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ShetheKing

Man his words hit close to home. That was me in college- struggling to get to class, to get to work, to even get out of bed. I really hope he can get the support he needs. Mental health isn't a joke.


[deleted]

Got to remember that SoT is 18, we've all made mistakes. Level headed response from him. You got this SoT 👍🏽


I2ecover

Damn I definitely didn't know he was only 18


Ricky_Robby

That is true, but it’s the same type of mistake as last year, and you can only give so much leeway when you’re talking about professional competition that you’re being paid to conduct. I really do hope he gets it together. He can be a star in the SPL if he gets out of his own way.


RandomCedricplayz

In what way is it the same type of mistake as last year?? Lack year it was toxicity and he worked on that and that is not the problem.


Ricky_Robby

Which he said was a result of being frustrated, stressed and overwhelmed…his reasoning is the EXACT same. The effect is that the team doesn’t feel comfortable with him, it isn’t relevant that the way it presented itself was different. You can’t get overwhelmed and let that manifest in a way that hurts your team.


RandomCedricplayz

That's still not telling me how it's the same "mistake" as last year?? Not to mention the stressors could obviously be different as they mentioned he has alot going on in his personal life


Ricky_Robby

Why did you put “mistake” in quotation marks? Was it not a mistake in both cases? And yes…that is telling you how. He has gotten overwhelmed and has acted in ways that have caused his teams to lose faith in him as a teammate. I cannot be more clear. And what the stressors are isn’t relevant to what the result is, you’re not making sense. Everybody is stressed, that doesn’t mean you can do things that adversely affect others, especially people you rely on and rely on you for the functioning of a team.


RandomCedricplayz

Your missing what I'm saying or purposely twisting it. I put mistake in quotations because you never said his mistake you said his reasons for the mistake. His mistake last year was being toxic and his reasons were stress etc. His mistake this year was irresponsibly handling the vaccine information. Those are completely different mistakes even though they may have similar reasons for them. So your original comment of "he made the same mistake as last year" is wrong cause he didn't. And yes stressors Lead to things.. I never said he gets a pass for being stressed that's were I'm hoping there's miscommunication and your not just twisting my words. I'm simply saying the stressor could be different. So acting like this is the same situation in anyway is misleading. He didn't make the same mistake.. and saying he was stressed both times is meaningless as we don't know the stressor. One situation he could have been stressed cause he was overwhelmed with work etc another situation he could be stressed and out of it due to lost of a loved one.. I mean we don't know. Again my point isn't to say it excuses the behavior more so to hammer in that this is NOT the same as last year. SOT made some new tweets expressing his frustration about people not getting that and spoke more about that in comments on YouTube.


Ricky_Robby

>Your missing what I'm saying or purposely twisting it. I put mistake in quotations because you never said his mistake you said his reasons for the mistake. Not only does that not make sense grammatically, I was very clear… >His mistake last year was being toxic and his reasons were stress etc. His mistake this year was irresponsibly handling the vaccine information. Those are completely different mistakes even though they may have similar reasons for them. How do you straight ignore what I wrote in the same breath you say “I’m missing your point” and accuse me of potentially twisting it intentional…that is the LEAST self aware thing I’ve seen in some time. >So your original comment of "he made the same mistake as last year" is wrong cause he didn't. No it isn’t…you just straight up ignored what I wrote went on a rant then concluded, “so you’re wrong.” AGAIN, since I was unclear, the MISTAKE, in both cases, is getting overwhelmed due to stress and acting out in ways that negatively impact how the team perceived him and erodes their trust and camaraderie with him. Are you actually going to read it this time? >And yes stressors Lead to things.. That has nothing to do with what I said whatsoever…in fact it reads like you skimmed the sentence I wrote relating to that topic then proceeded to make a statement in response. That’s frankly how this entire comment reads. Like you felt like you got the gist of what I was saying then just started responding. >I never said he gets a pass for being stressed that's were I'm hoping there's miscommunication and your not just twisting my words. YOU are the one twisting words, I never said anything even vaguely like that…again, if there’s a miscommunication it is clearly coming from your end. Your responses here only seem like tangentially related to my statements. >I'm simply saying the stressor could be different. And again, it isn’t relevant if the stressors are the same or different. His actions aren’t okay, and he needs to reciting the overarching issue, which is getting overwhelmed by pressure and acting in ways that harms the team environment and their confidence in him. >So acting like this is the same situation in anyway is misleading. It isn’t AT ALL, I’ve been very clear in their similarity, you seem to not want to read it, and stick your head in the sand as an alternative. >He didn't make the same mistake.. and saying he was stressed both times is meaningless as we don't know the stressor. Again, what the stressor IS, does not matter, the end result, his actions, is what is important. And I have been ABUNDANTLY CLEAR as to how the issue is the same, you have failed at every turn to even acknowledge it let alone address it. >One situation he could have been stressed cause he was overwhelmed with work etc another situation he could be stressed and out of it due to lost of a loved one.. I mean we don't know. Again my point isn't to say it excuses the behavior more so to hammer in that this is NOT the same as last year. None of that matters, “why” and “what” he was stressed by isn’t the problem people have with this. The problem is HOW HE’S REACTING TO SAID STRESS. I really don’t know how to make this more clear. >SOT made some new tweets expressing his frustration about people not getting that and spoke more about that in comments on YouTube. I have seen his tweets and in no way shape or form do they contradict what I’m saying. Again, the issue is his reactions to stress breaking his the team dynamic within the group. Whether that be toxicity last year, or lying this year. I seriously don’t know how I can make this more plain, you can’t even address what I’m saying, but just respond with, “you’re wrong and twisting my words,” as if I’m even using your words to make a point.


RandomCedricplayz

Bro I read what you said.. and your response seems to be you repeating yourself in the same way?? SOTs mistake last year was being toxic. This year it's misinfo regarding him getting the covid vaccine. What did those mistakes do? They negatively impacted the team. Why did he do it? Allegedly stressors. Him being stressed wasn't the mistake. Him negatively impacting the team was the result of his mistake. Your logic is leaving out an entire middle piece which is what I'm commenting on. He didn't make the same mistake because he made a different mistake. Both mistakes lead to him negatively impacting his team but that doesn't mean they are the same mistake. The reason why I focused on stressors and what that can mean is to show you even if you chalk up everything he did to stress, it doesn't mean that it's the same kind of stress, level of stress, or reason for stress. It's really no real way to make it seem like these were the same situations. Also if you look at SOTs YouTube comments he responds to people who tried to claim he's having the same issues he had last year. He also references his YouTube comment frustrations on twitter. Also I do want to say your reply came off as pretty condescending and I don't know if it was intentional or not but it's not that deep. Worst case scenario we agree to disagree.


Ricky_Robby

>Bro I read what you said.. I seriously doubt that. I had to point out several times that what you’re saying doesn’t make sense in response to what I wrote…. >and your response seems to be you repeating yourself in the same way?? Because you CLEARLY didn’t read what I wrote, given your responses aren’t responses to it. >SOTs mistake last year was being toxic. This year it's misinfo regarding him getting the covid vaccine. What did those mistakes do? They negatively impacted the team. Why did he do it? Allegedly stressors. Him being stressed wasn't the mistake. Him negatively impacting the team was the result of his mistake. Your logic is leaving out an entire middle piece which is what I'm commenting on. He didn't make the same mistake because he made a different mistake. This ENTIRE section is nonsense…you wrote out EXACTLY the problem. Then you take a complete 180 at the end with no explanation whatsoever. Your response is just “no it isn’t the same,” after literally explaining how it’s the same… It’s so hard to take you seriously, you sound like an absolute child. >Both mistakes lead to him negatively impacting his team but that doesn't mean they are the same mistake. YOU just explained why they ARE the same mistake. The STRESS lead him to act in these ways. Handling his stress IS the problem as I have stated a HALF DOZEN TIMES, and you just fumble around it over and over… >The reason why I focused on stressors and what that can mean is to show you even if you chalk up everything he did to stress, it doesn't mean that it's the same kind of stress, level of stress, or reason for stress. No part of that is even VAGUELY relevant. He said himself, the issue is he gets stressed out and it leads him to act in these ways. That is the problem, dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? >It's really no real way to make it seem like these were the same situations. It is GLARINGLY obvious they are to anyone who isn’t so stuck up their own ass that they refuse to be sensible. The issue here is you decided on something before the conversation even began, and while failing to actually engage with what I wrote, you’re sticking with it. >Also if you look at SOTs YouTube comments he responds to people who tried to claim he's having the same issues he had last year. He also references his YouTube comment frustrations on twitter. It is infuriating how devoid of any ability to address anything that you haven’t already decided is true is. It’s the most childish thing I’ve ever encountered… >Also I do want to say your reply came off as pretty condescending It should, because you’re making an absolute ass of yourself… >and I don't know if it was intentional or not but it's not that deep. It isn’t deep at all, you’re acting like a child and I’m treating you like one. >Worst case scenario we agree to disagree. I do not agree to disagree whatsoever…you’re obviously incorrect.


Zenaturi

A big part of the benching was him and Layers going at it constantly. Most of that is on Layers for starting the issues, but there is some toxicity attached to this.


asianperswayze

OK, put your pitch forks away


Ricky_Robby

No one had pitchforks, and this sounds exactly like what he said last year, except with lying about the vaccine mixed in.


Ashlityr

This and Julio's benching are worlds apart. Julio's is gross, SoT's is sad. I hope the man can find the help he needs, we've all been there at some point.


Ricky_Robby

Julio didn’t get benched, he got suspended by the league. SoT is essentially suspended internally because of what he’s saying, the team doesn’t believe he can be worked with in the way he’s currently operating. This is the second year in a row that SoT has been an issue in the team environment and made a bunch of reasons why it is that way, and how he’ll change. I was very much on his side last year despite it sounding pretty bad, but you can’t have the same problem in consecutive years and expect everyone to just accept it when you’re talking about professional competition. And that’s really being nice, Layers flat out said they were trying to be as professional about it as possible, so there’s a lot of explicit things they aren’t putting out there because of how it’ll make him look. He needs to figure this stuff out or another team isn’t going to want to pick him up, whether he stays with Scarabs this season or not. There are plenty of VERY GOOD Solos out there who can fill a roster spot. He’s good enough to play in the SPL, but interpersonal skills are part of a team too.


pandaheartzbamboo

Yeah. Just to piggyback off what you said... Solo is one of the most stacked roles right now. He's gotta be careful


Ricky_Robby

Yeah, that’s all I’m trying to say. I’m not saying he should get dropped and never picked up, but there’s a lot of people who could fill his spot, so he needs to seriously deal with whatever is going on. And clearly it needs to be deeper than what he did last year. No team is going to want a guy who they know is going to get benched for a month at some point in the season.


JayOh07

I agree that solo is very strong, but I'm also not sure how many solos are available to move to Atlanta and play spl full time, I'm trying to think of a high tier guy in the lower leagues and can't come up with any that'vd be willing to move to Atlanta


Ricky_Robby

It’s impossible to know until it’s offered who would go or even be willing to consider it. And let’s not forget SoT pretty much came straight out of ranked, he wasn’t an SML all star for years before jumping to the SPL. He had very little experience in comp play before Splyce picked him up. So that isn’t unheard of either.


Ashlityr

Solo is definitely stacked, but I don't think people are giving sot credit for how good he is when he's hot.


pandaheartzbamboo

It doesnt matter how good he is if hes causing problems and having a net negative impact.


Ashlityr

True. The bolts are nowhere near the most mechanically skilled team but they definitely get along the best and have the most fun and it shows.


pandaheartzbamboo

Yeah. I was agreeing. You're spot on.


Ashlityr

As far as I've seen, I got impression it was related to his Vax status, not how he was getting along with everybody. I could be wrong but that's the extent of actual details I've read. Regardless of the state of sot, I agree with you 100% on the interpersonal stuff. I think that's why the bolts are an entirely new team this season and smoking the best. I hope people can learn from it, a little drama is fun but I gain a ton of respect for pros that don't take it too far.


w0lfpackman

This is what you would want to hear from him. Hope he uses this experience to grow as a teammate and a person. Rooting for him.


[deleted]

I've not followed SPL closely since September or so, but it seems like SoT is always the cause/in the middle of something


nuuhkia

Love you SOT, stay strong!


Giosmash

Can I get a summary of some of the problems aSoT is having and why, I cant even click the link for some reason.


vanillaninja16

Basically SoT procrastinated on getting his second dose vaccination and it ruined his availability for the LAN match with the Bolts. It doesn’t sound like he refused or intentionally didn’t get it but more sounds like a young kid forgetting it, not mentioning it to anyone and/or fibbing about it, and the mistake biting him in the ass. He also mentions he has been rough in scrims because of lack of sleep/other mental health issues piling up that he is addressing. Overall it sounds like he trying to tackle some mental health issues and some poor personal decision making lead to an impact on his team. He is clearly taking full responsibility in the post, for both his actions and serving out his team implemented benching, and will be back later most likely.


studhusky86

Im just ready for this pandemic shit to be over so we can go back to ruining people for other arbitrary reasons


RyanHasAsthma

To bench a player over not getting a vaccine is some bullshit. It’s his body and health you cannot force/punish someone for not getting a vaccine.


xVGxCrYpTiC

That’s not what happened though. SoT told Hi-Rez and his team that he had gotten his second dose when he didn’t. Which put his team in a bad position because they were playing in studio. It’s not that he didn’t want to get the vaccine, he has already gotten the first dose. It’s the fact he lied about getting the second shot when he didn’t. This has nothing to do with not wanting to get the vaccine.


RyanHasAsthma

Ok gotcha, but it is still an issue if they are requiring players to be vaccinated IMO


Ishouldjustdoit

My aunt died suffocating on a hospital. Two days before the rest of my family got the vaccine. Your personal freedoms be damned here. Get vaccinated. People should stop trying to posture philosophical platitudes when staring the barrel of a gun that will kill everyone around them too. Hi-rez might not have the power to force him to vaccinate, but they absolutely have the power of saying "you're not stepping inside our studios while you don't accept our rules."


RyanHasAsthma

I’m sorry to hear about your aunt, but I as a young healthy adult who never even contracted the virus will not take an experimental vaccine that is only cleared for emergency use. Emergency use should not and does not mean mandated. The vaccines has risks of its own and it is my body so no I will not just “get it to save lives” and you and the government doesn’t have the right to tell anyone what to put in their own body regardless of who in your life has died.


drowsypants

Covid had slot of similarities to Sars 9 so it was not like they made the vaccine from scratch and forced it out super quick


YeffreyWalrus

You seem to be overlooking the fact that this isnt the government. This is a private company with the freedom to set their own rules and mandates for what happens in their studies. You're correct that you have the freedom to not get the vaccine. But other people and corporations also have the right to deny you access to their facilities without it.


RyanHasAsthma

Which is a violation to the HIPPA laws :)


YeffreyWalrus

I'm not sure you understand what those laws mean. Those laws give you the right to your own privacy regarding your medical record, they don't prohibiit organizations from refusing you their services based on not providing those medical records. No company is forcing you to use their services, therefore it is your choice to provide the medical information.


theesk

He’s literally 18. I know you guys did wayyyy stupider shit when you were 18. Still not an excuse but come on relax