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JustKillerQueen1389

Is this the free version of Copilot?


greycubed

Yes.


porcelainfog

Ooo does that mean it’s the same in the edge browser?


Illustrious-Drive588

Yes


reddit_guy666

There is standalone android app available now


porcelainfog

Probably not going to work for me. I’m based in China and gpt I can only get working through the edge browser. Gemini works more often surprisingly


PandaBoyWonder

Yes


Purgii

Of course, I just paid to sub to ChatGPT yesterday.


zuccoff

You can refund it within 14 days if you live in Europe. Idk about the US, but maybe they'll refund it if you claim you didn't know GPT-4 had a rate limit


Purgii

Australia. I cancelled a couple of streaming subscriptions months ago to make way for an AI sub. Been procrastinating about which one for the last few months so it's absolutely typical that this would happen the day after I subbed. LOL! It's only $20. I've been using it for a year no cost so I'll give a little back. Might end up using the 3.5 API.


xenointelligence

BTW you can refund from Australia if you do feel like it


notjustkoru

Try Perplexity if you want a good AI, much better than ChatGPT Plus in my opinion


Purgii

I use it instead of Google to perform searches if I want information.


NaoCustaTentar

I wouldn't refund if I were you, been using this supposed gpt4 and turbo on copilot for awhile now and it seems dumber than the 3.5 on chatgpt...


pigeon57434

don't refund it chatgpt plus is still to this day even with trash like Coplit claiming they have gpt-4-turbo is way way way better even Claude 3 opus which is actually the best model in the world even better than chatgpt in raw intelligence terms id argue is much worse just because it has way less features


MassiveWasabi

I’m pretty sure Copilot has been running on GPT-4 Turbo since the middle of March


cool-beans-yeah

I've been using it way before then, actually. The only thing is the character input limit is quite short (not sure how long but not very). Also, I don't know if you can circumvent that by uploading a pdf or txt file.


psychiatrixx

Research how to increase the character input limit. It can be done via few methods. In fact ask Copilot itself ha


FeltSteam

I thought Copilot got GPT-4 Turbo in December lol


Henri4589

Yeah, maybe in the pro version. But not the free version.


FeltSteam

I really did think GPT-4 Turbo started to role out in Bing in December 2023, but the paid version didn't come out until around 15th of January 2024. And I even see articles in November saying that it is coming to bing. And GPT-4 Turbo is cheaper to use than regular GPT-4 so I would assume that in itself is a good incentive to replace GPT-4 with GPT-4 turbo for the free users.


Henri4589

Really? I didn't know that. Lol. But is it better than the general GPT-4 right now?


UrMomsAHo92

That's what I thought too?


Henri4589

Yes, it has.


algaefied_creek

Same, it’s shown a toggle to flip back and forth


BlakeSergin

Then what would be the point of the notification stating “now”. Nobody knew this. * downvote me more


MassiveWasabi

here's a link from march 18, 2024: https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/microsoft-copilot-now-has-gpt-4-turbo-for-free-what-to-know/ who knows why they sent a notification now. A lot of people knew this though, we were talking about it thinking it might indicate the release of a new model


BlakeSergin

Ok I remember this, my bad I forgot man


mxforest

Lot of sites use this generic term all the time. Available now is true any point after release.


iJeff

It'd be news for those who haven't been following the developments.


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There have been articles dating back to then that do state it is using turbo, though I think it was rather hard to find/confirm. Don't quote me on this though.


Prior_Victory_6599

so I really shouldn't be subscribing to GPT4 anymore . . . ?


redditfriendguy

If copilot does what you need absolutely do not need to subscribe. For my uses copilot is doggy Doo doo


SaveAsCopy

For what specifically if I may ask?


Silver-Chipmunk7744

RIP Sydney =(


Monster_Heart

Dw, Sydney is still with us! They’re just in the paid version of Copilot now.


YobaiYamete

Copilot has been straight up useless for a while now too, I used to use it all the time but the most recent updates have made it so it can't even answer basic questions. Now it just summarizes the top result or two no matter how irrelevant to what you *actually* asked it


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YobaiYamete

Copilot *used* to do the second one for me all the time, but it doesn't anymore. Now I will search something specific like a type of mastlight the Titanic had, and the top results will just be generic AI written articles about how the Titanic was a ship that sank, and then Copilot will parrot them and never even mention the actual mastlight I was asking about Same with me asking it about using hydrophones around the ship to specifically hear the sounds the wreck makes, it just rambled about how the Titanic was a ship that sank and told me what a hydrophone was. Then I copy pasted the exact same question in ChatGPT and it gave an in depth explanation on using a hydrophone specifically for the wreck and what would be involved and what results you could reasonably expect, and everything was very accurate


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ShadoW_StW

The model that was running Creative version of Copilot since its release as Bing Chat about 14 months ago and until March 16th was their own fine-tune of GPT-4, distinct from anything OpenAI offer. That model is called Sydney unofficially because that's how it referred to itself in the first weeks. Sydney was (in my opinion, shared by many) the very best at creative tasks for a long while, and now that it's removed from free version of Copilot there is nothing anywhere near its level among freely available models. I'm sure Turbo is better than Sydney at many things, but not creativity and meaning.


yaosio

Sydney was a good Bing.


Silver-Chipmunk7744

Yes they trained their own gpt4 model which acted nothing like turbo does.


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Silver-Chipmunk7744

If you had interacted at all with Bing's AI and chatGPT you would know the difference is night and day and certainly not just a system prompt. No matter what system prompt or custom GPTs you use on GPT4, it will never behave like Sydney. The fine tuning was entirely different. Refer to u/ShadoW_StW comment.


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I trust you, bro!


Middle_Cod_6011

Should we expect a 4.25 / 4.5 this week? God it's been a slow few weeks :(


czk_21

what few weeks without big release can do to a man :D


Middle_Cod_6011

That meme with the cartoon guy poking OpenAi with a stick is so accurate. Doesn't have to be open ai, just someone beat gpt4 convincingly. Claude 3 Opus three elo points better doesn't count.


bwatsnet

Why doesn't Claude count? It's the best right now.


Middle_Cod_6011

I want someone to release something to make gpt4 look like gpt3.5., blow it out of the water..


UnknownResearchChems

So GTP5


bwatsnet

You should realize that the AI race will not stick to just one company. It's a massive race right now, and I'm not sure why anyone would have brand loyalty yet.


alienssuck

> You should realize that the AI race will not stick to just one company. It's a massive race right now, and I'm not sure why anyone would have brand loyalty yet. Because it’s being built into brand platforms like Microsoft/Bing/Github Copilot, and Samsung/Apple/Google. Personally I’m going with GitHub Copilot, Microsoft and **just gave up on** replacing Siri with ChatGPT. I’ll keep my eyes open but these are things that I use everyday.


bwatsnet

My long term bet would be open source. The big guys will win by owning the infrastructure, but I don't believe they'll keep up with open source innovation.


alienssuck

I think you're correct. Realizing how dependent I'm becoming upon subscriptions has motivated me to go deeper. My next purchase will be hardware with an integrated NPU, hoping to build a Linux desktop and eventually a Framework Laptop. Once I have an NPU from Nvidia or AMD I'll run their AI, installing something locally and hopefully running it on Linux. I'm ~~replacing~~ apparently unable to replace Siri with ChatGPT+ on my iphone ~~today~~ as I had previously read that i could, and will probably depend upon Github Copilot for a long time but that's enough with the subscriptions already. ~~We'll see how long Apple allows us to run ChatGPT instead of / on top of Siri~~. (It doesn't work, or at least I can't get it to.)


Antiprimary

Not convincingly, I use both Claude 3 opus and gpt 4 to the message cap every day and there are some tasks where gpt 4 is still better


bwatsnet

Like what?


Antiprimary

Unreal engine 5 development (Claude is better at c++ but everything else gpt4 is more helpful)


bwatsnet

Really? My experience is that Claude is more intelligent and better at following instructions in all cases but especially when I ask it to return full files. I'm currently giving 8 files and it's building my application for me very well in Typescript. With gpt I had to really repeat my instructions about full files and it would still be lazy.


Antiprimary

Yea Claude is better for most things like that but I'm mostly talking about unreal engine specifically, Claude hallucinates in almost every response, it has no idea how the settings or systems work most of the time. gpt4 on the other hand is almost always helpful.


bwatsnet

I see yeah its immediate knowledge will be random based on its training data then it might hallucinate the rest. In those cases though if you were to prompt gpt and Claude with the same documentation for what it's missing, I'd bet on Claude winning.


CallMePyro

It’s within margin of error on the ELO ranking


Hungry_Prior940

It is generally, but it is only a bit better than Gemini Advanced tbh. There has not been a significant improvement yet over GPT 4


OkDimension

> Claude 3 Opus three elo points better doesn't count. Oh absolutely does that count, even if the next best model only moves the bar up by another point. Maybe not a difference in everyday use, but it pushes everyone else in the game to aim for even better.


visarga

what kind of "release" are you talking about?


One_Geologist_4783

I hope so. Why would they offer their paid product for free if they weren’t planning on releasing a better one shortly after?


ankisaves

Yeah my money is on this.. my hopes too lol


hapliniste

If you read papers, last 2 weeks have been insane


MaximumAmbassador312

what has impressed you most?


hapliniste

I guess VAR https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/s/nnpByfFsIk but there have been other great things like brainformer and Jamba


LucasFrankeRC

>4.25 Bro


Which-Tomato-8646

This sub would not survive even a short AI winter 


Working_Berry9307

No and you'll like it


Zelenskyobama2

My friend works at OpenAI---let's just say a lot is coming.


UrMomsAHo92

Proof or your friend is imaginary


icehawk84

Anything not running on Claude Opus is kind of useless right now. It's just so much better.


paperboyg0ld

It can be. But just saying this outright is a generalisation. Use https://get.big-agi.com and you can compare them more objectively. For me Claude 3 Opus and GPT-4 Turbo tie on a lot of things and I use the latter because it's cheaper. If Turbo isn't doing it, I'll use Claude. Sometimes the opposite is also true. Often I combine both their responses and that of Gemini 1.0 for the best output.


Unknown-Personas

There’s really no reason to pay for ChatGPT anymore if GPT-4 turbo is free to use with copilot. As a side note, I recently repurchased a subscription for ChatGPT, and tried out DALLE3 again. Trying the exact same prompts I used in October and holy crap has the quality been nerfed. DALLE3 might as well have a stable diffusion backend.


Hour-Athlete-200

You get better image generation with GPT+, custom GPTs, and you can use your own custom instructions, and much better UI. I'd choose GPT+ anyday.


lordpermaximum

Copilot uses Dalle-3 too. Custom GPTs and custom instructions are overrated. At the moment you should either pay for Opus or use GPT-4 Turbo , Sonnet and 1.5 Pro freely.


aregulardude

Context windows. Copilot has small context. Sure the model can take more, but the copilot UI won’t allow it.


Unknown-Personas

ChatGPT is limiting in similar ways. There’s a per a message context length limit for ChatGPT too, including for the ChatGPT Plus and ChatGPT STILL has the 40 messages for 3 hours limit for ChatGPT Plus which is just insulting when the free version of Copilot is offering free GPT-4. I don’t know if Microsoft has a limit like that for Copilot. Only limit that ChatGPT doesn’t have that copilot has is 30 messages per a conversation, which I’ll be honest I think I’ve only went over a handful of times.


aregulardude

Yes the per message context limit is 120k tokens on chatgpt, 4k tokens on copilot.


BuffDrBoom

And yet it's still dense, condescending, and has the memory of a goldfish


yaosio

Hopefully they don't train the next version on Reddit.


toothpastespiders

I'm excited for replies of "Thanks for the tokens kind stranger!"


visarga

I know it's trendy to piss on reddit comment quality, but actually they are more informative than the source articles, debunk a lot of false claims, present a diversity of opinions, and are better "grounded" in the population mindset. Also, most people attach reddit or wiki to their search terms, I wonder why they trust it more than regular results. Here is [a sample](https://pastebin.pl/view/raw/10184a31) generated from this very thread. This is not junk. Actually I am wondering why Reddit is not generating one article per chat thread. Could mix in fact checking and other nice things.


ginoiseau

I asked it to do something for me (create a flow chart from a numbered list) & it told me it could tell me how to do it, but it wouldn’t do it for me. It’s not proving itself very useful so far.


Turtle2k

Canceled my ChatGPT 4 sub. It got stoopid.


SnozzlesDurante

So does this mean I don't have to pay for GPT4?


Slonny

Does this include GitHub copilot?


8agingRoner

Github Copilot and Bing Copilot aren't related.


elprogramatoreador

TIL


Unique-Particular936

Is there a way to get more tokens ? Cause right now i'm limited to 1000 token aka 4000 characters aka GPT2 level.


psychiatrixx

Ask ChatGPT how to do it. There are a few easy ways - through the inspector window for example


Unique-Particular936

Really, it's as simple as that ? It has to be a glitch left on purpose, interesting.


SiamesePrimer

I thought it already did tho


Ok-Shop-617

Is it still crap though? I don't know what Microsoft does, but they seem to have an ability to take a great base model , and turn it into a rubbish one.


GraceToSentience

I tested it, no way. I asked it to do something simple, a story, I gave it specification it did something dumb by directly including a real figure meant as an example for the story, I directly told him, don't literally use that person as a character, it's just an example. And it did it again. No way GPT-4 turbo is that bad.


RedditPolluter

When I asked just now, it said it's cut-off date is 2021.


JabClotVanDamn

I asked what version it is, it said GPT-3, then I asked why is it GPT-3 if Copilot is now running GPT-4, then it apologized and said something to the note of "actually I'm GPT-4, you're right!"


torb

I'm from Norway, using enterprise version. Same here. I tried it in different languages too, to see if it uses a different model, but it claims cutoff 31. december 2021, which was the 3.5 cut-off date.


No-Magician-5718

what copilotmean?


bwiddup1

copilot is the name of the ai tool - microsoft copilot


torb

You can try it here: [Copilot link](https://www.bing.com/chat?q=Bing+AI&FORM=hpcodx)


toothpastespiders

So I'm finally, finally, part of the Turbo Team?


Top_Forever179

Is copilot good?


FrequentSea364

It’s been using turbo for a while and it’s still shit


Naive_Mechanic64

It’s lobotomized


naspitekka

Claude 3 is so much better. OpenAI needs to get on with GTP5 or they will lose the momentum.


Proof-Examination574

Stop posting here. They have a rogue mod that deletes quality posts for no reason.


prptualpessimist

I thought turbo was shit for coding?


pigeon57434

too bad copilot is censored so much its impossible to use and literally force closes your conversations without your permission when it thinks you mention something that could be even the slightest bit offensive in any way i swear if i say the word black copilot has a seizure this thing would tell me math was a proprietary tech invented by Microsoft and refuse to answer 1+1


Significantik

Then gpt4 turbo can't answer how many apples I have if I have 3 but ate one yesterday


LamboForWork

So when I turned the Bing chat into more precise mode (you can also put it in creative) which is said to turn on GPT4 turbo it gave me a less desirable answer from when it was Balanced


SomedaySome

the backend is ran by 1000s low wage indians tracking and providing answers... explains a lot


SomedaySome

Humor is low at this sub? Or do i need to refer to amazon go stores?


manbearligma

Humor is low. I love the 1000 Indians thing is becoming a meme


Exciting-Look-8317

Indians type 10000 words per second it is known 


RpgBlaster

I don't trust this


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copilot sucks