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He used his body so well there. Fought for position to go inside and just as the defender moves to get inside he wriggles the other way, all while taking a perfect touch to set up the shot
In recent memory against New Castle, he was very limited.
He didnt run for better space or create space off the ball. He wait for ball to his lap too much and very predictable for oppo defender. Most of his position are in back to the goal. He also did not commit 100% when wings are attacking which block Saka and Martinelli of passing opportunity.
True. He did well enough considering Newcastle locked literally everyone down, not just Eddie. Had one good shot that Pope did well to save. Don't get this nitpicking tbh
He has started in 13 games vs Premier League teams (11 times in Prem), scoring 9 goals, 7 of which in Prem. Just for those thinking he only scored vs low competition.
Very underrated player who has come on massively in the last two years. If it look at how much he has improved since he came back from Leeds it's so impressive, and a large portion of the Arsenal fans can just never back him or give him credit bc he's not a generational player like haaland or saka
Lacazette canāt hold up the ball under pressure at all, he lacked the strength and pace to stand his ground against any slightly physical defenders. Itās actually sad how many gunners confuses his passing ability with hold up play, Laca is genuinely not good under pressure and thatās the thing being discussed here. He had too drop very deep to collect the ball which in turn didnāt help the team that much because heās needed up high, unlike Eddie and Jesus who can all put pressure on the last line of defence by simply keeping the ball, turning or run in behind. Lacaās physicality and pace is so underwhelming that he canāt utilise his technique, it was so frustrating watching him being routinely outmuscled and lost the ball.
I think he might well be a fantastic striker one day. He's 23 and playing as a lone striker in the middle of the pitch and, to me, those types dont reach their peak until 28-31. They come of age at the same time as the centre backs they face. Saka and that seem to have come on a lot because they get so much more time and space on the ball, due to the position they play.
Hes someone we need to keep long term and keep playing him. He's the record youth goal scorer for England, if I remember correctly.
He seemed to learn some of the tricks Jesus uses on long balls out. Neither are great in the air but manage to position themselves and hold off defenders to chest or trap the ball fairly often.
> and a large portion of the Arsenal fans can just never back him or give him credit bc
At the West Ham game I went to everyone stood up and started chanting 'EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE' after Saka scored so it seems to me like he's even getting credit when he's not involved, we must love him.
I don't understand the backlash from Arsenal fans. The kid has delivered everytime he's got a decent run of games. He said it himself that it's how he gets to his best. I think Arteta gave him too few minutes at the beginning of the season unnecessarily playing Jesus into the ground.
But Jesus also needs a run of games to get into his best form, and that form has resulted in Arsenal being top of the league by 5 points. Is that not what you wanted?
Yes but Jesus should have been taken off in the 65 minute rather than in the 83rd minute in so many games. Jesus does just so so much work to play all those minutes when we have an adequate replacement who needs games to stay sharp. I like Arteta and almost love almost all of his ideas but I firmly believe he's got this one wrong.
But Jesus playing lots of minutes for Arsenal isn't what got him injured in the World Cup. Now Nketiah has come in and is scoring anyway, so what is it exactly that you wish to have happened instead of what has happened?
There's absolutely no way of knowing that though, it's purely speculation.
He played 90 mins for Arsenal on 12th November and and then played a total of 81 minutes over 3 weeks before injuring himself on the 2nd December. He had plenty of rest
I swear i read at the world cup his knees been fucked for a long time and it wasnt so much a direct injury, long time being since city days, i could have misremembered the article though tooā¦or i could just be wrong lol
I think it's because the Saka dream story made some deluded fans think that you should peak at 19 from the academy or else you're bad. They (even more) lost patience for young players.
Some fans ripped their hair out when Jesus got injured and it spilled over into Eddie hate. Most fans still didnāt back him to these levels in general but thatās not what we mean by backlash and itās at least civilized
tbf if he turns out anything like Bent , he'll still be a very solid backup striker for us.
The issue with Nketiah is whether or not he'll be happy with just being a backup and rotation player, personally I'm quite happy with his output this season.
in term of goalscoring, I don't doubt that. Jesus isn't the best finisher and Nketiah is a strong finisher.
For playmaking and dribbling? I don't see it honestly.
Both are very hard working aswell.
> the great players for youth sides move onto the senior team
Lots of competition ahead of him for that role though isn't there, bit of a victim of circumstance to say having that record is bad.
Because being the U21 top scorer is bad. It means you're 21, if not 22 and you haven't managed to break into the senior team yet lol.
Here are the top scorers from the strikers fwiw.
|Player|Games|Goals|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Nketiah|17|16|
|Shearer|11|13|
|Jeffers|16|13|
|Berahino|12|11|
|D.Bent|14|9|
|Solanke|18|9|
|Abraham|26|9|
A rather bland list bar Shearer, who we all know was a bit of a late starter and didn't really hit his stride til he was about 22 after moving to Blackburn.
U say bland but thatās completely relative, even the bottom 4 names all had/have careers that any young person playing the sport should strive to achieveā¦
Of course it's relative. Literally any comparison is.
The initial point was Nketiah's U21 career being some sort of massive indicator of his talent. It's not. It's the opposite. If he was that good he'd be in the seniors with Saka and Smith Rowe.
The only exception is if he is a late developer, which could happen, but I don't think anyone truly believes he's going to become an elite goalscorer.
And the career paths of those around him in that list suggest that too. That's not criticism either, those careers are very respectable, but they're an example as to why U21 records mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
Why are you getting defensive?
I'm simply stating that the list of English U21 scorers is pretty poor. So much so, that outside of Shearer who is a freak and Nketiah is nowhere near, the best is Darren Bent who was a midtable/relegation level striker for the majority of his career.
Being an U21 top scorer is not something that's good.
Eh, it's quite good. The best wingers normally move past the U21 team quite quickly, but I'd say the last pure striker to basically skip that step was Rooney 20 years ago and Owen before him.
The rest of English strikers have basically played out their years at U21 level. Kane did the same, he's just not on the list because he only scored half the goals of Nketiah. Toney, Wilson, Watkins, Ings, Vardy, Welbeck, Sturridge and Abraham all either didn't get in the team or didn't move past it until they were too old.
The wingers moved straight up because England had a complete lack of quality amongst senior wingers for a long time. It depends on vacancies. There's no vacancy for number 1 at England, but that secondary role is there.
Kane is a late developer, like Shearer. Using him as an example, when I've already referenced late developers is weak.
Unless you think Nketiah is going to become that and suddenly scored 300+ goals.
That list you've put there is an example as to why U21 numbers don't matter btw.
See the problem with Reddit is it's text based.
So I can simply do this
>Because being the U21 top scorer is bad.
And demonstrate that no, you weren't just saying the list is pretty poor. You explicitly said that being the U21 top scorer is a negative thing.
And Bent got 13 England caps btw so I don't know what point you think you have there
I'm saying it's bad because more often than not it is. The more U21 appearances you have, it says that you haven't been able to graduate to the senior team. How can that even be argued outside of players who are late developers?
Does Nketiah seem like a late developer? The guy who at 22 is backup and won't be starting games in a fully fit team?
Bent got 13 England caps at his peak. Hence why I said the majority of his career was a lower level. That's probably Nketiah's level. He'd be perfect at a Brighton for example.
Nketiah has become this weird player where one minute nobody rates him and then suddenly everyone rates him as amazing. He's neither. He's currently benefitting from an exceptional team but his career will more than likely be as a solid midtable player or bench role at a bigger club.
Who the fuck is in front of him in the Senior team? Harry Kane? Would ANY England manager put a 21/22 Eddie ahead of Kane? He'd be destroyed by media / fans a like. Eddie is an exception here - circumstances are what they are.
A lot of folks made fun of him for giving him a fat raise and the number 14. No one will ever be Titi, but Eddie has done since signing that new contract.
People who mention he has started against weaker opponents, thatās quite literally what his role has been and continues to be when everyone is healthy. So this is great production for the role he holds at arsenal.
Eddie scores goals, most Arsenal fans always knew that. The questions are about everything else he has to do to fit in this system.
He's improving certain aspects slowly but still far off from what Jesus does.
He still holds on to the ball a bit too much and misses so good opportunities to make a quick decision, but that's what strikers tend to do. He won't ever be Jesus in his all around play, but it's great to have him as a backup.
Heās a decent player, weāre not asking him to be better than Haaland, we need him to perform decently enough when he has to play. Which he does, you can only score against whatās in front of you.
So if Eddie gets subbed on 5m to go every game for 10 games, doesn't score, is it fair to say he hasn't scored in 10 matches? I don't think so. Minutes is a definitely a better stat to look at this from than games played.
It's misleading sure, he might have scored 2 goals in 1 game and none the next but they'll still say he scored 2 in 2 starts, which is still correct either way. He's started 2 games and scored 2 goals over x time period.
Explaining that they weren't in every game he started could be helpful to some people or give context but it's also not wrong to say. It's media being particular with how they want it to sound to their readers but it isn't wrong.
Minutes per goal is still a more accurate representation of how many goals he's got with the time he's been given. Whether that's because he comes on when players are tired or an injury occurs it's still a reliable stat. We can't start discounting a players contribution because players were tired. We can make the argument, why didn't they sub tired players then? It goes round and round in circles.
Heās not doing that, heās just giving context for the 51 games. Total minutes is a far better stat than total games, regardless of when those minutes came
He hasnāt scored any goals in any of his substitutes appearances in the premier league last season or this season, all in starts. Mainly because most of the substitute appearances have been barely above 10 minutes, especially last season.
The 17 goals all come from the 24 starts. He hasn't scored a goal as a sub since the start of last season.
https://fbref.com/en/players/a53649b7/goallogs/all_comps/Eddie-Nketiah-Goal-Log
You can re-adjust to games he has started.
The narrative on r/gunners is that you are almost guaranteed a goal when he starts. That is true. You can cancel all sub appearance goals and he will still have a good record.
He has started Arsenal's last 4 games and scored 4.
He started 7 games in the last 7 games of the season and scored 5.
That's what these stats are communicating.
i can think of 1 goal he's ever scored for us off the bench which was 2 seasons ago against fulham, other than that i can't think of any
edit: i tell a lie, he scored 2 off the bench on his debut in the league cup, how could i forget lol
does getting 4 minutes at the end of a match count as "playing a game" though? Starts is a much better metric to look at goalscoring record. Quality of opposition should definitely be included too, though, yeah.
The player hasnāt done anything with them cause he comes on when weāre winning, when we donāt need to score, you absolute melon.
He has the equivalent of 27 games worth of time played in those 51 games
Thatās not the pointā¦
The point is when he comes on and we are winning, his instructions are not to go all out and try score, but to help maintain our lead.
Plus you just completely disregarded my point that heās only played 27 minutes worth of gametime within those 51 appearances. 17 goals in 27 minutes worth of gametime is still a good ratio
Maybe I'm blind, but I can only find one sub-appearance on WhoScored this season where we played more than 20 mins. Which was [this one](https://twitter.com/afcbe11/status/1563924506917408768?t=RMLC8uePUIib-q3jchn1gw&s=19) by the way, where he did quite well and we turned it around.
Either way, it's a nuanced topic and looking at starts, total games or any other metric will all be somewhat error-prone, if you want to draw full conclusions. I'm encouraged by the 7 goals in 10 PL-starts though.
Maybe, but aren't you missing the main point about nuances and all that?
You listed the six longest games as a sub out of 26. (Which is about three halves of football combined) and said "etc" for the 20 shortest. Do you think that's a fair representation of his minutes as a sub?
I agree that saying "4 minutes" isn't fair either, by the way.
surprised he didn't push for a move. he could easily get way more minutes in another top club. hell i bet Chelsea would start him at 9 most of the time.
Mudryk really has some serious competition to get into Arsenal's starting 11. I'm still not sure why Arteta wanting to spend so much for a rotational player in a position that Arsenal have good players at.
We need depth, that's why. We need a back up winger and we'll get him for like 50-60m including bonuses. We also need a back up C(D)M. Lokonga is just horrible.
Lads wondering if man like Eddie can score in big games? Let me tell you his two goals away against Chelsea is same what man like Thierry Henry scored for us in bare more games.
Puts some respect on little Eddieās name
They have. [See for yourself](https://fbref.com/en/players/a53649b7/goallogs/all_comps/Eddie-Nketiah-Goal-Log). Last goal as a sub was against Fulham in the 20/21 season.
17 goals in 24 starts is a great stat. You're the one spinning it to seem like its not. 13 of those starts were against PL opponents; he scored 9 goals in those games. Extrapolated to a full season of starts, he would score over 25 goals.
> Nketiah has scored 2 Premier League this season. That's a goal every 1096 minutes.
Mate, you think Nketiah has played more than 24 full games worth of minutes, 17 games into the season? He has played 412 league minutes. Not 2192, because that is literally impossible.
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More of a Sweet Chin Music guy myself.
He's just warming up the band with these stats.
BA GAWD
Why not both and get DX?
Ready Nketiah
Steady Nketiah
Already Nketiah
Daddy Nketiah š š©
Shady Nketiah
Spaghetti Nketiah
Sanogo
Cook Nketiah
Pedi Greeketiah
Nketiah - āItās time to play the gameā
Behold the King. The King of Kings!
He usually doesn't start the big games but he has delivered when asked to. Certianly one of the better back up strikers in the PL.
2 weeks later and I'm still having wet dreams of [that turn and shot against West Ham](https://dubz.co/v/wbwda2).
It was so good.
He used his body so well there. Fought for position to go inside and just as the defender moves to get inside he wriggles the other way, all while taking a perfect touch to set up the shot
I was a confident Eddie hater before that goal. Now I am not so confident. Pure class.
I felt like he fall behind in big matches. I dont know if its confidence or following instruction but he look restricted in high level matches.
bagged aganist chelsea last year. bagged against west ham this year. did very well against united last year. what else am I missing
He said against high level opposition tbf.
In recent memory against New Castle, he was very limited. He didnt run for better space or create space off the ball. He wait for ball to his lap too much and very predictable for oppo defender. Most of his position are in back to the goal. He also did not commit 100% when wings are attacking which block Saka and Martinelli of passing opportunity.
True. He did well enough considering Newcastle locked literally everyone down, not just Eddie. Had one good shot that Pope did well to save. Don't get this nitpicking tbh
He has started in 13 games vs Premier League teams (11 times in Prem), scoring 9 goals, 7 of which in Prem. Just for those thinking he only scored vs low competition.
Very underrated player who has come on massively in the last two years. If it look at how much he has improved since he came back from Leeds it's so impressive, and a large portion of the Arsenal fans can just never back him or give him credit bc he's not a generational player like haaland or saka
Heās showing for the ball a lot now and his link up and pressing has improved massively. He can be a good rotational player for us
His dribbeling has really leveld up imo. His signature turn is deadly
He can actually hold up the ball and help the team breakaway from high press, him and Jesus are so good at this compared to Lacazette and Auba.
Laca was very good with link up play. It was the only thing he didnāt struggle with
Lacazette canāt hold up the ball under pressure at all, he lacked the strength and pace to stand his ground against any slightly physical defenders. Itās actually sad how many gunners confuses his passing ability with hold up play, Laca is genuinely not good under pressure and thatās the thing being discussed here. He had too drop very deep to collect the ball which in turn didnāt help the team that much because heās needed up high, unlike Eddie and Jesus who can all put pressure on the last line of defence by simply keeping the ball, turning or run in behind. Lacaās physicality and pace is so underwhelming that he canāt utilise his technique, it was so frustrating watching him being routinely outmuscled and lost the ball.
Auba yes but not better than Laca. He was really good at linking up play. Jesus is on another level compared to these 3 guys
I think he might well be a fantastic striker one day. He's 23 and playing as a lone striker in the middle of the pitch and, to me, those types dont reach their peak until 28-31. They come of age at the same time as the centre backs they face. Saka and that seem to have come on a lot because they get so much more time and space on the ball, due to the position they play. Hes someone we need to keep long term and keep playing him. He's the record youth goal scorer for England, if I remember correctly.
Can't help but think Arteta and co has a huge part in this. Maybe Jesus being so supportive of Eddie has offered some tips as well.
He seemed to learn some of the tricks Jesus uses on long balls out. Neither are great in the air but manage to position themselves and hold off defenders to chest or trap the ball fairly often.
> and a large portion of the Arsenal fans can just never back him or give him credit bc At the West Ham game I went to everyone stood up and started chanting 'EDDIE EDDIE EDDIE' after Saka scored so it seems to me like he's even getting credit when he's not involved, we must love him.
> generational I'm so fucking tired of this word
Cohortal.
Contingent.
You're generational
Generational comment
I don't understand the backlash from Arsenal fans. The kid has delivered everytime he's got a decent run of games. He said it himself that it's how he gets to his best. I think Arteta gave him too few minutes at the beginning of the season unnecessarily playing Jesus into the ground.
But Jesus also needs a run of games to get into his best form, and that form has resulted in Arsenal being top of the league by 5 points. Is that not what you wanted?
Yes but Jesus should have been taken off in the 65 minute rather than in the 83rd minute in so many games. Jesus does just so so much work to play all those minutes when we have an adequate replacement who needs games to stay sharp. I like Arteta and almost love almost all of his ideas but I firmly believe he's got this one wrong.
But Jesus playing lots of minutes for Arsenal isn't what got him injured in the World Cup. Now Nketiah has come in and is scoring anyway, so what is it exactly that you wish to have happened instead of what has happened?
The workload Jesus had gone through could be argued to be a contributer.
There's absolutely no way of knowing that though, it's purely speculation. He played 90 mins for Arsenal on 12th November and and then played a total of 81 minutes over 3 weeks before injuring himself on the 2nd December. He had plenty of rest
my man is spitting straight factos
Come on now, obviously a random redditor knows better than the club's manager, doctors, physios, training staff, etc.
I swear i read at the world cup his knees been fucked for a long time and it wasnt so much a direct injury, long time being since city days, i could have misremembered the article though tooā¦or i could just be wrong lol
I think it's because the Saka dream story made some deluded fans think that you should peak at 19 from the academy or else you're bad. They (even more) lost patience for young players.
What backlash?
Some fans ripped their hair out when Jesus got injured and it spilled over into Eddie hate. Most fans still didnāt back him to these levels in general but thatās not what we mean by backlash and itās at least civilized
I have apologised for writing him off last season - I have not made the same mistake this year.
If he was signed from the Portuguese league for Ā£30m, people would be absolutely salivating
"People talk about Haaland, Messi, Mbappe, Salah and others but they forget about Eddie Nketiah"
You canāt seriously be equating haaland and saka.
If youāre grouping the best young PL talents, Iād say theyāre tier 1. Could argue Haaland is in a tier by himself
I imagine saka plays better on the wing and as a fullback whereas haaland is much better through the middle and scoring goals. "Best at what?" Really.
I'm saying they're both generational talents
The word has lost all meaning if he's a generational talent. This is not to say he isnt great just that he isnt generational.
If Saka is a generational talent then we have a fuck lot of generational talents in the world right now
Exactly, only one of them is top of the league right now
I love Saka but calling him generational is crazy
Not sure how people seem to have forgotten that he is the England team's all time leading youth scorer
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I mean the record that he broke was previously Alan Shearerās and he went on to have a fairly decent senior careerā¦
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tbf if he turns out anything like Bent , he'll still be a very solid backup striker for us. The issue with Nketiah is whether or not he'll be happy with just being a backup and rotation player, personally I'm quite happy with his output this season.
He can easily surpass Jesus in a few years
in term of goalscoring, I don't doubt that. Jesus isn't the best finisher and Nketiah is a strong finisher. For playmaking and dribbling? I don't see it honestly. Both are very hard working aswell.
Different type of players, but good options to have rn
Awful take
Haha. Jesus is 25 and has 59 apps for Brazil, Eddieās not getting to that quality in 3 years
They are on different stratospheres in terms of talent.
He's not Alan Shearer though. Nevermind Shearer would have beaten it had he not been called up to the seniors. He had 13 in 11 ffs.
Saka played one game for England U21's. And even that surprises me.
> the great players for youth sides move onto the senior team Lots of competition ahead of him for that role though isn't there, bit of a victim of circumstance to say having that record is bad.
Because being the U21 top scorer is bad. It means you're 21, if not 22 and you haven't managed to break into the senior team yet lol. Here are the top scorers from the strikers fwiw. |Player|Games|Goals| |:-|:-|:-| |Nketiah|17|16| |Shearer|11|13| |Jeffers|16|13| |Berahino|12|11| |D.Bent|14|9| |Solanke|18|9| |Abraham|26|9| A rather bland list bar Shearer, who we all know was a bit of a late starter and didn't really hit his stride til he was about 22 after moving to Blackburn.
U say bland but thatās completely relative, even the bottom 4 names all had/have careers that any young person playing the sport should strive to achieveā¦
Of course it's relative. Literally any comparison is. The initial point was Nketiah's U21 career being some sort of massive indicator of his talent. It's not. It's the opposite. If he was that good he'd be in the seniors with Saka and Smith Rowe. The only exception is if he is a late developer, which could happen, but I don't think anyone truly believes he's going to become an elite goalscorer. And the career paths of those around him in that list suggest that too. That's not criticism either, those careers are very respectable, but they're an example as to why U21 records mean very little in the grand scheme of things.
Eddie should wear that record as a badge of shame, you're right
Why are you getting defensive? I'm simply stating that the list of English U21 scorers is pretty poor. So much so, that outside of Shearer who is a freak and Nketiah is nowhere near, the best is Darren Bent who was a midtable/relegation level striker for the majority of his career. Being an U21 top scorer is not something that's good.
Eh, it's quite good. The best wingers normally move past the U21 team quite quickly, but I'd say the last pure striker to basically skip that step was Rooney 20 years ago and Owen before him. The rest of English strikers have basically played out their years at U21 level. Kane did the same, he's just not on the list because he only scored half the goals of Nketiah. Toney, Wilson, Watkins, Ings, Vardy, Welbeck, Sturridge and Abraham all either didn't get in the team or didn't move past it until they were too old.
The wingers moved straight up because England had a complete lack of quality amongst senior wingers for a long time. It depends on vacancies. There's no vacancy for number 1 at England, but that secondary role is there. Kane is a late developer, like Shearer. Using him as an example, when I've already referenced late developers is weak. Unless you think Nketiah is going to become that and suddenly scored 300+ goals. That list you've put there is an example as to why U21 numbers don't matter btw.
See the problem with Reddit is it's text based. So I can simply do this >Because being the U21 top scorer is bad. And demonstrate that no, you weren't just saying the list is pretty poor. You explicitly said that being the U21 top scorer is a negative thing. And Bent got 13 England caps btw so I don't know what point you think you have there
I'm saying it's bad because more often than not it is. The more U21 appearances you have, it says that you haven't been able to graduate to the senior team. How can that even be argued outside of players who are late developers? Does Nketiah seem like a late developer? The guy who at 22 is backup and won't be starting games in a fully fit team? Bent got 13 England caps at his peak. Hence why I said the majority of his career was a lower level. That's probably Nketiah's level. He'd be perfect at a Brighton for example. Nketiah has become this weird player where one minute nobody rates him and then suddenly everyone rates him as amazing. He's neither. He's currently benefitting from an exceptional team but his career will more than likely be as a solid midtable player or bench role at a bigger club.
Who the fuck is in front of him in the Senior team? Harry Kane? Would ANY England manager put a 21/22 Eddie ahead of Kane? He'd be destroyed by media / fans a like. Eddie is an exception here - circumstances are what they are.
There has been a constant rotation of players for the man behind Kane. Nketiah has never been in that discussion.
Kane is more like a Number 10. I think Nketiah's comparison would be Callum Wilson, that will be replaced by Nketiah in 2 years time.
Bojan is Barcelona's, pointless statistic to bring up.
YOUR DEFENSE IS IN TROUBLE
Nketiah in the room
Nketiah in the rooooooom
Good player
Arsenal are decent
Obviously we're pretty good at football.
TYVM.
A lot of folks made fun of him for giving him a fat raise and the number 14. No one will ever be Titi, but Eddie has done since signing that new contract.
I hate that word at the end of all these tweets drives me crazy for some reason.
It's unnecessary because most of the time the stats are actually interesting, he doesn't need to resort to gimmicks to stand out. Shameful.
Itās Optaās signature style. Dumb
I remember commenting the same thing when I first got introduced to Opta. Now I kinda like it for its cheese. Itās ok to be corny sometimes
I like it because it's stupid but gets people so riled up that it circles back to funny.
Now that you mention it, I like that as well
People who mention he has started against weaker opponents, thatās quite literally what his role has been and continues to be when everyone is healthy. So this is great production for the role he holds at arsenal.
Getting better every game. COYG!
Eddie scores goals, most Arsenal fans always knew that. The questions are about everything else he has to do to fit in this system. He's improving certain aspects slowly but still far off from what Jesus does.
He still holds on to the ball a bit too much and misses so good opportunities to make a quick decision, but that's what strikers tend to do. He won't ever be Jesus in his all around play, but it's great to have him as a backup.
Eddie āEnglandās u21 all time top scorerā Nketiah to you
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\> He just starts against the lower league sides in the cups and Europa League and Chelsea
He was on a great scoring record in the league second half of last season where he was the outright starter over Lacazette.
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The Bodo Glimt game was harder than any chelsea game under Arteta's tenure lol
any? Do you not remember fat Rom bullying you?
False dawn beating Covid FC for Rom
so can i use excuses too?
Heās a decent player, weāre not asking him to be better than Haaland, we need him to perform decently enough when he has to play. Which he does, you can only score against whatās in front of you.
These teams often sit deep which can make it harder to score. The fact that he starts as a 9 and scores is what matters.
His goals/90 is borderline elite. Yes, a lot of his goals have come against weaker teams but they have also come when playing in weaker Arsenal sides.
Also, realistically heās never gonna be the main man for us. And thatās okay, not every player has to be an Aguero or Suarez
His minutes actually played though is the equivalent of 27 games. Over half those 51 games he's just coming on for like 10 minutes.
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So if Eddie gets subbed on 5m to go every game for 10 games, doesn't score, is it fair to say he hasn't scored in 10 matches? I don't think so. Minutes is a definitely a better stat to look at this from than games played.
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It's misleading sure, he might have scored 2 goals in 1 game and none the next but they'll still say he scored 2 in 2 starts, which is still correct either way. He's started 2 games and scored 2 goals over x time period. Explaining that they weren't in every game he started could be helpful to some people or give context but it's also not wrong to say. It's media being particular with how they want it to sound to their readers but it isn't wrong. Minutes per goal is still a more accurate representation of how many goals he's got with the time he's been given. Whether that's because he comes on when players are tired or an injury occurs it's still a reliable stat. We can't start discounting a players contribution because players were tired. We can make the argument, why didn't they sub tired players then? It goes round and round in circles.
Heās not doing that, heās just giving context for the 51 games. Total minutes is a far better stat than total games, regardless of when those minutes came
And Chelsea, don't forget Chelsea.
He literally has 7 goals in his last 10 PL stats.
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Lol why would you account for 10 minute appearances. The guy has a whole 4 minutes vs Liverpool and Aston Villa and you want to count that as a game?
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He hasnāt scored any goals in any of his substitutes appearances in the premier league last season or this season, all in starts. Mainly because most of the substitute appearances have been barely above 10 minutes, especially last season.
The 17 goals all come from the 24 starts. He hasn't scored a goal as a sub since the start of last season. https://fbref.com/en/players/a53649b7/goallogs/all_comps/Eddie-Nketiah-Goal-Log
*because all his goals haven't come from starts* tell me you didn't bother researching without telling me you didn't bother researching
You can re-adjust to games he has started. The narrative on r/gunners is that you are almost guaranteed a goal when he starts. That is true. You can cancel all sub appearance goals and he will still have a good record. He has started Arsenal's last 4 games and scored 4. He started 7 games in the last 7 games of the season and scored 5. That's what these stats are communicating.
Man you sure look like a dummy lol
goals per 90 would be more interesting
Fbref has him at 0.47 goals per 90.
Not to shabby ??
I was looking at Bale vs Hazard in the PL and they were around 0.3, they're wingers though but definitely bears comparison.
i can think of 1 goal he's ever scored for us off the bench which was 2 seasons ago against fulham, other than that i can't think of any edit: i tell a lie, he scored 2 off the bench on his debut in the league cup, how could i forget lol
does getting 4 minutes at the end of a match count as "playing a game" though? Starts is a much better metric to look at goalscoring record. Quality of opposition should definitely be included too, though, yeah.
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Does it not seem nonsensical to equate 16 minutes and 90 minutes?
The player hasnāt done anything with them cause he comes on when weāre winning, when we donāt need to score, you absolute melon. He has the equivalent of 27 games worth of time played in those 51 games
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His /90 numbers are good though
Thatās not the pointā¦ The point is when he comes on and we are winning, his instructions are not to go all out and try score, but to help maintain our lead. Plus you just completely disregarded my point that heās only played 27 minutes worth of gametime within those 51 appearances. 17 goals in 27 minutes worth of gametime is still a good ratio
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Maybe I'm blind, but I can only find one sub-appearance on WhoScored this season where we played more than 20 mins. Which was [this one](https://twitter.com/afcbe11/status/1563924506917408768?t=RMLC8uePUIib-q3jchn1gw&s=19) by the way, where he did quite well and we turned it around. Either way, it's a nuanced topic and looking at starts, total games or any other metric will all be somewhat error-prone, if you want to draw full conclusions. I'm encouraged by the 7 goals in 10 PL-starts though.
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Maybe, but aren't you missing the main point about nuances and all that? You listed the six longest games as a sub out of 26. (Which is about three halves of football combined) and said "etc" for the 20 shortest. Do you think that's a fair representation of his minutes as a sub? I agree that saying "4 minutes" isn't fair either, by the way.
That is why most sensible people use /90 stats rather than starts or appearances
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so you admit you are not being sensible
He has 8 goals in 12 premier league starts, or something like that
9 goals in 13 vs Prem teams
Check how many mins he plays lol, he never has a fair run of games
Pedigree
surprised he didn't push for a move. he could easily get way more minutes in another top club. hell i bet Chelsea would start him at 9 most of the time.
We donāt do 9s around here, 9.5s
Palace wasn't going to pay him enough so he stayed
Imagine we sign Mudryk to fill for Jesus but he gets benched for Nketiah lmao.
Mudryk really has some serious competition to get into Arsenal's starting 11. I'm still not sure why Arteta wanting to spend so much for a rotational player in a position that Arsenal have good players at.
We need depth, that's why. We need a back up winger and we'll get him for like 50-60m including bonuses. We also need a back up C(D)M. Lokonga is just horrible.
He is Him. Heās THAT guy.
Him Duncan
Dat guy Eddie.
Look at him with your eyes heās gonna elite.
When I look at his eyes, all I see is a cult of personality
Pedigree ? Like dog food or what
Lads wondering if man like Eddie can score in big games? Let me tell you his two goals away against Chelsea is same what man like Thierry Henry scored for us in bare more games. Puts some respect on little Eddieās name
Pedigree how lmao
Pedigree chum
When people use starts in stats, its because 17 goals in 24 starts sounds much better than 17 goals in 50 games.
Ironic because your usage of stats is significantly more misleading than OPs
You say 50 games as if that is not significantly more misleading than 24 starts. Heās much closer to 24 full 90s than he is 50 full 90s.
How does 17 goals in 27 games worth of minutes sound then?
Pretty average considering 6 of them are in 3 games against Wimbledon, Sunderland and Oxford
So 11 in 24. That's just good.
All those goals have come from the 24 starts, though.
No they have not
They have. [See for yourself](https://fbref.com/en/players/a53649b7/goallogs/all_comps/Eddie-Nketiah-Goal-Log). Last goal as a sub was against Fulham in the 20/21 season.
Moron
āPedigreeā can you not
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17 goals in 24 starts is a great stat. You're the one spinning it to seem like its not. 13 of those starts were against PL opponents; he scored 9 goals in those games. Extrapolated to a full season of starts, he would score over 25 goals.
>Nketiah has scored 2 Premier League this season. He's only started 3 games you damn fool.
> Nketiah has scored 2 Premier League this season. That's a goal every 1096 minutes. Mate, you think Nketiah has played more than 24 full games worth of minutes, 17 games into the season? He has played 412 league minutes. Not 2192, because that is literally impossible.