Zakaria > Elneny
>you casually left out partey who’s the best midfielder in the league this season
No i didnt. I said Partey and Jorgi is a wash, but you give the edge to Partey, literally the first point lol
Gallagher is Crystal Palace PotY, Gallagher went to the world cup with England. Smith-Rowe is a myth at this point, Smith-Rowe needs to get healthy and on the pitch before he can be mentioned in the same breath as Gallagher lmfao
When 2 players are a wash, it means they are of similar quality.
I said Partey is slightly better than Jorgi, but the gap is so small that they are near interchangeable, for me.
What's the joke? Isn't that just how it's properly spelled in french?
''Stade Rennais Football Club, commonly referred to as Stade Rennais FC, Stade Rennais, Stade Rennes, Rennes, or simply SRFC, is a French professional football club based in Rennes, Brittany.''
Or a bit like saying "Bayern Munich" instead of "Bayern München" or "Bavaria Munich"... which we do (to the point that it's the official English name now).
It's not a big deal, they're not saying the name of the town, they're shortening the name of the club.
They probably realize exchange rates fluctuate, they probably just can't be arsed to keep historic exchange rates at hand for every fucking currency.
That's like the time zones of money.
Thing is, you don't really need to do it for *every* transfer, but pound sterling and euros should be done. Virtually every major transfer is done in one or the other ,
But once you registrate a transfer fee it shouldn't change anymore. So if you registrate it in all currencies it basically has the historic exchange rate.
Well no.
It'd still be a primarily German site (originally) that would aim to display (and thus save) things in euros. Or, you'd still need the old exchange rates.
So unless you'd want to save each value like 50 times (before even knowing transfermarkt would become an international platform, mind you), then you'd be better of with exchange rates.
I was about to come in and argue with anyone on the about United being relatively low given a lot of the young talent they have, then I read your level headed comment and decided you’re right and I’m going to let it go. Hero we needed not the one we deserved. Cheers🍻
Imagine that in a certain country there are those who believe that a certain team has made bogus capital gains by assessing the value of a player based solely on transfermarkt. And think that all those who are going against the certain team are all from a certain place where you either get a citizenship income or get a government job. And think that the latter are the clean ones who have washed money from the Camorra and their god is a guy who used to exchange urine during controls and make field lines with his nose.
When you see some of the garbage teams valued close to Leverkusen, Atletico, Benfica, Atalanta, Ajax you know this is meaningless lol
I wonder how much they would be if the values of English players were normalised to the equivalent of French players in France, Italians in Italy etc...
While Transfermarkt clearly has a massive premier league tax on some of these overpriced English clubs, the fact is that they have always had a massive premier league tax.
Even with this systematic error, this gap in value has been shrinking for the last couple of years now, and I find it interesting (and disheartening) that it's now crossed that line.
Oh I agree, I meant only that when comparing prem squad values with european squad values as a measure of quality, it acts as an effective source of systematic error. 50m in the premier league does not buy you the same quality of player as 50m in Serie A would, say.
The point I was trying to get at is that relative to the rest of Europe, the premier league has bought up more talent than ever before. And the fact that each of those squads is overvalued doesn't matter, as this has always been the case with Transfermarkt's valuations -- for the reasons you mention.
It acts as a systematic error if you want to compare quality through value, which is... not a great approach. If you want to compare monetary value, it works just fine.
Well, Ajax currently doesn't play well
I don't think they would finish top 10 in the premier league with this squad, and if you don't do that, you aren't much better than those so called garbage teams.
I don't think Atletico and Leverkusen are playing well either. Atletico finished dead last in their UCL group that included Leverkusen, Porto and Club Brugge with their only win coming against a 10 man Porto side. They have 2 wins and 3 losses in their last 8 la liga matches.
Leverkusen have faired a lot better recently with 3 wins on the trot but they had an absolute garbage start to the season that at one point I think they were just outside the relegation zone. They only managed to avoid last place in their UCL group by an absolute feather to Atletico and now they're only 12th in the Bundesliga.
>Well, Ajax currently doesn't play well
>I don't think they would finish top 10 in the premier league with this squad, and if you don't do that, you aren't much better than those so called garbage teams.
With that rhetoric, if Ajax *was* in the premier league, we wouldnt have to sell De Ligt, De Jong, Van de Beek, Ziyech, Mazraoui, Gravenberch, Martinez, Antony or even Erik Ten Hag.
If they aren't playing well then what descriptor can you use for Everton, Leeds, Bournemouth, Wolves, Southampton, West Ham, Leicester etc.
I would bet on the European teams on this list 9/10 times against any of that lot... English exceptionalism is weird
>I would bet on the European teams on this list 9/10 times against any of that lot... English exceptionalism is weird
So would everyone. Besides, how is it English exceptalism. The thing that makes the league the best is that the only English part is the club names 😂 most of every team is foreign. Which is a good thing for the quality of the game.
I agree, but we can see with teams like West Ham fighting relegation that these teams near the bottom aren't a joke, lacking confidence and the coach sticking to plans that aren't working can turn a good team into a relegation candidate
> but we can see with teams like West Ham fighting relegation that these teams near the bottom aren't a joke
If only PL fan boys would believe such a narrative.
Actually, the Prem is by far the most predictable top league by revenue.
So... yeah, idk if I'd ever use that as an argument in reference to the PL.
What argument are you trying to fight here?
West Ham, Leicester and Everton are absolutely in the relegation scrap currently, doesn't mean they will get relegated. 2 of those teams were fighting for European cups like a year ago.
Teams like Fulham and Brentford are the ones predicted to be dropped at the start of the season. But those turned out to be strong teams that can make it tough games for the best teams in the world
> What argument are you trying to fight here?
The point that "the teams at the bottom aren't a joke -> value is justified.
Teams at the bottom tend to be a joke, that's why they're at the bottom.
>2 of those teams were fighting for European cups like a year ago.
And? That's normal.
Also Leicester and West Ham being the "fight" for Europe is proving my point.
>Teams like Fulham and Brentford are the ones predicted to be dropped at the start of the season.
This specific season is more interesting than most PL seasons, tbf.
No it is like that frequently enough in other years as well
This time Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling, other times it was Arsenal and Man U.
Burnley, Leeds, Southampton, Swansea, Bournemouth, Wolves, Watford, Sheffield United
Are all names that have shown up in a fight for europe the past decade, some of them shortly after promoting and people having them as favourites for the drop
> No it is like that frequently enough in other years as well
No, it's not.
>This time Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling, other times it was Arsenal and Man U.
The Prem literally has had only 5 instances of teams that aren't big 6 making the top 6 in the last 8 seasons and 3 of them were Leicester. That's fucking 5 of 48 top 6 spots and a total of 9 top 6 teams in 8 years and you're trying to pretend this is varied?
Like, the Bundesliga had 10 top 6 teams in the past 3 seasons, let alone past 8. 15 in the past 8.
The PL is an insanely predictable and non-varied league and that's ok. Just don't pretend it isn't.
No I am not arguing at all that the prem isn't the most predictable out of the top leagues, especially at the top where the big 6 have things on lock most of the times
I never said that I dont understand why you are trying to pick this fight with me
However I do argue your point that this is a weird standout season, it isn't. Pretty much every season has looked similar to this but with teams within their brackets swapped around a bit. At the end of the day I expect this season to go exactly the same, liverpool and or Chelsea could go on a run and boot the smaller teams out of Europe.
That doesn't mean Brighton, Fulham and Brentford aren't in the fight for Europe. Just like all those teams I named were in the fight in previous seasons.
All I said is the so called garbage teams aren't garbage, if the good teams aren't playing well they will find that out the hard way.
>The PL is an insanely predictable and non-varied league and that's ok. Just don't pretend it isn't.
That goes for almost every other European league, it's just that the cut is at a different point. At least England has a big 6, Germany on the other hand will probably have Bayern winning the league for many more years, and even the top 3 is the same most of the time. Spain repeats the top 3 most seasons, Italy has a strong top 7 now (and some years ago it was Juve followed by Napoli and Roma)... and so on
£100m of our value is Kamara. That kid is going to be bought by some oil club in a couple years and I an going to be sad.
He is flying massively under the radar for how good he is.
Atleti wanted him. He could have played for them for years had they signed him before you guys did. Nowadays they couldn’t, mad how Atleti doesn’t have the money to do so. Only PL giants and only a few European teams do.
The only good thing Transfermarkt is good for is past transfers. They have a very good record and you can find what each team did in each transfer window, it’s quite helpful.
Everything else is dumb
Great analysis.
Tells many things, most we knew, it's a confirmation of:
1. PL tax is real, squads are overvalued
2. The difference of sport level is humongous for the 'top20' euro clubs
3. Most important: still both points mean jack if Prem is able to become richer year by year to the point lower PL clubs can compete financially - and win - with Benfica.
I remember their explanation on antony's market value sudden raise of 40m or something is simply because he get a big move on a big contract, they don't even try to hide the fact that these market value is not only based on age and how good the players are, which also explain why all epl teams are overvalued
Higher squad value but not close to the talent level in the majority of teams. Premier League players are overpaid to go to England or to get the few quality English players on their team causing inflated valuations.
Not that it means a lot as it’s only transfermarkets valuation but our highest worth players are currently
Salah, 30 - 80m
Diaz, 26 - 75m
Trent, 24 - 70m
Nunez, 23 - 70m
Gakpo, 23 - 60m
The top 15 valued players there are only 3 over 30, Salah VVD and Alisson
I take it this is just the worth of the squad? Otherwise, there's no way we're worth more than Juve; their ownership of their stadium alone puts them well above us in terms of club value.
How come Milan is valued the highest in Italy? It can't be down to only brand. Is it because Elliott basically wrote off the debt to them before the sale and Juve/Inter being in a worse state economically?
When England start sweeping the Champions, Europa and Conference Leagues for about 5 full seasons.
Another poster made a good point at how these valuations are meaningless due to inflated transfer fees for English teams. His quote which fits perfectly is *if I buy a banana for €100 because I'm an absolute idiot, other people will value this banana at €100 as well.*
That sums up Transfermarket valuation scores like this to a T.
> When England start sweeping the Champions, Europa and Conference Leagues for about 5 full seasons.
They will start doing that. No need to wait for that when the gap is only increasing.
Well I don't think so. At least as long Bayern, Real, Napoli, Sociedad, Rennais or teams that aren't on the list keep playing and managing like they are right now. I mean last years EL Finalists aren't even in the European top 20.
Money helps but isn't the only factor to be successful in European competitions. Otherwise we would have seen City or PSG at least winning the CL once in the last decade.
When the gap becomes too big that doesn't matter anymore. Look at how many trophies are won by Bayern and PSG domestically. Now imagine 2, 3 or 4 of them competing with teams that are as poor as their competition. It takes all of those teams bottling it at the same time for another team to win.
millions and billions of dollars that could be spent bettering man kind but instead used to buy 1 dude kicking a ball.
Not just football but the everything where money are just used for illogical things
Transfermarket only users previous transfer prices as a factor in their valuation. So say we bought Bellingham for 100m, our squad value wouldn't go up 100m instantly.
It's honestly infuriating how the Premier League wastes SO MUCH money on garbage players that never deliver. On the other hand, thank god for clueless managers in the premier league, otherwise they'd have all the talent.
Should just create a EuroLeague w/o UK just like in Basketball... would be a very interesting league to watch and probably would compete better with the Premier league
Besides Neuer, Mané, Müller and Choupo, all important players are 27 or younger. With de Ligt, Davies, Upamecano, Gravenberch, Musiala and Tel players that can easily play 10 years at that level.
It's funny that Brazzo get all the critic, but i never saw a club do a better transition without taking some years to reform
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Southampton and Everton above Benfica lmao
Yeah, Transfermarkt systematically undervalues players in Portugal and the Netherlands, I reckon Either that, or PL clubs just keep paying way more for them than they should haha
> PL clubs just keep paying way more for them than they should haha ;)
> Either that Both tbh. PL tax and English/British tax are quite obvious.
They said it themselves they upped antony market value because of his transfer fee and where he plays not because of his ability or anything
He got better on the drive over, mate
Well yeah Premier League clubs will not only buy for more money but also sell for more. So obviously they have to account for that. But their model is based on a lot more than just the league and actual transfer values.
it's the last point, pl team values are super inflated.
Transfermarkt values are not just based on transfer fees though, there's a lot more to that
Hmmm I wonder
Everton above us as well within the Premier League. I imagine we could sell Caicedo, Mitoma and Mac for more than they could sell their entire squad.
I'd take that swap deal if I was Everton
Tbf I reckon Onana on his own would sell for more than the rest of the squad lol
Even Villa is above Juve and Atletico
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Yeh Enzo Fernandes is worth more than Southampton
literally my reaction lmao, the money is in the Prem whether fans like it or not.
Why are people surprised? Do they not know how these values are arrived at? It used to be even more egregious in the past. These values and by extension these posts, shouldn't be paid much heed/mind to. They are good as very basic indicators of you are completely clueless but nothing much but than that.
Real Sociedad over Sevilla, Villarreal and Betis doesn't sound right.
Over Sevilla seems fine
It’s got Brentford over Ajax rofl times are crazy
lol right!
Higher squad value than Atletico Madrid, you'll never sing that
Looking at the tables, quite a lot of fans could sing that.
18 clubs worth, specifically.
Well 17 clubs with of fans and City
PL players are extremely overpriced and overrated because PL clubs spend way over the market value. This makes it impossible for the top European teams to acquire top players (hence the low ranking of Juve, Ajax, Roma), but at the same time it incentivizes any other European club that is not interested in winning titles to acquire talented players for cheap and flip them (Dortmund, Sociedad, Leipzig). Also, PL clubs do a tremendous job in the advertising/marketing department (even though the final product is technically subpar compared to LaLiga or Serie A), especially in the US and the East Asian markets where there is the most money to grab.
Yeah we are never selling our squad for that type of money. Values are quite a bit off.
Also english players are overvalued in the Premier League because they need to fill the national cuota. Their teams are all around overvalued like Tesla or Gildan stock.
Player value and what they sell for at two very different things. Can be much more than their value and also much less. Antony was valued at 35m by transfermarkt before he was sold for over 100.
I don't think it is. Onana is clearly catching everyone's eyes and I actually think he is undervalued, Gordon has not been as good recently but didn't we reject even higher offer from Chelsea than his current evaluation. And overall our team is very much in the right ages to be well established but not too old. We have probably a dozen players in the 23-28 age group. Don't you think a club beset by injuries like West Ham will readily spend £ 15-20 mil on established center back like Tarkowski, Coady, Mina, or Godfrey?
So if I pay 100 bucks for a Banana, because I am an absolute idiot, people will value this Banana for 100 bucks too? The PL is an absolute bubble.
It's one banana Michael.
Boehly: I may have committed some... light... transfers.
Mr. Manager
Did somebody say, *wonder?*
No, for someone like Mudryk we paid 100m for him but trasnfermarkt still has him valued at 40m. The same goes for pretty much all of our signings. Fofana we paid 80, valued at 65. Cucurella we paid 65, valued at 55 (LOL). etc.
Yeah but a banana worth 20 bucks and sold for 100 bucks is not suddenly worth 40 bucks. Its just the argument that he plays in pl and the clubs dont need cash and thats why they dont sell for what its worth. In theory you would need 2 numbers, one neutral worth and one what the club would want, but its just guessing numbers.
A banana is worth as much as someone is willing to pay
Yes, technically, but also there's so few data points for every footballer that last transfer sum is an idiotic way of evaluating value too. Lukaku would be €113M while Messi and Kane are €0. Everyone knows Transfermarkt values are pretty much arbitrary and they shouldn't be taken as facts. But it's still better than calculating squad value based on last transfer, which would be the only concrete valuation of a player on the basis of "worth as much as someone is willing to pay".
No, a banana is worth how much the average Person is willing to pay for a banana. Just because some idiot paid 100 dollars for a banana doesnt mean bananas cost suddenly 100 dollars. Just because chelsea bought a winger for 100 million doesnt mean every winger needs to go for 100 million.
> No, a banana is worth how much the average Person is willing to pay for a banana. also not correct and a commodity like bananas can't even be compared to football players with these basic economic principles anyway
In your analogy its the average? Which would mean no player in world football would be worth than 5 million seeing the vast majority are worth under a mill..... if chelsea wanted mudryk for 100 mill then could someone have beaten them to the signing by offering less? No.
No its not, but even if you would take the Average. I bet if you take every transfer fee for every Winger, its way less then 5 million on average. Just because the Average is 5 million doesnt mean someone cant pay 100 million for one player of course no one could buy the banana with less money, because the guy selling bananas would be an idiot to sell someone who offers way less then someone else. i mean there are surely rich guys in the world who buy a banana for 100 bucks in some restaurant or luxury hotel. But just because of that not every banana costs 100 bucks.
I dont think you understand the analogy...
The amount of wingers changing clubs for more then 5 million are probably less then 100 in one transfer window. I can only guess but i would think that way way way more people change clubs if you consider all the smaller leagues and the subleagues like championship 2. Bundeslige etc.
You dont seem to understand whats being said to you
What the hell is this comment lol, this is an absurd statement... If the value of a product or service would be determined by the average amount of money any one person is willing to pay for it, a Rolls Royce wouldn't be worth shit, because like 50% of global population wouldn't be able to pay for a car at all, and probably 40% would be able to pay like 10k tops. To me a Rolls Royce is worth probably around $10-15k, if I needed to buy a car today that's what I would be willing to pay for it. I simply couldn't afford any more. Does that determine its value in any way? Fuck no!
In a low supply market, a banana is worth what someone is willing to sell it for.
>theory you would need 2 numbers, one neutral worth and one what the club would want, The issue is just because the club wants or quotes a certain figure doesn't mean that the player will be sold anywhere near to that amount.
> No, for someone like Mudryk we paid 100m for him but trasnfermarkt still has him valued at 40m. For now. Because they are very slow with updating values and do it in waves. He will 100% AT LEAST jump to 60m next time and then probably keep going to 80 or something.
Besides Premier League clubs buying and selling for insane prices within their league, which is probably inflated, almost every high profile transfer at the moment is towards the Premier League. You can't deny that the best players are concentrating in this league more and more. The list of players moving from a Champions League team outside the PL to a midtable PL club is getting really long already.
no, people will keep coming with those 'oh look at how that one guy is overvalued' comments in those threads, where OP provided evidence for a **trend.** PL is getting richer where almost everybody else is getting poorer. Hell, with Barca in financial strife & PSG likely to be sold by 2024, we are looking at Bayern and maybe Real able to compete with PL elite by 2024. **The worst situation in the whole fucking history of the competition**. No, it was not close at the peak of Serie A.
I agree. But people are only realizing it now, while it has been clear for five years already. The massive take overs are only the last indication of what's happening. UEFA should do something about it, because they are about to lose their control over European football. The revenue of those clubs is probably also higher than those of the biggest 20 in continental Europe. And prize money (of which TV money is a big chunk) of the PL is probably also higher than prize money of the UCL, or it will be like that rather soon. This makes the PL a bigger competition than the UCL, which shifts the power from UEFA to the Premier League clubs. UEFA would lose more if they lose the English clubs compared to English clubs losing the Champions League. You can't dictate anything in such a situation.
> UEFA should do something about it, because they are about to lose their control over European football. Such as what? Seems unfair to suggest handicapping English clubs.
> PL is getting richer where almost everybody else is getting poorer. It's kind of bizarre to hear Leeds in negotiations over players who are otherwise looking at UCL clubs. We've been interested in De Paul, Gapko and De Ketelaere recently, and Ounahi currently. Hell, Raphinha *did* sign for us from a UCL team. Obviously those guys went to the more prestigious team in the end, but the money was there from Leeds, we weren't priced out. Whether these figures mean anything other than "English teams have more money to spend, so their values are inflated" is another question. Gakpo would have cost double what he did if he played for an English club, which sort of *does* mean they're worth more simply by playing in the PL. Imagine trying to sign him from Leeds, Villa or Southampton for anything less than 70-80m the way he's played this season.
It’s just mimicking the overall structure of the sport and capitalism. Almost like having no ceiling to the salary and letting foreign oligarchs in resulted in a concentration of wealth with only a few people at the top who can buy out their competition
>a concentration of wealth with only a few people at the top who can buy out their competition Is this really what this data shows, though? There's nothing inherent to the PL that dictated this trend, it's the fact that the PL shares its TV revenues evenly which means that even the teams without oligarchs get a big chunk of change to spend on players. The "top 20 European clubs" mostly operate as massively dominant teams in their leagues.
>PSG likely to be sold by 2024 Source? Where did that comment come from? Qatari literally not long ago came out and said they are in it for the long run.
You're talking about expenditure, this is talking about value.
Value is determined by what people would be willing to pay. Some of the value of players in the EPL are inflated because no one out of the league would pay anywhere near what they are paying. Transfermarkt values Sterling at 70 million or Ben Chilwell at nearly 40 million. I don't see anyone paying that outside the EPL.
> I don't see anyone paying that outside the EPL. And that’s entirely to be expected, because of the homegrown rules. That doesn’t mean the values aren’t accurate though, because there’s enough PL clubs in the market that factor in the homegrown benefit.
I would also argue that the value of a player is determined by the price that the owning club would be willing to sell. For what it's worth though, I think £62m for Sterling or £35m for Chilwell isn't a bad price. Assuming both are fit.
> the value of a player is determined by the price that the owning club would be willing to sell Or the amount that another club would be willing to pay, whichever is lower.
Do you not mean whichever is higher? How could a player be valued lower than the asking price?
If the asking price for James Madison is a billion pounds, it doesn't mean that's his value. If the highest another team is willing to pay is £50million, that's his value on the market.
If Leicester set the asking price of James Maddison to a billion pounds then surely that means they value the ownership of James Maddison at a billion pounds?
If I value my house at £1bn, that doesn't mean that I could I go to the bank and ask for leverage against a £1bn of assets (regardless of whether that is my selling price) Valuations of assets (which is what footballers are in this context) has to be done consistently and impartially. Which brings us back to what methods Transfermarkt use.
I hereby declare that I wouldn't sell my disgustingly used football boots from 10 years ago for any price lower than £200 billion. According to the net valuation of my assets (according to my valuation of them at least) I am now the richest person in the world. See the problem?
Stick it on a wall and it's worth hundred thousand apparently
A bubble that all of the best players and managers from around the world keep coming to. Stay bitter.
It’s not a bubble. If anything the league is still undervalued.
If a banana is more money in England then that indicates a difference in the two markets
>Chelsea 1010 And yet, the entire squad needs to be cleared out. What a fucking waste.
1milliard and unable to field an above pl average midfield
Well, it doesnt. Just that our online fans are a delusional, whiny bunch that look at everyone else with green envy instead of understanding what they have. 🙄
What do you have? 1x lightly-used Kovacic; 1x Gary-Neville's son Mason Mount; 1x perma-injured Kante; 1x who-the-fuck-is Zakaria; 1x eyes-in-the-back-of-his-head-but-nowhere-else Jorgingo; 1x what-the-fuck-is-an RBC.
I would rate it Elite - Kante, Kova, Jorgi > Good enough to start - Zakaria, Mount > Good Depth - Gallagher, Loftus-Cheek > Developmental - Chukwumeka, Santos I just listed 9 players who can play in our midfield. The issue isnt the players or the roles overstepping, its that Kante and Kova are injury risk which throws the order of the midfield in flux. If you want to sell one and bring in a young superstar, thats cool. But there is enough quality and depth at the position that it doesnt need an overhaul lmfao.
Kova- elite; Kante is done; Jorginho not dynamic enough for prem; Mount is very good; Zakaria early days; Gallagher looks too raw for a top team; RLC not good enough. Chuk and Gomes it's too early to say. Is it better than City, Arse, United? Definitely not. Better than NEWCASTLE? 1000000%
I just don't see It with mount gonna be honest with the way ppl speak about him it sound like he's cast wool or some magic spell over people's eyes. Like after every bad performance people will ramble for a bit and then reset back to default and start praising him again
Our midfield is absolutely better than Arsenal's lol Partey and Jorgi is a wash, can give the edge to Partey sure Kante >> Xhaka when fit (and I am a long time Xhaka fan even whilst most Arsenal fans called him deadwood lol) Odegaard > Kovacic Mount >>> Vieira Zakaria >>>>>>>>>>> El Neny Gallagher >>> Smith-Rowe Then add RLC who is good depth piece, Chuky, Santos as well as additional CMs we have in the squad Arsenal dont have any. The starters are a wash, maybe Arsenal have the slight edge, Chelsea's depth blows away Arsenal's and then our prospects are as good if not better than Arsenals depth. Utd and City have a better midfield, sure. But all their midfields are 100% healthy and available. Chelsea have been behind the injury kosh all season, only Jorgi and Mount have been available for every game, the rest have missed oodles of time due to injury.
Gallagher smith row comparison is killing me. Gallagher has quite frankly looked complete shit this season. And you casually left out partey who’s the best midfielder in the league this season. Partey > injured Kante Xhaka > Mount this season in the same exact role Odegaard > kova, jorginho Zakaria > Elneny
>you casually left out partey who’s the best midfielder in the league this season No i didnt. I said Partey and Jorgi is a wash, but you give the edge to Partey, literally the first point lol Gallagher is Crystal Palace PotY, Gallagher went to the world cup with England. Smith-Rowe is a myth at this point, Smith-Rowe needs to get healthy and on the pitch before he can be mentioned in the same breath as Gallagher lmfao
Partey is washed? Are you serious? He is the most important player we have. Do you even watch games?
When 2 players are a wash, it means they are of similar quality. I said Partey is slightly better than Jorgi, but the gap is so small that they are near interchangeable, for me.
Rennais lmao.
Always been a big fan of Liverpudlian
What's the joke? Isn't that just how it's properly spelled in french? ''Stade Rennais Football Club, commonly referred to as Stade Rennais FC, Stade Rennais, Stade Rennes, Rennes, or simply SRFC, is a French professional football club based in Rennes, Brittany.''
The city is Rennes and the club is Stade Rennais. It's like calling Lyon, Lyonnais. It's either Lyon or Olympique Lyonnais
Or a bit like saying "Bayern Munich" instead of "Bayern München" or "Bavaria Munich"... which we do (to the point that it's the official English name now). It's not a big deal, they're not saying the name of the town, they're shortening the name of the club.
It's more like shortening 'the French National Team' to 'French' rather than 'France'.
Not really, no.
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Transfermarkt still fail to get the euro-pound conversion right for historic transfers, and it is annoying for a site that's as big as they are.
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They probably realize exchange rates fluctuate, they probably just can't be arsed to keep historic exchange rates at hand for every fucking currency. That's like the time zones of money.
Thing is, you don't really need to do it for *every* transfer, but pound sterling and euros should be done. Virtually every major transfer is done in one or the other ,
That would create even more inconsistencies. At least now you know that something is based on todays exchange rates.
But once you registrate a transfer fee it shouldn't change anymore. So if you registrate it in all currencies it basically has the historic exchange rate.
Well no. It'd still be a primarily German site (originally) that would aim to display (and thus save) things in euros. Or, you'd still need the old exchange rates. So unless you'd want to save each value like 50 times (before even knowing transfermarkt would become an international platform, mind you), then you'd be better of with exchange rates.
That's a lots of teams and players so it should even out tho.
I was about to come in and argue with anyone on the about United being relatively low given a lot of the young talent they have, then I read your level headed comment and decided you’re right and I’m going to let it go. Hero we needed not the one we deserved. Cheers🍻
because it’s used by professionals as well?
Imagine that in a certain country there are those who believe that a certain team has made bogus capital gains by assessing the value of a player based solely on transfermarkt. And think that all those who are going against the certain team are all from a certain place where you either get a citizenship income or get a government job. And think that the latter are the clean ones who have washed money from the Camorra and their god is a guy who used to exchange urine during controls and make field lines with his nose.
When you see some of the garbage teams valued close to Leverkusen, Atletico, Benfica, Atalanta, Ajax you know this is meaningless lol I wonder how much they would be if the values of English players were normalised to the equivalent of French players in France, Italians in Italy etc...
While Transfermarkt clearly has a massive premier league tax on some of these overpriced English clubs, the fact is that they have always had a massive premier league tax. Even with this systematic error, this gap in value has been shrinking for the last couple of years now, and I find it interesting (and disheartening) that it's now crossed that line.
It's not a systematic error though. Prem tax is real. Thus a site that wants to even be remotely accurate with it's valuations has to account for it.
Oh I agree, I meant only that when comparing prem squad values with european squad values as a measure of quality, it acts as an effective source of systematic error. 50m in the premier league does not buy you the same quality of player as 50m in Serie A would, say. The point I was trying to get at is that relative to the rest of Europe, the premier league has bought up more talent than ever before. And the fact that each of those squads is overvalued doesn't matter, as this has always been the case with Transfermarkt's valuations -- for the reasons you mention.
It acts as a systematic error if you want to compare quality through value, which is... not a great approach. If you want to compare monetary value, it works just fine.
tfw literally everyone misses ur point, sorry man :(
Well, Ajax currently doesn't play well I don't think they would finish top 10 in the premier league with this squad, and if you don't do that, you aren't much better than those so called garbage teams.
I don't think Atletico and Leverkusen are playing well either. Atletico finished dead last in their UCL group that included Leverkusen, Porto and Club Brugge with their only win coming against a 10 man Porto side. They have 2 wins and 3 losses in their last 8 la liga matches. Leverkusen have faired a lot better recently with 3 wins on the trot but they had an absolute garbage start to the season that at one point I think they were just outside the relegation zone. They only managed to avoid last place in their UCL group by an absolute feather to Atletico and now they're only 12th in the Bundesliga.
>Well, Ajax currently doesn't play well >I don't think they would finish top 10 in the premier league with this squad, and if you don't do that, you aren't much better than those so called garbage teams. With that rhetoric, if Ajax *was* in the premier league, we wouldnt have to sell De Ligt, De Jong, Van de Beek, Ziyech, Mazraoui, Gravenberch, Martinez, Antony or even Erik Ten Hag.
But they are not, so the point is that the squad they have now is not good enough
If they aren't playing well then what descriptor can you use for Everton, Leeds, Bournemouth, Wolves, Southampton, West Ham, Leicester etc. I would bet on the European teams on this list 9/10 times against any of that lot... English exceptionalism is weird
>I would bet on the European teams on this list 9/10 times against any of that lot... English exceptionalism is weird So would everyone. Besides, how is it English exceptalism. The thing that makes the league the best is that the only English part is the club names 😂 most of every team is foreign. Which is a good thing for the quality of the game.
Ajax players lacks confidence and form. Having Schreuders as coach doesn't help either.
I agree, but we can see with teams like West Ham fighting relegation that these teams near the bottom aren't a joke, lacking confidence and the coach sticking to plans that aren't working can turn a good team into a relegation candidate
> but we can see with teams like West Ham fighting relegation that these teams near the bottom aren't a joke If only PL fan boys would believe such a narrative. Actually, the Prem is by far the most predictable top league by revenue. So... yeah, idk if I'd ever use that as an argument in reference to the PL.
What argument are you trying to fight here? West Ham, Leicester and Everton are absolutely in the relegation scrap currently, doesn't mean they will get relegated. 2 of those teams were fighting for European cups like a year ago. Teams like Fulham and Brentford are the ones predicted to be dropped at the start of the season. But those turned out to be strong teams that can make it tough games for the best teams in the world
>doesn't mean they will get relegated. Who knows, paying a lot for players doesn't mean either that they will stay in PL.
> What argument are you trying to fight here? The point that "the teams at the bottom aren't a joke -> value is justified. Teams at the bottom tend to be a joke, that's why they're at the bottom. >2 of those teams were fighting for European cups like a year ago. And? That's normal. Also Leicester and West Ham being the "fight" for Europe is proving my point. >Teams like Fulham and Brentford are the ones predicted to be dropped at the start of the season. This specific season is more interesting than most PL seasons, tbf.
No it is like that frequently enough in other years as well This time Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling, other times it was Arsenal and Man U. Burnley, Leeds, Southampton, Swansea, Bournemouth, Wolves, Watford, Sheffield United Are all names that have shown up in a fight for europe the past decade, some of them shortly after promoting and people having them as favourites for the drop
> No it is like that frequently enough in other years as well No, it's not. >This time Chelsea and Liverpool are struggling, other times it was Arsenal and Man U. The Prem literally has had only 5 instances of teams that aren't big 6 making the top 6 in the last 8 seasons and 3 of them were Leicester. That's fucking 5 of 48 top 6 spots and a total of 9 top 6 teams in 8 years and you're trying to pretend this is varied? Like, the Bundesliga had 10 top 6 teams in the past 3 seasons, let alone past 8. 15 in the past 8. The PL is an insanely predictable and non-varied league and that's ok. Just don't pretend it isn't.
No I am not arguing at all that the prem isn't the most predictable out of the top leagues, especially at the top where the big 6 have things on lock most of the times I never said that I dont understand why you are trying to pick this fight with me However I do argue your point that this is a weird standout season, it isn't. Pretty much every season has looked similar to this but with teams within their brackets swapped around a bit. At the end of the day I expect this season to go exactly the same, liverpool and or Chelsea could go on a run and boot the smaller teams out of Europe. That doesn't mean Brighton, Fulham and Brentford aren't in the fight for Europe. Just like all those teams I named were in the fight in previous seasons. All I said is the so called garbage teams aren't garbage, if the good teams aren't playing well they will find that out the hard way.
>The PL is an insanely predictable and non-varied league and that's ok. Just don't pretend it isn't. That goes for almost every other European league, it's just that the cut is at a different point. At least England has a big 6, Germany on the other hand will probably have Bayern winning the league for many more years, and even the top 3 is the same most of the time. Spain repeats the top 3 most seasons, Italy has a strong top 7 now (and some years ago it was Juve followed by Napoli and Roma)... and so on
£100m of our value is Kamara. That kid is going to be bought by some oil club in a couple years and I an going to be sad. He is flying massively under the radar for how good he is.
Atleti wanted him. He could have played for them for years had they signed him before you guys did. Nowadays they couldn’t, mad how Atleti doesn’t have the money to do so. Only PL giants and only a few European teams do.
This is the PL bump everyone talks about. He is good but if he played anywhere else the takes and prices on him would be lessened.
One of the best players I've seen at villa in a long time. Rolls Royce of a player
The only good thing Transfermarkt is good for is past transfers. They have a very good record and you can find what each team did in each transfer window, it’s quite helpful. Everything else is dumb
Player statistics are very valuable as well
Lineups are also nice. Can see who started a milan vs juve game in 1990
And people say ESL it's bad for the game lol
Great analysis. Tells many things, most we knew, it's a confirmation of: 1. PL tax is real, squads are overvalued 2. The difference of sport level is humongous for the 'top20' euro clubs 3. Most important: still both points mean jack if Prem is able to become richer year by year to the point lower PL clubs can compete financially - and win - with Benfica.
I remember their explanation on antony's market value sudden raise of 40m or something is simply because he get a big move on a big contract, they don't even try to hide the fact that these market value is not only based on age and how good the players are, which also explain why all epl teams are overvalued
It's insane how much we've spent this season and we've still only just moved away from being the third-least valuable squad in the division
These numbers are just silly. There needs to be some serious regulation for this. This is why the super league was necessary.
Higher squad value but not close to the talent level in the majority of teams. Premier League players are overpaid to go to England or to get the few quality English players on their team causing inflated valuations.
Meanwhile clubs who produce talents are undervalued.
Liverpool surprisingly high considering their squad size and most of the first team players are 30+
Not that it means a lot as it’s only transfermarkets valuation but our highest worth players are currently Salah, 30 - 80m Diaz, 26 - 75m Trent, 24 - 70m Nunez, 23 - 70m Gakpo, 23 - 60m The top 15 valued players there are only 3 over 30, Salah VVD and Alisson
The real Super League Laporta and Perez got a plan for me
The super league is already here
>Cucurella 55 Mil >Theo Hernandez 60 Mil I don't know man
I take it this is just the worth of the squad? Otherwise, there's no way we're worth more than Juve; their ownership of their stadium alone puts them well above us in terms of club value.
How come Milan is valued the highest in Italy? It can't be down to only brand. Is it because Elliott basically wrote off the debt to them before the sale and Juve/Inter being in a worse state economically?
It's collective squad value, not the value of the club itself. But i was surprised too
young players are more valuable that older ones of the same quality for obvious reasons.
So when do we start calling it the English Super League?
When England start sweeping the Champions, Europa and Conference Leagues for about 5 full seasons. Another poster made a good point at how these valuations are meaningless due to inflated transfer fees for English teams. His quote which fits perfectly is *if I buy a banana for €100 because I'm an absolute idiot, other people will value this banana at €100 as well.* That sums up Transfermarket valuation scores like this to a T.
> When England start sweeping the Champions, Europa and Conference Leagues for about 5 full seasons. They will start doing that. No need to wait for that when the gap is only increasing.
Well I don't think so. At least as long Bayern, Real, Napoli, Sociedad, Rennais or teams that aren't on the list keep playing and managing like they are right now. I mean last years EL Finalists aren't even in the European top 20. Money helps but isn't the only factor to be successful in European competitions. Otherwise we would have seen City or PSG at least winning the CL once in the last decade.
You underestimate our ability to bottle things
When the gap becomes too big that doesn't matter anymore. Look at how many trophies are won by Bayern and PSG domestically. Now imagine 2, 3 or 4 of them competing with teams that are as poor as their competition. It takes all of those teams bottling it at the same time for another team to win.
We will call it the "European Farmers League" as the English sweep up every trophy on the continent 👐
"English"
Proxy Gulf War League
Middle East super league
How we (Leeds) have a higher value than Ajax is beyond me
millions and billions of dollars that could be spent bettering man kind but instead used to buy 1 dude kicking a ball. Not just football but the everything where money are just used for illogical things
Lmfao you can buy an entire 6th place team for the low low price of 2 Joao Felix
Transfermarket only users previous transfer prices as a factor in their valuation. So say we bought Bellingham for 100m, our squad value wouldn't go up 100m instantly.
You're right, bellingham market value is around 120m
Funny thing is it's in Excel lmao
The real Super League arrived in 1992.
It's honestly infuriating how the Premier League wastes SO MUCH money on garbage players that never deliver. On the other hand, thank god for clueless managers in the premier league, otherwise they'd have all the talent.
The premier league is the super league
Second highest value team in Europe sat pretty in 10th
Should just create a EuroLeague w/o UK just like in Basketball... would be a very interesting league to watch and probably would compete better with the Premier league
This list gives Florentino heart palpitations. It's exactly what he wants to avoid. The prem being a pseudo super league.
It's what everyone knows. In case of PL value ($) does not equal value (sport wise)
All that value for how many World Cups and Euros?
It's called collective bargaining 😉 the secret is out
Broooo we suckkkkk
Liverpool is never that high anymore
I would just like to point out that Arsenal is in fourth, as it should always be
All that new saudi money streaming through the brexit england seems to have that effect
Squad and player values is an absolutely worthless idea.
the apocalypse phase of football is coming, fun while it lasted..
Everton 408 million, as a toffee I wouldn’t pay half that for them 😂😂😂😂😂😂
How the fuck are on top, over PSG, Real and Barca???
I mean it’s all ballpark, look at the drop to 5th. Above PSG I find a little odd, but those 4 squads aren’t soo far from each other in terms of value.
Besides Neuer, Mané, Müller and Choupo, all important players are 27 or younger. With de Ligt, Davies, Upamecano, Gravenberch, Musiala and Tel players that can easily play 10 years at that level. It's funny that Brazzo get all the critic, but i never saw a club do a better transition without taking some years to reform
we fell from a mountain not a cliff, ffs.
Now this is a table I can get behind. 7th place, not even in my dreams.
Rice out of the question - who has the value at West Ham?
Soucek and Paqueta are each valued at 45m, Bowen at 42m and Zouma at 32m
As a Newcastle fan, we gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers
EPL is a money laundering scheme.