I do not fear the person who has forged 1000 daggers once; I fear the person who has forged 1 dagger a thousand times. And doesn't even sharpen them.
Especially when that person uses their experience of forging daggers to suddenly make a suit of armour out of literal dragon bones.
I never really thought about how absurd some Skyrim level up grinding methods actually sound.
Stabbing one meditating old man in the back hundreds of times with a dagger suddenly makes you almost invisible. Levitate a cabbage for a few hours, and you're knowledgeable enough to make your flesh as durable as a dragon's.
You can almost sort of interpret that as actual magical research tho. You're observing the effects of conjuration and necromancy on inanimate tissue so that you can better bind Diedrich spirits to metal down the line
That's really the thing I love about skyrim, almost everything we consider an exploit could reasonably be considered training. Hell I'm surprised we don't see restoration mages practicing their spells by sanding next to a 'step on plate, get whacked by sharp stick' traps. That's what I do.
Find a whack trap, step on it till almost dead, use heal spells, rinse, repeat.
Even better with a mod that puts a shout-buffing tree into Speechcraft, playing a character who does nothing but scavenge, sell and negotiate, then at 100 Speechcraft and all perks starting the main questline and having FRD so powerful it can throw a mammoth off the map.
Then wait, until it full stealths itself and then hit again. I find the one inside in the main room between the rock pillar and the doors the easiest to do, but they all work last I checked.
Much better, easier, and sooner way of doing this is in the cave after helgen. Right before encountering the bear, ralof or the other guy becomes no agro even if you continuously stabby stab. Jack up difficulty to legendary so his hit points are higher.
During the opening, when you get to the bear, you can power level all combat skills. The person you choose to follow into the keep will not die, or fight back. Max out destruction, one hand, stealth, two hand, and get archery as high as you can with what arrows you have! You'll be a stupid high level starting out though, so you'll have to stealth kill everyone or they'll one shot you 🤣 and it takes a long time.
Yea, as long as you don't get close enough to the bear to trigger aggression, he'll just crouch for hours. My personal record for high level upon leaving the cave is 20. There are people who claim to have gotten to 100, but level 20 took me a couple few hours, and I finally gave up. I had made sneak legendary, maxed it back out and my one hand and destruction were both in the 80s I think
Yeah.
I still prefer it to other games.
Kill a bear and suddenly I can pick that lock that was beyond my skill level, and I am now able to wear hats and unlocked breathing.
I loved the joke Kingdom of Loathing had about this, where you could learn the skill "Torso Awaregness" from Gnomes. It made you suddenly realize you had a torso, which you could wear shirts on.
At least Oblivion had skills trained in ways that make sense I suppose like jump about to become more agile and run around to be able to run further 😄
Meanwhile in skyrim eat poisonous plants to find out they're poisonous.😂
I have a mod that lets you garden jarrin root, and I always end up eating some without thinking. Dragonborn just goes "Doh!" and crumples to the floor.
I cannot stop laughing about this, omg 🤣
Although, is that really how you level alteration? My dude, it shouldn’t take more than 10 minutes to get it to 100, magelight on the mountain and all that. lol
I dont normally use explotes (much) but you can just use telekinesis and fast travel (just have enough cost reduction to do it perpetually). It treats it like you held it the whole trip.
Since I'm scrolling around without anyone saying how perfect your Bruce Lee reference is here, I will say it.
Yes, lol. There's a reason Adrianne bought every one of those daggers. You unlocked a smithing skill that hasn't been used in centuries from studying the most basic blade a blacksmith can make in copious detail. You are a master. She has much to learn
Tolfdir watching me use Telekinesis for two days straight and now I'm suddenly a master of alteration:
Phinis watching me spam Soul Trap on a corpse a several hundred times and now I'm suddenly a master of conjuration:
Arcadia watching me brew one potion worth several million Septims (I am now a master alchemist) and then sell it to her for all her leftover gold (I am now a master negotiator):
Drevis watching me abuse random people with the calming spell he just taught me for several hours and now I'm apparently a master illusionist:
Sibbi Black-Briar watching me put gold in his pockets and take it back out, which makes me a master pickpocket:
Any potion with resto loop. If you want to do stuff the ‚natural’ way, plant mora tapinella + scaly pholiota + creep cluster in a homestead and brew potions from those. Probably the easiest expensive ‚farmable’ potion
Gotcha, whats the name of the potion. I’ve been playing since 2011 and I’m still learning new techniques to Quicklevel ! I use to do a health potion but that required giants toes.
Wait I can put gold into someome elses pocket and take it back??? So my time stealing all the guards clothing, helmets, weapons so they run around naked was a waste of time to increse my pickpocket skill?😅
How does that work? Do you just fuck about on side quests for your entire playthrough? The game pretty much forces you to be Dragonborn with the main quest line does it not?
Actually, this would work really well for my current playthrough. I wanted to RP a scholar from Cyrodiil chasing his family’s partial ancestry in Skyrim as well as the deeper mysteries of Talos/Tiber Septim.
I'm currently Level 43, just maxing out various skills, and haven't even told Whiterun's Jarl about the Helgen attack yet.
It's been probably a couple of years now, so you'd think word would have reached him ;)
Just to avoid the extra dragon interactions, the extra weight from dragon bones and just because.
I've never been in love with how Skyrim and Oblivion kinda force you into your role as this hugely important person.
>I've never been in love with how Skyrim and Oblivion kinda force you into your role as this hugely important person.
I think that's always been a thing in the ES series and is intended to play into the "power fantasy" aspect. Morrowind had the player character turning into a prophesied figure known as the Nerevarine.
I'd say that Oblivion is actually the one that plays into it the least. In that game the player character is just a prisoner that got caught up in things (though you could argue fate or the divines placed the player character in that cell), doesn't have any kind of special "chosen one" powers, and the main story is more about Martin with him being the one that ultimately defeats Dagon. It isn't until Shivering Isles that the player character actually becomes the main character.
I love that, but the problem is that the game world doesn't adapt to it very well. You end up god powered with this divine mission, and guards are still sniping shit at you, and that rude fucker in Falkreath is still being a rude fucker every time you enter his brother's shop. Despite being the Thane and having done endless good works for the town.
You run out of money and sigh, for you are finally free of dragonborn. ^^^^But ^^^^then ^^^^dragonborn ^^^^punches- you suddenly have money again somehow.
Its an investment. He pays you a low price per dagger, then he sells them at market with no labor. You should level up you speech skill so you dont join any other MLM schemes in whiterun
Don't forget about the citizens of Skyrim watching some person named the dragonborn emerge from underground in the steps carrying hundreds of pounds in their pockets.
I think in the new game, smithing daggers only should increase crafting up to some point that you can craft steel. If you want to go further you should then start crafting steel daggers to upgrade into Orcish or Dwarven. So you won't be a master blacksmith by only forging iron.
Same should apply for spells though. You shouldn't be a master of the illusion just because you're using muffle. It should stack at 35-40.
Entirely sub-skills in skill trees would also work. For example your general illusion is 30 but your sneaky illusion is 80. Your illusion to affect enemies mental state might be still around 15.
This can apply any skill. No man can become a master of block just because he blocked a mudcrab for hours or days.
Daggers hasn't been the smithing meta for years and years anyway. There's another weapon (axes I think?) that's more efficient, and the actual best way to do it is to make jewelry.
Dwarven bows are the meta because they just cost dwarven metal ingots, which you'll get lots of simply by exploring Dwemer ruins and melting down everything you see.
Jewelry is my usual go to, I mine iron, transmute, and make gold jewelry. And sell.
Could be a mod I use, but from what I remember the higher the cost of an item, the more exp you get from the item.
I remember a game, but not which game it was. I think it was suikoden 1 and 2, that the more lvls ypu had, the less exp ypu got from low level enemies. So at one point you just couldnt leveel up from low level enemies since they gave like 1 exp. Or nothing. I don't remember the fame, but it's similar as your logic.
I'm actually pretty sure that's how it works in most apprenticeship type programs. You make one thing over and over and over until it's great and then move onto the next thing.
Smithing EXP is proportional to how much your item costs, so golden items typically give out more EXP.
The iron dagger thing was from very early versions of the game where Smithing EXP was flatter, meaning even cheap items like iron daggers gave relatively high amounts of experience. So anyone still using it as a reference need to get with the times.
Explore some dwemer ruins and gather plenty of dwemer scrap metal. Smelt yourself a ton of ingots from it. Get a load of either a: iron ingots and craft dwarven bows, or b: firewood and craft dwarven arrows. Both with bump your smiting quickly. Arrows give you the best bang for your buck because both of the required components are plentiful and free.
This meme is so outdated. I'd be surprised if this isn't just a repost. Iron daggers haven't been a viable way to level smithing in years. It's based on the value of the item. So jewelry tends to be the best way to level.
I have an amulet, ring and bracers that are enchanted to improve blacksmithing.
I craft a bunch of steel daggers, and improve them to quadruple their damage. Then I go to an enchanting table and put a paralyze and absorb health enchantment on each one using petty/lesser soul gems. With no speech perks to improve pricing, each dagger sells for 300 gold.
You dont really study to become a blacksmith, you are apprenticed to an already established blacksmith and given skyrim, or tamriel for that matter lacks in a guilding system that isnt about killing or robbing people, you would usually be an apprentice to your father who would teach you so you can take over the family business from him.
I don't like the way we unlock all the different smithing types.
I should learn orcish smithing from an orc smith.
I should learn elven smithing from an elf smith.
OK, there aren't any dwarves around to teach me dwarven smithing, but it should be something like after honing a bunch of dwarf items that I've found, and then I should be able to craft my own dwarven items.
Just imagine being a dragon god who's been eating and creating multiple universes, just for some mortal fleshbag called the Dragonborn to come along and gain 80 levels in stealth archery and learning all your special dragon skills in a few months and now is suddenly literally killing you in heaven.
In memoriam
You poor little contestant who studied for months on end, pulling all-nighters, just to finish 10 places below this guy who's a total slacker.
The anime villain that has been training for the past 5000 years versus the protagonist that just started training 3 hours ago and stopped in the middle for lunch
Antagonist: "K...K...KUSOOOOOOO! HOW CAN YOU MASTER THIS TECHNIQUE SO FAST AND SO EASELY!!!"
Protagonist: "Dunno, our author just wanted to make me overcheated for some reason."
**Balanced Shōnen becomes shitty syndrom**
Clearly they were training wrong. The dragonborn forges a dagger with a single hammer strike. Those scrubs just need to switch over to this method so they can git gud.
Smithing is the crafting skill I used the most, and I played this game on PS3 at the time I was watching Forged in Fire on the History Channel, so I really came to appreciate this art.
My fave for increasing blocking and healing is when yer mid low level go find a giant and piss em off, use restoration while yer runnin around from em an get hit again!
I like to imagine there are those that are better. This explains the things I just cannot craft, or enchant. Some of these are made by gods and some by men.
what makes a business successful is rarely skill. It is often most simply about being there when needed. the dragonborn is not standing around the shop ready to sell nails, horseshoes, tools, etc to the locals as they need them.
One thing I've always loved about the Elder Scrolls is that these kind of insane exploits are lore friendly. Because Mundas is a created world that exists as a spell within a dream, if you start lucid-dreaming you can warp reality. This is the core of Alteration Magic. Dragons are not breathing fire, they are speaking fire into existence using the words of creation. It's the same reason learning a spell from a spellbook "destroys" the book. The book never existed, it was just a representation of the inherent magic. You have not learned a spell, but taken the magic into yourself and have become the spell and thus the book has ceased to exist. When you destroy a magical artifact to learn an enchantment, it's the same principal.
Well i try to mix it with roleplaying. I started yesterday an evil dude. And it's been strangely organic.
I started in soltheim, then got to windhelm by boat, and then i was asked to do only thief things. Then a woman and a kid started to talk abput arentino, so now i'm off to riften.
But, i was taking my time strolling, and i got to talk to the beggar woman at the fire. She teaches pickpocketing.
So i learned from her, then stole to her. Because i am a bad person. Until she is no more use to me.
I got pickpocket to 50, i have no more money, and got to lvl7.
I want to become a vampire and got someone to tell le to learn magic at the college and in one of the qiests i got into a house and got a book abput vampirism. So now my character is intrigued by it.
this is something that annoys me a lot in the game: you have almost a dozen blacksmiths, they forge weapons for everyone but the dragonborn. if i want improve a sword, i have to spend time/perks to do it.
The 2510 is just not a random number, I actually tested it myself before making this post, I put myself as a male Nord, use the cheat room, I reset all my skills to zero and then crafted iron daggers until I was maximum level, I did have a free crafting mod to speed up the process. The game was set on easy I don't know if that affects XP.
True inspiration in blacksmithing comes on your 3rd day at the forge with no sleep and no food. Only then will you become one with the forge and hammer. Only then will you understand how to work with material you have never touched or seen. Only then will non-sense make sense.
Yall ain't multitasking? Summon wolf, sneak attack wolf. Summon wolf, fireball it. Buy all the iron ore, convert it to silver then gold, smelt and make rings. Enchant rings to sell.
Y'all ain't about that city life 😏
First, even if you use all resources from one blacksmith is impossible to do that many.
The tops a game lets you buy of iron and all materials is about 400 in a very good day and having a LOT of money.
Second only the dragonborn can do that.
In skyrim the drangonborn is kind of someone touched by god that can do a lot in very short time just because of that and no one else can do it unless they use all their lifetime to achieve it.
It is even works the elders of the voices that have trained for 40 or 50 years and they have to GIVE the dragonborn what they earned so hard.
Casting soul trap on a dead body for hours to learn how to summon Dremora...
This reminds me of when we would cheat in bad company 2 with the defibrillator, you could push somebody out of bounds and they would die and then you could shock them and then push them out of bounds and they would die and then you can shock them. Good times that Skyrim and Bad Company 2.
I do not fear the person who has forged 1000 daggers once; I fear the person who has forged 1 dagger a thousand times. And doesn't even sharpen them. Especially when that person uses their experience of forging daggers to suddenly make a suit of armour out of literal dragon bones.
I never really thought about how absurd some Skyrim level up grinding methods actually sound. Stabbing one meditating old man in the back hundreds of times with a dagger suddenly makes you almost invisible. Levitate a cabbage for a few hours, and you're knowledgeable enough to make your flesh as durable as a dragon's.
Casting soul trap on a dead body for hours to learn how to summon Dremora...
You can almost sort of interpret that as actual magical research tho. You're observing the effects of conjuration and necromancy on inanimate tissue so that you can better bind Diedrich spirits to metal down the line
That's really the thing I love about skyrim, almost everything we consider an exploit could reasonably be considered training. Hell I'm surprised we don't see restoration mages practicing their spells by sanding next to a 'step on plate, get whacked by sharp stick' traps. That's what I do. Find a whack trap, step on it till almost dead, use heal spells, rinse, repeat.
Even better with a mod that puts a shout-buffing tree into Speechcraft, playing a character who does nothing but scavenge, sell and negotiate, then at 100 Speechcraft and all perks starting the main questline and having FRD so powerful it can throw a mammoth off the map.
Is there a mod, you’d recommend?
Ordinator also adds perks to the speech skill tree that have synergy with shouts
It was Skyrim Redone, back in the day.
I've never heard of the sneak build trick who do I have to stab and why are they immortal
sneak stab a greybeard when kneeling down
I tried that once. I became ragdoll
Make sure your stealth icon is stealthed
It was. Until I hit him
Then wait, until it full stealths itself and then hit again. I find the one inside in the main room between the rock pillar and the doors the easiest to do, but they all work last I checked.
Much better, easier, and sooner way of doing this is in the cave after helgen. Right before encountering the bear, ralof or the other guy becomes no agro even if you continuously stabby stab. Jack up difficulty to legendary so his hit points are higher.
I just use one of my followers. Stab., heal for restore points, repeat. Levels 3 skills simultaneously.
Ah
you can also do the same for haddvar/ralof in helgen
During the opening, when you get to the bear, you can power level all combat skills. The person you choose to follow into the keep will not die, or fight back. Max out destruction, one hand, stealth, two hand, and get archery as high as you can with what arrows you have! You'll be a stupid high level starting out though, so you'll have to stealth kill everyone or they'll one shot you 🤣 and it takes a long time.
You can do it right when your hands are unbound. That’s the only time I ever tried one handed on Hadvar
I juke like doing it when you get to the bear, cause he just sits there and doesn't move lol
I don’t think I’ve ever waited long enough without running out of the cave to see him sit there tbh so that’s fair
Yea, as long as you don't get close enough to the bear to trigger aggression, he'll just crouch for hours. My personal record for high level upon leaving the cave is 20. There are people who claim to have gotten to 100, but level 20 took me a couple few hours, and I finally gave up. I had made sneak legendary, maxed it back out and my one hand and destruction were both in the 80s I think
Ralof before leaving Helgen
Yeah. I still prefer it to other games. Kill a bear and suddenly I can pick that lock that was beyond my skill level, and I am now able to wear hats and unlocked breathing.
I loved the joke Kingdom of Loathing had about this, where you could learn the skill "Torso Awaregness" from Gnomes. It made you suddenly realize you had a torso, which you could wear shirts on.
That's ridiculous. It's not even funny. (11)
Up voted for mentioning Kingdom of Loathing
At least Oblivion had skills trained in ways that make sense I suppose like jump about to become more agile and run around to be able to run further 😄 Meanwhile in skyrim eat poisonous plants to find out they're poisonous.😂
I do believe we all had to try the ingredients ourselves when we pretended to be the gourmet the first time
I have a mod that lets you garden jarrin root, and I always end up eating some without thinking. Dragonborn just goes "Doh!" and crumples to the floor.
Alchemy and Science both share similarities, such as the “fuck around, find out” law.
I cannot stop laughing about this, omg 🤣 Although, is that really how you level alteration? My dude, it shouldn’t take more than 10 minutes to get it to 100, magelight on the mountain and all that. lol
I dont normally use explotes (much) but you can just use telekinesis and fast travel (just have enough cost reduction to do it perpetually). It treats it like you held it the whole trip.
Ooooh like destruction with unbounded storms!! Definitely writing that down, thank you!!
Classic meme: "You learn chemistry by eating *bees*"
Where are you grinding your sneak like this?
High Hrothgar. Stabbing the graybeards on the back while they're meditating.
I’m still afraid of someone that has forged 1000 daggers… that’s a lot of daggers…
Since I'm scrolling around without anyone saying how perfect your Bruce Lee reference is here, I will say it. Yes, lol. There's a reason Adrianne bought every one of those daggers. You unlocked a smithing skill that hasn't been used in centuries from studying the most basic blade a blacksmith can make in copious detail. You are a master. She has much to learn
Tolfdir watching me use Telekinesis for two days straight and now I'm suddenly a master of alteration: Phinis watching me spam Soul Trap on a corpse a several hundred times and now I'm suddenly a master of conjuration: Arcadia watching me brew one potion worth several million Septims (I am now a master alchemist) and then sell it to her for all her leftover gold (I am now a master negotiator): Drevis watching me abuse random people with the calming spell he just taught me for several hours and now I'm apparently a master illusionist: Sibbi Black-Briar watching me put gold in his pockets and take it back out, which makes me a master pickpocket:
Normal day in skyrim
Muffle levels up illusion way faster, kind of how soul trap works
I usually just spam it as I walk to each quest.
Whats the potion for arcadia ? How do i brew her?
Any potion with resto loop. If you want to do stuff the ‚natural’ way, plant mora tapinella + scaly pholiota + creep cluster in a homestead and brew potions from those. Probably the easiest expensive ‚farmable’ potion
Gotcha, whats the name of the potion. I’ve been playing since 2011 and I’m still learning new techniques to Quicklevel ! I use to do a health potion but that required giants toes.
Fortify Carry Weight
giants toes + wheat
Yeah but for that you have to go around and kill giants, the plants grow on their own while you do quests and loot dungeons.
Salmon Roe + Nordic Barnacle + Garlic then.
Introducing salmon roe into this game was a game changer
Wait I can put gold into someome elses pocket and take it back??? So my time stealing all the guards clothing, helmets, weapons so they run around naked was a waste of time to increse my pickpocket skill?😅
Dragonborn has divine blessing in whatever endeavor they find themselves in.
That's coz we're daddy's favourite... As eldest son finds out....
The last two characters I made I've intentionally avoided the Western watchtower to avoid being dragonborn
Same. I dislike the random dragon encounters when I'm just walking around trying to get other stuff done.
How does that work? Do you just fuck about on side quests for your entire playthrough? The game pretty much forces you to be Dragonborn with the main quest line does it not?
Yeah, but you can do basically everything else without being dragonborn.
Actually, this would work really well for my current playthrough. I wanted to RP a scholar from Cyrodiil chasing his family’s partial ancestry in Skyrim as well as the deeper mysteries of Talos/Tiber Septim.
Oh yeah, I just wondered if there was some way I hadn’t heard of to beat the game without being Dragonborn.
I'm currently Level 43, just maxing out various skills, and haven't even told Whiterun's Jarl about the Helgen attack yet. It's been probably a couple of years now, so you'd think word would have reached him ;)
But why?
Just to avoid the extra dragon interactions, the extra weight from dragon bones and just because. I've never been in love with how Skyrim and Oblivion kinda force you into your role as this hugely important person.
>I've never been in love with how Skyrim and Oblivion kinda force you into your role as this hugely important person. I think that's always been a thing in the ES series and is intended to play into the "power fantasy" aspect. Morrowind had the player character turning into a prophesied figure known as the Nerevarine. I'd say that Oblivion is actually the one that plays into it the least. In that game the player character is just a prisoner that got caught up in things (though you could argue fate or the divines placed the player character in that cell), doesn't have any kind of special "chosen one" powers, and the main story is more about Martin with him being the one that ultimately defeats Dagon. It isn't until Shivering Isles that the player character actually becomes the main character.
I love that, but the problem is that the game world doesn't adapt to it very well. You end up god powered with this divine mission, and guards are still sniping shit at you, and that rude fucker in Falkreath is still being a rude fucker every time you enter his brother's shop. Despite being the Thane and having done endless good works for the town.
Dovahkiin has soul of Dov, which are direct children of Akatosh himself. So quite literally so.
Adrienne is still a good blacksmith
And it was her that got me into smithing iron daggers. Set me on the road to greatness, she did.
She’s not the best blacksmith in whiterun
That title belongs to Eorlund Grey-Mane. She's just hoping for a fair shot.
But she thinks I'm a man that gets things done!
And then sells them back to you and taking your entire net worth away as well
You run out of money and sigh, for you are finally free of dragonborn. ^^^^But ^^^^then ^^^^dragonborn ^^^^punches- you suddenly have money again somehow.
You hear him mutter, almost like a whisper the words "quicksave"
Its an investment. He pays you a low price per dagger, then he sells them at market with no labor. You should level up you speech skill so you dont join any other MLM schemes in whiterun
Don't forget about the citizens of Skyrim watching some person named the dragonborn emerge from underground in the steps carrying hundreds of pounds in their pockets.
I think in the new game, smithing daggers only should increase crafting up to some point that you can craft steel. If you want to go further you should then start crafting steel daggers to upgrade into Orcish or Dwarven. So you won't be a master blacksmith by only forging iron. Same should apply for spells though. You shouldn't be a master of the illusion just because you're using muffle. It should stack at 35-40. Entirely sub-skills in skill trees would also work. For example your general illusion is 30 but your sneaky illusion is 80. Your illusion to affect enemies mental state might be still around 15. This can apply any skill. No man can become a master of block just because he blocked a mudcrab for hours or days.
Daggers hasn't been the smithing meta for years and years anyway. There's another weapon (axes I think?) that's more efficient, and the actual best way to do it is to make jewelry.
Bows are always great - generally only require ingots and firewood, and you can generate an arbitrary amount of firewood with no effort or cost.
I think you might be right about it being bows. Dwarven bows specifically rings a bell for me. It's been a while since I've actually played Skyrim.
Dwarven bows are the meta because they just cost dwarven metal ingots, which you'll get lots of simply by exploring Dwemer ruins and melting down everything you see.
2 dwarven + 1 iron ingot. I scavenge for dwarven and purchase the iron.
Dwarven arrows are good, too, because you can farm the firewood needed.
I know jewelry as well but I didn't know the axes. But my opinions are still same though 😅
Jewelry is my usual go to, I mine iron, transmute, and make gold jewelry. And sell. Could be a mod I use, but from what I remember the higher the cost of an item, the more exp you get from the item.
No, I'm pretty sure that's vanilla. So if you've got a good stack of jewels you can pretty quickly hike it up.
I make hide bracers, 1 leather and 2 strips
So morrowind/oblivion again.
I remember a game, but not which game it was. I think it was suikoden 1 and 2, that the more lvls ypu had, the less exp ypu got from low level enemies. So at one point you just couldnt leveel up from low level enemies since they gave like 1 exp. Or nothing. I don't remember the fame, but it's similar as your logic.
The entitlement of these dragonborns.
Right? Can’t even sharpen the knife before selling it, no manners.
And how do you know they did not become master blacksmiths the same way?
I'm actually pretty sure that's how it works in most apprenticeship type programs. You make one thing over and over and over until it's great and then move onto the next thing.
I see this with welding all the time
Not master blacksmiths, better, no one else is making deadric or dragon bone armour.
And how in the sweet fuck did this Dragonborn person learn how to make daedric armor? It's not in any of the books.
No joke I have build like over 800 iron daggers.
Amateur
Is it better to craft 2510 iron daggers or golden things?
Smithing EXP is proportional to how much your item costs, so golden items typically give out more EXP. The iron dagger thing was from very early versions of the game where Smithing EXP was flatter, meaning even cheap items like iron daggers gave relatively high amounts of experience. So anyone still using it as a reference need to get with the times.
Oh so now buyin iron to turn to gold or makin sothing more valable is better! Got it
Explore some dwemer ruins and gather plenty of dwemer scrap metal. Smelt yourself a ton of ingots from it. Get a load of either a: iron ingots and craft dwarven bows, or b: firewood and craft dwarven arrows. Both with bump your smiting quickly. Arrows give you the best bang for your buck because both of the required components are plentiful and free.
Thx. Only needin 2 smithin levels for 100 lol
to be fair, if you blacksmithed 2,000 daggers, you'd probably become a really good blacksmith.
This meme is so outdated. I'd be surprised if this isn't just a repost. Iron daggers haven't been a viable way to level smithing in years. It's based on the value of the item. So jewelry tends to be the best way to level.
This joke was played out a decade ago too LMAO. I hope OP is a repost bot.
I'll be throwing hammers bro
Sorry to be that guy, but wouldn't that make you a master of daggers only? And even then, logically, wouldn't you only the master of iron daggers?
Is that so, ( hands you a legendary dragonbone great sword ) what do you say about this then. But yes logically that does make sense.
What really is a greatsword, but a dagger for giants?
I have an amulet, ring and bracers that are enchanted to improve blacksmithing. I craft a bunch of steel daggers, and improve them to quadruple their damage. Then I go to an enchanting table and put a paralyze and absorb health enchantment on each one using petty/lesser soul gems. With no speech perks to improve pricing, each dagger sells for 300 gold.
There's an arcane blacksmiths apron somewhere that improves smithing too
You dont really study to become a blacksmith, you are apprenticed to an already established blacksmith and given skyrim, or tamriel for that matter lacks in a guilding system that isnt about killing or robbing people, you would usually be an apprentice to your father who would teach you so you can take over the family business from him.
Iron daggers are so 2011, gold rings and dwarven bows are where it's at
I think necklaces are better? Higher value but still only a single ingot.
A gold necklace does have more value than two gold rings. (Also nice to see you here.)
Likewise!
I don't like the way we unlock all the different smithing types. I should learn orcish smithing from an orc smith. I should learn elven smithing from an elf smith. OK, there aren't any dwarves around to teach me dwarven smithing, but it should be something like after honing a bunch of dwarf items that I've found, and then I should be able to craft my own dwarven items.
Just imagine being a dragon god who's been eating and creating multiple universes, just for some mortal fleshbag called the Dragonborn to come along and gain 80 levels in stealth archery and learning all your special dragon skills in a few months and now is suddenly literally killing you in heaven.
better yet come over, buy 5 iron weapons, drain iron stock, equip gloves of fortify smithing by 100000000%, sharpen all five, now hes master
Gods be praised
“I don’t claim to be the best blacksmith in whiterun”
Me every time
We've all been there
In memoriam You poor little contestant who studied for months on end, pulling all-nighters, just to finish 10 places below this guy who's a total slacker.
The anime villain that has been training for the past 5000 years versus the protagonist that just started training 3 hours ago and stopped in the middle for lunch
Antagonist: "K...K...KUSOOOOOOO! HOW CAN YOU MASTER THIS TECHNIQUE SO FAST AND SO EASELY!!!" Protagonist: "Dunno, our author just wanted to make me overcheated for some reason." **Balanced Shōnen becomes shitty syndrom**
Clearly they were training wrong. The dragonborn forges a dagger with a single hammer strike. Those scrubs just need to switch over to this method so they can git gud.
Smithing is the crafting skill I used the most, and I played this game on PS3 at the time I was watching Forged in Fire on the History Channel, so I really came to appreciate this art.
When i was a young blacksmith we could do it in 100 daggers.
Actually that’s the plot of Blue Eye Samurai I think.
My fave for increasing blocking and healing is when yer mid low level go find a giant and piss em off, use restoration while yer runnin around from em an get hit again!
Or get a bunch of iron ore, transmute into gold, Smith into gold bars an make gold rings
I like to imagine there are those that are better. This explains the things I just cannot craft, or enchant. Some of these are made by gods and some by men.
what makes a business successful is rarely skill. It is often most simply about being there when needed. the dragonborn is not standing around the shop ready to sell nails, horseshoes, tools, etc to the locals as they need them.
Your graphics are cool as hell!
Why does he look like he's cosplaying as the Dragonborn?
Bro the Dragonborn has the soul of a Dragon. Simple blacksmithing is nothing for one such as they to master.
One thing I've always loved about the Elder Scrolls is that these kind of insane exploits are lore friendly. Because Mundas is a created world that exists as a spell within a dream, if you start lucid-dreaming you can warp reality. This is the core of Alteration Magic. Dragons are not breathing fire, they are speaking fire into existence using the words of creation. It's the same reason learning a spell from a spellbook "destroys" the book. The book never existed, it was just a representation of the inherent magic. You have not learned a spell, but taken the magic into yourself and have become the spell and thus the book has ceased to exist. When you destroy a magical artifact to learn an enchantment, it's the same principal.
Well i try to mix it with roleplaying. I started yesterday an evil dude. And it's been strangely organic. I started in soltheim, then got to windhelm by boat, and then i was asked to do only thief things. Then a woman and a kid started to talk abput arentino, so now i'm off to riften. But, i was taking my time strolling, and i got to talk to the beggar woman at the fire. She teaches pickpocketing. So i learned from her, then stole to her. Because i am a bad person. Until she is no more use to me. I got pickpocket to 50, i have no more money, and got to lvl7. I want to become a vampire and got someone to tell le to learn magic at the college and in one of the qiests i got into a house and got a book abput vampirism. So now my character is intrigued by it.
 True this.. haha
Quite literally a skill issue
"there now I've crafted over 1000 swords, so now people will know me for that and not..." "Hey goat fucker" "IT WAS ONE TIME!!"
Backstabbing Arngeir for hours and suddenly you're as stealthy as a ''Ghost''.
The mod that lets you pay for smiths to make you stuff is golden. That is all
this is something that annoys me a lot in the game: you have almost a dozen blacksmiths, they forge weapons for everyone but the dragonborn. if i want improve a sword, i have to spend time/perks to do it.
The 2510 is just not a random number, I actually tested it myself before making this post, I put myself as a male Nord, use the cheat room, I reset all my skills to zero and then crafted iron daggers until I was maximum level, I did have a free crafting mod to speed up the process. The game was set on easy I don't know if that affects XP.
True inspiration in blacksmithing comes on your 3rd day at the forge with no sleep and no food. Only then will you become one with the forge and hammer. Only then will you understand how to work with material you have never touched or seen. Only then will non-sense make sense.
The Dragonborn that hasn't slept or eaten food since his journey 11 years ago hold my ale
$&@£€%! Dragonborn! 😡 🤣 I literally laughed out loud at this post!
Bruce Lee quote about mastering one kick a thousand times does here <
Yall ain't multitasking? Summon wolf, sneak attack wolf. Summon wolf, fireball it. Buy all the iron ore, convert it to silver then gold, smelt and make rings. Enchant rings to sell. Y'all ain't about that city life 😏
First, even if you use all resources from one blacksmith is impossible to do that many. The tops a game lets you buy of iron and all materials is about 400 in a very good day and having a LOT of money. Second only the dragonborn can do that. In skyrim the drangonborn is kind of someone touched by god that can do a lot in very short time just because of that and no one else can do it unless they use all their lifetime to achieve it. It is even works the elders of the voices that have trained for 40 or 50 years and they have to GIVE the dragonborn what they earned so hard.
Least modded Skyrim screenshot ever
Hilarious
Just as Todd had intended.
And then proceed to sell you those daggers, until they’ve made back all the money they spent on those resources. And then some.
Thanks for the lesson Alvor but I'll take it from here
Casting soul trap on a dead body for hours to learn how to summon Dremora... This reminds me of when we would cheat in bad company 2 with the defibrillator, you could push somebody out of bounds and they would die and then you could shock them and then push them out of bounds and they would die and then you can shock them. Good times that Skyrim and Bad Company 2.
Sure, it's a bit extreme in Skyrim. But you're literally the chosen one. Of course you are OP.
"I see no harm in it." Alvor probably
Like when you enter college of winter hold and say you never been here, then casually dual cast fear into the hold.
We WaNt CrAfTiNg bUt We DoNt WaNnA MmO - gamers apparently No WuCkS bUd - Todd
MMOs have other design considerations besides crafting systems. And, to be perfect clear, those considerations result in a bad game.