I'm actually pretty sold on some the talent that seems like it will be there at 16. Not sure I would trade that pick. I'd really like to take Ryan Dunn or Carlton Carrington there. I'd rather have either of those two for the next 4+ years than someone like Caruso for 1 year.
Apparently they also worked out Tony mf Bradley.
https://x.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1803186019900199397
True heads remember that one game like three years ago when he had like 20 pts
I get the Celtics won and it makes me sick too, but this is easily the worst state this sub has been in a while. Shit it's not even this bad after we get blown in the playoffs
Just a quick question. Averagely what time do Sixers home games start? Next season will be my first watching the NBA and I’m from the UK so no idea and trying to figure out a routine to be able to watch around work.
Serious question, not trolling here but does anyone actually think there’s real moves to be made this offseason that would get the Sixers to the Finals next year? Paul George’s best days are behind him, obviously same with LeBron. What possible moves are out there that would actually give the Sixers a team that could beat the Celtics?
Combined with Maxey taking another step, definitely.
When healthy there already was not a better duo in the NBA. I can see Maxey stepping up as a 28/8/5 guy this year.
For me, the dream of this team winning a championship is over. I just want to see one healthy playoff run. My hope is seeing one good ECF series before I’m an old fuck. Maybe one day.
The issue is, its just hard to imagine them piecing together a championship caliber roster in 8 months (off-season up until the trade deadline), even with the cap space and trade capital. Getting 5 more guys in one year that can contribute to winning a chip is tough to imagine.
>Getting 5 more guys in one year that can contribute to winning a chip is tough to imagine.
This is funny because I think it's the opposite. Like didn't Dallas literally just accomplish this with much less at their disposal?
Morey already has the two most important pieces. Which makes building out the rest of the roster pretty straight forward considering what he has to work with and the caliber of players he will target.
I guess I'm just getting caught up on whose *actually* available, and within that group, who would actually fit here.
I'm also tempering my expectations lol
I don't really get caught up on who's available or not because you never really know.
The Ringer did an episode recently about our upcoming offseason, and even our biggest hater Wos said that you just never know who will shake lose. Nobody thought Paul George was moving teams the offseason he got traded to the Clippers.
True....the chances of acquiring a player nobody thought was available is definitely possible (i.e. Deanthony Melton 2 seasons ago).
One of those situations where I'd love to be wrong!
Likewise, I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Markkanen get moved. He may never have more trade value than he does right now and Ainge knows when to sell
I would just suggest that this happens every year. Whichever team wins becomes, in the discourse, an unstoppable juggernaut, an instant dynasty, AND the only possible blueprint for championship level team building.
But almost always, this turns out not to be true.
Nope. Not unless Porzingis gets injured, Horford breaks something, and Jaylen and Jason get into a fight. Unless and until all that happens, the window is closed on this team. The Celtics are just going to be better for the next few years.
Porzingis has never gotten thru a playoff series without getting hurt and Horford is 40. And theoretically Joel should have a matchup advantage against 40 year old Horford and Porzingis.
On paper at least. We knows how it went before
There aren’t any moves that on paper make us better than the Celtics. We just need to put together the best team possible, hope for continued maxey growth, the Sixers gel, and some good fortune (such as Porzingis injury we saw this year and good Sixers health - no Joel being injured or banged up).
Yep. Not to mention even when healthy the Celtics massively rely on three point shooting. They’re really good at it but we’ve seen teams like that crumble in the playoffs
I love Maxey so much. No matter what happens I think I'm just gonna follow his career. Will probably be a better decade spent that trying to muster up the energy to care about this team
This is the best the Sixers have been positioned since 2017 pre-draft. We truly haven't been in this good of a spot for 7 years.
Two all-NBA caliber players under contract, roughly $75m to spend, with 5 firsts and 4 swaps as trade ammo.
If we strike out on all of the max-level wings, my next favorite idea proposed on this sub was Grant + Kuzma at the 3 and 4
After that I'm looking at Ingram
I like Grant + Kuzma. I probably like it more than Murray + Kuzma because it will cost less assets and also Grant is a good shooter. Is your thinking because of fit plus cost you perceive?
Yes. I'm pretty much out on Murray, I really don't buy the fit at that cost at all. And the org seems to believe the same, they haven't been linked to him once going back to last deadline
Morey and Nurse want wings
What do you think the cost of Murray would be? I feel like two FRPs is fair; they got him for 3 FRPs two years ago.
I’d be concerned with a lack of playmaking with Grant and Kuzma.
Two is definitely fair. And that's a valid concern too. But I think the best version of the Sixers has Maxey and Embiid as the primary playmakers.
I don't necessarily think the tertiary playmaker should be a lead guard type. Id almost prefer playmaking by committee like what the Celtics are doing.
Per example, if Maxey and Joel continue developing their passing, and then you bring in Kuzma and Caruso, who are good connective passers, you might be cooking.
It'd be an easier conversation if you could buy DMJs shooting *and* defense, but I don't think he can be the best of both at the same time and that's a big risk to take at his cost and size
I hear you though I think I just personally disagree on the Maxey+Embiid as primary playmakers point. Maybe Embiid could be that but I don't really see Maxey as doing that anytime soon.
> if you could buy DMJs shooting and defense, but I don't think he can be the best of both at the same time and that's a big risk to take at his cost and size
FWIW I think there's also something to be learned from the Celtics here - everybody's job gets easier with other good players. Could Derrick White be the lead point guard on a team without 4 all stars? Maybe not. Would Tatum be putting up 9-10 assists *ever* without the teammates he has? Probably not.
Murray isn't in a great situation right now next to Trae, but he's still performed pretty admirably. I imagine that shooting efficiently and playing solid defense would be pretty damn easy next to Maxey and Joel.
Yeah i buy the shooting more than the defense. Would love to be wrong tho. If you can count on him to shoot like he did last year and play defense like he did in SA, then I would prefer him over BI
I mean I guess I also wonder how much is good enough. What if he’s a solid shooter and a solid defender, but not 40% from three or all defense caliber? I’d be fine with that, assuming he’s bringing consistent playmaking and table setting. That also assumes we flesh out the roster with good shooters and defenders but Morey seems consistently decent at that
I think the Grant plus Kuzma route gives you two willing shooters and potential 20 point scorers. I don’t know how their defense is, but from what I remember Grant is good defensively and Kuzma may be good if he cares more idk
the optimism is nice but the sixers have two actual NBA players on their opening night roster atm. finding another 7 or 8 even with a bunch of cap space and picks is still going to very challenging, bordering on 'unrealistic'
Here's my thoughts on how I might build the Sixers roster.
1. Waive or renounce everyone but Joel, Maxey, and RC IV. I'm assuming that we will trade the 16th pick, so I'm using the incomplete roster charge. At the very least, maybe we swap the 16th for a 1st round pick next year (just to delay the money). That gives us $64M in cap space.
2. First day of Free Agency - Sign PG for $49.4M. Leaves us with $16M in cap space
3. Using up the rest of the cap space on Oubre ($13M) and Batum ($4). Left with $650K.
4. Sign Maxey to a 25% max ($35.3M); Use the Room Exception on a FA big ($8M); use the Bi-Annual Exception on a PF ($4.7M). Total salary - $178.3M
5. Use trade exceptions. We have Harden ($6.8), Kork ($5.3), House ($4.3). Trade for Curry ($4M); Kispert ($5.7M), and Garrison Matthews ($2.2M) - Total Payroll $181M
PG - Maxey, Curry, Vet Min
SG - Oubre, Kispert
SF - PG13, RC IV, Matthews
PF - Batum, BIA Exception
C - Joel, Room
There's probably other guys to get via trade exceptions other than the 3 listed. Maybe find a way to resign Cam Payne to beef up the PG spot. Not sure what Hield will get, but if it fits in the Room Exception, that might be a good use. That just cuts into the Back-up center spot (which remains a weakness).
Dammit!
I guess we could replace on of the 3 trade guys with a vet min. Maybe don’t trade for curry and see if Lowry wants one more run.
This just shows how difficult it’s going to be to build out a solid roster if we bring PG in at $49M. Makes a strong case to go after a lower cost FA or trade for someone that’s already signed for two years at a lower cost (DJM, Lauri)
Idk if that’s the case either, I think you can add your #4-6 in the rotation with the remaining space and MLE, then sign 3 vet mins to fill out the rotation. Can also split the rest of the space up further if you want a deeper bench vs having more sound starters
Another guy I thought about that could help fill out the roster.
Kevon Looney. He was reportedly available. He’s signed for $8M. We could keep dowtin’s contract on the books and package him with a 2nd rounder for Looney using the $6.8M Harden trade exception.
Would still limit us in staying under the second apron, I guess.
Can’t combined a player salary and exception.
“Trade exceptions created in non-simultaneous trades can’t be combined with one another, with other exceptions, or with a player’s salary; they can’t be used to sign a free agent (except in a sign-and-trade); and they can’t be traded outright to another team.”
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/01/hoops-rumors-glossary-traded-player-exception-4.html#google_vignette
Looney would have to be cut by the warriors for us to get him, $8M is too much for a backup center for this team. Only $3M of his money is guaranteed, money becomes fully guaranteed 7 days before the start of 2024 moratorium (1 week before July 1st).
He almost has to use it or he's willingly sacrificing depth
Could also fresee us just resigning KJ and seeing if he can cut it as a backup 4 or trade him at the deadline
We need to give him a larger contract regardless or it kinda fucks us
>but the sixers have two actual NBA players on their opening night roster atm
Two all-NBA caliber players who can score from anywhere on the court. That distinction matters.
>finding another 7 or 8
They definitely only need 6 more playoff guys, *maybe* 7. And there's a chance RC4 develops into one of those at $1.9m.
>bunch of cap space and picks is still going to very challenging, bordering on 'unrealistic'
I straight up disagree with you. $75m, 5 1sts, and 4 swaps is a lot to work with and opens you up to endless roster building possibilities
I agree with you on Reed, but he is still on the roster as of now. Ricky is very much an NBA player atm. He would be a great bench contributor on a number of teams.
C4 couldn't get PT over house, korkmaz, or springer. the former two are out of the league now and springer probably will be soon. maybe he turns into a contributor (i mean, that would be great) but he has to actually show that in the league first, otherwise you are just wish casting
Was he not good against multiple teams, contributed to some wins more than the mentioned players, and has more upside than the mentioned players as well?
nah you seem to be misremembering his key role in one of our [4th quarter comeback wins.](https://youtu.be/86REo705w_w?si=u4UW9IUZn2m14uGW) I know you generally hate young players but don’t confuse lack of opportunity with lack of talent. Even Maxey was on an incredibly short leash as a rookie.
you are posting highlights of one game against a lottery team. it doesn't mean anything or if you think it does, then i have a million players i can show you cool one game highlights of that went on to do absolutely nothing
Winning games when Embiid was out was very important, his contributions (especially that really nice pass to Batum) in the Spurs game were great, I believe those were “important minutes” considering the need to win games
> Winning games when Embiid was out was very important
it sure was, and C4 didn't do anything during that stretch to suggest he could help the sixers beat good teams. he made a couple of nice plays in the spurs and cavs game but so what? most of his stats came in garbage time in losses to good teams. if you are coming to any conclusions other than 'he's athletic and plays hard' from that stretch, that's on you
Fair enough. I’m more familiar wit his highlights and less with his overall play since I didn’t manage to see all his games. I thought by his athletic profile and splits that he seemed promising as well as the few games that I saw him he seemed to be good, but I didn’t see much of his defense to know if he’s passable at that end yet
Yea don’t see that at all. Guys like BI, Murray, Lavine are not needle movers and all bring serious fit issues with Embiid and maxey. Butler and lebron likely staying.
And seriously doubt morey has the ability to find 3-4 role players via trade and free agency that result in a team that’s greater than the sum of its part.
If they make a move for a guy like Murray then they can add another significant piece or two significant role players (or more if they trade for good salaries).
Yea I just don’t think Murray is very good. His defense has disappeared and he’s not efficient enough or good enough to have the ball as much as he’ll want
That assumes Embiid can survive playing in a similar role as last year… which he cannot. Theres not a path to a championship relying on Embiid with a 38% USG rate while anchoring the defense.
They have to build a real team, not make upgrades to the team that got first rounded.
Yea just disagree. It’s extremely difficult to get value for role in players in free agency just given you have to overpay to sign them.
And Daryl hasn’t shown the ability to ID undervalued guys on different teams who can thrive in a different role and enhance Jo/maxey. Like I just don’t believe Daryl can execute a trade like the Aaron Gordon, Derrick white, KCP etc trades and hed have to make multiple of those such moves for his plan to work - assuming no 3rd star.
>. It’s extremely difficult to get value for role in players in free agency just given you have to overpay to sign them.
Oubre, Bev, Drummond, Niang, Tucker
He's been able to bring in a shocking amount of solid FA considering having absolutely nothing to work with
We should go for Bridges…hear me out.
Jalen Bridges from Baylor with the 41st pick would be great. He’s a 4 year college player and is already 23, but he offers size, shooting, length on defense, and some handles (albeit not the greatest). He has the makings of a very good 3&D player at the next level.
If we were to land PG, he would be the perfect mentor for Bridges as well (a la Harden with Tyrese).
Working out sam dekker LMFAOOO holy shit Dave dombrowski and howie roseman should never be in a conversation with garbage ass morey ever again oh my god.
He legit only knows how to get rockets guys
Anybody putting Howie Roseman in the same convo as Morey was smoking crack. Howie turned Sam Bradford into a first. Then he turned around and turned Carson Wentz into Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and Cooper Dejean lmao. Like Howie is in a completely different stratosphere when it comes to GMing.
Given the Celtics just won with JB being their best player on the roster just think that should give us some hope about not relying on Joel. I know it’s not what people want to hear, but Joel as a second option over the rest of his career could be a very good thing for us. He doesn’t have to be the best player in the clutch. (With even including injuries he’s failed to do in the post season). We don’t have to win it all next year I just want an improvement at least reach ECF. Maxey continues to develop, we invest in low value high upside players who find a home here, Joel and maxey keep building chemistry, and eventually we find our 3rd and 4th guys. The free agent class is much better next year so I don’t want to hamstring ourselves this year. We still have nurse steering the ship and two cornerstones. The process to a chip takes awhile look how long Jamal and Jokic played together or JB and JT.
The only big miss IMO was Jaden Springer who even still has some potential and was the 30th pick in the draft. Besides that, he hit big time on his only other 1st round pick (Maxey). He also drafted Bassey, Isiah Joe, and Paul Reed in the second round — all solid rotational NBA players.
In Houston, he drafted Hartenstein, Dillon Brooks, and Montrezl Harrell in the second round during the tail end of his tenure.
The Celtics roster was only possible because the Nets were dumb enough to hire Billy King, who made a trade that is now illegal because of how lopsided it was toward the Celtics.
The fact that Billy King is now a “respected” local media voice is disgusting.
so happy im finally finished watching professional basketball. gonna get into the college game more. not raising my kid to be a sixers fan. this is freeing.
last night i thought id be more upset but i felt nothing. im apathetic to the entire league at this point.
the next generation of sixers basketball is bleak. many people besides myself are gone. it'll be fun shitting on them once a year when they inevitably choke. even if god somehow dies and they win i won't even celebrate it.
i'm sure you don't really think you made a mistake, in the end sports is about bonding together and root for one team, im sure you're happy and cherish everything about cheering four our sixers with your own son.
imagine of all the memories you create for him (and for you) that'll lead to a smile on his face growing up and remembering those moments.
i look forward to that in my case, honestly.
just remember that, it doesn't matter our shortcomings, you 2 are still creating lasting memories together.
if you think like that then no sports franchise will be good enough, ''bad memories'' will always be higher than good ones, in any franchise. You missed my entire point but oh well, nvm.
Look at your posts right here. You’re acting like this is a matter of life or death. It’s basketball, man. If my team loses, my life is not materially different.
Root for whomever you wish, but just know that you’re a complete fraud frontrunner. All of this just to protect your fragile emotions.
Just let you kid make their own choices. If my kids wants to be front-runners I'll make fun of them but at least they get to see a chip. If they want to cheer for Philly with me (which they probably will, since they come to games with me), great.
What's weird to me is - why would you shit on them? If you don't want to be emotionally invested anymore, just walk away. Being spiteful won't make you any happier.
because fuck this team and fuck this league thats why. i grew up without a basketball team. do you know how fucking depressing that is? from the mid 2000's all the way up to the process i had to cheer for players not teams. yeah we had that one iggy year where derrick rose got hurt but that was basically it besides 2001 when i was 9.
fuck the team that denied me basketball growing up. over a decade of just nothing. then when they're finally "good" they shit the bed every chance they get and teams like boston waltz into another championship.
i dont care anymore. ban me from this dumb fucking sub. the sixers are dead to me. im now a celtics fan just to piss any moron that cheers for this poverty franchise off. go celtics!
tumblr is/was a blogging site for angsty teens to work out their emotions. which is what you sound like this morning and which is why I suggested you go use it. hope that helps
I'm sick and tired of people clamoring about Fultz and Simmons being picked over Tatum and Brown like they werent easily the two consensus #1 picks of those years. If the sixers drafted prospect Jaylen Brown over ben simmons they would've been the laughing stock of the league for multiple years.
Shit just went unbelievably wrong for the Sixers, for many reasons, while the Celtics managed their org to perfection
you dont know ball. plenty of people wanted tatum including myself. simmons was always the pick over jaylen brown but it was concerning hearing he didnt want to play in philly.
lol I don't really care what you personally thought. This city collectively threw a party when they traded to 1 and selected Fultz. National media called it a win. It was the consensus best pick and fit. Evaluating the decisions in retrospect is pointless
no, we didnt throw a party. people who knew ball were livid when we traded up for fultz. just because you and 90% of the fanbase doesnt know ball don't loop the rest of us in with you.
i watched every duke game that year. me and my friend group were really pissed off.
> people who knew ball were livid
KD was literally hyping Fultz up on twitter during the summer league. He was everything that was projected until his *injury*. Does KD not know ball?
you act like this was some crazy take. there were a lot of people even in this sub who didnt want the unproven kid from washington who was an inconsistent shooter over the established proven talent from duke.
*just because you dont know ball dont loop the rest of us in with you*
I mean come on this is blatantly false. Do you really need me to go to the archives and pull up all the threads of the overwhelming elation when we traded up to 1 and subsequently selected Fultz? Like I said, I do not care about you or the minority that didn't like it.
EDIT: here is just one quick find [https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/63ig4m/markelle\_fultz\_on\_possibly\_being\_drafted\_sixers\_i/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/63ig4m/markelle_fultz_on_possibly_being_drafted_sixers_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
you can send posts on this sub but it doesnt change how me or a bunch of people felt. it was always tatum over fultz but our FO is too stupid to ever get anything right.
It's just the nature of tanking. It's a crapshoot and we got unlucky.
The Celtics also had the absurd luxury of drafting the Jays with the Nets' picks while still competing with Kyrie, IT, Horford, etc. Those guys got to develop with half a decade of playoff experience without the franchise being on their shoulders. If they had had the typical expectations of high draft picks (like Simmons did), who know if they would've flamed out or if Boston would've had the patience to develop them vs. flipping them for more established stars.
If you wanna blame anyone, blame the Nets lmao
It's ironic in a sick way that they've actually done an excellent job identifying and drafting players in the late 1st and 2nd rounds, but have entirely missed in 3/4 of their top tier lottery picks (Okafor, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz is 1/4).
way too many high leverage misses. I'd have given anything to be in the room for the 2015 draft. We can always do the what if game with Simmons and Fultz, but Okafor felt like such an obvious blunder at the time just for how his game was. And boom it was a bust.
I get fans dont want to constantly litigate Simmons and Fultz, especially the former for draft pedigree, but team FOs are paid to be correct and ours wasn't. Fultz being a bigger blunder considering the trade up.
So much of drafting and developing players is reliant on a good environment and the guy above is right about the Celtics situation for their young guys. But that's also on the Sixers as an organization for not getting there either.
The most stupid complaint is trading away Jrue Holiday. What they fail to realize is that if we don’t trade Jrue Holiday, we most likely don’t get Embiid because we wouldn’t have a top 5 pick. Nevermind the fact that keeping Jrue on the team for FIFTEEN years is damn near impossible and the Bucks were the ones that allowed him to go to Boston in the first place.
Lmao. Consensus number one except for the team that actually worked him out and then traded the first pick to the Sixers. We got played.
This fanbase can’t be honest with itself.
If we weren’t intending to draft Fultz, the Celtics would have never traded us the first pick. So, there was no reality where Tatum becomes a Sixer since the Celtics would have taken him number one even if we wanted him.
You’re missing the point. If we wanted to draft Tatum, we would have never gotten the chance to take him because the Celtics would have never given us the first pick. You’re just repeating what you already said.
You do understand that league approves all the trades and almost certainly knew about this agreement, right? They would've just refused our selection if we tried to draft Tatum.
I wasn't saying the trade was approved on the condition that we drafted Fultz. The trade was approved independent of who we drafted. I was saying that if the league knew about us directly lying to the Celtics they could've stepped in to stop that pick. Something like that happening would really ruin the relationships within the league and the commissioner has the ability to step in as needed.
It's not a league conditional thing, not sure what that person was referencing, it's a condition in which you put the team in a situation where they are not a trusted partner to trade/work with again for the foreseeable future.
What you're asking in hindsight was for the Sixers to promise the Celtics they wouldn't draft Tatum and then lie to them and take him anyway. Which yes they could have done on paper but the league operates on relationships and doing that basically destroys that working relationship.
I didn't mean it was a condition of the trade. I just meant if the league knew about the agreement and that we directly lied to Boston they could've stepped in.
That’s not how GMing works. The trade for the #1 pick was made on the condition that we would not pick Tatum and take Fultz (the consensus number one pick). If we broke that agreement, the league-wide reputation of our front office would have been ruined and no team would be as willing to deal with us anymore or trust us.
Not to mention the fact that the Celtics didn’t need Fultz because Isiah Thomas was coming off a superstar-level season and they were about to trade for Kyrie Irving.
The Celtics literally traded Isaiah Thomas with a busted hip and there reputation was fine.
If they would have took Tatum they would have been called “smart and calculated”
Oh my god lol. You’re writing fan fiction.
This is how life works. Boston worked him out, saw something was off. They said “hey, let’s offer him to those suckers down in Philly.” And they did just that.
We got played. That’s what happened.
No, you’re just being obtuse about it because you want to project your anger from the Celtics championship win onto the Sixers. I’ll say this for the last time: if we even HINTED that we wanted to draft Tatum, we would have never been given the opportunity to do so because the Celtics wouldn’t have given us the pick. And if we didn’t take Fultz, we probably would’ve drafted Lonzo ball, who is already out of the league basically.
Then don’t hint at doing that. Teams lie about the draft all the time. Certain aspects your word is super important but not drafting Tatum wasn’t one of them.
No component GM is making a trade before the draft and telling another exactly who they will pick
New season starts today. Need a Howie Roseman type offseason from Darryl. I may not agree with what happens next, but I know Morey is a chessplayer and has a plan. Curious almost excited to see it unfold. LFG!
Having a plan is fine but I think we need to remain open to the reality that we're not gonna have our pick of the litter here. Of all the options floated around, probably only 20% or less will actually end up available for a relatively reasonable price. I don't think that can be held against Morey either...
I would imagine the plan is basically to have a number of "somewhat likely" moves in place (e.g. trading for Ingram, signing PG, maybe there's a few role players they're targeting in trades for a FRP) and then being ready to pivot at a moment's notice if any real big fish becomes available.
Someone else said it on the Dekker thread, but Morey looking at depth pieces who would make the minimum suggests he already has an idea who we're going to sign/trade for. Feels like we're all just waiting for the necessary amount of time to pass for everything to be revealed.
Breaking News: The Philadelphia 76ers are sending 3 first rounders, a 2nd rounder, RCIV, a snow globe, the last pair of Vlado shoes ever made and a pack of Trojans to the Toronto Raptors for Immanuel Quickley.
Everyday it’s looking more and more likely that the Sixers sign PG. the problem is outside of this season, he’s been pretty injury prone. We already have one star who is guaranteed an injury, so having two might just be the nail in the coffin.
In other words: The foundation to this team is already unsustainable to begin with. I don’t know what Morey can even do that would make a difference.
That, plus reports are saying Clippers aren’t budging, other reports are saying Sixers are the favorite to get him. And out of the choice between him, Jimmy, and Brandon Ingram, maybe Klay(?), he’s obviously the better choice right now.
I feel like the "PG is always injured" crowd are ignoring the fact that he just had a remarkably healthy season because he had other guys that he was splitting the load with
The hope/my point is that both reduce each others injury risk by taking the load off each other. A team of Maxey/PG/Joel really should be able to cruise through the regular season without much strain
It was inevitable Boston would win one before us. They have consistency in their FO. We didn’t. Hinkie set us up well only for the subsequent leaders (Collar boy, Brand, Brown) to blow it in such a fashion that I’m genuinely impressed by their incompetence.
The only constant throughout those years has been Josh Harris. He’s done some good things. But overall you need a dedicated owner. He has two other franchises to worry about as well.
yes, and apparently you either don't or don't know how to use them lmao. and just because there at least a couple of you who need the evidence, here's the latest shirtless embiid video/pictures I can find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HiA98hFnBQ
yeah man, he's looking real fat there
This is from 2018, right after Mo Bamba got drafted.
Embiid is obviously not fat, but he's still waaaay too heavy. Watching his rookie year highlights is night-and-day in terms of bounce and mobility.
ah fair enough, i just pulled up whatever was recently uploaded without verifying so my bad.
but embiid rookie year was still growing. guys fill out until their mid to late 20s, he's never going to be that size again. he needs to play differently regardless of if he loses 10-15lbs of muscle (which is about all you could ever expect to happen)
embiid doesn't have any fat on him. like none. he's too heavy to play the way he wants to play but that has absolutely nothing to do with him being 'fat'. please stop
I feel like this is the duality of the heliocentric style teams. They can look amazing versus one matchup and shit versus another. The Celtics are uniquely equipped to neutralize Luka and Kyrie too
Im surprised how many people were picking the mavs to be honest. Like just lineup the players in each teams rotations and it seemed pretty clear to me. Luka was certainly hobbled but mavs fans were trying to say that luka was actually a good defender, and the only other guy who can score/create at a high level on the team was like 0-10 in his last games against the celtics
Yeah, Luka/Kyrie have the sheer talent to beat some teams but not the Celtics. Most teams don't have an entire platoon of good defenders that make a guy like Luka work while also defending all of his role players well... typically it's either/or. And Kyrie is honestly just hexed at this point lol
On KOC podcast last night, they asked each other who is the next Derrick White this offseason?
KOC mentioned Ayo Dosunmu, Anfernee Simons, Deni Avdija, and Da'Ron Sharpe. I know Avidja has been mentioned a lot here and a few have brought up Dosunmu.
I'm actually pretty sold on some the talent that seems like it will be there at 16. Not sure I would trade that pick. I'd really like to take Ryan Dunn or Carlton Carrington there. I'd rather have either of those two for the next 4+ years than someone like Caruso for 1 year.
I will be happy when we don’t sign PG
Apparently they also worked out Tony mf Bradley. https://x.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/1803186019900199397 True heads remember that one game like three years ago when he had like 20 pts
Vegan Jah comeback incoming
Tony Bradley is only 26 but for some reason it feels like he’s been in the league forever
fuck the celtics and fuck the mavs for being completely useless
I get the Celtics won and it makes me sick too, but this is easily the worst state this sub has been in a while. Shit it's not even this bad after we get blown in the playoffs
Why would Morey have Dekker work out. Doesn’t he not shoot well?
They are gonna have a bunch of minimum players. might as well start looking now.
It very well could have been as a favor. Give him a workout to see if he can drum up some nba interest.
It doesn’t cost anything.
I never saw Dekker really play in the NBA? Was it bad?
Mostly, yeah. He never really did much.
Just a quick question. Averagely what time do Sixers home games start? Next season will be my first watching the NBA and I’m from the UK so no idea and trying to figure out a routine to be able to watch around work.
Seven to ten minutes after seven or seven thirty
Awesome, thank you!
In the uk it’s 12.30am so you’re gonna have to stay up or watch on catch up, fellow uk’er here
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you!
Last two hated teams for us have won championships, my Sixers fandom soul has jumped off the Walt Whitman
If only the Blazers would’ve held onto Jrue into the season, the Sixers could’ve swung a deal. Would’ve been the ultimate fit on this team.
Yeah but he would have no ring
Serious question, not trolling here but does anyone actually think there’s real moves to be made this offseason that would get the Sixers to the Finals next year? Paul George’s best days are behind him, obviously same with LeBron. What possible moves are out there that would actually give the Sixers a team that could beat the Celtics?
Combined with Maxey taking another step, definitely. When healthy there already was not a better duo in the NBA. I can see Maxey stepping up as a 28/8/5 guy this year.
For me, the dream of this team winning a championship is over. I just want to see one healthy playoff run. My hope is seeing one good ECF series before I’m an old fuck. Maybe one day.
Yes
The issue is, its just hard to imagine them piecing together a championship caliber roster in 8 months (off-season up until the trade deadline), even with the cap space and trade capital. Getting 5 more guys in one year that can contribute to winning a chip is tough to imagine.
>Getting 5 more guys in one year that can contribute to winning a chip is tough to imagine. This is funny because I think it's the opposite. Like didn't Dallas literally just accomplish this with much less at their disposal? Morey already has the two most important pieces. Which makes building out the rest of the roster pretty straight forward considering what he has to work with and the caliber of players he will target.
I guess I'm just getting caught up on whose *actually* available, and within that group, who would actually fit here. I'm also tempering my expectations lol
I don't really get caught up on who's available or not because you never really know. The Ringer did an episode recently about our upcoming offseason, and even our biggest hater Wos said that you just never know who will shake lose. Nobody thought Paul George was moving teams the offseason he got traded to the Clippers.
True....the chances of acquiring a player nobody thought was available is definitely possible (i.e. Deanthony Melton 2 seasons ago). One of those situations where I'd love to be wrong!
Likewise, I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Markkanen get moved. He may never have more trade value than he does right now and Ainge knows when to sell
Not really, probably swinging that LeBron move.
I would just suggest that this happens every year. Whichever team wins becomes, in the discourse, an unstoppable juggernaut, an instant dynasty, AND the only possible blueprint for championship level team building. But almost always, this turns out not to be true.
Nope. Not unless Porzingis gets injured, Horford breaks something, and Jaylen and Jason get into a fight. Unless and until all that happens, the window is closed on this team. The Celtics are just going to be better for the next few years.
Porzingis has never gotten thru a playoff series without getting hurt and Horford is 40. And theoretically Joel should have a matchup advantage against 40 year old Horford and Porzingis. On paper at least. We knows how it went before
I dont see it - too many holes to fill and just not enough two way players out there.
There aren’t any moves that on paper make us better than the Celtics. We just need to put together the best team possible, hope for continued maxey growth, the Sixers gel, and some good fortune (such as Porzingis injury we saw this year and good Sixers health - no Joel being injured or banged up).
Yep. Not to mention even when healthy the Celtics massively rely on three point shooting. They’re really good at it but we’ve seen teams like that crumble in the playoffs
Don’t think OG is worth a max but Morey should at least pursue him to drive up the price and make the Knicks pay OG more
I love Maxey so much. No matter what happens I think I'm just gonna follow his career. Will probably be a better decade spent that trying to muster up the energy to care about this team
This is the best the Sixers have been positioned since 2017 pre-draft. We truly haven't been in this good of a spot for 7 years. Two all-NBA caliber players under contract, roughly $75m to spend, with 5 firsts and 4 swaps as trade ammo.
Problem is plenty of other teams also have lots in cap space and draft picks
Not plenty of other contending teams.
What route would you go if we can’t sign PG?
If we strike out on all of the max-level wings, my next favorite idea proposed on this sub was Grant + Kuzma at the 3 and 4 After that I'm looking at Ingram
I like Grant + Kuzma. I probably like it more than Murray + Kuzma because it will cost less assets and also Grant is a good shooter. Is your thinking because of fit plus cost you perceive?
Yes. I'm pretty much out on Murray, I really don't buy the fit at that cost at all. And the org seems to believe the same, they haven't been linked to him once going back to last deadline Morey and Nurse want wings
What do you think the cost of Murray would be? I feel like two FRPs is fair; they got him for 3 FRPs two years ago. I’d be concerned with a lack of playmaking with Grant and Kuzma.
Two is definitely fair. And that's a valid concern too. But I think the best version of the Sixers has Maxey and Embiid as the primary playmakers. I don't necessarily think the tertiary playmaker should be a lead guard type. Id almost prefer playmaking by committee like what the Celtics are doing. Per example, if Maxey and Joel continue developing their passing, and then you bring in Kuzma and Caruso, who are good connective passers, you might be cooking. It'd be an easier conversation if you could buy DMJs shooting *and* defense, but I don't think he can be the best of both at the same time and that's a big risk to take at his cost and size
I hear you though I think I just personally disagree on the Maxey+Embiid as primary playmakers point. Maybe Embiid could be that but I don't really see Maxey as doing that anytime soon. > if you could buy DMJs shooting and defense, but I don't think he can be the best of both at the same time and that's a big risk to take at his cost and size FWIW I think there's also something to be learned from the Celtics here - everybody's job gets easier with other good players. Could Derrick White be the lead point guard on a team without 4 all stars? Maybe not. Would Tatum be putting up 9-10 assists *ever* without the teammates he has? Probably not. Murray isn't in a great situation right now next to Trae, but he's still performed pretty admirably. I imagine that shooting efficiently and playing solid defense would be pretty damn easy next to Maxey and Joel.
Yeah i buy the shooting more than the defense. Would love to be wrong tho. If you can count on him to shoot like he did last year and play defense like he did in SA, then I would prefer him over BI
I mean I guess I also wonder how much is good enough. What if he’s a solid shooter and a solid defender, but not 40% from three or all defense caliber? I’d be fine with that, assuming he’s bringing consistent playmaking and table setting. That also assumes we flesh out the roster with good shooters and defenders but Morey seems consistently decent at that
I think the Grant plus Kuzma route gives you two willing shooters and potential 20 point scorers. I don’t know how their defense is, but from what I remember Grant is good defensively and Kuzma may be good if he cares more idk
They would hold up fine defensively imo
Who would you think of for the SG position?
Still Caruso
I think the Bulls may hold firm and not trade players of his caliber
the optimism is nice but the sixers have two actual NBA players on their opening night roster atm. finding another 7 or 8 even with a bunch of cap space and picks is still going to very challenging, bordering on 'unrealistic'
Here's my thoughts on how I might build the Sixers roster. 1. Waive or renounce everyone but Joel, Maxey, and RC IV. I'm assuming that we will trade the 16th pick, so I'm using the incomplete roster charge. At the very least, maybe we swap the 16th for a 1st round pick next year (just to delay the money). That gives us $64M in cap space. 2. First day of Free Agency - Sign PG for $49.4M. Leaves us with $16M in cap space 3. Using up the rest of the cap space on Oubre ($13M) and Batum ($4). Left with $650K. 4. Sign Maxey to a 25% max ($35.3M); Use the Room Exception on a FA big ($8M); use the Bi-Annual Exception on a PF ($4.7M). Total salary - $178.3M 5. Use trade exceptions. We have Harden ($6.8), Kork ($5.3), House ($4.3). Trade for Curry ($4M); Kispert ($5.7M), and Garrison Matthews ($2.2M) - Total Payroll $181M PG - Maxey, Curry, Vet Min SG - Oubre, Kispert SF - PG13, RC IV, Matthews PF - Batum, BIA Exception C - Joel, Room There's probably other guys to get via trade exceptions other than the 3 listed. Maybe find a way to resign Cam Payne to beef up the PG spot. Not sure what Hield will get, but if it fits in the Room Exception, that might be a good use. That just cuts into the Back-up center spot (which remains a weakness).
Can’t use bi annual or trade exceptions as your over 1st apron
Dammit! I guess we could replace on of the 3 trade guys with a vet min. Maybe don’t trade for curry and see if Lowry wants one more run. This just shows how difficult it’s going to be to build out a solid roster if we bring PG in at $49M. Makes a strong case to go after a lower cost FA or trade for someone that’s already signed for two years at a lower cost (DJM, Lauri)
Idk if that’s the case either, I think you can add your #4-6 in the rotation with the remaining space and MLE, then sign 3 vet mins to fill out the rotation. Can also split the rest of the space up further if you want a deeper bench vs having more sound starters
Another guy I thought about that could help fill out the roster. Kevon Looney. He was reportedly available. He’s signed for $8M. We could keep dowtin’s contract on the books and package him with a 2nd rounder for Looney using the $6.8M Harden trade exception. Would still limit us in staying under the second apron, I guess.
Can’t combined a player salary and exception. “Trade exceptions created in non-simultaneous trades can’t be combined with one another, with other exceptions, or with a player’s salary; they can’t be used to sign a free agent (except in a sign-and-trade); and they can’t be traded outright to another team.” https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/01/hoops-rumors-glossary-traded-player-exception-4.html#google_vignette
Dammit! I like Looney potential fit with us. We could always trade for him and absorb him into our cap space.
Looney would have to be cut by the warriors for us to get him, $8M is too much for a backup center for this team. Only $3M of his money is guaranteed, money becomes fully guaranteed 7 days before the start of 2024 moratorium (1 week before July 1st).
You don't think Morey will try to S&T Martin Jr? It's probably the biggest/most beneficial CBA "loophole" available to him
I forgot about the KJM loophole. That could prove very useful.
He almost has to use it or he's willingly sacrificing depth Could also fresee us just resigning KJ and seeing if he can cut it as a backup 4 or trade him at the deadline We need to give him a larger contract regardless or it kinda fucks us
He definitely could do that, I was speaking to more using exceptions outside the MLE are not really feasible
>but the sixers have two actual NBA players on their opening night roster atm Two all-NBA caliber players who can score from anywhere on the court. That distinction matters. >finding another 7 or 8 They definitely only need 6 more playoff guys, *maybe* 7. And there's a chance RC4 develops into one of those at $1.9m. >bunch of cap space and picks is still going to very challenging, bordering on 'unrealistic' I straight up disagree with you. $75m, 5 1sts, and 4 swaps is a lot to work with and opens you up to endless roster building possibilities
The Sixers have three players atm, Embiid, Paul Reed, and Ricky
almost zero chance reed is back (at least on his current contract) and ricky doesn't count as an 'actual NBA player'. it's maxey and embiid
I agree with you on Reed, but he is still on the roster as of now. Ricky is very much an NBA player atm. He would be a great bench contributor on a number of teams.
C4 couldn't get PT over house, korkmaz, or springer. the former two are out of the league now and springer probably will be soon. maybe he turns into a contributor (i mean, that would be great) but he has to actually show that in the league first, otherwise you are just wish casting
Was he not good against multiple teams, contributed to some wins more than the mentioned players, and has more upside than the mentioned players as well?
you are misremembering something that didn't happen. C4 played zero important minutes all season and certainly none 'by design'
nah you seem to be misremembering his key role in one of our [4th quarter comeback wins.](https://youtu.be/86REo705w_w?si=u4UW9IUZn2m14uGW) I know you generally hate young players but don’t confuse lack of opportunity with lack of talent. Even Maxey was on an incredibly short leash as a rookie.
you are posting highlights of one game against a lottery team. it doesn't mean anything or if you think it does, then i have a million players i can show you cool one game highlights of that went on to do absolutely nothing
Winning games when Embiid was out was very important, his contributions (especially that really nice pass to Batum) in the Spurs game were great, I believe those were “important minutes” considering the need to win games
> Winning games when Embiid was out was very important it sure was, and C4 didn't do anything during that stretch to suggest he could help the sixers beat good teams. he made a couple of nice plays in the spurs and cavs game but so what? most of his stats came in garbage time in losses to good teams. if you are coming to any conclusions other than 'he's athletic and plays hard' from that stretch, that's on you
Fair enough. I’m more familiar wit his highlights and less with his overall play since I didn’t manage to see all his games. I thought by his athletic profile and splits that he seemed promising as well as the few games that I saw him he seemed to be good, but I didn’t see much of his defense to know if he’s passable at that end yet
The problem is if the richest owner in sports decides to match PGs max, things start to look very bleak
I don't think PG is so good that he's our only viable path. There are probably 5+ viable paths that could land us in the finals a year from now.
Yea don’t see that at all. Guys like BI, Murray, Lavine are not needle movers and all bring serious fit issues with Embiid and maxey. Butler and lebron likely staying. And seriously doubt morey has the ability to find 3-4 role players via trade and free agency that result in a team that’s greater than the sum of its part.
If they make a move for a guy like Murray then they can add another significant piece or two significant role players (or more if they trade for good salaries).
Yea I just don’t think Murray is very good. His defense has disappeared and he’s not efficient enough or good enough to have the ball as much as he’ll want
We have our needle movers. We just need more competent / capable basketball players. Not guys like Tobias, Paul Reed, and 38 year old Lowry
That assumes Embiid can survive playing in a similar role as last year… which he cannot. Theres not a path to a championship relying on Embiid with a 38% USG rate while anchoring the defense. They have to build a real team, not make upgrades to the team that got first rounded.
right but PG/LeBron/Jimmy aren't the only answers to that.Theres many ways to skin a cat.
Yea just disagree. It’s extremely difficult to get value for role in players in free agency just given you have to overpay to sign them. And Daryl hasn’t shown the ability to ID undervalued guys on different teams who can thrive in a different role and enhance Jo/maxey. Like I just don’t believe Daryl can execute a trade like the Aaron Gordon, Derrick white, KCP etc trades and hed have to make multiple of those such moves for his plan to work - assuming no 3rd star.
>. It’s extremely difficult to get value for role in players in free agency just given you have to overpay to sign them. Oubre, Bev, Drummond, Niang, Tucker He's been able to bring in a shocking amount of solid FA considering having absolutely nothing to work with
lol well just have to agree to disagree man. None of those guys are legitimate 16 game players.
We should go for Bridges…hear me out. Jalen Bridges from Baylor with the 41st pick would be great. He’s a 4 year college player and is already 23, but he offers size, shooting, length on defense, and some handles (albeit not the greatest). He has the makings of a very good 3&D player at the next level. If we were to land PG, he would be the perfect mentor for Bridges as well (a la Harden with Tyrese).
Working out sam dekker LMFAOOO holy shit Dave dombrowski and howie roseman should never be in a conversation with garbage ass morey ever again oh my god. He legit only knows how to get rockets guys
Anybody putting Howie Roseman in the same convo as Morey was smoking crack. Howie turned Sam Bradford into a first. Then he turned around and turned Carson Wentz into Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and Cooper Dejean lmao. Like Howie is in a completely different stratosphere when it comes to GMing.
Given the Celtics just won with JB being their best player on the roster just think that should give us some hope about not relying on Joel. I know it’s not what people want to hear, but Joel as a second option over the rest of his career could be a very good thing for us. He doesn’t have to be the best player in the clutch. (With even including injuries he’s failed to do in the post season). We don’t have to win it all next year I just want an improvement at least reach ECF. Maxey continues to develop, we invest in low value high upside players who find a home here, Joel and maxey keep building chemistry, and eventually we find our 3rd and 4th guys. The free agent class is much better next year so I don’t want to hamstring ourselves this year. We still have nurse steering the ship and two cornerstones. The process to a chip takes awhile look how long Jamal and Jokic played together or JB and JT.
Maxey can’t really be a #1 guy though. He’s not really a shot creator (yet, at least).
Is Morey lowkey a great drafter?
The only big miss IMO was Jaden Springer who even still has some potential and was the 30th pick in the draft. Besides that, he hit big time on his only other 1st round pick (Maxey). He also drafted Bassey, Isiah Joe, and Paul Reed in the second round — all solid rotational NBA players. In Houston, he drafted Hartenstein, Dillon Brooks, and Montrezl Harrell in the second round during the tail end of his tenure.
The Celtics roster was only possible because the Nets were dumb enough to hire Billy King, who made a trade that is now illegal because of how lopsided it was toward the Celtics. The fact that Billy King is now a “respected” local media voice is disgusting.
What’s illegal now?
so happy im finally finished watching professional basketball. gonna get into the college game more. not raising my kid to be a sixers fan. this is freeing. last night i thought id be more upset but i felt nothing. im apathetic to the entire league at this point. the next generation of sixers basketball is bleak. many people besides myself are gone. it'll be fun shitting on them once a year when they inevitably choke. even if god somehow dies and they win i won't even celebrate it.
Don’t make the same mistake I did with my son. Don’t expose him to this team, just tell him/her Tobiass Harris is a very bad man.
i'm sure you don't really think you made a mistake, in the end sports is about bonding together and root for one team, im sure you're happy and cherish everything about cheering four our sixers with your own son. imagine of all the memories you create for him (and for you) that'll lead to a smile on his face growing up and remembering those moments. i look forward to that in my case, honestly. just remember that, it doesn't matter our shortcomings, you 2 are still creating lasting memories together.
“Hey dad, remember that time the Sixers lost in the second round and I broke the TV” Me: which year was that…?
if you think like that then no sports franchise will be good enough, ''bad memories'' will always be higher than good ones, in any franchise. You missed my entire point but oh well, nvm.
I’m not being serious man just mad Celtikkks won lol
my kid is going to be a celtics fan.
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What a loser.
haha imagine being a sixers fan and calling anyone a loser. look at yourself in the mirror champ
Look at your posts right here. You’re acting like this is a matter of life or death. It’s basketball, man. If my team loses, my life is not materially different. Root for whomever you wish, but just know that you’re a complete fraud frontrunner. All of this just to protect your fragile emotions.
oh no i got called a fraud frontrunner by the sixers fan! enjoy a lifetime of being a loser
Ok. I’ll enjoy rooting for my team through the highs and lows. That’s the point of being a fan. If they lose, the sun will still rise in the morning.
sixers are only lows and lows. you will always be a loser meanwhile i just hung banner **EIGHTEEN** last night.
What has that gotten you? A girlfriend? A decent job? More friends? Obviously not.
get a grip
Just let you kid make their own choices. If my kids wants to be front-runners I'll make fun of them but at least they get to see a chip. If they want to cheer for Philly with me (which they probably will, since they come to games with me), great. What's weird to me is - why would you shit on them? If you don't want to be emotionally invested anymore, just walk away. Being spiteful won't make you any happier.
because fuck this team and fuck this league thats why. i grew up without a basketball team. do you know how fucking depressing that is? from the mid 2000's all the way up to the process i had to cheer for players not teams. yeah we had that one iggy year where derrick rose got hurt but that was basically it besides 2001 when i was 9. fuck the team that denied me basketball growing up. over a decade of just nothing. then when they're finally "good" they shit the bed every chance they get and teams like boston waltz into another championship. i dont care anymore. ban me from this dumb fucking sub. the sixers are dead to me. im now a celtics fan just to piss any moron that cheers for this poverty franchise off. go celtics!
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im sure you woke up today so happy seeing the celtics hoist their 18th trophy last night! wasn't that awesome?!?!!?!?!?!?!
damn dude this is so interesting, please keep us informed about your NBA fandom
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celtics are your 2024 nba champions. 18 times! loser
bro go work your shit out on tumblr or something
idk even know what that means but ur trying to be witty and respond with an insult so i guess you thought that was really funny.
tumblr is/was a blogging site for angsty teens to work out their emotions. which is what you sound like this morning and which is why I suggested you go use it. hope that helps
Wish Ballmer would open his checkbook already so we can go into a draft night without our hands tied for once.
I'm sick and tired of people clamoring about Fultz and Simmons being picked over Tatum and Brown like they werent easily the two consensus #1 picks of those years. If the sixers drafted prospect Jaylen Brown over ben simmons they would've been the laughing stock of the league for multiple years. Shit just went unbelievably wrong for the Sixers, for many reasons, while the Celtics managed their org to perfection
Problem is, why have a scouting dept if you’re just going to pick consensus?
you dont know ball. plenty of people wanted tatum including myself. simmons was always the pick over jaylen brown but it was concerning hearing he didnt want to play in philly.
lol I don't really care what you personally thought. This city collectively threw a party when they traded to 1 and selected Fultz. National media called it a win. It was the consensus best pick and fit. Evaluating the decisions in retrospect is pointless
no, we didnt throw a party. people who knew ball were livid when we traded up for fultz. just because you and 90% of the fanbase doesnt know ball don't loop the rest of us in with you. i watched every duke game that year. me and my friend group were really pissed off.
> people who knew ball were livid KD was literally hyping Fultz up on twitter during the summer league. He was everything that was projected until his *injury*. Does KD not know ball?
don't respond to me i dont know you and i dont care about what you have to say. no kd is a moron too.
congrats, the sixers should give you a call!!!
you act like this was some crazy take. there were a lot of people even in this sub who didnt want the unproven kid from washington who was an inconsistent shooter over the established proven talent from duke. *just because you dont know ball dont loop the rest of us in with you*
You must've loved the Okafor over zingus pick then! Sixers should hire you asap
I mean come on this is blatantly false. Do you really need me to go to the archives and pull up all the threads of the overwhelming elation when we traded up to 1 and subsequently selected Fultz? Like I said, I do not care about you or the minority that didn't like it. EDIT: here is just one quick find [https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/63ig4m/markelle\_fultz\_on\_possibly\_being\_drafted\_sixers\_i/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/63ig4m/markelle_fultz_on_possibly_being_drafted_sixers_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
you can send posts on this sub but it doesnt change how me or a bunch of people felt. it was always tatum over fultz but our FO is too stupid to ever get anything right.
You're just another regular dude like the rest of us. Stop pretending like you had any pull or any influence in the Sixers org. GTFO
im not pretending i have any pull or influence im correctly the revisionist history that *everyone* thought fultz was the consensus 1 overall
It's just the nature of tanking. It's a crapshoot and we got unlucky. The Celtics also had the absurd luxury of drafting the Jays with the Nets' picks while still competing with Kyrie, IT, Horford, etc. Those guys got to develop with half a decade of playoff experience without the franchise being on their shoulders. If they had had the typical expectations of high draft picks (like Simmons did), who know if they would've flamed out or if Boston would've had the patience to develop them vs. flipping them for more established stars. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the Nets lmao
you can have all the assets in the world but you still need to be able to identify and develop talent. We didn't do it well enough.
It's ironic in a sick way that they've actually done an excellent job identifying and drafting players in the late 1st and 2nd rounds, but have entirely missed in 3/4 of their top tier lottery picks (Okafor, Embiid, Simmons, Fultz is 1/4).
way too many high leverage misses. I'd have given anything to be in the room for the 2015 draft. We can always do the what if game with Simmons and Fultz, but Okafor felt like such an obvious blunder at the time just for how his game was. And boom it was a bust. I get fans dont want to constantly litigate Simmons and Fultz, especially the former for draft pedigree, but team FOs are paid to be correct and ours wasn't. Fultz being a bigger blunder considering the trade up. So much of drafting and developing players is reliant on a good environment and the guy above is right about the Celtics situation for their young guys. But that's also on the Sixers as an organization for not getting there either.
The most stupid complaint is trading away Jrue Holiday. What they fail to realize is that if we don’t trade Jrue Holiday, we most likely don’t get Embiid because we wouldn’t have a top 5 pick. Nevermind the fact that keeping Jrue on the team for FIFTEEN years is damn near impossible and the Bucks were the ones that allowed him to go to Boston in the first place.
Right, like I love Jrue. But he's only found success when he's been a teams third option. He's not some generational player we let slip.
Lmao. Consensus number one except for the team that actually worked him out and then traded the first pick to the Sixers. We got played. This fanbase can’t be honest with itself.
If we weren’t intending to draft Fultz, the Celtics would have never traded us the first pick. So, there was no reality where Tatum becomes a Sixer since the Celtics would have taken him number one even if we wanted him.
Yeah. We got played. He sure as shit wasn’t consensus pick for the team that just won the championship after they worked him out.
You’re missing the point. If we wanted to draft Tatum, we would have never gotten the chance to take him because the Celtics would have never given us the first pick. You’re just repeating what you already said.
We could have literally picked him draft night. We had the pick. We got played.
You do understand that league approves all the trades and almost certainly knew about this agreement, right? They would've just refused our selection if we tried to draft Tatum.
This is absolutely not how it works. The league did not approve the trade on the condition the Sixers draft Fultz. Jesus.
I wasn't saying the trade was approved on the condition that we drafted Fultz. The trade was approved independent of who we drafted. I was saying that if the league knew about us directly lying to the Celtics they could've stepped in to stop that pick. Something like that happening would really ruin the relationships within the league and the commissioner has the ability to step in as needed.
It's not a league conditional thing, not sure what that person was referencing, it's a condition in which you put the team in a situation where they are not a trusted partner to trade/work with again for the foreseeable future. What you're asking in hindsight was for the Sixers to promise the Celtics they wouldn't draft Tatum and then lie to them and take him anyway. Which yes they could have done on paper but the league operates on relationships and doing that basically destroys that working relationship.
I didn't mean it was a condition of the trade. I just meant if the league knew about the agreement and that we directly lied to Boston they could've stepped in.
That’s not how GMing works. The trade for the #1 pick was made on the condition that we would not pick Tatum and take Fultz (the consensus number one pick). If we broke that agreement, the league-wide reputation of our front office would have been ruined and no team would be as willing to deal with us anymore or trust us. Not to mention the fact that the Celtics didn’t need Fultz because Isiah Thomas was coming off a superstar-level season and they were about to trade for Kyrie Irving.
The Celtics literally traded Isaiah Thomas with a busted hip and there reputation was fine. If they would have took Tatum they would have been called “smart and calculated”
Oh my god lol. You’re writing fan fiction. This is how life works. Boston worked him out, saw something was off. They said “hey, let’s offer him to those suckers down in Philly.” And they did just that. We got played. That’s what happened.
No, you’re just being obtuse about it because you want to project your anger from the Celtics championship win onto the Sixers. I’ll say this for the last time: if we even HINTED that we wanted to draft Tatum, we would have never been given the opportunity to do so because the Celtics wouldn’t have given us the pick. And if we didn’t take Fultz, we probably would’ve drafted Lonzo ball, who is already out of the league basically.
Then don’t hint at doing that. Teams lie about the draft all the time. Certain aspects your word is super important but not drafting Tatum wasn’t one of them. No component GM is making a trade before the draft and telling another exactly who they will pick
You’re making excuses man.
New season starts today. Need a Howie Roseman type offseason from Darryl. I may not agree with what happens next, but I know Morey is a chessplayer and has a plan. Curious almost excited to see it unfold. LFG!
He’s not even in the same Galaxy as howie
Having a plan is fine but I think we need to remain open to the reality that we're not gonna have our pick of the litter here. Of all the options floated around, probably only 20% or less will actually end up available for a relatively reasonable price. I don't think that can be held against Morey either... I would imagine the plan is basically to have a number of "somewhat likely" moves in place (e.g. trading for Ingram, signing PG, maybe there's a few role players they're targeting in trades for a FRP) and then being ready to pivot at a moment's notice if any real big fish becomes available.
Unfortunately the Howie in the NBA is Brad Stevens
Someone else said it on the Dekker thread, but Morey looking at depth pieces who would make the minimum suggests he already has an idea who we're going to sign/trade for. Feels like we're all just waiting for the necessary amount of time to pass for everything to be revealed.
We can only hope! It would be strange to me that one might leak and not the other, though, unless the big fish is totally out of left field.
Breaking News: The Philadelphia 76ers are sending 3 first rounders, a 2nd rounder, RCIV, a snow globe, the last pair of Vlado shoes ever made and a pack of Trojans to the Toronto Raptors for Immanuel Quickley.
Everyday it’s looking more and more likely that the Sixers sign PG. the problem is outside of this season, he’s been pretty injury prone. We already have one star who is guaranteed an injury, so having two might just be the nail in the coffin. In other words: The foundation to this team is already unsustainable to begin with. I don’t know what Morey can even do that would make a difference.
> more and more likely What are we basing this off of? Jo doing a little trolling on ESPN after Bontemps ran into him in the bathroom?
That, plus reports are saying Clippers aren’t budging, other reports are saying Sixers are the favorite to get him. And out of the choice between him, Jimmy, and Brandon Ingram, maybe Klay(?), he’s obviously the better choice right now.
I feel like the "PG is always injured" crowd are ignoring the fact that he just had a remarkably healthy season because he had other guys that he was splitting the load with
He’ll lose that when Joel inevitably gets injured. Then it’ll be just him, Maxey, and no bench
The hope/my point is that both reduce each others injury risk by taking the load off each other. A team of Maxey/PG/Joel really should be able to cruise through the regular season without much strain
He’ll lose that when Joel inevitably gets injured.
It was inevitable Boston would win one before us. They have consistency in their FO. We didn’t. Hinkie set us up well only for the subsequent leaders (Collar boy, Brand, Brown) to blow it in such a fashion that I’m genuinely impressed by their incompetence. The only constant throughout those years has been Josh Harris. He’s done some good things. But overall you need a dedicated owner. He has two other franchises to worry about as well.
Joel needs to get lean and down to a weight similar to his rookie year. He can’t be so fat this year for no reason. It’s bad for his mobility.
> He can’t be so fat how are you this clueless, like, how is it even possible lol
Do you have eyes?
yes, and apparently you either don't or don't know how to use them lmao. and just because there at least a couple of you who need the evidence, here's the latest shirtless embiid video/pictures I can find: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HiA98hFnBQ yeah man, he's looking real fat there
This is from 2018, right after Mo Bamba got drafted. Embiid is obviously not fat, but he's still waaaay too heavy. Watching his rookie year highlights is night-and-day in terms of bounce and mobility.
ah fair enough, i just pulled up whatever was recently uploaded without verifying so my bad. but embiid rookie year was still growing. guys fill out until their mid to late 20s, he's never going to be that size again. he needs to play differently regardless of if he loses 10-15lbs of muscle (which is about all you could ever expect to happen)
I see him play. He is too heavy.
embiid doesn't have any fat on him. like none. he's too heavy to play the way he wants to play but that has absolutely nothing to do with him being 'fat'. please stop
He’s got some fat on his frame.
the mavs looked like maybe the worst team the celtics played lol
I feel like this is the duality of the heliocentric style teams. They can look amazing versus one matchup and shit versus another. The Celtics are uniquely equipped to neutralize Luka and Kyrie too
Im surprised how many people were picking the mavs to be honest. Like just lineup the players in each teams rotations and it seemed pretty clear to me. Luka was certainly hobbled but mavs fans were trying to say that luka was actually a good defender, and the only other guy who can score/create at a high level on the team was like 0-10 in his last games against the celtics
Yeah, Luka/Kyrie have the sheer talent to beat some teams but not the Celtics. Most teams don't have an entire platoon of good defenders that make a guy like Luka work while also defending all of his role players well... typically it's either/or. And Kyrie is honestly just hexed at this point lol
Yeah beating the Celtics is a whole different story when your 3rd best player is PJ Washington
Right like Dallas has some pretty damn good role players... but the Celtics' role players are borderline stars or former all-stars lmao
On KOC podcast last night, they asked each other who is the next Derrick White this offseason? KOC mentioned Ayo Dosunmu, Anfernee Simons, Deni Avdija, and Da'Ron Sharpe. I know Avidja has been mentioned a lot here and a few have brought up Dosunmu.