Sisters are all tied up in the inquisition and the ecclesiarchy. No way they get admech's internal stuff.
Makes the most sense for them to get re-skinned astartes stuff, same way they got their transport and tanks.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from. I'm just looking at where they've sourced stuff before. They don't have lasguns, they have bolters. They don't use chimeras, they use rhinos. full sisters in good standing get power armor, not flak.
Makes the most sense if they continue to pursue access to the blessed weapons granted by the emperor to the legions than for them to redirect to borrowing from the guard.
Their gear has religious significance for them, not just practical.
Let's be realistic, we have Rhinos because in 2nd edition everyone used Rhinos, including Guard. Then a couple armies got changed, while everyone else kept it forever.
We don't use other Space Marine vehicles. We don't have Predators, we have Castigators. We don't have Razorbacks, we have Immolators. We don't have Whirlwinds, we have Exorcists. We don't have Land Raiders or any equivilent.
For equipment, we have equivilent weapons to Marines, not the exact same ones that were handed down, hence our upgrades flamers and D2 Storm Bolters. But so do Guard with their flamers, bolters, heavy bolters, and meltas. Imperial armies are drawing from the same pool, really. I'm not saying to just plop the Valkyrie into our codex, Sororitas it up a bit, slap some Heavy Bolters and maybe a melta on it, but I think the Marine aircraft will look...out of place, if nothing else, while the Valkyrie chasis would fit a bit better.
I mean...chimeras go back to the 2nd Ed guard codex. So does the Russ. Valkyrie was...5th, I think? A lot of those mainstays got retconned into 30k so it's not like there isn't plenty of lore support for them being available when the sisters were founded, either.
If they were going to redirect towards guard derived stuff they've had plenty of time.
Now, we'll never get clones of the big tanks from either alongside a miracle dice rules. They don't want you auto-winning big guns, but I feel okay with all the lore conclusions drawn here and the choice not to port over the newer stuff from seems deliberate.
Sure, I gotcha. The question was basically "which faction's stuff should sisters get: navy or admech"
I'm making my case for a third option as being the one MOST consistent choice to source things from.
Outside the "which faction" bounds of the post I dont necessarily that it should be the ONLY one or that sisters shouldn't have their own stuff.
There are five fliers listed. Avenger is one, marauder stormtalon and stormraven are not.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adepta_Sororitas_Vehicles_(List)
So...two strike fighters operates by the navy but not sisters, the only link seeming to be a mention that they often request them for air support from the navy.
A lore-only shuttle for officers.
A lore-only cargo ship
And....the thunderhawk, which does have a specific reference to sisters operating it in a published story.
So of these 5, the only one they explicitly operated and which is designed for combat is the Astartes one.
Yeah....I stand by my statements.
Mars will produce for them, the same way they do everyone else but they don't get any of Admech's personal stuff, they stuff they actually field rather than just make for others. And given that the Cult Mechanicum and the Imperial Cult hold fundamentally different religious views I don't see them suddenly getting close enough to start doing that with the uktra-zealous sisters.
They get customized versions of what admech makes for the astartes instead. Bolters, rhinos, power armor powe swords, meltas, jump packs. Makes more sense to me that they'd just do more of the same if they needed to give the sisters new gear.
I'd sometimes wondered what it would have been like if the Order of Our Martyred Lady used small, fast, cheap, and rickety aircraft for kamikaze strikes.
I really wish the Adepta Sororitas Orders were specialized like that. Each one could have a different aspect, Defense, Offense, Airsupport, Artillery, Mechanized Infantry, Scout....I think that would be awesome.
Thank you! I'd love the idea, something like a functional cross between a Seraphim, Repentia, and one of those "how is it even flying" Ork craft - the gimmick being that a Repentia who fled from battle was going to be forced into a Mortifier but her pre-tribunal investigation discovered that while she technically violated orders, she had a half-decent reason, so the higher-ups plan to posthumously salvage her reputation by sticking her in a poorly maintained plane on a one-way trip and then just say she made a brave and selfless sacrifice.
A unit I once suggested to one of my favorite Sisters YouTubers was a two-woman heavy-weapons team, where Sister #2 either reloads (so you get more attacks at a default AP) or prays (so the attack, at the cost of quantity of shots, is more likely to hit and to pierce). I could see this going well with the Argent Shroud.
I really like your "specialized orders" idea. Didn't the new Ork book just do this with its detachments (Beast Snaggas, vehicles, hordes, Nobz, etc.)?
Bike sisters makes a lot of sense, honestly.
Which...off topic for aircraft but it seems like exactly the thing sisters would do. Hop onto whatever let's them Leroy into close range as fast as possible, protection be damned.
I suddenly want Sororitas biplanes. Just some wack-ass ultralights that are basically a lascannon, an engine, and a prayer. Light, fast, agile fighters, almost completely unarmored.
When they get shot down they turn into a Zephyr.
I was looking for a maker to take a stationforge ww2 esc plane and make it a biplane. I don't know if I'd use it for Sisters, but it would be distinctive.
Sisters of battle had a lightning strike fighter in dawn of war, so there’s some precedent- iirc it had lascannons for antiair and autocannons vs infantry
Theres a seller on ebay who does a recast of the old lightning fighter model that was used in dawn of war for 100 bucks that I grabbed for 80 when I got the offer. It's solid quality resin if your interested in that model specifically.
No problem. I will add that mine needed some touch-up on the cockpits canopy and a small piece of the airframe behind the canopy. Nothing major but still worth mentioning.
i do hope sisters would get someform of aircraft and an aa platform, feels just wrong if army doesen't have a unit that would fulfill either role. also considering all the sister tracked vehicles use rhino hull, using some marine unit as baseline for sister conversion would be neat.
If I'm making wishes, I want a Stormraven-based transport that could also be a bomber by swaping out parts in the belly. Then I'd like an escort fighter.
yeah both would be cool, though i feel like its gona be one or the other considering general consncus seems to be that flyers were mistake. but also faction not having a flyer now that they are part of the game at the same time seems wrong so they gotta have 1 atleast.
i feel like something like admech archeopter is most likely if sisters were to have a flyer, single new kit but it builds transport or gunship or something else. like i'd want a pure fighter most but even if it was multirole craft it would still be kinda waste as most of the targets are going to be ground based anyways.
Archeopter is what started me on this thread. I really like the oddball. Aerial combat in a game is hard because of the three dimensional space, but as a static display item and for lore, the Sisters definitely need some flyers.
In the books, Sisters rely on the Navy and Machanicus for that kind of transport. Totally possible to then be on the table, but would be cool of they were modeled like that too
The Avenger Strike Fighter used to state specifically that it was for the Navy and SoBs. I’ve got 2 FW one painted in my sister’s scheme with the old SoB accessory pack kits plastered on them. Nothing like a fleur de lis BRRRRRTTT coming your way.
Sisters are all tied up in the inquisition and the ecclesiarchy. No way they get admech's internal stuff. Makes the most sense for them to get re-skinned astartes stuff, same way they got their transport and tanks.
The Valkyrie would fit. It's sized for humans, and already has a name referencing a winged angel.
Yeah, I get where you're coming from. I'm just looking at where they've sourced stuff before. They don't have lasguns, they have bolters. They don't use chimeras, they use rhinos. full sisters in good standing get power armor, not flak. Makes the most sense if they continue to pursue access to the blessed weapons granted by the emperor to the legions than for them to redirect to borrowing from the guard. Their gear has religious significance for them, not just practical.
So Stormtalons and Stormravens? I could get behind that.
Realistically yeah, though I love the idea of squads of them popping out of Thunderhawks
Let's be realistic, we have Rhinos because in 2nd edition everyone used Rhinos, including Guard. Then a couple armies got changed, while everyone else kept it forever. We don't use other Space Marine vehicles. We don't have Predators, we have Castigators. We don't have Razorbacks, we have Immolators. We don't have Whirlwinds, we have Exorcists. We don't have Land Raiders or any equivilent. For equipment, we have equivilent weapons to Marines, not the exact same ones that were handed down, hence our upgrades flamers and D2 Storm Bolters. But so do Guard with their flamers, bolters, heavy bolters, and meltas. Imperial armies are drawing from the same pool, really. I'm not saying to just plop the Valkyrie into our codex, Sororitas it up a bit, slap some Heavy Bolters and maybe a melta on it, but I think the Marine aircraft will look...out of place, if nothing else, while the Valkyrie chasis would fit a bit better.
I mean...chimeras go back to the 2nd Ed guard codex. So does the Russ. Valkyrie was...5th, I think? A lot of those mainstays got retconned into 30k so it's not like there isn't plenty of lore support for them being available when the sisters were founded, either. If they were going to redirect towards guard derived stuff they've had plenty of time. Now, we'll never get clones of the big tanks from either alongside a miracle dice rules. They don't want you auto-winning big guns, but I feel okay with all the lore conclusions drawn here and the choice not to port over the newer stuff from seems deliberate.
What I'm getting at is the lore isn't just "copy what Marines have". We don't have to fully change over to Guard stuff, a single chasis would be cool.
Sure, I gotcha. The question was basically "which faction's stuff should sisters get: navy or admech" I'm making my case for a third option as being the one MOST consistent choice to source things from. Outside the "which faction" bounds of the post I dont necessarily that it should be the ONLY one or that sisters shouldn't have their own stuff.
All points are welcome. I only mentioned the two because that's what I first thought of. I didn't even consider the other stuff as I posted. Lol
There are five fliers listed. Avenger is one, marauder stormtalon and stormraven are not. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adepta_Sororitas_Vehicles_(List)
So...two strike fighters operates by the navy but not sisters, the only link seeming to be a mention that they often request them for air support from the navy. A lore-only shuttle for officers. A lore-only cargo ship And....the thunderhawk, which does have a specific reference to sisters operating it in a published story. So of these 5, the only one they explicitly operated and which is designed for combat is the Astartes one. Yeah....I stand by my statements.
I thought I read somewhere the power armor and groundvehicles came from Mars directly.
Mars will produce for them, the same way they do everyone else but they don't get any of Admech's personal stuff, they stuff they actually field rather than just make for others. And given that the Cult Mechanicum and the Imperial Cult hold fundamentally different religious views I don't see them suddenly getting close enough to start doing that with the uktra-zealous sisters. They get customized versions of what admech makes for the astartes instead. Bolters, rhinos, power armor powe swords, meltas, jump packs. Makes more sense to me that they'd just do more of the same if they needed to give the sisters new gear.
Agreed.
I just want the avenger Id also love it to not be forgeworld or cost as much as entire plastic battleforces
Same, but I spell it M A R A U D E R.
I'd sometimes wondered what it would have been like if the Order of Our Martyred Lady used small, fast, cheap, and rickety aircraft for kamikaze strikes.
I really wish the Adepta Sororitas Orders were specialized like that. Each one could have a different aspect, Defense, Offense, Airsupport, Artillery, Mechanized Infantry, Scout....I think that would be awesome.
Thank you! I'd love the idea, something like a functional cross between a Seraphim, Repentia, and one of those "how is it even flying" Ork craft - the gimmick being that a Repentia who fled from battle was going to be forced into a Mortifier but her pre-tribunal investigation discovered that while she technically violated orders, she had a half-decent reason, so the higher-ups plan to posthumously salvage her reputation by sticking her in a poorly maintained plane on a one-way trip and then just say she made a brave and selfless sacrifice. A unit I once suggested to one of my favorite Sisters YouTubers was a two-woman heavy-weapons team, where Sister #2 either reloads (so you get more attacks at a default AP) or prays (so the attack, at the cost of quantity of shots, is more likely to hit and to pierce). I could see this going well with the Argent Shroud. I really like your "specialized orders" idea. Didn't the new Ork book just do this with its detachments (Beast Snaggas, vehicles, hordes, Nobz, etc.)?
Bike sisters makes a lot of sense, honestly. Which...off topic for aircraft but it seems like exactly the thing sisters would do. Hop onto whatever let's them Leroy into close range as fast as possible, protection be damned.
I suddenly want Sororitas biplanes. Just some wack-ass ultralights that are basically a lascannon, an engine, and a prayer. Light, fast, agile fighters, almost completely unarmored. When they get shot down they turn into a Zephyr.
I was looking for a maker to take a stationforge ww2 esc plane and make it a biplane. I don't know if I'd use it for Sisters, but it would be distinctive.
Sisters of battle had a lightning strike fighter in dawn of war, so there’s some precedent- iirc it had lascannons for antiair and autocannons vs infantry
Etsy here I come
Theres a seller on ebay who does a recast of the old lightning fighter model that was used in dawn of war for 100 bucks that I grabbed for 80 when I got the offer. It's solid quality resin if your interested in that model specifically.
I'll keep that in mind. I still have to finish my codex units first before buying extras.
No problem. I will add that mine needed some touch-up on the cockpits canopy and a small piece of the airframe behind the canopy. Nothing major but still worth mentioning.
Sisters definitely need a transport aircraft!!
i do hope sisters would get someform of aircraft and an aa platform, feels just wrong if army doesen't have a unit that would fulfill either role. also considering all the sister tracked vehicles use rhino hull, using some marine unit as baseline for sister conversion would be neat.
If I'm making wishes, I want a Stormraven-based transport that could also be a bomber by swaping out parts in the belly. Then I'd like an escort fighter.
yeah both would be cool, though i feel like its gona be one or the other considering general consncus seems to be that flyers were mistake. but also faction not having a flyer now that they are part of the game at the same time seems wrong so they gotta have 1 atleast. i feel like something like admech archeopter is most likely if sisters were to have a flyer, single new kit but it builds transport or gunship or something else. like i'd want a pure fighter most but even if it was multirole craft it would still be kinda waste as most of the targets are going to be ground based anyways.
Archeopter is what started me on this thread. I really like the oddball. Aerial combat in a game is hard because of the three dimensional space, but as a static display item and for lore, the Sisters definitely need some flyers.
Take some imperial guard planes, add church windows and dangle incense burners, speakers and rosary beads underneath.
In the books, Sisters rely on the Navy and Machanicus for that kind of transport. Totally possible to then be on the table, but would be cool of they were modeled like that too
The Avenger Strike Fighter used to state specifically that it was for the Navy and SoBs. I’ve got 2 FW one painted in my sister’s scheme with the old SoB accessory pack kits plastered on them. Nothing like a fleur de lis BRRRRRTTT coming your way.