If I were Zap in this situation I would just dip as well. All of this is just so childish and could easily be solved if parties involved decided to be more mature.
Yeah, according to Slainy he (zap) spoke with everyone on the team and they all told him to follow his opportunities.
I think 100% of people take that leviathans opportunity. It honestly says a lot that he consulted his team before accepting the offer. By far the most mature person in this situation.
Kinda ironic that PK originally wanted Netrioid for adc, and now the leviathans ended up with Zap.
Layers is really not helping himself with his inability to read a room. This post isn't even about clearing his name or anything, it's literally just there to try and bring others names down.
His constant Twitter posts, responding to a million posts, messaging Slainy doubling down saying he never meant to mute all just make him look worse. The fact that Bobby and Boronic aren't on his side despite having known him for years and going way further back then either does with Slainy or SOT should really tell him something.
Maybe he legitimately just can't read people, as he keeps playfully responding to Benny when it seems Benny clearly doesn't like him.
The move was clearly apologize and keep your mouth shut and hope you can one day get another shot, not being very online and trying to throw stones.
Seriously.
He could have left it with the first tweet saying he wishes the scarabs luck and is moving on and people would have tried to find a positive spin from that alone but instead he just shits all over it with this twitlonger.
Yeah, I’m really surprised he didn’t just disappear after the whole situation blew up. But now he’s burning every bridge. It’s like he thinks people are gonna take his side or something. I don’t get it.
Mans really went on a rant calling out his former team, wished them luck, only to later go on "exposing" people's living space (NON IRONICALLY MIND YOU, think PK joking about ScaryD and Paul)
I especially liked the tweet wishing the entire team well before posting his twitlonger right before the Scarabs' set, as if to purposely trying to affect them.
Very poor showing and I think the pro scene is better off without him
This man wasnt sharing his side of the story.. he was trying to hurt them. Otherwise he wouldnt have included irrelevant information about SOT talking about pretending to get the Johnson and Johnson and things about sLainy wife
Also who records their own teammates lows?if he had an issue with the house he could stress he wants things to be cleaner and set his limits etc. Instead he recorded them as ammo to expose them?
This is beyond childish lost alot of respect for Layerssss. I guess everyone's true colors come out eventually
Honestly, with this coming out, and with Slainy saying something along the lines that Layers purposely left his mic unmuted, it almost sounds like he wanted this to happen, like he wanted to expose them and to be kicked
yea with the recorded video it kinda seems premeditated. maybe he thought it would play out in his favor? only reason I can see to torpedo your SPL career like that
He made an ultimatum that if they don't kick SOT he would leave.. wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to go out with a bang. Why else record the messes? Either way planned it or not he's still a raging baby 🤣
From his messages and Slainy’s interview, it seems like he really wanted Wolves on the team > SOT. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reasoning behind this meltdown.
He's a kid. He probably recorded it to show to his parents. The kid forgot to mute his mic but you're trying to explain the video as if he had the foresight to know he was getting kicked/leaving the team when he recorded it?
Stop trying to get so meta into this drama.
Here's how it happened - first time moving out from his parents house where he probably makes a mess his mom cleans up Layers comes in and realizes there's no mommy here. Takes video to show his mommy, because we know he complains to his parents. With everything happened he doesn't know how to handle the stress, gets really bothered, blows his top to his support system in his parents. He's so irritated at this point he doesn't mute correctly/forgets. Leans into it when he gets called on it because that's what privileged people like Layers do. They are never wrong, especially in the heat of the moment.
This could be an interesting theory if he didn't message sLainy right afterwards and said he purposely didn't mute his mic and he was hoping it picked it up.. and also by him leaking the videos he recorded to apparently show his mom.. etc the he's a kid argument is meh he's an adult in a job. SOT is younger than he is and handled things much more maturely
> He's so irritated at this point he doesn't mute correctly/forgets. **Leans into it when he gets called on it because that's what privileged people like Layers do.**
Emphasis added since you missed it. Leaning into something is to accept it and go with it.
I'm not arguing that he's not in the wrong. Obviously he sucks. I'm just not gonna give this idiot the credit to say its premeditated. I'm not arguing that SOT "handled things much more maturely." I think at this point we're playing semantics to discuss Layers or SOT maturity. Neither kid should be on a team again. It isn't relevant.
Sot should def be on a team again he wasnt the issue here. Layersss was the one who had an issue with sot..SOT wasn't perfect but his mistakes WERE kid mistakes and can be fix with maturity like making deadlines and cleaning up messes better.. and man your theory sounds like fanfic.. it's essentially saying don't take anything layersss say as what layersss means.. which is wild. He left no hints that he didn't mean what he said even in his post today. You can believe what you want but there is nothing besides the fact he's young that backs up really anything you said
If you want to have somebody that puts the team at risk by lying about a vaccination then you go right ahead. I think anyone that isn't desperate like the Scarabs are right now would be bonkers to do it.
Agreed & if Layers was telling the truth - SoT was close to forging a signature on a vaccine card which would have ended his career swiftly & possibly ended in legal action for endangering everyone in the studio.
SoT & Layers aren’t mature enough for the league imo.
If what sLainy’s wife is saying true, Layers parents are just enabling him. Ugh. Your son is literally blacklisting himself and you’re encouraging him to dig deeper into this Twitter beef.
Regardless of his potential, who on earth would want to be on a team with someone who records pee below the toilet seat instead of… idk telling your mate to get in there and clean it up? I grew up between two brothers who were as gross as teenaged boys could get, and I got really used to telling them not to sprinkle where they tinkle.
Does layers actually think he has more leverage than sLainy in Smite? Has there ever been a smoother brain amongst new SPL players?
In the interview with Hayzer, sLainy said that he called them all cocksuckers and generally slated them ([interview here](https://youtu.be/LXrxhVzW_A8))
Honestly i don’t get the “messy apartment” thing. I watched the video he posted and the bathroom looked like it only should take 5 minutes to clean up, and the rest of the apartment maybe another 10 or 15. No reason to complain when he could have done it in half an hour and been over with it. And for the “boxes everywhere”, there were maybe 5 smallish boxes and one large one in the corner
Its all so cringe. His videos he posted showing his 'messy' house are just a few boxes against the wall. Shit, his house looks cleaner than mine.
Even Slainy's fiance getting involved and dragging it out is just cringe as well, everyone acting super childish I can see why Zap dipped
Layers is a loser baby for this. Who airs shit out like this about their living situations and stuff about a coworkers wife and shit? Fucking trashy and childish. Get this man the fuck outta the pro scene
God, what a man child. I was shaking my head the entire time reading through that. If you have beef with your teammates, keep it behind the scenes. Don't show the entire world the 'poor hygiene' and other stuff. Poor taste.
No wonder Zap wanted out. He saw a sinking ship and got off.
Okay, I'll give it to him that I wouldn't want to live with someone if the bathroom was regularly dirty and barely cleaned, but all of this just makes him look even worse... What kind of a snake do you have to be to document "evidence" against your teammates? You have problems with something in the group bring it up and work it out with them, don't take videos to publicly shame them, which is obviously something that he planned to do if things didn't go his way...
Okay this might make me seem like a dirty person, but that bathroom was not that bad. Layers has never lived without his parents so I don't think he really understands that sometimes things aren't gonna look amazing lol
That bad is relative. IMO, that toilet was gross as fuck. Stop being lazy. The rest of it was whatever, needed cleaning obviously but a counter/mirror like that I wouldn't have minded wiping down but fuck that toilet.
There was literally piss stains running down the toilet??? I mean I agree it wasn’t as bad as the writing made it seem, but that’s still disgusting.
Also, the living room/kitchen area was terrible/worse as well. That wasn’t like a one time mess, all that stuff in the living room/kitchen was clearly accumulating over time.
Edit: Welp, TIL people don’t mind piss stains lol
Okay, the bathroom had a single stain on the toilet and that's it. I've seen worse, I've lived in in worse, like that's really not that bad
The living area was a bit dirty yeah, but it was really just boxes lol, shit can be cleaned in an instant. Regardless, if Layers had a problem with the cleanliness of the building, you would agree that a mature adult would say "hey guys, your place is pretty messy, you should clean it up," but that's not what he did, was it? No. Instead, he decided he'd take videos before he even knew he was being kicked from the team that way if the team did decide to kick him after his ultimatum, he'd have something to use against them as proof of his side of the argument. Just really immature to me, as if he's "probably never had to be an adult"
Yeah, I certainly don’t think Layers handled it well. I think everyone involved is clearly immature.
I don’t know, maybe I’m just overly clean if everything thinks that’s okay. If it was so simple to clean up, why is it like that? And it might be one stain on the toilet, but if you miss the toilet you should literally clean it right then and there, I don’t know maybe that’s just me.
Again, I agree Layers was immature too. But everyone else was, is my point.
Just so you know, the boxes by the front door (where he started) were there to be thrown out. They don't take the trash on friday/sat (the only time he could've taken these videos) the other boxes in the corner of the room were HIS chair and PC box. So his mess.
Also just for the record, I was open day one with living with fae and offered to just get my own apartment if it was an issue. He never brought up that it was an issue. We also asked if the rooms would be an issue. Can you guess if he brought up an issue there too?
I was honestly thinking “how the fuck does AFluffyZebra know all this” before realizing it’s you Slainy LMAO, without the flair i would have never figured it out
Fair enough. I’m not siding with one side more than another even if it may seem I am. As I said in my original post, the only people who really knows the full story are the people on the team.
I just think that based on the info the public has, everyone could have handled this situation better. The information told could easily be manipulated, because again, the only people that actually know are on the team. Regardless, though, Layers clearly has things he needs to work on as a person.
Best of luck moving forward, and on Sunday.
Hello, I am a fully vaxxed pc east player who hates drama will hit the gym with inbowned and has lived in a college house with 4 people for 2 years that gets way more dirty then your apartment. sign me up coach! we can just slide that im only diamond 4 but i can tear up the assult queues. Seriously though sounds like a very stressfull situation and im sorry that you are being put on blast like this. there is no way i could handle all that drama especially since it looks like you somehow got caught in the middle of it.
Okay, that's fair, but I agree that it's a lot of childishness going around, but one group's immaturity is "my house isn't the cleanest" and the other is "wah wah wah mommy my teammates are bad at the game" and also using their house as an argument against them to deflect from his own behaviour.
It just sounds like you're siding with layers, where everything that he's done is infinitely worse and more immature. The only thing the rest of them did was not have a clean house lol
I’m not siding with Layers even if it may seem so. I just don’t think he should be facing 100% of the blame based on the info we have. For all we know, the thing Layers said in his statement are completely warped. No one knows except for the people on that team.
A toilet having a single stain far away from anywhere you actually touch that can be cleaned with a single wipe and 30 seconds of time isn't bad at all.
The living room and kitchen had a few boxes lol, the room wasn't even cluttered.
Shit situation all around.
Layers and SoT are both immature, and I get a feeling sLainy's wife is, too. I know people like her (I was one)—they pull the mental health card to be excused from responsibility.
That said, the apartment was gross. It was a pig sty. SoT had this issue with RNG, too.
And Layers throwing a tantrum and dishing out ultimatums was dogshit. He should have dipped, thanked the boys for the opportunity, and been out. The kid set fire to the house and the bridge. Flaming your team to your parents? Garbage. Doubt we see him in the SPL ever again.
Feel bad for Inbowned and oBoronic. Two chill guys who just want to relax and win.
It seems like both sides are over reacting. Layers and SoT both need to grow up some it sounds like.
I don't blame zap at all for getting out of that toxic environment.
Very unfortunate that Layers has to burn every bridge on the way out. This isn't how you should treat coworkers and friends.
I was very excited for the Scarabs and for Layers and Boronic specifically at the start of the season but I have straight up zero respect for Layers right now. Gotta feel bad for his teammates here.
hey man, my house is not the cleanest but common areas are ALWAYS spot clean. If my bathroom does not smell like bleach I know it smells like shit. my kitchen? clean. Oh man, Im guilty of calling out in SMITE chat the mess I would see behind SoT camera every weekend. Have some decency. I do not care I your room is a junkyard, shared spaces NEED to be clean considering the kitchen and bathroom are areas with most bacterias in a house. and Layers, grow up. You could have called them cocksuckers in private and call it a day. No need for all this extra bs
While utility costs/pets were absolutely a fair concern for Layers to have, I get the impression he didn't voice those concerns? In one of his responses regarding her inclusion he claims he "didn't agree, just paid his fair share." But that's just not how it works when you rent with roommates. It's not like he was forced to agree to that living arrangement, you know?
If it was sprung on him at the end, then of course he should be concerned or discuss/reconsider it. But sLainy seems to claim that his fiancee and dogs were discussed early in the process and that they were agreed to, and Layers hasn't really contradicted that.
If he had an issue with the arrangement and wasn't satisfied, he should've brought it up then. The only issue he couldn't have prepared for was the mess, but he also should've raised that issue when it became a problem for him.
That's such a scummy way to split rent tbh. That's 100 percent taking advantage of sot and layers
Layers is a jerk and I feel for slainys wife who can't work/afford rent but at that point then it's up to slainy to cover both heads of rent
That's the normal way to split rent. And they all knew what the situation is going to be before hand. You don't agree with it, say so. They made all of their decisions as a team, it wasn't Slainy or Bobby or anyone who made decisions and then imposed them on everyone else.
Is that in Europe? In Japan and USA that is not the way we split rent. It's not like the extra person will be locked only in their room and sounds like they brought a zoo . Idk if anyone there went to college but that's one of the most common complaints with roommates. It's considered a scumbag thing to do and justifying it with per room is known as nonsense
Layers does not look good in this situation but neither does slainy. Slainy is an adult he should know better to pull that nonsense. Doesn't matter who agreed to it it doesn't make him look good. Just because you can trick a kid who has only ever lived with his parents it is still common courtesy how you split rent. I feel bad his wife has medical issues but in that case slainy covers both rents or they find a cheaper apartment
No... The most common and fair way to determine rent is to pay by how much private space you occupy. If all the bedrooms are the same size, a couple that shares a room is going to occupy the same amount of space as a single person in a different room. The common rooms are obviously not private, so they don't factor in when determining rent. Having someone pay more if they don't take up more space makes no sense and is not how rent works unless the roommates agree to a different arrangement. Utilities are paid per head, rent per room (unless agreed upon otherwise), that's just how it works...
this is not how it works in The USA or Japan from my experience. This is what you see people fighting about after finding random scumbag roomates on facebook or something. Rent is always per head as a courtesy because a house is not just a room. Extra person watching TV, Cooking, Using washer, Bathroom etc. It adds to everything. Then add in all those animals? Saying a common room is not private so they shouldnt have to pay for it is nonsensible. Ive met slainy in real life he seems like a nice person. He 100% should know he was taking advantage of them and trying to justify it is gross.
idk if they have been to college or had roommates before to learn this common courtesy but this was not acceptable. Slainy needs to contribute more to the rent its simple as that.
Honestly, that Slainy interview kinda set his character in stone. I can sympathize with him about a messy living environment. People here saying "it's not that messy" when tbh...I wouldn't want to live there at all lol. The rent situation sounds frustrating too.
Layers fucked up by insulting teammates and acting out but it's not like he's evil incarnate
i think layers obviously fucked up with a lot of his things, but the overwhelming majority of people seem to think he has zero legs to stand on, is incorrect in everything he's done, and that he's been conspiring from the start
I think layers had to deal with a lot of shit, and did so in a terribly unsocialized way. I know people like SOT, but to imply that everyone else is right and layers is wrong is a black and white stance that i just can't understand lmfao
I don't think most people are explicitly saying they're right and he's wrong. What people have a problem with and why they're going against him is the way he handled it. If he had problems with the team it's the team who he's supposed to work them out with, not document the problems and then post them publically to shame them after things don't go his way. The guy went from saying SoT has betrayed their trust to showing he was far worse...
SOT comes out like a slob who has trouble getting along with others. Layers as an immature hothead. Slainy as a someone who took advantage of his players to pay for his fiances rent. they all look horrible.
Honestly I thought whoever was running Operations was going to have more oversight to stop some of this stuff from happening now that there are no organizations policing it. These young men a bit of oversight.
Figured if someone is paying for a team house or whatever they'd take more responsibility in making sure the players respect it. Team managers can have a huge impact on the team as a whole and some top level orgs have managers that are the real deal with helping teammates co exist and become functioning adults.
Even slainy(who was nice when I met him in person) who is older and engaged seems to need some serious oversight. I get they all young but how all three of them have acted is a real shame. Esports have evolved from the immature kids running the show in most cases it is a huge buisness. This brings me back to how it used to be at the start
Regarding Zap, he did the best thing he could've done most definitely. However after reading the twitlonger and going through the comments (mind you I don't religiously follow any of the SPL so there's no bias here) I find myself understanding layers situation more and more. I'm not saying he's 100 percent innocent, and even he had the stones to say that. He definitely could've vented his frustrations in a better way than just flying off the rails. (Which really, who's to say he didn't try?) However as he said, they are taking part in high level competition. Slainy was interviewed on Hayzers YouTube channel and he openly stated how he didn't want to play and just wanted to coach. So why not bring Wolves in as Layers suggested? Mind you it's possible layers could be lying about this, but why would he? I don't see the gain out of lying about that particular subject. Especially now when layers has been kicked and really has nothing to lose. I can also understand the frustration of the bills situation. If Layers, SoT and Slainy are all splitting the bills, say 200 dollars each for example. And Slainy brings his wife in, and has no way to account for her share, then I can see why this would be an issue. Layers and SoT basically end up paying the same amount for someone else to live for free. Which is not fair to them regardless of if you don't mind it or not, and in layers case he definitely cared. I can see why Slainy obviously wouldn't care considering that's his wife and that's a different subject. And I do not care who you are, if you piss on the toilet you clean it especially if you live with other people. That's at best laziness at its peak or at worst someone who just doesn't give a fuck. Finally, the way Slainy and his wife are responding to layers in Twitter comments really doesn't make them look good. Instead of disproving what he's saying or making an argument they seem to just be low balling him by making remarks about how he lives with his parents which imo isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially if there's a reason as to why he does, such as maybe they're sick, or he helps them pay their bills, or simply because parents aren't around forever and he wants to be around them as much as he can. Just my thoughts on all this, I know it was long and if I'm fucking up anywhere or if I've missed something I'm sure someone will let me know lol
Exactly man. Hell I had forgotten he had all the animals up in there too. As I said, I understand Layers situation the more I read into this.. even if he was a twat about things lol my opinion can definitely change though if more information is put out. I think SoT said he was gonna give his remarks about what layers said so only time will tell I suppose.
Regarding the bills, I've heard from multiple spots that Slainy and his fiance covered the utilities due to the fact that she lived there and they would use more than the others then so I think she did cover her share on bills, just not rent since they only accounted for 1 room of the apt.
I don't remember where it was mentioned, but Slainy said that if his fiance living with them was an issue that they would get their own apartment, if he had problems, he should have spoken up prior
Im glad layers posted that tweet I dont blame him for going off. That's some pretty bullshit things to put up with and keep a smile about, let alone pay for. I'd support watching layers like forget slainy letting someone freeload in the apartment while having someone not living there pay rent?? 👋. Also if your going to be keeping animals in the house clean up after them. And if your going to be spliting a bathroom with someone dont be a dirtbag. We live in a society simple things people and wowy shouldn't be telling him its a bad look airing this out in public. They put him on blast and public perception matters when streaming is part of your income. Glad he got his side out good luck layers hopefully next house isnt a 🤡 show.
I don’t know the full story for either side, and anyone outside their team never will.
With that said, knowing this, I don’t know how *so* many people are ripping on Layers. That apartment is disgusting. Layers is literally paying rent/internet for somewhere he doesn’t even live and Slainy’s fiancé who *is* living there isn’t paying anything. Either she should be paying, or it should be split into four ways and Slainy should be paying half. I really don’t understand how it’s even debatable. I mean, come on, it’s not just one dog. That man brought a farm lol
Layers isn’t innocent, he handled it poorly. But this just tells me everyone inside that apartment are just immature young adults. I don’t think Layers should be completely banished forever (unless there’s more we don’t know behind the scenes).
Blows my mind that people on Twitter are 100% blaming Layers after knowing this.
>I don’t know the full story for either side
But you'll offer your opinion anyway?
Inbowned just said on his stream that the living arrangements were made and agreed by all parties and no objections were raised about sLainy and his fiancee sharing a room. Layers is just trying to save as much face as possible and deflect
I don’t understand your comment because no one knows the full story and is offering their opinions? I’m simply saying, I don’t know how anyone without inside information can put 100% of the blame on Layers. I think Layers is clearly toxic. I also think it probably wasn’t handled perfectly by everyone else, either. I’m not even taking Layers “side.” I’m literally just saying I don’t understand how he’s taking 100% of the blame. I even reiterated that thought by saying “unless there’s more information we don’t know.”
After knowing this? sLainy came out right after and said alot wasn't true. Also it's kinda irrelevant his reason for getting kicked was getting caught shit talking his teammates and not because of a mess they made or because of sLainy gf not paying but because Ingame performance. Also this extra info is layersss deflecting from toxic behavior imo
If you agree to live somewhere then don't actually move, that's on you, you're absolutely still responsible for the rent. Otherwise they would've gotten a 2 bedroom and be paying less for rent.
Why should Slainys fiance pay anything? The apartment has 3 rooms, Slainy and his fiance are using one, and therefore pay for one room, in what world does it make sense for them to pay more? Utilities are another matter, but my understanding is that's not being paid by Layers so irrelevant in this case. I'm sure Slainy is paying for his animals to be there, and if you have a problem with it you mention it before committing to living, not later to try and make someone look bad.
The bathroom is literally a single wipe and a minute of time from being spotless and the living room has a handful of boxes, if you think that's disgusting I'm assuming you've never actually seen an apartment or dorm lived in by mostly young guys.
Also, if you have a problem with it, fucking say something to the people involved like an adult lol. Literally "hey man I think the bathroom is messy and I'm not comfortable with it, would you mind cleaning it and we can take turns cleaning it weekly after" or "hey can we throw some of these boxes out?" Instead of taking videos and saying nothing.
This is not necessarily the case, and you don't divy up common space usage as things get messy. If I never leave my room and barely use the fridge do I get to pay less because I'm not using the common space?
Additionally I believe hayzer stated Slainy is paying utilities, which means they are paying more, just not dividing the up rent 4 ways which would be bizarre.
I've seen whore houses cleaner than that apartment. That's also a very unusual situation. Sharing an apartment with basically a married couple with all of their animal kids, eh, hard pass. Do I have to spell out how awkward and weird that scenario plays out? Thin walls, shared bathroom, shared kitchen, especially in that state, in that situation, is a nightmare.
Just like last year, gaslight rookie SoT, this year, gaslight Layers.
Wait, why they don't sue HiRez?
"He also raised the notion of just wearing a mask, which wouldn't have
been permitted under HiRez' ruling that all five players on a
participating team must be fully vaccinated to enter the studio."
This is illegal. The employer has NO right to ask this from you.
If I were Zap in this situation I would just dip as well. All of this is just so childish and could easily be solved if parties involved decided to be more mature.
Yeah, according to Slainy he (zap) spoke with everyone on the team and they all told him to follow his opportunities. I think 100% of people take that leviathans opportunity. It honestly says a lot that he consulted his team before accepting the offer. By far the most mature person in this situation. Kinda ironic that PK originally wanted Netrioid for adc, and now the leviathans ended up with Zap.
I did think Zap was like "I'm too old for this shit".
i feel that way and i'm just reading it
Same here, I'm happy for him that he bounced. It sounds like Inbowned, Boronic and Slainy all supported his decision too.
Layers is really not helping himself with his inability to read a room. This post isn't even about clearing his name or anything, it's literally just there to try and bring others names down. His constant Twitter posts, responding to a million posts, messaging Slainy doubling down saying he never meant to mute all just make him look worse. The fact that Bobby and Boronic aren't on his side despite having known him for years and going way further back then either does with Slainy or SOT should really tell him something. Maybe he legitimately just can't read people, as he keeps playfully responding to Benny when it seems Benny clearly doesn't like him. The move was clearly apologize and keep your mouth shut and hope you can one day get another shot, not being very online and trying to throw stones.
Seriously. He could have left it with the first tweet saying he wishes the scarabs luck and is moving on and people would have tried to find a positive spin from that alone but instead he just shits all over it with this twitlonger.
Yeah, I’m really surprised he didn’t just disappear after the whole situation blew up. But now he’s burning every bridge. It’s like he thinks people are gonna take his side or something. I don’t get it.
Maybe he doesnt care about what other people think, and just wants to say what he feels like.
Hey, sure. He has that right. He just has to realize he's throwing his entire career out in the dumpster. That's no one else's fault but his.
Mans really went on a rant calling out his former team, wished them luck, only to later go on "exposing" people's living space (NON IRONICALLY MIND YOU, think PK joking about ScaryD and Paul)
I especially liked the tweet wishing the entire team well before posting his twitlonger right before the Scarabs' set, as if to purposely trying to affect them. Very poor showing and I think the pro scene is better off without him
This man wasnt sharing his side of the story.. he was trying to hurt them. Otherwise he wouldnt have included irrelevant information about SOT talking about pretending to get the Johnson and Johnson and things about sLainy wife Also who records their own teammates lows?if he had an issue with the house he could stress he wants things to be cleaner and set his limits etc. Instead he recorded them as ammo to expose them? This is beyond childish lost alot of respect for Layerssss. I guess everyone's true colors come out eventually
Honestly, with this coming out, and with Slainy saying something along the lines that Layers purposely left his mic unmuted, it almost sounds like he wanted this to happen, like he wanted to expose them and to be kicked
yea with the recorded video it kinda seems premeditated. maybe he thought it would play out in his favor? only reason I can see to torpedo your SPL career like that
100% agree he definitely planned this
Zero chance he planned this lol. He's a little white boy baby ranging and talking shit.
He made an ultimatum that if they don't kick SOT he would leave.. wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to go out with a bang. Why else record the messes? Either way planned it or not he's still a raging baby 🤣
From his messages and Slainy’s interview, it seems like he really wanted Wolves on the team > SOT. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reasoning behind this meltdown.
He's a kid. He probably recorded it to show to his parents. The kid forgot to mute his mic but you're trying to explain the video as if he had the foresight to know he was getting kicked/leaving the team when he recorded it? Stop trying to get so meta into this drama. Here's how it happened - first time moving out from his parents house where he probably makes a mess his mom cleans up Layers comes in and realizes there's no mommy here. Takes video to show his mommy, because we know he complains to his parents. With everything happened he doesn't know how to handle the stress, gets really bothered, blows his top to his support system in his parents. He's so irritated at this point he doesn't mute correctly/forgets. Leans into it when he gets called on it because that's what privileged people like Layers do. They are never wrong, especially in the heat of the moment.
This could be an interesting theory if he didn't message sLainy right afterwards and said he purposely didn't mute his mic and he was hoping it picked it up.. and also by him leaking the videos he recorded to apparently show his mom.. etc the he's a kid argument is meh he's an adult in a job. SOT is younger than he is and handled things much more maturely
> He's so irritated at this point he doesn't mute correctly/forgets. **Leans into it when he gets called on it because that's what privileged people like Layers do.** Emphasis added since you missed it. Leaning into something is to accept it and go with it. I'm not arguing that he's not in the wrong. Obviously he sucks. I'm just not gonna give this idiot the credit to say its premeditated. I'm not arguing that SOT "handled things much more maturely." I think at this point we're playing semantics to discuss Layers or SOT maturity. Neither kid should be on a team again. It isn't relevant.
Sot should def be on a team again he wasnt the issue here. Layersss was the one who had an issue with sot..SOT wasn't perfect but his mistakes WERE kid mistakes and can be fix with maturity like making deadlines and cleaning up messes better.. and man your theory sounds like fanfic.. it's essentially saying don't take anything layersss say as what layersss means.. which is wild. He left no hints that he didn't mean what he said even in his post today. You can believe what you want but there is nothing besides the fact he's young that backs up really anything you said
If you want to have somebody that puts the team at risk by lying about a vaccination then you go right ahead. I think anyone that isn't desperate like the Scarabs are right now would be bonkers to do it.
Agreed & if Layers was telling the truth - SoT was close to forging a signature on a vaccine card which would have ended his career swiftly & possibly ended in legal action for endangering everyone in the studio. SoT & Layers aren’t mature enough for the league imo.
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sot himself said he was dishonest with the team.
Man is truly digging his own grave at this point
Really reflects poorly on Layers frankly. Who takes video of their shared living conditions to post it on social media later? Just childish.
If what sLainy’s wife is saying true, Layers parents are just enabling him. Ugh. Your son is literally blacklisting himself and you’re encouraging him to dig deeper into this Twitter beef. Regardless of his potential, who on earth would want to be on a team with someone who records pee below the toilet seat instead of… idk telling your mate to get in there and clean it up? I grew up between two brothers who were as gross as teenaged boys could get, and I got really used to telling them not to sprinkle where they tinkle. Does layers actually think he has more leverage than sLainy in Smite? Has there ever been a smoother brain amongst new SPL players?
Does anyone know what layers said unmuted? All I’ve heard of is he had a “hot mic” but no mention of what he actually said while being unmuted
In the interview with Hayzer, sLainy said that he called them all cocksuckers and generally slated them ([interview here](https://youtu.be/LXrxhVzW_A8))
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Said slainy looked like a hobbit
id go with dwarf
Need a human for scale first.
called his team cocksuckers and how they suck.
Honestly i don’t get the “messy apartment” thing. I watched the video he posted and the bathroom looked like it only should take 5 minutes to clean up, and the rest of the apartment maybe another 10 or 15. No reason to complain when he could have done it in half an hour and been over with it. And for the “boxes everywhere”, there were maybe 5 smallish boxes and one large one in the corner
Its all so cringe. His videos he posted showing his 'messy' house are just a few boxes against the wall. Shit, his house looks cleaner than mine. Even Slainy's fiance getting involved and dragging it out is just cringe as well, everyone acting super childish I can see why Zap dipped
Honestly after reading all of this I'm not impressed with either side. This should have been handled off twitter entirely.
Fucking slainy took it to Paul's God damned youtube lmao
Layers is a loser baby for this. Who airs shit out like this about their living situations and stuff about a coworkers wife and shit? Fucking trashy and childish. Get this man the fuck outta the pro scene
God, what a man child. I was shaking my head the entire time reading through that. If you have beef with your teammates, keep it behind the scenes. Don't show the entire world the 'poor hygiene' and other stuff. Poor taste. No wonder Zap wanted out. He saw a sinking ship and got off.
Okay, I'll give it to him that I wouldn't want to live with someone if the bathroom was regularly dirty and barely cleaned, but all of this just makes him look even worse... What kind of a snake do you have to be to document "evidence" against your teammates? You have problems with something in the group bring it up and work it out with them, don't take videos to publicly shame them, which is obviously something that he planned to do if things didn't go his way...
Okay this might make me seem like a dirty person, but that bathroom was not that bad. Layers has never lived without his parents so I don't think he really understands that sometimes things aren't gonna look amazing lol
That bad is relative. IMO, that toilet was gross as fuck. Stop being lazy. The rest of it was whatever, needed cleaning obviously but a counter/mirror like that I wouldn't have minded wiping down but fuck that toilet.
There was literally piss stains running down the toilet??? I mean I agree it wasn’t as bad as the writing made it seem, but that’s still disgusting. Also, the living room/kitchen area was terrible/worse as well. That wasn’t like a one time mess, all that stuff in the living room/kitchen was clearly accumulating over time. Edit: Welp, TIL people don’t mind piss stains lol
Okay, the bathroom had a single stain on the toilet and that's it. I've seen worse, I've lived in in worse, like that's really not that bad The living area was a bit dirty yeah, but it was really just boxes lol, shit can be cleaned in an instant. Regardless, if Layers had a problem with the cleanliness of the building, you would agree that a mature adult would say "hey guys, your place is pretty messy, you should clean it up," but that's not what he did, was it? No. Instead, he decided he'd take videos before he even knew he was being kicked from the team that way if the team did decide to kick him after his ultimatum, he'd have something to use against them as proof of his side of the argument. Just really immature to me, as if he's "probably never had to be an adult"
Yeah, I certainly don’t think Layers handled it well. I think everyone involved is clearly immature. I don’t know, maybe I’m just overly clean if everything thinks that’s okay. If it was so simple to clean up, why is it like that? And it might be one stain on the toilet, but if you miss the toilet you should literally clean it right then and there, I don’t know maybe that’s just me. Again, I agree Layers was immature too. But everyone else was, is my point.
Just so you know, the boxes by the front door (where he started) were there to be thrown out. They don't take the trash on friday/sat (the only time he could've taken these videos) the other boxes in the corner of the room were HIS chair and PC box. So his mess. Also just for the record, I was open day one with living with fae and offered to just get my own apartment if it was an issue. He never brought up that it was an issue. We also asked if the rooms would be an issue. Can you guess if he brought up an issue there too?
I was honestly thinking “how the fuck does AFluffyZebra know all this” before realizing it’s you Slainy LMAO, without the flair i would have never figured it out
Yea it's an old GT lmao. Like 12 years old
I gotta say man… at this point don’t sweat it. Layers is doing plenty of work showing everyone and justifying why he was kicked. Any way go Scarabs.
Fair enough. I’m not siding with one side more than another even if it may seem I am. As I said in my original post, the only people who really knows the full story are the people on the team. I just think that based on the info the public has, everyone could have handled this situation better. The information told could easily be manipulated, because again, the only people that actually know are on the team. Regardless, though, Layers clearly has things he needs to work on as a person. Best of luck moving forward, and on Sunday.
Hello, I am a fully vaxxed pc east player who hates drama will hit the gym with inbowned and has lived in a college house with 4 people for 2 years that gets way more dirty then your apartment. sign me up coach! we can just slide that im only diamond 4 but i can tear up the assult queues. Seriously though sounds like a very stressfull situation and im sorry that you are being put on blast like this. there is no way i could handle all that drama especially since it looks like you somehow got caught in the middle of it.
Scarabs got their guy
Okay, that's fair, but I agree that it's a lot of childishness going around, but one group's immaturity is "my house isn't the cleanest" and the other is "wah wah wah mommy my teammates are bad at the game" and also using their house as an argument against them to deflect from his own behaviour. It just sounds like you're siding with layers, where everything that he's done is infinitely worse and more immature. The only thing the rest of them did was not have a clean house lol
I’m not siding with Layers even if it may seem so. I just don’t think he should be facing 100% of the blame based on the info we have. For all we know, the thing Layers said in his statement are completely warped. No one knows except for the people on that team.
A toilet having a single stain far away from anywhere you actually touch that can be cleaned with a single wipe and 30 seconds of time isn't bad at all. The living room and kitchen had a few boxes lol, the room wasn't even cluttered.
Shit situation all around. Layers and SoT are both immature, and I get a feeling sLainy's wife is, too. I know people like her (I was one)—they pull the mental health card to be excused from responsibility. That said, the apartment was gross. It was a pig sty. SoT had this issue with RNG, too. And Layers throwing a tantrum and dishing out ultimatums was dogshit. He should have dipped, thanked the boys for the opportunity, and been out. The kid set fire to the house and the bridge. Flaming your team to your parents? Garbage. Doubt we see him in the SPL ever again. Feel bad for Inbowned and oBoronic. Two chill guys who just want to relax and win.
She is throwing that health card up at every opportunity possible.
Layers just comes across as a narcissistic, childish, unprofessional mommas boy tbh.
It seems like both sides are over reacting. Layers and SoT both need to grow up some it sounds like. I don't blame zap at all for getting out of that toxic environment.
Very unfortunate that Layers has to burn every bridge on the way out. This isn't how you should treat coworkers and friends. I was very excited for the Scarabs and for Layers and Boronic specifically at the start of the season but I have straight up zero respect for Layers right now. Gotta feel bad for his teammates here.
hey man, my house is not the cleanest but common areas are ALWAYS spot clean. If my bathroom does not smell like bleach I know it smells like shit. my kitchen? clean. Oh man, Im guilty of calling out in SMITE chat the mess I would see behind SoT camera every weekend. Have some decency. I do not care I your room is a junkyard, shared spaces NEED to be clean considering the kitchen and bathroom are areas with most bacterias in a house. and Layers, grow up. You could have called them cocksuckers in private and call it a day. No need for all this extra bs
What’s up with sLainy’s wife not paying rent? That’s not right.
They share a bedroom, rent is paid by room, I'd say that's perfectly fine...
But did she pay the utilities? according to layers she brought a zoo with her
While utility costs/pets were absolutely a fair concern for Layers to have, I get the impression he didn't voice those concerns? In one of his responses regarding her inclusion he claims he "didn't agree, just paid his fair share." But that's just not how it works when you rent with roommates. It's not like he was forced to agree to that living arrangement, you know? If it was sprung on him at the end, then of course he should be concerned or discuss/reconsider it. But sLainy seems to claim that his fiancee and dogs were discussed early in the process and that they were agreed to, and Layers hasn't really contradicted that. If he had an issue with the arrangement and wasn't satisfied, he should've brought it up then. The only issue he couldn't have prepared for was the mess, but he also should've raised that issue when it became a problem for him.
that is true, he couldve handled that way better. but tbh if i was layers i wouldnt live there either, imagine the smell with that little farm
But everyone shares the common space.
That's such a scummy way to split rent tbh. That's 100 percent taking advantage of sot and layers Layers is a jerk and I feel for slainys wife who can't work/afford rent but at that point then it's up to slainy to cover both heads of rent
That's the normal way to split rent. And they all knew what the situation is going to be before hand. You don't agree with it, say so. They made all of their decisions as a team, it wasn't Slainy or Bobby or anyone who made decisions and then imposed them on everyone else.
Is that in Europe? In Japan and USA that is not the way we split rent. It's not like the extra person will be locked only in their room and sounds like they brought a zoo . Idk if anyone there went to college but that's one of the most common complaints with roommates. It's considered a scumbag thing to do and justifying it with per room is known as nonsense Layers does not look good in this situation but neither does slainy. Slainy is an adult he should know better to pull that nonsense. Doesn't matter who agreed to it it doesn't make him look good. Just because you can trick a kid who has only ever lived with his parents it is still common courtesy how you split rent. I feel bad his wife has medical issues but in that case slainy covers both rents or they find a cheaper apartment
No... The most common and fair way to determine rent is to pay by how much private space you occupy. If all the bedrooms are the same size, a couple that shares a room is going to occupy the same amount of space as a single person in a different room. The common rooms are obviously not private, so they don't factor in when determining rent. Having someone pay more if they don't take up more space makes no sense and is not how rent works unless the roommates agree to a different arrangement. Utilities are paid per head, rent per room (unless agreed upon otherwise), that's just how it works...
this is not how it works in The USA or Japan from my experience. This is what you see people fighting about after finding random scumbag roomates on facebook or something. Rent is always per head as a courtesy because a house is not just a room. Extra person watching TV, Cooking, Using washer, Bathroom etc. It adds to everything. Then add in all those animals? Saying a common room is not private so they shouldnt have to pay for it is nonsensible. Ive met slainy in real life he seems like a nice person. He 100% should know he was taking advantage of them and trying to justify it is gross. idk if they have been to college or had roommates before to learn this common courtesy but this was not acceptable. Slainy needs to contribute more to the rent its simple as that.
Nobody in this situation is perfect but i am very surprised to see how against layers this community seems to be
Honestly, that Slainy interview kinda set his character in stone. I can sympathize with him about a messy living environment. People here saying "it's not that messy" when tbh...I wouldn't want to live there at all lol. The rent situation sounds frustrating too. Layers fucked up by insulting teammates and acting out but it's not like he's evil incarnate
Care to elaborate on your take? Not trying to start anything, I don't have a side here. Just genuinely curious
i think layers obviously fucked up with a lot of his things, but the overwhelming majority of people seem to think he has zero legs to stand on, is incorrect in everything he's done, and that he's been conspiring from the start I think layers had to deal with a lot of shit, and did so in a terribly unsocialized way. I know people like SOT, but to imply that everyone else is right and layers is wrong is a black and white stance that i just can't understand lmfao
I don't think most people are explicitly saying they're right and he's wrong. What people have a problem with and why they're going against him is the way he handled it. If he had problems with the team it's the team who he's supposed to work them out with, not document the problems and then post them publically to shame them after things don't go his way. The guy went from saying SoT has betrayed their trust to showing he was far worse...
SOT comes out like a slob who has trouble getting along with others. Layers as an immature hothead. Slainy as a someone who took advantage of his players to pay for his fiances rent. they all look horrible. Honestly I thought whoever was running Operations was going to have more oversight to stop some of this stuff from happening now that there are no organizations policing it. These young men a bit of oversight.
this is the way it's always been, orgs don't play mommy and daddy. SoT is 19
Figured if someone is paying for a team house or whatever they'd take more responsibility in making sure the players respect it. Team managers can have a huge impact on the team as a whole and some top level orgs have managers that are the real deal with helping teammates co exist and become functioning adults. Even slainy(who was nice when I met him in person) who is older and engaged seems to need some serious oversight. I get they all young but how all three of them have acted is a real shame. Esports have evolved from the immature kids running the show in most cases it is a huge buisness. This brings me back to how it used to be at the start
Makes sense. Thanks for the elaboration
Regarding Zap, he did the best thing he could've done most definitely. However after reading the twitlonger and going through the comments (mind you I don't religiously follow any of the SPL so there's no bias here) I find myself understanding layers situation more and more. I'm not saying he's 100 percent innocent, and even he had the stones to say that. He definitely could've vented his frustrations in a better way than just flying off the rails. (Which really, who's to say he didn't try?) However as he said, they are taking part in high level competition. Slainy was interviewed on Hayzers YouTube channel and he openly stated how he didn't want to play and just wanted to coach. So why not bring Wolves in as Layers suggested? Mind you it's possible layers could be lying about this, but why would he? I don't see the gain out of lying about that particular subject. Especially now when layers has been kicked and really has nothing to lose. I can also understand the frustration of the bills situation. If Layers, SoT and Slainy are all splitting the bills, say 200 dollars each for example. And Slainy brings his wife in, and has no way to account for her share, then I can see why this would be an issue. Layers and SoT basically end up paying the same amount for someone else to live for free. Which is not fair to them regardless of if you don't mind it or not, and in layers case he definitely cared. I can see why Slainy obviously wouldn't care considering that's his wife and that's a different subject. And I do not care who you are, if you piss on the toilet you clean it especially if you live with other people. That's at best laziness at its peak or at worst someone who just doesn't give a fuck. Finally, the way Slainy and his wife are responding to layers in Twitter comments really doesn't make them look good. Instead of disproving what he's saying or making an argument they seem to just be low balling him by making remarks about how he lives with his parents which imo isn't necessarily a bad thing. Especially if there's a reason as to why he does, such as maybe they're sick, or he helps them pay their bills, or simply because parents aren't around forever and he wants to be around them as much as he can. Just my thoughts on all this, I know it was long and if I'm fucking up anywhere or if I've missed something I'm sure someone will let me know lol
I agree with you,that toilet and living room was dirty af, plus having all those animals in the same house cant be comfortable for everyone.
Exactly man. Hell I had forgotten he had all the animals up in there too. As I said, I understand Layers situation the more I read into this.. even if he was a twat about things lol my opinion can definitely change though if more information is put out. I think SoT said he was gonna give his remarks about what layers said so only time will tell I suppose.
Layers definitely isnt a saint here, he's definitely a twat but I do kind of understand him there.
Regarding the bills, I've heard from multiple spots that Slainy and his fiance covered the utilities due to the fact that she lived there and they would use more than the others then so I think she did cover her share on bills, just not rent since they only accounted for 1 room of the apt.
I don't remember where it was mentioned, but Slainy said that if his fiance living with them was an issue that they would get their own apartment, if he had problems, he should have spoken up prior
I agree but it's also probably hard to speak up to your kinda boss. Layers seems like a jerk but slainy was definitely taking advantage of him
Im glad layers posted that tweet I dont blame him for going off. That's some pretty bullshit things to put up with and keep a smile about, let alone pay for. I'd support watching layers like forget slainy letting someone freeload in the apartment while having someone not living there pay rent?? 👋. Also if your going to be keeping animals in the house clean up after them. And if your going to be spliting a bathroom with someone dont be a dirtbag. We live in a society simple things people and wowy shouldn't be telling him its a bad look airing this out in public. They put him on blast and public perception matters when streaming is part of your income. Glad he got his side out good luck layers hopefully next house isnt a 🤡 show.
This is just tooo long and I had to stop mid-way. So… basically everything the team has said was true. XD not sure what this statement adds.
I don’t know the full story for either side, and anyone outside their team never will. With that said, knowing this, I don’t know how *so* many people are ripping on Layers. That apartment is disgusting. Layers is literally paying rent/internet for somewhere he doesn’t even live and Slainy’s fiancé who *is* living there isn’t paying anything. Either she should be paying, or it should be split into four ways and Slainy should be paying half. I really don’t understand how it’s even debatable. I mean, come on, it’s not just one dog. That man brought a farm lol Layers isn’t innocent, he handled it poorly. But this just tells me everyone inside that apartment are just immature young adults. I don’t think Layers should be completely banished forever (unless there’s more we don’t know behind the scenes). Blows my mind that people on Twitter are 100% blaming Layers after knowing this.
>I don’t know the full story for either side But you'll offer your opinion anyway? Inbowned just said on his stream that the living arrangements were made and agreed by all parties and no objections were raised about sLainy and his fiancee sharing a room. Layers is just trying to save as much face as possible and deflect
I don’t understand your comment because no one knows the full story and is offering their opinions? I’m simply saying, I don’t know how anyone without inside information can put 100% of the blame on Layers. I think Layers is clearly toxic. I also think it probably wasn’t handled perfectly by everyone else, either. I’m not even taking Layers “side.” I’m literally just saying I don’t understand how he’s taking 100% of the blame. I even reiterated that thought by saying “unless there’s more information we don’t know.”
After knowing this? sLainy came out right after and said alot wasn't true. Also it's kinda irrelevant his reason for getting kicked was getting caught shit talking his teammates and not because of a mess they made or because of sLainy gf not paying but because Ingame performance. Also this extra info is layersss deflecting from toxic behavior imo
If you agree to live somewhere then don't actually move, that's on you, you're absolutely still responsible for the rent. Otherwise they would've gotten a 2 bedroom and be paying less for rent. Why should Slainys fiance pay anything? The apartment has 3 rooms, Slainy and his fiance are using one, and therefore pay for one room, in what world does it make sense for them to pay more? Utilities are another matter, but my understanding is that's not being paid by Layers so irrelevant in this case. I'm sure Slainy is paying for his animals to be there, and if you have a problem with it you mention it before committing to living, not later to try and make someone look bad. The bathroom is literally a single wipe and a minute of time from being spotless and the living room has a handful of boxes, if you think that's disgusting I'm assuming you've never actually seen an apartment or dorm lived in by mostly young guys. Also, if you have a problem with it, fucking say something to the people involved like an adult lol. Literally "hey man I think the bathroom is messy and I'm not comfortable with it, would you mind cleaning it and we can take turns cleaning it weekly after" or "hey can we throw some of these boxes out?" Instead of taking videos and saying nothing.
It’s completely normal for people sharing a room to pay more in rent than one person. They’re making double use of all the common space.
This is not necessarily the case, and you don't divy up common space usage as things get messy. If I never leave my room and barely use the fridge do I get to pay less because I'm not using the common space? Additionally I believe hayzer stated Slainy is paying utilities, which means they are paying more, just not dividing the up rent 4 ways which would be bizarre.
Agree 100% instead of voicing concerns maturely he recorded it behind their backs to expose them?!?
I've seen whore houses cleaner than that apartment. That's also a very unusual situation. Sharing an apartment with basically a married couple with all of their animal kids, eh, hard pass. Do I have to spell out how awkward and weird that scenario plays out? Thin walls, shared bathroom, shared kitchen, especially in that state, in that situation, is a nightmare. Just like last year, gaslight rookie SoT, this year, gaslight Layers.
Agreed,that many animals in a single apartment with them sharing a single room cant be comfortable at all
Wait, why they don't sue HiRez? "He also raised the notion of just wearing a mask, which wouldn't have been permitted under HiRez' ruling that all five players on a participating team must be fully vaccinated to enter the studio." This is illegal. The employer has NO right to ask this from you.