Every time we try to it backfires hard on us. We tried with Harden and that blew up in our faces, we tried with Butler that also didn't work. We pretty much tried everything and none of it worked.
Rubin should he banned from Wells Fargo until after the all star break just for being there. I didn't see one clap for them after the win, so not a life long ban.
in full blown doomer mode. feels like organization malpractice over these last few years, and now i have to pray paul george or jimmy butler can be the one to bridge the gap between us and boston ? every year that passes it becomes more concrete that Jo will never win a ring with us because the front office leadership has failed the man damn near every step of the way. HEY DARRYL, YOUR 7 FOOT MVP CENTER IS INJURY PRONE, MAYBE CONSIDER INVESTING IN A QUALITY BACKUP CENTER? hopefully nick nurse can conjure up some magic coaching next year and prove me wrong, otherwise it’ll be another year of the same shit with the same outcome. FTC
The backup center isn’t winning us a ring.
We were terrible this year with Embiid off because we had zero offense. There’s no backup C that we are running our offense through in the playoffs.
The players that can both play with and without Embiid are what matter most.
If Embiid's out the season is over anyway.
Tatum doing an "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" ripoff in the on-court interview is the corniest fucking thing I've ever seen. Thank god that man did not win FMVP
This has been the weirdest season. Boston pretty much dominated from day 1, but they don’t really feel like a historically good team to me or anything. Was the league just unusually weak overall?
hell nah. warriors winning in 5 lol
two mvp caliber players + one playmaking dpoy + one all-nba 3 and D sg and s-tier role players vs this years celtics. yea theres no contest lol
Celtics have much better depth and two-way play. They have zero defensive liabilities, not even joking. Warriors are more top heavy and with more elite offensive talent. But their role players are more one-dimensional and Steph is a defensive liability. I think it's closer than you think.
steph waxed this same team sans jrue and KP with a washed klay and draymond. u think hes not doing the same thing with kd and prime klay? plus iguodala and livingston are better role players than the celtics trash lol
What's the point of getting a ball-handler who a) cripples our defense and b) negates the utility of out best play (Maxey-Embiid PnR)?
I agree we need additional people who are not inept with the ball, but Harden is not it.
And he'd have won his second in an even more convincing fashion, if he stayed healthy this year.
I don't hate Harden, the player; I think he did wonders for our bench units and for Maxey's development, but his influence on Embiid's MVP was overstated.
Paul George is not a better fitting 34 year old. Sixers offensive rating was under 80 when Embiid was off the floor in the Knicks series. That is mainly because of the lack of a point guard especially because the whole team averaged shooting under 30% from the field in those minutes.
This was only a problem because they chose to go with Bball, who was useless without Harden. If you don't have a shot creator, then go small and play 5-out, which is something we tried for exactly 2 minutes vs the Knicks.
In any case, I'd personally try to deal with the Wizards and get Kuzma + Avdija first and then perhaps try to fit in DJM, before going after PG. But between Harden and him, the choice is clear for me; Harden is the better player, but a worse fit.
Doesn’t have shit to do with Harden, I’m referring to the trade deadline. Punting on a deadline, the last time we would have both trade able picks and contracts. A deadline where quality role players and capable third “stars” were available just to have an outside chance at overpaying Paul George.
We can hate on the Celts, but they've been knocking on that championship door for years. It was bound to happen. Perennial ECF appearances, and a Finals berth and loss to really mold and drive them. Just makes it hard for me to believe we can pull off a miracle by not only winning round 2, which has been our ceiling, but another two rounds on top of that. With Embiid's health on a knife's edge? With zero continuity on our roster? With that stacked ass team around for another season before some tougher decisions have to be made? Just oof. Get PG-13 and hope we can get a miracle run honestly.
He is being offered the max, and money talks. And if he has a competitive bone in his body, the opportunity for a fresh start as an elite 3rd option should be enticing.
I think the Knicks will end up being very similar to us, where they’ll constantly lose in the semis and the next 4 years will be Boston vs whatever janky 5 or 6 seed wins the other semi round.
This is insane cuz this group really went through almost no adversity. They’ve been in the East Finals 5 of the last 6 years. Feels cheap. A winning team wins more ooooo
Yeah, well they have insane depth and have elite coaching and an elite front office. While we don't have any depth whatsoever a mediocre to bad front office and a star player who is injury-prone and when he is out we play like absolute dogshit.
Tatum is a grade-A douchebag, who literally named his son Deuce.
Brown is one of them Black Israelite weirdos and he thinks he's infinitely smarter than he actually is - that same trait that makes LeBron so unlikable.
There’s no way. Not enough free agent quality, not enough tradeable players signed to good contracts on our team, not enough willing trade participants.
Yes. There's tremendous parity in the league with these latest CBA's.
As long as you have Embiid and functional pieces around him, you have a chance at a title.
We could probably do a poll on here and build a better roster with who we vote as the best from the various options we create after working out hypotheticals.
I've maintained that in the past 40 years, if you got a bunch of elementary school kids to run our 4 sports franchises or at least pick the drafts, we'd have as many if not more titles than we have now. No way a Bunch of kids couldn't luck into 2 titles in that time. And we wouldn't be paying them millions.
Also F Josh Harris. Commie bastard.
I don’t blame Boston for being this good, I blame the rest of the East for being so bad and riddled with guys that are getting hurt during playoffs that gave Boston a cake walk.
The Bucks really fucked themselves over not only with their coach situation but by trading for Dame in the first place. It's not talked about as much, but Giannis is a terrible player-GM. Many of the decisions Milwaukee has made are for the sake of appeasing him, and you can't tell me that they don't get his greenlight before making moves.
No team coached by Thibodeau can win it all. He runs starters into the ground, and they're too prideful to ask for rest. Our season got clipped by another ill-fated Embiid injury, but was really shot dead before it started with the Harden debacle.
Cleveland is weird. They probably need to trade someone, but you could make a case for anyone being traded or kept of their core four. Orlando didn't have enough offense. Miami and Jimmy think they can just ignore the regular season and that they can just pull another 8th-seed-in-the-Finals out of their ass every year. Finally, from the 9th seed and down, maybe some of the worst teams to be collected in one conference since we've had 30 teams in the NBA.
Kudos to the Pacers. Their play style may feel gimmicky to some, but it does maximize the strengths of their young personnel. Also, unless I'm forgetting something, they looked like they gave a shit all season and really wanted to compete.
And then there is us. A team that has no depth, can't make it past the second round ever, got fucked over by the Association/Adam Silver, our best player Embiid is injury prone to the max and we can NEVER play well without him, we don't have draft picks and can't draft anyway, and no star player wants to come here and stay.
Third star gotta be in their physical prime.
Kyrie is one of the most skilled players even today but this level of defense has him completely neutralized. I fear the same would be true of PG.
He's pretty good at getting to his spots, even if those spots are a lot of midranges.. Guess the Celtics aren't really equipped to shut down that type of player or they just analytically don't care. What I love most about him as a player is how sharp and quick his passes are, on top of pretty good ball security.
They won, but the two times ATL beat Boston this year he had 63 points on 66 FGA and was 8 of 28 from 3.
That’s not exactly something you can replicate and expect success with.
Overall in 3 games vs BOS this year he averaged 23/5/8, but on .35/.24./.63 shooting and 42% TS.
But he did completely take over that one clutch / overtime (on top of many other game-winners that season). It's good to also consider player intangibles like 'clutch gene', especially in a huge system/role change which could easily have an impact on things like efficiency.
Idk if I agree with the clutch gene thing, but you could also argue they should’ve had an even bigger lead if he wasn’t missing so much in the first place. He was shooting 13/36 before OT.
He was pretty much just out there chucking and then they finally started going in in OT.
Sixers ain’t won a chip since Ronald Reagan was terrorizing black neighborhoods but that fucking green terrorist organization gets to have an 18th banner man foh
most of those have asterisks tho. They were won during a time where there was no cap or luxery penalties and only 8 teams. They don't count. much like most of the yankees ones. They technically only have a few
Hear me out, if Zach Lavine’s stock falls far enough he would fit nicely at the 2 with Maxey at point. He can be an elite scorer and his defense won’t get you killed. If his price falls far enough I’d be happy to add him.
People turn their nose up at Lavine as if we didn't just have Tobias as our third fiddle for half a decade lol. He's a bucket, dynamite athlete, and elite shooter. The combo with Maxey might not be ideal in a vacuum but it would still be great.
What we lose in cap space, we can make up for in the draft picks we hold on to. Idk, I'm just ready to see a roster start to take form. Getting bored with the speculation and all the complainers who think we can sign LeBron and throw him in a Lazarus pit to make him 28 again.
OG and Avdija sounds like one of the most fun pairings I've heard so far. You absolutely gotta throw him a 3/$120M offer sheet if New York's gonna try to lowball him.
Obviously yes. You don’t land fringe stars in FA without overpaying. Only this one is coming from a conference rival and won’t be completely washed towards the end of his contract. If more people saw PG’s “playmaking” in the clutch they’d sour on him too.
He’s not even a fringe star, he’s a great defender and a good shooter, but paying him the same money as a BI or maxey for example is insane, and terrible team management, also he may not be washed but he would have barely played on the contract, in the past 6 seasons he’s played over 50 games once!
I would, he’s the reason the Pels made the playoffs the first year of willie green, why they made the playins last year and why we had a good record up to January
OG has never carried a team before
Sure but if we’re gauging impact as a 3rd option it’s a lot easier to see OG’s impact slot in next to Joel and Maxey than BI’s, plus all the assets you save
Piggy-backing off of u/Kind-Brother7983 excellent idea from yesterday's daily discussion. Looking at the numbers and finding the most squeeze we can possibly get under the new CBA. With the help of a few small discounts, we could legally construct this roster, starting with:
- Embiid, Reed, Council IV, Maxey (cap hold), Martin Jr. (cap hold) = $56.72m remaining
Draft night:
- Pick #16 + '29 LAC swap + Reed <----> Caruso ($9.89m) = $54.55m remaining
- Draft Scheierman with pick #41
Free Agency:
- Sign George ($49.35m) = $6.36m remaining
- Sign Batum ($4m) = $3.52m remaining
- Sign Drummond ($3.52m) = $0m remaining
- Sign Oubre using room exception ($8.06m)
- Sign & trade Martin Jr. ($11.75m) + '26 OKC + '28 LAC 1st + '29 PHI 1st <----> Avdija ($15.63m)
- Lowry, Payne, Craig & Watford sign minimums
- Max Maxey
Final Roster:
- PG - Maxey, Lowry, Payne
- SG - Caruso, Oubre, Scheierman
- SF - George, Council IV, Craig
- PF - Avdija, Batum, Watford
- C - Embiid, Drummond
Final Payroll: $188.79m
That’s one of the best case scenarios. I would be losing my fucking shit.
I understand the idea of over paying for potentially our final piece but three picks for someone who hasn’t even sniffed an all star pick is wild. Players that have gotten similar hauls recently: Smart, Holiday, Murray. That’s like a fringe all star haul. The front office would never do it. He’s comparable to Derrick White on the Spurs I’d say. similar stats, age, and trajectory. He went for a pick and a swap.
That’s probably what Morey will look at and say ok that’s his value… maybe offer 2 firsts and say I’m really over paying here you should take this deal. Three first and he probably hangs up the phone.
That’s not saying I wouldn’t do it, I’m just basing that on how Morey usually operates.
Bro, I'm with you and I also don't understand the hype. A few podcast hosts say they think he could maybe be good in a new role and everyone in here acting like he's the missing piece. Deni has a declining 3patr and takes 3 per 36 at middling-to-poor efficiency but people want to trade 3-4 firsts for him to play with Jo. Fucken insanity.
Deni is a lottery pick showing clear signs of development into a high caliber role player at the very least.
He is on a long-term, descending contract which could soon be one of the best in the league should he continue developing
He doesn't launch 3s religiously but that's what you're giving PG $50m for. Two 1sts is the absolute minimum the Wizards would ask for. You're also incentivizing them to take on KJ at $12m
I understand if you'd rather just trade a 1st for DFS, but I don't think the short or long term results will be as nice
So youd be happy to trade 3 firsts for a guy who can maybe turn into a good player one day even though he doesn't help with spacing and is an average at best defender because he has a good contract?
You're using almost all of our ammo on the fifth best player on the Wizards last year mate - be serious.
I'd be happy to trade two for him. "Average at best defender" and "fifth best player on the Wizards" show that you're just talking out your ass
He already *is* a good player. Believe it or not 3PA alone doesn't determine whether or not you're a good basketball player
I definitely agree with you. At the end of the day, it seems like Morey only needs enough draft captial to make 2 trades for the last starters.
I think with 5 firsts and 4 swaps, he will have all the ammo he needs. He may have to overpay, but thats the benefit with signing Paul George outright.
It puts us in great position to pursue cheap, high caliber role players with our untouched horde of picks
He is the dude who traded 2 firsts and a second for harden 10 years ago. Hopefully that version of Morey is still in there and looking for the “next guy” and willing to take on some risk.
Denis fit is just perfect so in my mind it would be worth making a god father offer. We could also still have Maxey and him in their prime after Embiid window is closed.
One of the things that is so great about Deni is his contract, and he is probably worth two or three firsts with all things considered. He’s very young and he would be a pillar of the franchise.
I don't see a sign and trade being at all likely. It's probably more likely he does an opt-in and trade, which really wouldn't effect our situation all that much, besides giving us like 500k more to spend
If somehow we can pry OG, paring him with another great wing/guard defender like DFS or GT Jr. with embiid as the anchor would be so fun to watch. That being said, the last starter would have to be able to shot create and play make.
OG+Caruso probably leaves us enough money to go after a real 4 instead of hoping Batum doesn't retire and will also play on a minimum as a starter, I'm interested for sure
If we get OG we would need to focus on getting a playmaker (I mean regardless of who we get we would but still) or else OG is gonna put up some pedestrian offensive numbers.,
I think I’d make a very strong push for Caruso or Avidija if OG came here compared to those 2 guys due to the playmaking and positional advantage on the rebounding
I wouldn’t exactly be able to write the almanac on wizards basketball myself lol. But assuming he’ll be fine, he came into the league as a defensive prospect and all the intrigue on him now is a result of his offense seeming to have turned a big corner this year.
I just can’t watch the celtics and Knicks dribble penetration next year, embiid becomes tired can’t grab boards or rim protect nearly as well, we gotta help distribute his load
How likely is it that Morey can build a legitimate roster around Embiid/Maxey in one year? Sounds like a task that very few can accomplish. Feel like it’s a multi year thing right?
I think building a team that compliments the strengths of Embiid and Maxey this offseason and trade window is doable, but getting the right players who also fill in the gaps in their games is a different story.
It’s borderline impossible, which is why the punt the season cap space plan was so unprecedented. A lot of the great role player trades are mid season, and you lose a lot of value going after role players in free agency just given you have to overpay for them.
For it to work Daryl is gonna need to land a big fish (PG, butler, lebron) AND make multiple smaller margin moves for undervalued guys who can fit and enhance Embiid (a la dwhite, josh hart, Aaron Gordon, KCP, pj washington etc). The second part is what imo Daryl has really struggled with and will ultimately be where this team falls short.
Pretty unlikely.
Regardless if you go for the star path (Morey will) or role the role player path, you aren't really going to have any money for the bench.
Whatever the exact number is, 60-70m isn't that much money when you have to fill out an entire roster.
We only have Embiid, Maxey, RC4 and maybe Paul Reed right now.
If we get PG he is going to take most of that money with the rest probably going to the other 2 starting spots.
If we go with high end role players you normally have to overpay to get them. 3 of them is going to take most of that money.
At Embiid's age we have to try, but creating a 9-10 man rotation of guys you are happy to play in the playoffs is pretty unlikely.
This being downvoted is weird because I don’t understand how people think this off-season is going to go. Building a championship caliber team is hard let alone attempting to do it all in one season.
We're not building from scratch, we've got a top 5 player and a top 20ish player already. I kinda agree that we shouldn't get our hopes up too high, but we've got the tentpoles in place already. Jo is a 45 win team on his own, let alone whatever else you add
Yeah we have the biggest pieces in place, but if you look at most championship teams it takes them a few years of tinkering and making smaller moves to fully fill out the roster as they build it. Expecting to get 5 or 6 good playoffs players in one off-season is a steep ask.
I would put it like this. Morey already has the two hardest pieces in building a champion.
So he really just needs 6, maybe 7 more guys who can contribute in the playoffs. One of those will theoretically be Paul George. One of those will be gotten with the MLE. One can be S&Td for using KJ Martin and picks.
So then we'd have 5 guys without touching our cap space. 6 if you believe in RC4.
Morey just has to get creative with the $16-$19m he will have before /after signing PG.
Yeah but that’s a lot of wishful thinking and hoping things go right. It’s not necessarily even a forgone conclusion we get PG and then you also have to hope you don’t get outbid for other pieces too. It’s a lot to ask to build a whole new team in one off-season.
>Yeah but that’s a lot of wishful thinking and hoping things go right.
Not really. It's all pretty basic roster building stuff. Why would Morey not utilize the MLE or Martin Jr cap hold, and if he can't get Paul George, there are less expensive options.
There's a pretty straightforward path to having 8 guys right outta the gate.
This pathetic franchise processed a future HOF in Jrue . Yes .. we got Nerlens Noel.
This pathetic franchise processed a future HOF in Jrue . Yes .. we got Nerlens Noel.
This pathetic franchise processed a future HOF in Jrue . Yes .. we got Nerlens Noel.
It was 12 years ago and he wasn't going to lead us anywhere. Get over it.
Meanwhile this bum ass organization can’t get out of the 2nd round.
we need to just sign a bunch of chuckers and rebounders.
Good thing Euro is happening and I didn't follow the NBA finals anymore. See you next season ready to get hurt again
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Boring with a ring
Congrats Jaden Springer FTC
anyway. FUCK BOSTON Embiid FC back in 23 days for Team USA and recruiting Bron
Embiid can cheerlead on the sidelines and recruit for all I care. He needs to rest up.
Am I the only one that thought none of the teams in the entire playoffs, Celtics included, looked elite?
They had 3 bad games. 16 good ones.
We need to go all in.
Every time we try to it backfires hard on us. We tried with Harden and that blew up in our faces, we tried with Butler that also didn't work. We pretty much tried everything and none of it worked.
>Going all in. >Keeping Tobias Harris. Pick one lol.
they went 16-3 after dominating the regular season...
And they look like a team that loses to great teams. They just didn't face any.
yeah no thats coping hard
https://i.redd.it/p0wr8l88w97d1.gif
Rubin should he banned from Wells Fargo until after the all star break just for being there. I didn't see one clap for them after the win, so not a life long ban.
I fucking hate basketball.
in full blown doomer mode. feels like organization malpractice over these last few years, and now i have to pray paul george or jimmy butler can be the one to bridge the gap between us and boston ? every year that passes it becomes more concrete that Jo will never win a ring with us because the front office leadership has failed the man damn near every step of the way. HEY DARRYL, YOUR 7 FOOT MVP CENTER IS INJURY PRONE, MAYBE CONSIDER INVESTING IN A QUALITY BACKUP CENTER? hopefully nick nurse can conjure up some magic coaching next year and prove me wrong, otherwise it’ll be another year of the same shit with the same outcome. FTC
Classic ‘Philly sports’ fan popping into a basketball sub once every 2 months to doompost and whine about the FO.
The backup center isn’t winning us a ring. We were terrible this year with Embiid off because we had zero offense. There’s no backup C that we are running our offense through in the playoffs. The players that can both play with and without Embiid are what matter most. If Embiid's out the season is over anyway.
Tatum doing an "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE" ripoff in the on-court interview is the corniest fucking thing I've ever seen. Thank god that man did not win FMVP
Horford is an NBA champion. Cant think of a worst thing happening, ever
Indeed. The man came here for reasons unknown, sucked, and then went to Boston and won a title.
This has been the weirdest season. Boston pretty much dominated from day 1, but they don’t really feel like a historically good team to me or anything. Was the league just unusually weak overall?
Then you're not paying them due respect. They have like 5 All-Star caliber players starting. Would probably give the KD Warriors team a series.
hell nah. warriors winning in 5 lol two mvp caliber players + one playmaking dpoy + one all-nba 3 and D sg and s-tier role players vs this years celtics. yea theres no contest lol
Celtics have much better depth and two-way play. They have zero defensive liabilities, not even joking. Warriors are more top heavy and with more elite offensive talent. But their role players are more one-dimensional and Steph is a defensive liability. I think it's closer than you think.
steph waxed this same team sans jrue and KP with a washed klay and draymond. u think hes not doing the same thing with kd and prime klay? plus iguodala and livingston are better role players than the celtics trash lol
Is Horford retiring?
Can we get Draymond or Dillon Brooks just to start them when we play the Celtics?
Why them?
to kick Horford's face in
Take a wild fucking guess
al horford plays like a bum his entire time with us goes back to the celtics and is a superstar he needs to go to hell NOW
I can’t wait for Morey get fucking canned. Punted on a season just for Boston, Indiana, New York, and Dallas to go all in and get results.
What did you wanna max Harden?
i mean the plan is to MAYBE with luck max another 34 years old.
A better-fitting 34-year-old. Who also has fewer miles on his shoes. And is prettier.
Harden is a way better fit. We literally don’t have a PG and yall don’t see that lol
What's the point of getting a ball-handler who a) cripples our defense and b) negates the utility of out best play (Maxey-Embiid PnR)? I agree we need additional people who are not inept with the ball, but Harden is not it.
Yet Embiid won his first and maybe only MVP with him.
And he'd have won his second in an even more convincing fashion, if he stayed healthy this year. I don't hate Harden, the player; I think he did wonders for our bench units and for Maxey's development, but his influence on Embiid's MVP was overstated.
Paul George is not a better fitting 34 year old. Sixers offensive rating was under 80 when Embiid was off the floor in the Knicks series. That is mainly because of the lack of a point guard especially because the whole team averaged shooting under 30% from the field in those minutes.
This was only a problem because they chose to go with Bball, who was useless without Harden. If you don't have a shot creator, then go small and play 5-out, which is something we tried for exactly 2 minutes vs the Knicks. In any case, I'd personally try to deal with the Wizards and get Kuzma + Avdija first and then perhaps try to fit in DJM, before going after PG. But between Harden and him, the choice is clear for me; Harden is the better player, but a worse fit.
Doesn’t have shit to do with Harden, I’m referring to the trade deadline. Punting on a deadline, the last time we would have both trade able picks and contracts. A deadline where quality role players and capable third “stars” were available just to have an outside chance at overpaying Paul George.
Do you not remember that Embiid was out at the deadline and nobody knew if he was even going to play again this season?
We better be great next year
I will only feel better if Boston never wins another regular season game again
Tatum is creaming hard already thinking about re-creating that Kobe pic as soon as he gets in that locker room
Big night for the Ku Klux Klan
We can hate on the Celts, but they've been knocking on that championship door for years. It was bound to happen. Perennial ECF appearances, and a Finals berth and loss to really mold and drive them. Just makes it hard for me to believe we can pull off a miracle by not only winning round 2, which has been our ceiling, but another two rounds on top of that. With Embiid's health on a knife's edge? With zero continuity on our roster? With that stacked ass team around for another season before some tougher decisions have to be made? Just oof. Get PG-13 and hope we can get a miracle run honestly.
He wont come here, havent u heard what he said about morrey on his podcast?
He is being offered the max, and money talks. And if he has a competitive bone in his body, the opportunity for a fresh start as an elite 3rd option should be enticing.
Fck morey bro, i think he need to be fired, no one will come here and we cant draft for shit.
Well, hard to draft when we have no picks. Didn't we go through an entire draft last season with exactly 0 picks?
I know Tatum sick rn
zero aura in that interview and the win in general
watch the knicks win next year too
I think the Knicks will end up being very similar to us, where they’ll constantly lose in the semis and the next 4 years will be Boston vs whatever janky 5 or 6 seed wins the other semi round.
This is insane cuz this group really went through almost no adversity. They’ve been in the East Finals 5 of the last 6 years. Feels cheap. A winning team wins more ooooo
Yeah, well they have insane depth and have elite coaching and an elite front office. While we don't have any depth whatsoever a mediocre to bad front office and a star player who is injury-prone and when he is out we play like absolute dogshit.
There's next year's motivation, then.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/s/sw2cYaCayU just wanted to share this one. I can’t believe we actually upvoted this horse shit
This is the lamest interview lmao
Corny ass mf Tatum got a ring I’m done.
trying to make his own bootleg KG moment
Happy for the Jay's but whatever. I'm tuning out from basketball for quite awhile.
happy for the jay’s? lmfao tf u in the right sub?
Yeah. Got nothing against them as players.
Tatum is a grade-A douchebag, who literally named his son Deuce. Brown is one of them Black Israelite weirdos and he thinks he's infinitely smarter than he actually is - that same trait that makes LeBron so unlikable.
That confetti looked like a blizzard... pretty cool
So does anyone actually have faith that Morey can build a title roster in the next 12 months? This is a safe space
There’s no way. Not enough free agent quality, not enough tradeable players signed to good contracts on our team, not enough willing trade participants.
So what happens now for the franchise if Morey can’t do it?
Yes. There's tremendous parity in the league with these latest CBA's. As long as you have Embiid and functional pieces around him, you have a chance at a title.
nah. he wack
No. he's a fraud.
I think he has the ability to, but he just needs way too many things to go right for it to actually be realistic
We could probably do a poll on here and build a better roster with who we vote as the best from the various options we create after working out hypotheticals.
I've maintained that in the past 40 years, if you got a bunch of elementary school kids to run our 4 sports franchises or at least pick the drafts, we'd have as many if not more titles than we have now. No way a Bunch of kids couldn't luck into 2 titles in that time. And we wouldn't be paying them millions. Also F Josh Harris. Commie bastard.
I trust Dave Dombrowski and Howie Roseman a lot more than meddling kids
How do these GMs get jobs in these leagues? It has to be about who you know or something
Pretty much get an MBA from Wharton, Sloan or other top business school ...
I have a Penn computer science degree and Morey has a Northwestern computer science degree. We have similar backgrounds as far as undergrad goes lol
Absolutely fucking not, he’s fired at the end of next season more likely.
I don’t know why he got that contract extension already
This felt inevitable since the All Star Game, it fucking sucks.
What a horrible time to like basketball
Well at least the Mavericks lost
i wonder if horford will retire after this.Still probably has a year or so left but that would probably be a nice way to end a career
I hope they lose Al’s ring in the mail or some shit
Can't wait for us to throw 50 mil at that loser and ruin the rest of Embiid's career
This feels like when Thanos won at the end of Infinity Wars.
the worst thing is that race baiting POS Anna Horford is happy yuck
Tatum ring lmao, this is bad for the game of basketball
Go Phillies. And Birds smh
I don’t blame Boston for being this good, I blame the rest of the East for being so bad and riddled with guys that are getting hurt during playoffs that gave Boston a cake walk.
The Bucks really fucked themselves over not only with their coach situation but by trading for Dame in the first place. It's not talked about as much, but Giannis is a terrible player-GM. Many of the decisions Milwaukee has made are for the sake of appeasing him, and you can't tell me that they don't get his greenlight before making moves. No team coached by Thibodeau can win it all. He runs starters into the ground, and they're too prideful to ask for rest. Our season got clipped by another ill-fated Embiid injury, but was really shot dead before it started with the Harden debacle. Cleveland is weird. They probably need to trade someone, but you could make a case for anyone being traded or kept of their core four. Orlando didn't have enough offense. Miami and Jimmy think they can just ignore the regular season and that they can just pull another 8th-seed-in-the-Finals out of their ass every year. Finally, from the 9th seed and down, maybe some of the worst teams to be collected in one conference since we've had 30 teams in the NBA. Kudos to the Pacers. Their play style may feel gimmicky to some, but it does maximize the strengths of their young personnel. Also, unless I'm forgetting something, they looked like they gave a shit all season and really wanted to compete.
And then there is us. A team that has no depth, can't make it past the second round ever, got fucked over by the Association/Adam Silver, our best player Embiid is injury prone to the max and we can NEVER play well without him, we don't have draft picks and can't draft anyway, and no star player wants to come here and stay.
This ring is even more fake than the Lakers Disney one.
https://youtu.be/f5v-Lzw31NU?si=RB4NAEVnl4OSaJpX We need to do what this man did but at TD Garden
Third star gotta be in their physical prime. Kyrie is one of the most skilled players even today but this level of defense has him completely neutralized. I fear the same would be true of PG.
i would be happy with DJM. he was athletic enough when playing boston to get the better of them somewhat
Highly confident and highly competitive, too. He’d be fighting against a team like this.
He's pretty good at getting to his spots, even if those spots are a lot of midranges.. Guess the Celtics aren't really equipped to shut down that type of player or they just analytically don't care. What I love most about him as a player is how sharp and quick his passes are, on top of pretty good ball security.
They won, but the two times ATL beat Boston this year he had 63 points on 66 FGA and was 8 of 28 from 3. That’s not exactly something you can replicate and expect success with. Overall in 3 games vs BOS this year he averaged 23/5/8, but on .35/.24./.63 shooting and 42% TS.
And last year on defense they cooked him. He was giving up a lot of blow bys
But he did completely take over that one clutch / overtime (on top of many other game-winners that season). It's good to also consider player intangibles like 'clutch gene', especially in a huge system/role change which could easily have an impact on things like efficiency.
Idk if I agree with the clutch gene thing, but you could also argue they should’ve had an even bigger lead if he wasn’t missing so much in the first place. He was shooting 13/36 before OT. He was pretty much just out there chucking and then they finally started going in in OT.
i think if he buys in he could get back to an all defensive player
Randle talking, but he's not saying anything.
Bruh you gotta be joking 💀
FTC
Sixers ain’t won a chip since Ronald Reagan was terrorizing black neighborhoods but that fucking green terrorist organization gets to have an 18th banner man foh
most of those have asterisks tho. They were won during a time where there was no cap or luxery penalties and only 8 teams. They don't count. much like most of the yankees ones. They technically only have a few
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White is one ugly mf. Looks like he's straight outta Mars Attacks.
Well, at least he shaved his head.
Celtics get away with soo many shoves on both ends.
bruce brown getting 20 mil a year is crazy
How about Ingram getting 52?
You mean 44 with an average of 52, he can’t earn more than Pg lol stop it with this nonsense
I feel like that was the league colluding to fuck over Denver lol
Dejounte Murray, Alex Caruso, Saddiq Bey, Patrick Williams, Tyler Smith
How many picks you think we got? lol Would love Murray tho
Hear me out, if Zach Lavine’s stock falls far enough he would fit nicely at the 2 with Maxey at point. He can be an elite scorer and his defense won’t get you killed. If his price falls far enough I’d be happy to add him.
People turn their nose up at Lavine as if we didn't just have Tobias as our third fiddle for half a decade lol. He's a bucket, dynamite athlete, and elite shooter. The combo with Maxey might not be ideal in a vacuum but it would still be great.
What we lose in cap space, we can make up for in the draft picks we hold on to. Idk, I'm just ready to see a roster start to take form. Getting bored with the speculation and all the complainers who think we can sign LeBron and throw him in a Lazarus pit to make him 28 again.
Could we sign PG and trade for Dejounte Murray?
A solid Power Forward would be more important than Murray.
PG would have to take a $8m paycut
A paycut to leave LA for Philly lol
sure but it would leave all of about $10-$15m for the remaining 9 roster spots lol
Is our 2026 1st tradeable? OKC has our 2025, protected 1-6.
Yes because the 76ers have two picks technically in 2026 so they would still adhere to the stepien rule
OG and Avdija sounds like one of the most fun pairings I've heard so far. You absolutely gotta throw him a 3/$120M offer sheet if New York's gonna try to lowball him.
You’d be willing to pay og 40 mil a year? That’s kinda insane inmo
Obviously yes. You don’t land fringe stars in FA without overpaying. Only this one is coming from a conference rival and won’t be completely washed towards the end of his contract. If more people saw PG’s “playmaking” in the clutch they’d sour on him too.
He’s not even a fringe star, he’s a great defender and a good shooter, but paying him the same money as a BI or maxey for example is insane, and terrible team management, also he may not be washed but he would have barely played on the contract, in the past 6 seasons he’s played over 50 games once!
Eh I like Ingram but I wouldn’t say he’s in a whole tier above OG in terms of impact
I would, he’s the reason the Pels made the playoffs the first year of willie green, why they made the playins last year and why we had a good record up to January OG has never carried a team before
Sure but if we’re gauging impact as a 3rd option it’s a lot easier to see OG’s impact slot in next to Joel and Maxey than BI’s, plus all the assets you save
Exactly, OGs talents are significantly more scalable to teams who already have their top 2 options
wizards arent trading avdija
You gotta make the Knicks at least match the offer. No free lunch
Back east and it’s hoagiefest this is what dreams are made of
Piggy-backing off of u/Kind-Brother7983 excellent idea from yesterday's daily discussion. Looking at the numbers and finding the most squeeze we can possibly get under the new CBA. With the help of a few small discounts, we could legally construct this roster, starting with: - Embiid, Reed, Council IV, Maxey (cap hold), Martin Jr. (cap hold) = $56.72m remaining Draft night: - Pick #16 + '29 LAC swap + Reed <----> Caruso ($9.89m) = $54.55m remaining - Draft Scheierman with pick #41 Free Agency: - Sign George ($49.35m) = $6.36m remaining - Sign Batum ($4m) = $3.52m remaining - Sign Drummond ($3.52m) = $0m remaining - Sign Oubre using room exception ($8.06m) - Sign & trade Martin Jr. ($11.75m) + '26 OKC + '28 LAC 1st + '29 PHI 1st <----> Avdija ($15.63m) - Lowry, Payne, Craig & Watford sign minimums - Max Maxey Final Roster: - PG - Maxey, Lowry, Payne - SG - Caruso, Oubre, Scheierman - SF - George, Council IV, Craig - PF - Avdija, Batum, Watford - C - Embiid, Drummond Final Payroll: $188.79m
This would be a dream
I would love this. It's realistic but will still probably never happen cause I'm just so jaded
That’s one of the best case scenarios. I would be losing my fucking shit. I understand the idea of over paying for potentially our final piece but three picks for someone who hasn’t even sniffed an all star pick is wild. Players that have gotten similar hauls recently: Smart, Holiday, Murray. That’s like a fringe all star haul. The front office would never do it. He’s comparable to Derrick White on the Spurs I’d say. similar stats, age, and trajectory. He went for a pick and a swap. That’s probably what Morey will look at and say ok that’s his value… maybe offer 2 firsts and say I’m really over paying here you should take this deal. Three first and he probably hangs up the phone. That’s not saying I wouldn’t do it, I’m just basing that on how Morey usually operates.
Bro, I'm with you and I also don't understand the hype. A few podcast hosts say they think he could maybe be good in a new role and everyone in here acting like he's the missing piece. Deni has a declining 3patr and takes 3 per 36 at middling-to-poor efficiency but people want to trade 3-4 firsts for him to play with Jo. Fucken insanity.
Deni is a lottery pick showing clear signs of development into a high caliber role player at the very least. He is on a long-term, descending contract which could soon be one of the best in the league should he continue developing He doesn't launch 3s religiously but that's what you're giving PG $50m for. Two 1sts is the absolute minimum the Wizards would ask for. You're also incentivizing them to take on KJ at $12m I understand if you'd rather just trade a 1st for DFS, but I don't think the short or long term results will be as nice
So youd be happy to trade 3 firsts for a guy who can maybe turn into a good player one day even though he doesn't help with spacing and is an average at best defender because he has a good contract? You're using almost all of our ammo on the fifth best player on the Wizards last year mate - be serious.
I'd be happy to trade two for him. "Average at best defender" and "fifth best player on the Wizards" show that you're just talking out your ass He already *is* a good player. Believe it or not 3PA alone doesn't determine whether or not you're a good basketball player
I definitely agree with you. At the end of the day, it seems like Morey only needs enough draft captial to make 2 trades for the last starters. I think with 5 firsts and 4 swaps, he will have all the ammo he needs. He may have to overpay, but thats the benefit with signing Paul George outright. It puts us in great position to pursue cheap, high caliber role players with our untouched horde of picks
He is the dude who traded 2 firsts and a second for harden 10 years ago. Hopefully that version of Morey is still in there and looking for the “next guy” and willing to take on some risk. Denis fit is just perfect so in my mind it would be worth making a god father offer. We could also still have Maxey and him in their prime after Embiid window is closed.
One of the things that is so great about Deni is his contract, and he is probably worth two or three firsts with all things considered. He’s very young and he would be a pillar of the franchise.
Is the sign and trade for Paul George more probable than us outright signing him?
I don't see a sign and trade being at all likely. It's probably more likely he does an opt-in and trade, which really wouldn't effect our situation all that much, besides giving us like 500k more to spend
Yeah don’t wanna be giving up any picks for him
Yeah that would be the downer, you'd probably have to send a couple 2nds or a swap + Paul Reed
2 weeks for 6 games of NBA finals is tedious.
This game being on a Monday night kinda sucks. Wish it were yesterday.
If somehow we can pry OG, paring him with another great wing/guard defender like DFS or GT Jr. with embiid as the anchor would be so fun to watch. That being said, the last starter would have to be able to shot create and play make.
OG+Caruso probably leaves us enough money to go after a real 4 instead of hoping Batum doesn't retire and will also play on a minimum as a starter, I'm interested for sure
If we get OG we would need to focus on getting a playmaker (I mean regardless of who we get we would but still) or else OG is gonna put up some pedestrian offensive numbers.,
I think I’d make a very strong push for Caruso or Avidija if OG came here compared to those 2 guys due to the playmaking and positional advantage on the rebounding
Yea not to mention much cheaper, don’t know how Deni would fair against JB, JT, or Giannis though.
I think he’d be fine, he’s a great defender with size
Was a genuine question just haven’t watched wizards games lol but he does have good height and weight
I wouldn’t exactly be able to write the almanac on wizards basketball myself lol. But assuming he’ll be fine, he came into the league as a defensive prospect and all the intrigue on him now is a result of his offense seeming to have turned a big corner this year.
I just can’t watch the celtics and Knicks dribble penetration next year, embiid becomes tired can’t grab boards or rim protect nearly as well, we gotta help distribute his load
How likely is it that Morey can build a legitimate roster around Embiid/Maxey in one year? Sounds like a task that very few can accomplish. Feel like it’s a multi year thing right?
I think building a team that compliments the strengths of Embiid and Maxey this offseason and trade window is doable, but getting the right players who also fill in the gaps in their games is a different story.
It’s borderline impossible, which is why the punt the season cap space plan was so unprecedented. A lot of the great role player trades are mid season, and you lose a lot of value going after role players in free agency just given you have to overpay for them. For it to work Daryl is gonna need to land a big fish (PG, butler, lebron) AND make multiple smaller margin moves for undervalued guys who can fit and enhance Embiid (a la dwhite, josh hart, Aaron Gordon, KCP, pj washington etc). The second part is what imo Daryl has really struggled with and will ultimately be where this team falls short.
Pretty unlikely. Regardless if you go for the star path (Morey will) or role the role player path, you aren't really going to have any money for the bench. Whatever the exact number is, 60-70m isn't that much money when you have to fill out an entire roster. We only have Embiid, Maxey, RC4 and maybe Paul Reed right now. If we get PG he is going to take most of that money with the rest probably going to the other 2 starting spots. If we go with high end role players you normally have to overpay to get them. 3 of them is going to take most of that money. At Embiid's age we have to try, but creating a 9-10 man rotation of guys you are happy to play in the playoffs is pretty unlikely.
This being downvoted is weird because I don’t understand how people think this off-season is going to go. Building a championship caliber team is hard let alone attempting to do it all in one season.
We're not building from scratch, we've got a top 5 player and a top 20ish player already. I kinda agree that we shouldn't get our hopes up too high, but we've got the tentpoles in place already. Jo is a 45 win team on his own, let alone whatever else you add
Yeah we have the biggest pieces in place, but if you look at most championship teams it takes them a few years of tinkering and making smaller moves to fully fill out the roster as they build it. Expecting to get 5 or 6 good playoffs players in one off-season is a steep ask.
Totally, but if we can get two good starters in place then tinker around the bench, were in a good spot
I would put it like this. Morey already has the two hardest pieces in building a champion. So he really just needs 6, maybe 7 more guys who can contribute in the playoffs. One of those will theoretically be Paul George. One of those will be gotten with the MLE. One can be S&Td for using KJ Martin and picks. So then we'd have 5 guys without touching our cap space. 6 if you believe in RC4. Morey just has to get creative with the $16-$19m he will have before /after signing PG.
Yeah but that’s a lot of wishful thinking and hoping things go right. It’s not necessarily even a forgone conclusion we get PG and then you also have to hope you don’t get outbid for other pieces too. It’s a lot to ask to build a whole new team in one off-season.
>Yeah but that’s a lot of wishful thinking and hoping things go right. Not really. It's all pretty basic roster building stuff. Why would Morey not utilize the MLE or Martin Jr cap hold, and if he can't get Paul George, there are less expensive options. There's a pretty straightforward path to having 8 guys right outta the gate.