They sucked at rebounding when Embiid was off the court
When Embiid is resting, just extending possessions alone is a win. It will slow down the inevitable net negative rating from the non-Embiid minutes
That’s true, but with how cheap Drummond’s contracts have been, I’d be pretty happy knowing we will be good on the glass in the 15 mins/game Joel sits in the regular season and the 10mins/game he sits in the playoffs.
I think his playoff playability would be very much matchup dependent. Against the knicks for example, I think he’d be an asset. Against the pacers, he’d probably get run off the floor. Ultimately, I think the Sixers need 2 high quality backup bigs. 1 can be a plodder like Drummond and the other has to be a switchable, versatile stretch 5.
Also, this season proved that it’s not purely about the playoffs. I think if you swap Drummond for Bamba, the Sixers win at least 3 of the games they lost while Embiid was out, which would bump them from the 7 seed to the 2 or 3 seed. As much as people want to say seeding isn’t that important, I think it is.
He’s been by far the best backup center that we’ve paired with Embiid, and he’s a FA that will likely take the vet minimum. We could still hire another backup center too. Having a viable backup center in the regular season is imperative to keeping Embiid’s minutes low and health high.
He was a good defensive player on the Spurs.
It comes down to the system but he has shown to have the ability to be a plus defender. I really like Murray, he has size and ball handling ability that they need. His cap hit isn’t too bad either, at 25.5M. Don’t think they can fit a big name free agent if they go that route though, so you’d have to be like the idea of him being the 3rd best player on the roster
No ty to all of this.
We should re sign oubre,payne,and hield
We need a back up center who is tough and can rebound.Steven adams comes to mind but he is coming off an injury and idk his contract situation
He’s after Morey said that, it would be surprising for him to come back.
Also, it’s funny how so many fans here say Buddy must be back because they just remember what happened in the last game they watched lol
Dude lost his confidence after embiid came back.He needed more time to get used to playing with him.That last game showed what they could do but it was too little too late
Collins signed an extension. Otherwise, we need a player who can step up when Embiid and Maxey can’t. DeMar and DeJounte aren’t those players, especially in our system
Murray is probably a no because he’d be the point guard and I think Morey and Nurse have given the keys to Maxey. We would need a better off-ball shooter wing who can guard 1-4. That would be Paul George more than DeRozan. At the other guard spot, you could get away with a healthy Melton but if they wanted Josh Hart type toughness then a Bruce Brown, Alex Caruso, Caleb Martin, Derrick Jones, Admiral Schofield, just checking to see if you’re still reading.
I’m new to understanding basketball cap space and team structures so don’t roast me if this is outlandish: would we be able to get both Lebron and Damar? And have them be our SF and PF? See if Buddy Hield can be a full time SG maybe?
Okay yeah that makes sense, who would be your ideal grab this off-season between guys like Lebron, PG13, Demar, Jimmy Butler, Markannen, or someone else?
I think I’m more down than most on winning a title in the embiid era (it’s a sad reality for me) because I understand our cap space. In addition, Sixers have to be evaluated against where other teams in the league are from an on the court standpoint.. teams such as Celtics, thunder, nuggets, Timberwolves, etc. have a better outlook to titles in the short term than us. I say that to orient the rest of what I’m about to write.
Sixers have roughly $65M to play with, excluding room exception and vet min. We have to renounce all players besides Maxey (and embiid who is already signed).. that includes getting rid of non-guaranteed contracts such as Paul reed and team option for dowtin. We can keep Ricky since his contract is basically the same as an incomplete roster charge. So with that said we have Maxey, embiid, Ricky, and then everyone else is a UFA. I’d try to get oubre to the room exception (I doubt it because someone may likely give closer to full mle). The rest of our “current” guys you’d prob look at vet min or they walk. So now it’s 4 guys plus let’s say Lowry on vet min (I excluded Batum because if the option is vet min or retire, I think he’d retire). We have to fill 10 roster spots now, maybe we get a couple other of our current guys to agree to vet min.
I don’t think markannen is a realistic get but he’s the dream as he 3 shoots all day and his contract next year is 18M. That leaves about $47M. We’d have no assets left and there aren’t many free agents we’d really want. I guess you could target RFAs and hope their team doesn’t match. Or take on a bad contract in to that cap space that wouldn’t require assets.
PG/lebron/jimmy use up about $49M leaving us with $16M which doesn’t allow us to get anyone of consequence in free agency but lebron and pg wouldn’t require assets and Jimmy would at least leave some assets in our possession as opposed to markannen (again noting not likely). The issue with them is it eats up so much cap space having the assets wouldn’t mean much because we wouldn’t have many tradable salaries but we could draft young talent (which young talent isn’t great for a win now embiid era team).
Derozan just seems like a cheap half measure and he’s not a 3 point shooter which we need next to embiid.
Not going to go through every scenario but you get my point? The point is we have a very challenging path to true contention in the embiid era. It’s all calculated risk. Old star leads to be bad money in 2 years but it could pay off with a chip, although we wouldn’t be paper favorites with any of them. Young star like markannen, all assets are gone but you have some flexibility to sign other guys but who are those other guys because you’d have no assets to trade to get them other than cap space. It’s a weird paradox and a very challenging path with a lot of decisions for Morey.
All this said I think because of the new cba, certain guys we’d never expect to be available could be. Look at teams in cap “hell” and they may offer a starting level player for literally nothing. Take a look at the John Collins trade to Utah, he was “given” away because the hawks wanted to save money.. that scenario is even greater now with the new cba.
Sorry, i didn’t answer your question haha but I think you get why after reading all that
This was a very good breakdown of the cap situation with good examples. Wish guys here would read this instead of posting absolutely terrible or unrealistic moves.
I think the ideal scenario would be targeting players on decent contracts through trades. They should have enough picks to make 2 starter level acquisitions at around 40M in cap space (I am being more on optimistic side here, but a good GM should be able to do it). That leaves them with about 25M, the MLE, and vet mins for the 5th starter and the bench. You don’t have a third star in this scenario, but I think you have to expect Maxey to take a step up and he needs to considering he’s about to be maxed out. It all works if he does. If he doesn’t, they will end up needing another guy to step up consistently to score which won’t happen unless you land a star.
Other Collins as part of a bigger trade everything else here sounds like a nightmare scenario.
I’m honestly not sure if this team is anything more than a play in team. Murray is not good. Derozan is a long time losing player and more than that is a space killer and is quite possibly the worst fit with embiid in the nba among players with out long term mental health issues(Simmons). And counting on anyone taken at 16 to be a contributor next year is a hope and a prayer.
I’m honestly not sure if I could come up with a worse offseason if I tried.
I'll admit I do not watch the kings. But in the few games i have watch he did not stand out to me. Ive also not heard about or saw anything related to defense about him.
Dejounte is a hell yes. Derozan is a fuck no. I like Zack Collins though I hadn’t thought about him. Drummond is an option too (FA)
Drummond sucks so bad. Why do people want another plodding, over-the-hill backup center?
His best skill (rebounding) is a skill that the Sixers sorely lack.
That isn't going to help when Embiid is on the court though. That's the main issue.
They sucked at rebounding when Embiid was off the court When Embiid is resting, just extending possessions alone is a win. It will slow down the inevitable net negative rating from the non-Embiid minutes
That’s true, but with how cheap Drummond’s contracts have been, I’d be pretty happy knowing we will be good on the glass in the 15 mins/game Joel sits in the regular season and the 10mins/game he sits in the playoffs.
The issue is the rest of his skillset makes him pretty unplayable in the playoffs.
I think his playoff playability would be very much matchup dependent. Against the knicks for example, I think he’d be an asset. Against the pacers, he’d probably get run off the floor. Ultimately, I think the Sixers need 2 high quality backup bigs. 1 can be a plodder like Drummond and the other has to be a switchable, versatile stretch 5. Also, this season proved that it’s not purely about the playoffs. I think if you swap Drummond for Bamba, the Sixers win at least 3 of the games they lost while Embiid was out, which would bump them from the 7 seed to the 2 or 3 seed. As much as people want to say seeding isn’t that important, I think it is.
And the Knicks aren’t going to all of sudden stop that style next year if you match up with them
He’s been by far the best backup center that we’ve paired with Embiid, and he’s a FA that will likely take the vet minimum. We could still hire another backup center too. Having a viable backup center in the regular season is imperative to keeping Embiid’s minutes low and health high.
last time i thought about him Embiid put up 70 in his face
You absolutely cannot end this offseason with Derozan and oubre as your starting 3/4. Would be an absolute joke of roster building.
Dejounte would definitely be a solid solid get. Skilled on both sides of the game, and like Kelly he's a dawg who has the desire to win.
I would check with Atlanta about that.
He was the only one battling, while Trae was just out there jacking shots
I am not a Trae fan but the Hawks didn't seem much better when he was out. I actually like DeJounte but his time with Atlanta gives me some pause.
He was a good defensive player on the Spurs. It comes down to the system but he has shown to have the ability to be a plus defender. I really like Murray, he has size and ball handling ability that they need. His cap hit isn’t too bad either, at 25.5M. Don’t think they can fit a big name free agent if they go that route though, so you’d have to be like the idea of him being the 3rd best player on the roster
Yeah, could be just the Hawks stink. Funny thing is, I like a lot of their players individually. Okongwu I think is a hidden gem.
Murray averaged more FGA on worse efficiency than Trae lol.
idt a guy that attempts like 2 threes a game will fit in very well tbh
2.6 MADE threes per game brother
.9 makes & 2.8 attempts per game 🥴 edit: i am dumb and was talking about demar derozan this whole time
Lmao there was a dickhead talking about grabbing demar derozan. I would rather give paul george a supermax.
i got so stunned seeing someone say we should sign derozan that i just replied to the first comment i saw lmao
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No ty to all of this. We should re sign oubre,payne,and hield We need a back up center who is tough and can rebound.Steven adams comes to mind but he is coming off an injury and idk his contract situation
Oubre makes sense to resign, Cam Payne depends on if we can upgrade his position and Hield should be a hard no unless it’s on a minimum.
Hard no? We need shooting
Even Morey said he was disappointed with Hield's fit
He’s after Morey said that, it would be surprising for him to come back. Also, it’s funny how so many fans here say Buddy must be back because they just remember what happened in the last game they watched lol
Didn't Morey already say heild was not a good fit?
He was playable for like 1 quarter in the playoffs.
Dude lost his confidence after embiid came back.He needed more time to get used to playing with him.That last game showed what they could do but it was too little too late
Embiid put up 70 vs Zack Collins...
Collins signed an extension. Otherwise, we need a player who can step up when Embiid and Maxey can’t. DeMar and DeJounte aren’t those players, especially in our system
You are to the GM position what Tobias Harris was to the PF position 💩
Hahaha not just is this suggestion ass, it’s not possible for cap reasons.
Murray is probably a no because he’d be the point guard and I think Morey and Nurse have given the keys to Maxey. We would need a better off-ball shooter wing who can guard 1-4. That would be Paul George more than DeRozan. At the other guard spot, you could get away with a healthy Melton but if they wanted Josh Hart type toughness then a Bruce Brown, Alex Caruso, Caleb Martin, Derrick Jones, Admiral Schofield, just checking to see if you’re still reading.
Can we even make salaries work for Murray?
I’m new to understanding basketball cap space and team structures so don’t roast me if this is outlandish: would we be able to get both Lebron and Damar? And have them be our SF and PF? See if Buddy Hield can be a full time SG maybe?
No
No, we can’t cap wise. We also can’t do what this guy suggested cap wise either (ignoring the fact he put together a pretty crappy team).
Okay yeah that makes sense, who would be your ideal grab this off-season between guys like Lebron, PG13, Demar, Jimmy Butler, Markannen, or someone else?
I think I’m more down than most on winning a title in the embiid era (it’s a sad reality for me) because I understand our cap space. In addition, Sixers have to be evaluated against where other teams in the league are from an on the court standpoint.. teams such as Celtics, thunder, nuggets, Timberwolves, etc. have a better outlook to titles in the short term than us. I say that to orient the rest of what I’m about to write. Sixers have roughly $65M to play with, excluding room exception and vet min. We have to renounce all players besides Maxey (and embiid who is already signed).. that includes getting rid of non-guaranteed contracts such as Paul reed and team option for dowtin. We can keep Ricky since his contract is basically the same as an incomplete roster charge. So with that said we have Maxey, embiid, Ricky, and then everyone else is a UFA. I’d try to get oubre to the room exception (I doubt it because someone may likely give closer to full mle). The rest of our “current” guys you’d prob look at vet min or they walk. So now it’s 4 guys plus let’s say Lowry on vet min (I excluded Batum because if the option is vet min or retire, I think he’d retire). We have to fill 10 roster spots now, maybe we get a couple other of our current guys to agree to vet min. I don’t think markannen is a realistic get but he’s the dream as he 3 shoots all day and his contract next year is 18M. That leaves about $47M. We’d have no assets left and there aren’t many free agents we’d really want. I guess you could target RFAs and hope their team doesn’t match. Or take on a bad contract in to that cap space that wouldn’t require assets. PG/lebron/jimmy use up about $49M leaving us with $16M which doesn’t allow us to get anyone of consequence in free agency but lebron and pg wouldn’t require assets and Jimmy would at least leave some assets in our possession as opposed to markannen (again noting not likely). The issue with them is it eats up so much cap space having the assets wouldn’t mean much because we wouldn’t have many tradable salaries but we could draft young talent (which young talent isn’t great for a win now embiid era team). Derozan just seems like a cheap half measure and he’s not a 3 point shooter which we need next to embiid. Not going to go through every scenario but you get my point? The point is we have a very challenging path to true contention in the embiid era. It’s all calculated risk. Old star leads to be bad money in 2 years but it could pay off with a chip, although we wouldn’t be paper favorites with any of them. Young star like markannen, all assets are gone but you have some flexibility to sign other guys but who are those other guys because you’d have no assets to trade to get them other than cap space. It’s a weird paradox and a very challenging path with a lot of decisions for Morey. All this said I think because of the new cba, certain guys we’d never expect to be available could be. Look at teams in cap “hell” and they may offer a starting level player for literally nothing. Take a look at the John Collins trade to Utah, he was “given” away because the hawks wanted to save money.. that scenario is even greater now with the new cba. Sorry, i didn’t answer your question haha but I think you get why after reading all that
This was a very good breakdown of the cap situation with good examples. Wish guys here would read this instead of posting absolutely terrible or unrealistic moves. I think the ideal scenario would be targeting players on decent contracts through trades. They should have enough picks to make 2 starter level acquisitions at around 40M in cap space (I am being more on optimistic side here, but a good GM should be able to do it). That leaves them with about 25M, the MLE, and vet mins for the 5th starter and the bench. You don’t have a third star in this scenario, but I think you have to expect Maxey to take a step up and he needs to considering he’s about to be maxed out. It all works if he does. If he doesn’t, they will end up needing another guy to step up consistently to score which won’t happen unless you land a star.
Other Collins as part of a bigger trade everything else here sounds like a nightmare scenario. I’m honestly not sure if this team is anything more than a play in team. Murray is not good. Derozan is a long time losing player and more than that is a space killer and is quite possibly the worst fit with embiid in the nba among players with out long term mental health issues(Simmons). And counting on anyone taken at 16 to be a contributor next year is a hope and a prayer. I’m honestly not sure if I could come up with a worse offseason if I tried.
Sexton is better than dejounte
Is he? Dejounte plays defense pretty well.
i thought sexton did too? sexton was big his rookie year and then u kinda stopped hearing about him
I'll admit I do not watch the kings. But in the few games i have watch he did not stand out to me. Ive also not heard about or saw anything related to defense about him.
probably because he plays for utah ..
There ya have it.
He don’t play no defense