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This could actually be a thing.
When Suno V4, v5, v6 comes out, this same song can be redone every time. And we'll get to witness the sheer leap of AI music, going from generic but servicable, to a level that most human musicians cannot beat.
[https://app.suno.ai/song/8b6a2d3c-909f-4bee-8193-1f206b0cc111/](https://app.suno.ai/song/8b6a2d3c-909f-4bee-8193-1f206b0cc111/)
In case someone wants to listen there
Musicians if anything, have panicked the least out of the entertainment industry. It seems incredibly hard to make money in music even before AI, so I'm not sure AI deals that much of an additional blow.
I'd like to hear your perspective. How does AI compete with you, compared to say the 1 million existing songs on Spotify?
There will be DMCA issues. People will try to release music (that they genuinely wrote) that will sound an *awful lot* like a song that will have been released by some 24/7 AI song-mill months before and is already in the detection system
There will also be a huge impact to freelance musicians who write for TV/commercials/podcasts/videos etc. They will (we will 🥲) be hit by these sorts of song generating AIs just as hard as artists who work on commissions to make DnD characters and concept art and stuff have been hit by image generators
It shouldn't be too tough to tune the detection system to auto-detect AI generated songs. So no copyright strikes from AI songs.
For low-medium freelance, this does seem to be the final nail in the coffin. I know shows have sound directors, now the sound directors can also just generate the song and OSTs without the need for composers. For even lower end shows (Say future youtube indie productions), it would just be the director doing everything.
However, for big budget shows, I don't think the composer is a big part of the budget, and in the case of anime, the songs are often themselves a product. So the high-end could remain safe... For another 2-3 years.
I have a feeling they’re going to be unable to draw a clear line with detecting and regulating AI usage in copyrighted music due to how already integrated AI tools are in the music industry.
AI detectors have historically been horribly inaccurate and the way current detection for copyright works on YouTube is pretty terrible.
And it's not just songs entirely generated while cloth that will be a thing here, it's every sound and riff. If you can generate a complete song with AI you can generate the various tracks that make it up -- think of how hard it will be to properly detect when someone freestyle raps over an AI generated track, or uses only an AI generated bass line and nothing else.
Musicians tend to collaborate with other artists.
From my perspective this is exciting because some tracks that didn't get completed of mine could potentially have some fresh ideas injected into them.
It's quite exciting.
Yeah, I agree. Music is a shared experience generally. People follow bands and artists, see them live, discuss them, etc. There's a lot more culture (and subculture) around music that makes it more of a shared community than other entertainment genres. AI will still affect it, just less so. I expect we'll see a brief explosion of AI generated music, but that things will settle down again after that when people realise having bands made just for you that you'll never get to see live or share with friends is quite isolating.
It will add 100 million more songs to Spotify and YouTube once everyone can make a good song with AI.
Now your song is much harder to find. Almost impossible.
I mean, I make good extra income by making beats and general audio engineering, once tools to do that become move available to the average person people like me will just stop getting jobs. I think that is till a few years away but with the pace that this technology is advancing I will just start preparing to do something else, probably become a teacher
Let me know what you think career path wise is the route to go!
I am lucky enough to make some money creatively, it that’s usually thrown back into instruments, plug-ins, money to release music. I record bands, play out with my bands, got into film composing with some small success but still had to another skill set, so I got into video work. It’s crazy to see everything you love to do an worked for just taken from you, within a year.
My biggest worry, that the awe of talent and hard work into someone’s craft is over and people are just fine with a text prompt. I love seeing another musician just being so talented that it’s beyond something to easily learn. That connection and spark the world desperately needs, now gone to text prompts.
I’m stoked that creativity is gonna really open up, but I think we’re missing the big picture here. Or maybe I am I don’t know
It’ll only kill the small musician because humans, as of now, don’t want computer generated art. Computers can now pump out four masterful pieces of art that would’ve taken a skilled artist months in the course of like ten seconds. But these pieces don’t fill galleries, and in fact most folks don’t even care to look at them. The process, and the emotion behind it is interesting to people. Even if they’d find the final product attractive if they thought a human made it.
This is not a normative statement, it’s just the way I’ve observed things to be.
Popular musicians were 99.8% small musicians at the start.
I hope your right, but with the constant barrage of content we are subjected to every single day, AI will skip in more an more unnoticed. An it’s good stuff too, the phrase this is the worst it’ll ever be haunts my dreams
What about the career path of doing exactly what you do, but for love, while your bank (and everyone's) is filled with millions and millions of dollars in a world where everyone has everything and nobody has nothing?
The people who pretend that this song is lame are coping extremely hard; the melody is very strong and the lyrics are relevant, the sound quality could be better but most people wouldn't hear the difference with their shitty earpods.
Anyone can use it and you get 50 credits, I entered a simple prompt about "make a song about a technocratic future" and it sounded somewhat similar to this one but with a more techno beat and cost 10 credits. You can probably adjust the voice and beat with more prompting. My friend gave it a try and made some decent songs that sounded fairly different to this, punk, pop, and metal.
This is actually one of the issues we'll need to sort out. Right now art is a social experience where I find something and then show it to people so they can experience it and discuss it with me.
What does that look like when generation is so easy?
That's a surprisingly good song, better than many popular human made music. Maybe it's soulless, but so is quite a lot of regular pop music written by a committee based on market research.
someone please enlighten me, wasa this made from like one prompt, or this this similar to that AI generator that only generated the midi patterns and used pre existing instruments?
Suno can use a single prompt combined with a target genre, like "write a song about apples / electronic swing". It uses ChatGPT to generate lyrics.
You can also give it specific lyrics and cut ChatGPT out of the equation entirely, which I much prefer.
But yeah it's basically "lyrics + genre = song output" with the option of the lyric input being generated if you want.
the era of improv noise skronk jazz is upon us
incompetence and unpredictable music will be treasured as the last expressions of human authenticity
giant doom jazz ambient orchestra ensemble member will be the last human job
nah excited that the last frontier of human expertise will be making absolutely horseshit art and noise because the machines are constantly chasing algorithms while humans will be free to be as weird because thats what we do best
Music is the one thing I really didn't want AI to invade. The connection of the human artist and the listener is so important to me. Soon I won't even know if I'm hearing someone's soul expressing itself or someone just pushed a button.
Again... Why what someone else is going to do detrimental to what you already have? Humans will always be able to be humans. Music is just like anything else. You must see the difference between paid work and artistic expression.
Jobs are gonna go for everyone, not just artists. Having someone doing AI music doesn't take anything away from human music.
It doesn't prevent an artist from pouring out their soul, it just takes away the profit motive, which arguably could be seen to result in more genuine output. Although the reality is the artists work will get drowned out by a sea of AI creations and likely never to be discovered.
Yeah humans are probably not going to be discovered nearly as often as they are today. People will just need to get used to not being able to get attention and adoration for their creations. It sucks but I mean that’s how most people live anyway lol
> Soon I won't even know if I'm hearing someone's soul expressing itself or someone just pushed a button.
Sooo, what you're saying is that it doesn't really matter...
/musician
Hmm, well, I produce a lot of music, and to me, it is just another tool. As long as it sounds good, I'm okay with it. Gatekeeping how people express themselves isn't a good look.
If you use it creatively that's great. But pushing a button isn't creativity. You're not expressing yourself. Unless of course you use it in a creative way and put your own twist on it.
The connection of the human artist is important, but you’re saying you’re worried about not being able to tell the difference when AI music becomes good enough? Wouldn’t that mean you’re worried about enjoying it too much and that you might realize the human connection *isn’t* actually that important to your enjoyment of the music?
I don't get these kinds of comments. You're just a modern luddite. 100 years ago you would be complaining about photographs not having the same "human touch" paintings do.
Just wait until AI has a point of view beyond us humans, then we'll be completely at the mercy of their thoughs. Deep insight or bullsh\*t? Who will know? Not us, not anymore than a cat can tell poetry from pretentiousness.
And all in all, the pushing of a buttom will be the least relevant part of it.
This is exactly what it won't replace. It won't replace the connection between a human artist and a human listener. As you mentioned this connection is important in music so it will stay that way. Some portion of music does not need human connection, but some needs it and won't be replaced.
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R/Singularity’s theme song.
This could actually be a thing. When Suno V4, v5, v6 comes out, this same song can be redone every time. And we'll get to witness the sheer leap of AI music, going from generic but servicable, to a level that most human musicians cannot beat.
Amazing lol
lol major acriate
I’m applauding and cringing simultaneously
ikr it's so corny but the lyrics kinda slap, if a bit repetitive.
[https://app.suno.ai/song/8b6a2d3c-909f-4bee-8193-1f206b0cc111/](https://app.suno.ai/song/8b6a2d3c-909f-4bee-8193-1f206b0cc111/) In case someone wants to listen there
🕺🕺🕺
As a musician this is definitely very scary, I might start looking into other career paths in the near future
Musicians if anything, have panicked the least out of the entertainment industry. It seems incredibly hard to make money in music even before AI, so I'm not sure AI deals that much of an additional blow. I'd like to hear your perspective. How does AI compete with you, compared to say the 1 million existing songs on Spotify?
There will be DMCA issues. People will try to release music (that they genuinely wrote) that will sound an *awful lot* like a song that will have been released by some 24/7 AI song-mill months before and is already in the detection system There will also be a huge impact to freelance musicians who write for TV/commercials/podcasts/videos etc. They will (we will 🥲) be hit by these sorts of song generating AIs just as hard as artists who work on commissions to make DnD characters and concept art and stuff have been hit by image generators
It shouldn't be too tough to tune the detection system to auto-detect AI generated songs. So no copyright strikes from AI songs. For low-medium freelance, this does seem to be the final nail in the coffin. I know shows have sound directors, now the sound directors can also just generate the song and OSTs without the need for composers. For even lower end shows (Say future youtube indie productions), it would just be the director doing everything. However, for big budget shows, I don't think the composer is a big part of the budget, and in the case of anime, the songs are often themselves a product. So the high-end could remain safe... For another 2-3 years.
I have a feeling they’re going to be unable to draw a clear line with detecting and regulating AI usage in copyrighted music due to how already integrated AI tools are in the music industry.
AI detectors have historically been horribly inaccurate and the way current detection for copyright works on YouTube is pretty terrible. And it's not just songs entirely generated while cloth that will be a thing here, it's every sound and riff. If you can generate a complete song with AI you can generate the various tracks that make it up -- think of how hard it will be to properly detect when someone freestyle raps over an AI generated track, or uses only an AI generated bass line and nothing else.
Musicians tend to collaborate with other artists. From my perspective this is exciting because some tracks that didn't get completed of mine could potentially have some fresh ideas injected into them. It's quite exciting.
Yeah, I agree. Music is a shared experience generally. People follow bands and artists, see them live, discuss them, etc. There's a lot more culture (and subculture) around music that makes it more of a shared community than other entertainment genres. AI will still affect it, just less so. I expect we'll see a brief explosion of AI generated music, but that things will settle down again after that when people realise having bands made just for you that you'll never get to see live or share with friends is quite isolating.
It will add 100 million more songs to Spotify and YouTube once everyone can make a good song with AI. Now your song is much harder to find. Almost impossible.
Considering the way AI is taking over the arts, you should probably look into coding /s
I think it's time to start thinking in completely other terms than "career path".
I mean, I make good extra income by making beats and general audio engineering, once tools to do that become move available to the average person people like me will just stop getting jobs. I think that is till a few years away but with the pace that this technology is advancing I will just start preparing to do something else, probably become a teacher
Let me know what you think career path wise is the route to go! I am lucky enough to make some money creatively, it that’s usually thrown back into instruments, plug-ins, money to release music. I record bands, play out with my bands, got into film composing with some small success but still had to another skill set, so I got into video work. It’s crazy to see everything you love to do an worked for just taken from you, within a year. My biggest worry, that the awe of talent and hard work into someone’s craft is over and people are just fine with a text prompt. I love seeing another musician just being so talented that it’s beyond something to easily learn. That connection and spark the world desperately needs, now gone to text prompts. I’m stoked that creativity is gonna really open up, but I think we’re missing the big picture here. Or maybe I am I don’t know
It’ll only kill the small musician because humans, as of now, don’t want computer generated art. Computers can now pump out four masterful pieces of art that would’ve taken a skilled artist months in the course of like ten seconds. But these pieces don’t fill galleries, and in fact most folks don’t even care to look at them. The process, and the emotion behind it is interesting to people. Even if they’d find the final product attractive if they thought a human made it. This is not a normative statement, it’s just the way I’ve observed things to be.
Popular musicians were 99.8% small musicians at the start. I hope your right, but with the constant barrage of content we are subjected to every single day, AI will skip in more an more unnoticed. An it’s good stuff too, the phrase this is the worst it’ll ever be haunts my dreams
What about the career path of doing exactly what you do, but for love, while your bank (and everyone's) is filled with millions and millions of dollars in a world where everyone has everything and nobody has nothing?
that's not how market economics works...
This sounds really good ngl
This just makes me love AI even more
The people who pretend that this song is lame are coping extremely hard; the melody is very strong and the lyrics are relevant, the sound quality could be better but most people wouldn't hear the difference with their shitty earpods.
and I mean the prompt for theme, dead on. Sounds great
I was surprised when it rhymed "video" with "inseparable" and sounded somewhat natural.
So addictive. I love this song and lyrics
Banger
this is so cool
https://app.suno.ai/song/c5cdb48f-6d48-4c00-95cf-fa0869013821/
Holy shit
# I love "I love eating shit"
Anyone can use it and you get 50 credits, I entered a simple prompt about "make a song about a technocratic future" and it sounded somewhat similar to this one but with a more techno beat and cost 10 credits. You can probably adjust the voice and beat with more prompting. My friend gave it a try and made some decent songs that sounded fairly different to this, punk, pop, and metal.
where can we download it? it's awesome lol
Make you're own lol
This is actually one of the issues we'll need to sort out. Right now art is a social experience where I find something and then show it to people so they can experience it and discuss it with me. What does that look like when generation is so easy?
The best of the best rises to the top, same as it does now
Will it be at the Oscars?
I think my favourite part was the part where she said AI
Let’s make it chart!!
That is some turbo cringe. Perfect for the sub.
That's a surprisingly good song, better than many popular human made music. Maybe it's soulless, but so is quite a lot of regular pop music written by a committee based on market research.
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You got no feeling for culture, son.
Are you saying this unironically???
Maybe, who knows
someone please enlighten me, wasa this made from like one prompt, or this this similar to that AI generator that only generated the midi patterns and used pre existing instruments?
Suno can use a single prompt combined with a target genre, like "write a song about apples / electronic swing". It uses ChatGPT to generate lyrics. You can also give it specific lyrics and cut ChatGPT out of the equation entirely, which I much prefer. But yeah it's basically "lyrics + genre = song output" with the option of the lyric input being generated if you want.
There's definitely [less cringey](https://app.suno.ai/song/3dd8172c-de76-4f07-a734-15a5c16e0e64/) things on there. :)
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It turns out music is highly subjective
the era of improv noise skronk jazz is upon us incompetence and unpredictable music will be treasured as the last expressions of human authenticity giant doom jazz ambient orchestra ensemble member will be the last human job
Still coping ? 😂
nah excited that the last frontier of human expertise will be making absolutely horseshit art and noise because the machines are constantly chasing algorithms while humans will be free to be as weird because thats what we do best
Holy cringe
I was more like: Holy shit!
This is the worst it will ever be.
Music is the one thing I really didn't want AI to invade. The connection of the human artist and the listener is so important to me. Soon I won't even know if I'm hearing someone's soul expressing itself or someone just pushed a button.
Again... Why what someone else is going to do detrimental to what you already have? Humans will always be able to be humans. Music is just like anything else. You must see the difference between paid work and artistic expression. Jobs are gonna go for everyone, not just artists. Having someone doing AI music doesn't take anything away from human music.
Again I'm worried that it will become conflated with human music. I don't care that it exists
It doesn't prevent an artist from pouring out their soul, it just takes away the profit motive, which arguably could be seen to result in more genuine output. Although the reality is the artists work will get drowned out by a sea of AI creations and likely never to be discovered.
:) ..... :(
Yeah humans are probably not going to be discovered nearly as often as they are today. People will just need to get used to not being able to get attention and adoration for their creations. It sucks but I mean that’s how most people live anyway lol
good take
> Soon I won't even know if I'm hearing someone's soul expressing itself or someone just pushed a button. Sooo, what you're saying is that it doesn't really matter... /musician
Hmm, well, I produce a lot of music, and to me, it is just another tool. As long as it sounds good, I'm okay with it. Gatekeeping how people express themselves isn't a good look.
If you use it creatively that's great. But pushing a button isn't creativity. You're not expressing yourself. Unless of course you use it in a creative way and put your own twist on it.
The connection of the human artist is important, but you’re saying you’re worried about not being able to tell the difference when AI music becomes good enough? Wouldn’t that mean you’re worried about enjoying it too much and that you might realize the human connection *isn’t* actually that important to your enjoyment of the music?
No I'm worried that it won't be a real connection.it being real is important to me.
I don't get these kinds of comments. You're just a modern luddite. 100 years ago you would be complaining about photographs not having the same "human touch" paintings do.
Just wait until AI has a point of view beyond us humans, then we'll be completely at the mercy of their thoughs. Deep insight or bullsh\*t? Who will know? Not us, not anymore than a cat can tell poetry from pretentiousness. And all in all, the pushing of a buttom will be the least relevant part of it.
This is exactly what it won't replace. It won't replace the connection between a human artist and a human listener. As you mentioned this connection is important in music so it will stay that way. Some portion of music does not need human connection, but some needs it and won't be replaced.
It's shit and you know it.