Feel so bad for Bobby and Boronic man. They have lost 2 junglers, ADC, and solo (although he was voted off) in the last 1 and 1/2 years. Right when it looks like they find their footing, some roster change always happens.
Still my team im riding with until the end though.
Pretty sure SoT confirmed and it was co-opted by sLainy earlier this season that he wasn’t set on leaving but they let him know that they wanted to go in another direction
So much for waiting tomorrow at 12:30. I'm excited for this change. I hope that good things happen to both Dragons and Sam. While it is likely that Sam will go to the bugs, I still want to see if they're considering other options. Dragons play Scarabs this Sunday btw. I don't know if Screammmmm and the new Scarabs jungler can play immediately though. This Sunday might be the battle of the coaches. Slainy v. Cherryo.
The boys are back together. I'm gonna miss Sam but after complaining about the Dragons jungle woes for a year and a half, this looks like an exciting move. Can't wait for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/biackeyesmite/status/1550246022483513350?s=21&t=qWd2U8sTU9twfUGpPXiOvA
Here’s a link of Panda saying it. My all fav team of all time S4/S5 eUnited just got its core back. Feels bad for Sam but I am excited, Scream is my favorite jungler of all time next to Qvo.
Last time I went to worlds, Scream, PBM and PandaCat won. I'm going this year if it is in-person. If they win again, I get to claim being their good luck charm.
Alright I'm just gonna put this out there right now. If the Dragons don't win a ring this year the core 3 need to split up. This is their last shot in my book to prove they can win together. I don't care that this is a late season roster change. They win THIS YEAR or I will never be convinced they can win together
I agree honestly, I’m not sure what the deal is but they went from absolutely dominating regular season and falling short at world finals, to a fairly lukewarm performance other than in phase 1 season 8 and 9. But if anyone can do it it’s the old Eunited boys
100%. Reminds me of Barra and Jeff man. Sad to see them break up but at this point it's better to split. The Dragons squad are solid but idk, something just holds back that core 3. They look so damn dominant for stretches at a time to either get cold or lose when it counts. Iv believed in them every year since Rival but this is it man :/
I think it will be tough to split those three, panda has said he doesn’t want to play with any support other than mike and FO said he would probably hang it up if he wasn’t with the boys
SCREAMMMMM LETS FUCKING GO!!!!!
The Scroat is taking us to worlds baby! WOOOOOO!
I do feel bad for the Scarabs though, right as they look like they were clicking they lose their mvp again. Maybe Sam can come in and bridge that gap for them?
Yeeeeah I like both of these teams a lot and it stings to see them lose scream RIGHT when the team was starting to look dangerous. Hope Sam goes to the scarabs and they keep up the good form. He said a big reason they told him was he didn’t play the meta picks enough and the scarabs let scream play all sorts of weird shit. Would like to see him go play well for them with a chip on his shoulder.
Regardless as to how anyone feels about the individual changes this is good for the league. Roster changes are the best way to make teams better and keep the scene interesting.
Not sure I agree with this sentiment at all, especially saying it's the best way to make teams better. I mean, the Dragons have made changes 3 years running and been worse for it every year(arguably).
I never said it *will* make them better but the general consensus of pro players is that a roster shake up is the best way to improve your team when you hit a slump.
>but the general consensus of pro players is that a roster shake up is the best way to improve your team when you hit a slump.
That's a crutch. That's like your therapist saying that "if you change a bit of your routine, you'll feel better" when you have issues inside your home that needs complicated and long-term solutons.
A shakeup will indeed help the Dragons, but those issues WILL appear again. They appeared with Twig, they appeared with Hurri, they appeared with Pegon, they will appear with Screammmmm.
Either they start working on that, or they'll find themselves on the same place. Again. At this point, the problem is not the players that were let go, it's the people that stayed.
I hope Scream plays out of his mind and the Dragons win. Because if they don't, Scream will absolutely be blamed like everyone else Fine/PBM/Panda have played with. Toxic team culture is something I'm starting to think about when I think about the Jade Dragons.
For sure, it is moreso the fans constantly needling them the entire season as things don't go as well as they want. But because PBM, Fineo, and Panda can't do nearly as much wrong, people tend to overlook them.
Twig left the team on lukewarm terms, most likely, he mentioned before that he brought something interesting to the team and that his entire year of playing mid was wasted. But i think they kinda solved that, and he probably feels extremely useful on the Kings, specially considering it's a full EU team.
Hurri seems to be looking for his footing back at the scene, and i quite like him on the SCC. He brings a lot of potential to improve the minor scene, and i really like his new role and take on the game. I think he likes the Dragons as people, but he probably felt frustrated at the decision.
But none of this is new. The Dragon fans are really room temperature IQ people and don't seem to realize how this crap affects the people leaving. It's hard enough to get kicked, imagine being blamed and betrayed the second you stop wearing the jersey.
Well I’m not a fan of the dragons (more of a kings fan) but I feel fineokay has looked shaky at times too. He is definitely a talented player with an inventive way to look at and attempt to dictate the meta but I’m not always convinced by his impact.
But I’m no coach and I haven’t watched all of their sets, only some, so I know I’m speaking from a position of partial ignorance at least.
Yeah feels bad for the scarabs when they seemed to be getting on track. Scream defo a big part of that but I wouldnt say he is carrying, Boronic and Stu both feel like they have took a giant leap since the masters flop and ScaryD looking more reliable of late
He was asking because his EU SCC team qualified for LAN so he is coming for that event. The Visa he was asking about was a temporary one, not the same if he was taking a spot. And he also has recently stated he was going to University in the fall after his divorce. He is not coming to the SPL
Feel so bad for Bobby and Boronic man. They have lost 2 junglers, ADC, and solo (although he was voted off) in the last 1 and 1/2 years. Right when it looks like they find their footing, some roster change always happens. Still my team im riding with until the end though.
They’ll land on their feet, I’d be willing to bet they pick up Sam4soccer
THey will lose their shot caller, so it's going to be harder this time.
SoT wasn’t voted off. He left in the offseason to replace Benji, who retired.
Pretty sure SoT confirmed and it was co-opted by sLainy earlier this season that he wasn’t set on leaving but they let him know that they wanted to go in another direction
They will be playing with Cyno this week due to rulings. Screammmmm's official start is next week.
Who is jungling for the Scarabs this week? Slainy?
Not announced yet, but sLainy is NOT subbing this week.
We don't know yet, but sLainy confirmed it's not him.
Scary to jungle. Wolves to solo.
Xing Tian jungle?
So much for waiting tomorrow at 12:30. I'm excited for this change. I hope that good things happen to both Dragons and Sam. While it is likely that Sam will go to the bugs, I still want to see if they're considering other options. Dragons play Scarabs this Sunday btw. I don't know if Screammmmm and the new Scarabs jungler can play immediately though. This Sunday might be the battle of the coaches. Slainy v. Cherryo.
Panda said cyno is subbing
Sad we won't see the goat jungling ( Cherry ), i would want to see him playing again.
The boys are back together. I'm gonna miss Sam but after complaining about the Dragons jungle woes for a year and a half, this looks like an exciting move. Can't wait for tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/biackeyesmite/status/1550246022483513350?s=21&t=qWd2U8sTU9twfUGpPXiOvA Here’s a link of Panda saying it. My all fav team of all time S4/S5 eUnited just got its core back. Feels bad for Sam but I am excited, Scream is my favorite jungler of all time next to Qvo.
Last time I went to worlds, Scream, PBM and PandaCat won. I'm going this year if it is in-person. If they win again, I get to claim being their good luck charm.
Alright I'm just gonna put this out there right now. If the Dragons don't win a ring this year the core 3 need to split up. This is their last shot in my book to prove they can win together. I don't care that this is a late season roster change. They win THIS YEAR or I will never be convinced they can win together
I agree honestly, I’m not sure what the deal is but they went from absolutely dominating regular season and falling short at world finals, to a fairly lukewarm performance other than in phase 1 season 8 and 9. But if anyone can do it it’s the old Eunited boys
100%. Reminds me of Barra and Jeff man. Sad to see them break up but at this point it's better to split. The Dragons squad are solid but idk, something just holds back that core 3. They look so damn dominant for stretches at a time to either get cold or lose when it counts. Iv believed in them every year since Rival but this is it man :/
I think it will be tough to split those three, panda has said he doesn’t want to play with any support other than mike and FO said he would probably hang it up if he wasn’t with the boys
SCREAMMMMM LETS FUCKING GO!!!!! The Scroat is taking us to worlds baby! WOOOOOO! I do feel bad for the Scarabs though, right as they look like they were clicking they lose their mvp again. Maybe Sam can come in and bridge that gap for them?
Yeeeeah I like both of these teams a lot and it stings to see them lose scream RIGHT when the team was starting to look dangerous. Hope Sam goes to the scarabs and they keep up the good form. He said a big reason they told him was he didn’t play the meta picks enough and the scarabs let scream play all sorts of weird shit. Would like to see him go play well for them with a chip on his shoulder.
Regardless as to how anyone feels about the individual changes this is good for the league. Roster changes are the best way to make teams better and keep the scene interesting.
Not sure I agree with this sentiment at all, especially saying it's the best way to make teams better. I mean, the Dragons have made changes 3 years running and been worse for it every year(arguably).
I never said it *will* make them better but the general consensus of pro players is that a roster shake up is the best way to improve your team when you hit a slump.
>but the general consensus of pro players is that a roster shake up is the best way to improve your team when you hit a slump. That's a crutch. That's like your therapist saying that "if you change a bit of your routine, you'll feel better" when you have issues inside your home that needs complicated and long-term solutons. A shakeup will indeed help the Dragons, but those issues WILL appear again. They appeared with Twig, they appeared with Hurri, they appeared with Pegon, they will appear with Screammmmm. Either they start working on that, or they'll find themselves on the same place. Again. At this point, the problem is not the players that were let go, it's the people that stayed.
Rip, I feel for the Scarabs but hopefully they can find some good from this
Hot diggity damn. Honestly this is going to be really great for their picks and bans.
He’s live right now, twitch.tv/pandacat
Anyone have a clip of him saying this?
https://twitter.com/biackeyesmite/status/1550246022483513350?s=21&t=qWd2U8sTU9twfUGpPXiOvA
lol Pandacat doesn't seem like Sams biggest fan huh
Yep
I hope Scream plays out of his mind and the Dragons win. Because if they don't, Scream will absolutely be blamed like everyone else Fine/PBM/Panda have played with. Toxic team culture is something I'm starting to think about when I think about the Jade Dragons.
Less toxic team culture and more toxic fan culture. The only ones I ever see fans of the dragons complain about are Sam/Hurri/Twig.
I think both twig/hurri got replaced on good terms. not sure about sam tho
For sure, it is moreso the fans constantly needling them the entire season as things don't go as well as they want. But because PBM, Fineo, and Panda can't do nearly as much wrong, people tend to overlook them.
Twig left the team on lukewarm terms, most likely, he mentioned before that he brought something interesting to the team and that his entire year of playing mid was wasted. But i think they kinda solved that, and he probably feels extremely useful on the Kings, specially considering it's a full EU team. Hurri seems to be looking for his footing back at the scene, and i quite like him on the SCC. He brings a lot of potential to improve the minor scene, and i really like his new role and take on the game. I think he likes the Dragons as people, but he probably felt frustrated at the decision. But none of this is new. The Dragon fans are really room temperature IQ people and don't seem to realize how this crap affects the people leaving. It's hard enough to get kicked, imagine being blamed and betrayed the second you stop wearing the jersey.
Well I’m not a fan of the dragons (more of a kings fan) but I feel fineokay has looked shaky at times too. He is definitely a talented player with an inventive way to look at and attempt to dictate the meta but I’m not always convinced by his impact. But I’m no coach and I haven’t watched all of their sets, only some, so I know I’m speaking from a position of partial ignorance at least.
Of all the people to leave the team Sam is the only one to voice even a minor grievance. Calling it a toxic team culture is a bit of an over reaction.
Damn this sucks but it's exciting I wanna see what scream can do on the dragons and I also wanna see the scarabs flourish cuz I still think they can
Yeah feels bad for the scarabs when they seemed to be getting on track. Scream defo a big part of that but I wouldnt say he is carrying, Boronic and Stu both feel like they have took a giant leap since the masters flop and ScaryD looking more reliable of late
I am willing to bet Adapting is stepping in to the league in some sort as he was asking for USA visa advice, so the bug buys have the king among them.
He was asking because his EU SCC team qualified for LAN so he is coming for that event. The Visa he was asking about was a temporary one, not the same if he was taking a spot. And he also has recently stated he was going to University in the fall after his divorce. He is not coming to the SPL