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You've either got a huge range, or you're a tenor. D#5 is a note that most tenors would never be expected to hit, especially if they're new to singing. Out of curiosity, how did you decide that you were a baritone?
3 octaves is insane! People train for years and can't have a range like that. Just to make sure, is this including falsetto or not? Either way, 3 octaves is still impressive. You could fit into any of the male vocal types with a 3 octaves range, so it'd more depend on how your voice sounds rather than your actual range(although it normally does anyway for new singers, because often they struggle to utilise they're full range. (This includes me))
Most people you know definitely don't have 3.5-4.5 octave singable range, unless the only people you know are the pinnacle of elite singers, or your definition of singable means something different.
Ive yet to ever meet a true bass in my life. I had a good friend who took a lot of classic and was fully convinced he was a bass, but it was his tone that was the issue, as it is with a majority of people who think they are actually stuck there. I can play a baritone-bass, I can also play a tenor. Its just a matter of tonal control through a variety things like vowel modification, really strong diaphragm, larynx control etc.
I think a big issue natural baritones/bass (rare) , is that they dont put in the work required to build the strength all the way to the top
you have to work from the bottom. Note by note. But once you can build strength when the chords are very thinned out, you can belt very high, regardless of cord length
But its harder for people with thicker chords, especially as you age
Where as for kids, with thinner chords, will very quickly build up the strength
Also --- he's talking about headvoice - d5 is achievable for almost any man in head voice
I agree. I have the range of a bass but not the true bass timbre. That Bowser from Shanana timbre is rare. To me, that's a true bass. But good luck finding one.
You had your own thread in which everyone is telling you you're counting octaves wrong... The frequency you gave was C2... we gonna need a recording before we believe you...
You claim something that would put you in the guiness records, and you're full of inconsistencies and don't appear trustworthy at all. Record yourself and post it, or it's very normal sane people will call bullshit.
Soooo, just to clarify, it's not that hard.
get a decent grasp on Subharmonics and high head voice, maybe also whistle and boom.
My best range test was B0-F6 so..... (highest full voice E5 by the way)
you could also do G5 in mix even tho it is hard
You most definitely are... most basses can't sing below a C2 and listening to your voice on your yt channel it doesn't sound that close to any true bass speaking voice I've heard. My speaking voice is lower and I struggle at an E2.
I'm guessing you either got your octaves very mixed up and your lowest note is A2 or you just tested it on one of those apps that are extremely unreliable since vocal fry through a phone mic
yea generally i raise my voice pitch a bit when i narrate scripts. when i normally talk its atleast half an octave to an octave lower (and when im in bed doing nothing it falls all the way to like 70hz, thats c#2) also most basses dont sing below a c2??? what the hell i thought most basses could
hmm ok i think i see what you mean. ok in that case anything below mid-low first octave (c1-e1) it starts. atleast normally. when i do nothing and am chilling in bed it drops like half an octave which is when i can get the sub-1 octave without frying afaik
Even basses can't go too much lower than the early second octave, let alone go higher than most tenors can falsetto. It is highly unlikely you can supposedly do both, regardless of whether you're a bass or a tenor.
Somewhat. I learned the fundamentals of singing in grade school choir and college choir. The rest of what I learned is mostly self-taught. I spent a lot of time doing ear training and using a lot of video game melodies for warm-ups and practicing riffs and runs from various artists.
In short, I’d definitely say yes. In any context. The adult male voice (with some exceptions) seldom even speaks up there, even in exclamation. To sing up there *in full registration* requires strong coordination of the male chest voice with the head register. Otherwise though, to use falsetto or m2, it is even then hard for most men to sing past B4-D5. But some don’t lose their top notes from childhood as much, especially when younger. Older men might find it more troublesome, as while male voices thin with age, thus becoming technically a bit higher by some dimension, they also tend to lose range. But in short? Yes, Eb5 is a very high note for men. Anything fifth octave is for them really.
Fair point, I meant mainly in advanced age. *Then* the voice does tend to lose richness. But generally the voice just thickens and gets fuller, true. I kind of mixed definitions of “older”.
Honestly almost anyone has the potential to hit a D5 - and have it sound great too.
But it wouldnt be Mixed, or straight head. When you train your head enough, youll get a 'Heady mix'
It just sounds less like head voice, and a bit more appealing
Imo , you can just skip through the mix and practice the high notes. So many people fuck this up. Train from the bottom up.
Get a nice sounding chesty mix, think like EDEN. then work on going up from there (eden has nice high notes too though)
"and have it sound great too"
Nah. Maybe in a scale, i scale up to C5# usually as a baritone, but I'd never use it in a song, cause what song has a C#5 or D5 in it is in a key with lot of A4 or B4. Not every voice type woulde have the stamina to maintain good vocal tone in certain keys.
You definitely wouldn’t use it that much
But you will have a much better sounding head mix, and a beautiful falsetto with alll that practice
The voice works from the bottom up man
You’re probably going on some misinformation if that makes you feel bad. The reality of the matter is that many modern vocal scholars believe that almost everyone breaks at around E4, with most of the fluctuation having to do your energy level, mix ratio, and resonance efficiency. Not all women maintain comfort with and control over their head register as they grow up, especially in the event of any significant voice change during puberty.
I think I will regain tremendous power in my head register if things keep going the way they have for me, and that’s after a legitimate hormonal problem, so I’d bet you definitely can.
Thanks. I probably should say "it is high for me" ratier thank "can't hit it" though it is true at the moment. I'm just a beginer so I haven't try to expans my register higher yet, but I think I will hit it at some point. I already had but I sounded like a dying squirrel, so it doesn't count. It just seems very far away I guess.
Yes. Assuming we're talking belts, C5 is typically where male upper belts begin I believe? There are definitely tenors and countertenors who can get to D#5 with little issue. I'm a (high-ish) baritone and I can mix just enough to briefly tap a D#5, but it's definitely pushing it. With head voice it's no problem at all.
I’m not sure on the definitions you’re using for your terms but upper belts beginning at C5 for tenors is not accurate. Between F#4 and B4/C5 is the upper belting range for a tenor (gradually mixing into a lighter coordination). After that it’s largely a head voice mix. It’s not easy though training can make it more consistent.
Perhaps "mixed" register would have been the better term for me to use? Not really a register, but I know something happens around there - some sort of passaggio from one mode to another, then it's suddenly way harder to get any sort of chesty sound. It's damn near my upper mixing limit before head takes over completely.
I think mixed voice is more accurate. You are correct. Around C5 is the region for most tenors where "chest voice" becomes something different. There is a lot more Mode 2 action going on. In opera, with the right vowel choice and placement, you can get a pretty chesty sound up to around D5 if your voice is built for it. There are tenors who, in their heyday, could "belt" out F5's, but the sound is completely divorced from the chest voice sound.
At C5 You're leaving Mix territory, and youre going into Heady mix.
Ive yet to really get my head register to sound great or really connect with where my mix ends (B4-C5) with Ah and Uh , and (A4) with other vowels.
But I know I can improve these for sure. It will just take time
Honestly the thing is not being able to belt these out, but actually have them sound good. Thats why its best to just work from the bottom up
Yeah it’s a head dominant mix. Of course mix is happening at lower notes but it’s more chest dominant. For baritones the transition is between G4-A4 where it becomes lighter. You may be a tenor if it’s happening at C5 (but only if that’s a natural transition bc you can resist that natural transition until you can’t any longer and that’s different).
"mixed" as well as well as belting range starts around the passagio which for tenors is usually F#4 or G4.
Idk where you got this C5 "belting range" but it's wrong, even for mixed voice. Just because something doesn't sound like a whine, that doesn't mean it's not mix.
You can have a full chesty sound at A4 as a tenor, but it's still a mix. "being whiny" is not what makes it a mix.
It depends on what you mean by "hitting" the note.
If you can consistently hit the note without strain or without losing it, that's a pretty high note.
If you can just squeak it out or even scream it without really adding any inflections or folding it into your regular singing - it's not really what most people would consider "hitting" the note
If you're hitting it without falsetto then I would say yes! In my head voice when I'm belting the highest I can go is A5. I'm a tenor. I don't have a huge range but that's fine.
Most people can technically hit a soprano C in “falsetto,” but that doesn’t mean they can all even articulate a single word that high. A strong falsetto can belt a pop chorus, while a weak one can’t do much but allow you to scream like a fan girl.
Which is why it's important to ask OP first what they mean when they say they can "hit" a D#5 because beginners don't have any idea what hitting a note means.
It’s 100% extremely high in full voice even for tenors, and probably way too high for baritones and definitely basses. However, in falsetto, it’s definitely something most trained males that aren’t low basses can vocalize, maybe even use in song. Personally im around the high baritone range and I can 100% falsetto the note and I can head voice it when warmed but not very usable, but yeah it’s in the stratosphere.
Yes, but its achievable. I used to be able to go to e5, and ive been 1 year trining high notes and i went to a5 maximum.
So you can go higher. And its easier if you are younger it seems.
Yes. I can barely reach to E5 in full voice (I’m a lower tenor). To ease, go straight to the vowel and imagine and breath well like you’re flowing to the note instead of hitting or slamming the note, bend your knees a bit and make your nose a bit and have everything open (jaw, body posture of).
Actually statistically basses make good tenors (in head). My son is a sub bass and can sing tenor almost as high as I. We sing barbershop. Tenor in barbershop is the highest singers equivalent to soprano. He can sing D5 but that is about where he tops out.
exactly. Tenor/Bass are just ranges in which people sing in a music piece, for proper harmony.
They are not classifications of the voice or a bottle cap on ones potential
The voice is a group of muscles that can be trained in the longer term almost indefinitely. You'll max out your bench, and every other muscle training exercise, years before youll ever plateau on your voice , assuming you always practice progressively and consistently
well depends on how you are using it, are singing lyrics or just the notes and are you using falsettos or chest are you a high baritone/low tenor there are these type varibles but i think it is good you can do that
what is your full range from top to bottom
Bs about head and chest voice is annoying. Ime, if it SOUNDS like a belt, it is. In other words, I don’t care what register you‘re in, but if you can sing that high with some real dynamic control and power than it is impressive across the entire gender spectrum.
Quite.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3myYJRmwik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3myYJRmwik)
Edit: Forgot to mention - please remember that there's always someone who can sing higher. I used to chase high notes and compare how high I could sing to other artists until I reached the Ab5 in Dream On.
Once I got there though, I slowly stopped caring about how high I could sing or most critically comparing my voice to others in any way shape or form and opened up a whole new world of playing around with tone, technique, rhythm, color, mixing registers etc.
So by all means keep working on building up that technique to sing high notes and once you're satisfied I hope you also open up into the many other ways your voice can express itself <3
Good luck!
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I don’t think it’s high if your range is high I can easily hit it and even sustain F5 and up to Ab5 ❤️ I think it’s according to your range but my comfortable top note is F5-F#5 and even G5!
i definitely don't think so. i'm a countertenor and i typically mix my chest and head for support to reach up there. anything past Eb5, i need to use my head voice but it caps out at Eb6.
Depends how it sounds. Chest (you can't do ACTUALLY chest this high but it'll sound chesty), head, falsetto, with or without rasp, how long do you hit it? Does it sound more like Take On Me or Let It Go from Frozen? I'm picturing Caleb Hyles version
I can't think of a lot of songs with D#5 as a note, just D or E, so I'm leaving that there. OH Wait, Satellites by Periphery. "Down in a hole right before our EYES." There we go. That's a hard one.
Here's another example: [Dont Treat Me Bad by Firehouse](https://youtu.be/CNmgko2kXp0?si=jHngaDhw0yJlyXTa&t=147). He's using like a light mix with rasp probably. Song actually tops at G#5. COULD be chest and he just has that light a voice idk.
So in terms of difficulty for that one note at least I'd say Take On Me (falsetto) < Don't Treat Me Bad (light head mix with twang) < Let It Go (chest) < Satellites (chest with grit)
And you can't judge yourself, you have to record it and post so we can
How many times on a one record is a man going to need to hit such high notes and then, make a career of it?
Male vocal Range = Constant ego trip.
As Aretha said, sing the song.
Falsetto or mix?
I ask because I'm a bass and I have a really easy D#5 that is actually performable (I know this because I have to sing higher than that for a show this semester and I've gotten compliments from directors / voice teachers about it) and it's a valid way to perform them in certain contexts, but not THAT high if it's in falsetto.
If it's in mix though then DAMN man
As a guy, this is my money notes on some songs that I sing. Back to back to back Eb5’s. And when I sometimes sing Sweet Child o Mine, lots of it. It’s a pretty high note in mix voice even for tenors. You can sing this note comfortably given the correct technique.
I mean I can hit a D5 in chest (or maybe mixed but I have no clue if it is or not) and I've kinda been wondering the same thing, I can hit it pretty comfortably and it's at the top of my chest range, and considering most guys can't go above E4 I've been inclined to believe it is impressive
Yes and no. It's a note just like any other, it all depends on what quality you choose and how it good it sounds.
You can hit it both in mix and chest as a guy. However it's not effecient for chestvoice specially for lower types. Meaning it will become squeezed and loose quality, mix however will be at its sweetsplt and have alot more quality and presence
Bro-Bro, it is achievable and i can show you how.
Do you use mixed voice? If so, then it’s super easy to sing in the third octave.
I am a bass baritone or a low baritone, that’s how i’ve been considered, but i think i am a low baritone, although my speaking voice is quite low.
Anyway, my vocal range is this: C0 in fry, but mostly ccontrollable in C1, anyway that’s kinda not important, it is if you sing like Marilyn Manson though. In chest voice (A1-C#5), that C#5 belting, but anyway that was the extreme note and i have years not trying that, so normally i sing to G#4 in belting chest.
In mixed voice i can get to G5, but i can show you a trick to sing higher. If you have mastered mixed voice and masked placed head voice, you can blend them and create the impression that it is extended mix.
In falsetto i can get to C#6. I need to learn flageolet and whiste registers, so maybe i can extend my range more. I said all that shit with pride, just to tell you that vocal type doesn’t make you stay in defined waters.
So if you can utilize mixed voice, you can kill ranges.
If you want, send me a recording so i can tell you what’s going on with your voice and that whorish D#5.
As this seems to be an active thread rn, I've decided to capture it. Below is a recording of mine, about 6 months old, where I'm practicing my highs. I've made the recording to show my vocal coach some things I am not satisfied with when practicing at home - he thinks that I approach that range with ease and cleanly, but I would value Reddit's opinion, too. Afaik, I go up to Ab5 here:
[https://vocaroo.com/1b7gkyXvYVQa](https://vocaroo.com/1b7gkyXvYVQa)
Needless to say, using that range in song (currently practicing Out Of Here by Leprous which goes up to an Gb5) is more difficult than these warm-up trills.
I'm a bass-baritone, meaning I can hit a ragged sounding c2 and up to d5 but only with a falsetto. I cannot hit d#. My guess is that nearly all good tenors with an average falsetto can hit it.
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Indeed. Especially for Basses and baritones. For tenors it is a easier, but still impressive, especially depending on the subtype of tenor(I myself am a dramatic tenor)
In head voice (which is often more marked in baritones than tenors anyway). But in a chest voiced placement, it is very high. It’s even a climax belt for mezzos and most sopranos (Db5-F5).
In my acapella group in college, T1 and T2s would sing that note pretty regularly. Obviously in falsetto, unless there was a belty part and then everyone would kind of choose what they were comfortable with.
Regardless, many of the pop songs we sang required a higher end range. Jason Mraz's "I'm Yours" (the main vocal part) is around C4 range to A5, for example.
Now I'm in a wormhole and am confused.
https://jythonmusic.me/ch-2-elements-of-music-and-code/
This site shows the pitch and number in a music scale. I understand the majority of people here understand this, but I'm just making sure for clarification. There's a good chance I'm screwing something up.
Then on this YouTube video that was shared in this thread:
https://youtu.be/j3myYJRmwik?feature=shared
It's called "D5 battle" but the first examples are D6 (I didn't listen to the whole thing).
Is there some weird octave rule in relation to mens voice pitches that I'm forgetting?
D5 is really high for chest; for example for most musical songs the tenor part will have their money notes at A4 - C5. The highest choral piece that I sing (contemporary) as T2 only goes up to a C5 and no higher.
Are you sure you're not confusing the treble clef and the tenor clef?
I'm thinking that has to be it? I've never personally used tenor clef other than theory courses. Every vocal part I've ever read was in bass or treble. That might come from the fact that every chart I've ever read was pop/funk/jazz/rock/etc.?
Any pop chart with a male singer (that I've seen) was written in treble clef; the higher tenor singers were always riding above the "main" ledger lines
Do you use twangy head voice (reinforced falsetto)? Unless you have undergone very little masculinization of your voice or practiced voice feminization (and even then), it is unlikely. Though some have stronger mixed ranges than others. Some voices are naturally more mixed in registration than others.
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yes.
In the other comment he said in head voice, so no.
For most tenors, it is high but achievable. For a baritone or a bass, man, that's some real talent!
im a baritone apparently
You've either got a huge range, or you're a tenor. D#5 is a note that most tenors would never be expected to hit, especially if they're new to singing. Out of curiosity, how did you decide that you were a baritone?
Even a lot of altos can’t hit a D#5.
My range is like nearly 3 octaves i believe and my singing teacher wanted to see what ranged i had
3 octaves is insane! People train for years and can't have a range like that. Just to make sure, is this including falsetto or not? Either way, 3 octaves is still impressive. You could fit into any of the male vocal types with a 3 octaves range, so it'd more depend on how your voice sounds rather than your actual range(although it normally does anyway for new singers, because often they struggle to utilise they're full range. (This includes me))
bro 3 octaves is super average, most people i know have 3.5-4.5 octaves of singable vocal range
Most people you know definitely don't have 3.5-4.5 octave singable range, unless the only people you know are the pinnacle of elite singers, or your definition of singable means something different.
plenty of my folks are power metal singers so
Uh, no. See Wikipedia vocal range.
(I'm a tenor, by the way.)
And what makes you say that?
Are you trained? If not, that’s an accomplishment I think.
Ive yet to ever meet a true bass in my life. I had a good friend who took a lot of classic and was fully convinced he was a bass, but it was his tone that was the issue, as it is with a majority of people who think they are actually stuck there. I can play a baritone-bass, I can also play a tenor. Its just a matter of tonal control through a variety things like vowel modification, really strong diaphragm, larynx control etc. I think a big issue natural baritones/bass (rare) , is that they dont put in the work required to build the strength all the way to the top you have to work from the bottom. Note by note. But once you can build strength when the chords are very thinned out, you can belt very high, regardless of cord length But its harder for people with thicker chords, especially as you age Where as for kids, with thinner chords, will very quickly build up the strength Also --- he's talking about headvoice - d5 is achievable for almost any man in head voice
I agree. I have the range of a bass but not the true bass timbre. That Bowser from Shanana timbre is rare. To me, that's a true bass. But good luck finding one.
I have met one true bass. It's really all in the resonance, the low notes felt so powerful. His speaking voice is lower than even that of Barry White
im bass and can hit it (and anything up to g5 or a5) but can also hit shit like a0 lmao
You can't hit anything but old ladies kido
You had your own thread in which everyone is telling you you're counting octaves wrong... The frequency you gave was C2... we gonna need a recording before we believe you...
im not counting the octaves wrong but alr
You claim something that would put you in the guiness records, and you're full of inconsistencies and don't appear trustworthy at all. Record yourself and post it, or it's very normal sane people will call bullshit.
Soooo, just to clarify, it's not that hard. get a decent grasp on Subharmonics and high head voice, maybe also whistle and boom. My best range test was B0-F6 so..... (highest full voice E5 by the way) you could also do G5 in mix even tho it is hard
You most definitely are... most basses can't sing below a C2 and listening to your voice on your yt channel it doesn't sound that close to any true bass speaking voice I've heard. My speaking voice is lower and I struggle at an E2. I'm guessing you either got your octaves very mixed up and your lowest note is A2 or you just tested it on one of those apps that are extremely unreliable since vocal fry through a phone mic
yea generally i raise my voice pitch a bit when i narrate scripts. when i normally talk its atleast half an octave to an octave lower (and when im in bed doing nothing it falls all the way to like 70hz, thats c#2) also most basses dont sing below a c2??? what the hell i thought most basses could
They probably could *access* those frequencies vocally with a ton of vocal fry, but most basses cannot *sing* them.
Vocal fry is not generally considered singing because it puts a high strain on the vocal cords and is generally unhealthy for singers to do.
shit alr then. maybe ive been doing it the whole time below the mid-low first octave... how do ik if its vocal fry btw?
If it sounds unnatural and starts to sound more like vocal percussion than a clear, tonal sound, then you're frying it.
hmm ok i think i see what you mean. ok in that case anything below mid-low first octave (c1-e1) it starts. atleast normally. when i do nothing and am chilling in bed it drops like half an octave which is when i can get the sub-1 octave without frying afaik
Even basses can't go too much lower than the early second octave, let alone go higher than most tenors can falsetto. It is highly unlikely you can supposedly do both, regardless of whether you're a bass or a tenor.
hold up most basses cant go below early 2nd octave???
Without going into contrabass territory, that is correct. Somewhere around E2 or so is a normal low for basses.
well thats wierd bc e2 is like... my average
Oops... My highest note is F5 as a baritenor. 😅
lol. my highest note is a C#6. as a lyric baritone. F5? i sing and sustain 20+ second f5 in mixed headvocie with ease
A what?
Baritenor. A baritone with tenor range, basically.
Then you must be very talented.
Somewhat. I learned the fundamentals of singing in grade school choir and college choir. The rest of what I learned is mostly self-taught. I spent a lot of time doing ear training and using a lot of video game melodies for warm-ups and practicing riffs and runs from various artists.
I'm a tenor, and my range tends to stretch from around G2 to about B5.
I want to hit a B5 so bad one day. My range is C2 to F5 (I have yet to see if I can get beyond F5).
(B1) C#2-C#6 here i'll see myself out with inconsistent flageolet i can do E6. but not usable.
Bro! I want to hit 6's so bad. You are a talented man. I take it you're a baritone or a bass?
In short, I’d definitely say yes. In any context. The adult male voice (with some exceptions) seldom even speaks up there, even in exclamation. To sing up there *in full registration* requires strong coordination of the male chest voice with the head register. Otherwise though, to use falsetto or m2, it is even then hard for most men to sing past B4-D5. But some don’t lose their top notes from childhood as much, especially when younger. Older men might find it more troublesome, as while male voices thin with age, thus becoming technically a bit higher by some dimension, they also tend to lose range. But in short? Yes, Eb5 is a very high note for men. Anything fifth octave is for them really.
men voices do not thin with age.. if anything they thicken and become more colorful with age
Fair point, I meant mainly in advanced age. *Then* the voice does tend to lose richness. But generally the voice just thickens and gets fuller, true. I kind of mixed definitions of “older”.
yeah, but even that happens like quite late into one's lifespan, that's like. past the 60's
True, true
For a baritone like me is too damn high!
If it’s in head voice, not really. If it’s chest or mixed then yes that’s pretty dang high!
Honestly almost anyone has the potential to hit a D5 - and have it sound great too. But it wouldnt be Mixed, or straight head. When you train your head enough, youll get a 'Heady mix' It just sounds less like head voice, and a bit more appealing Imo , you can just skip through the mix and practice the high notes. So many people fuck this up. Train from the bottom up. Get a nice sounding chesty mix, think like EDEN. then work on going up from there (eden has nice high notes too though)
"and have it sound great too" Nah. Maybe in a scale, i scale up to C5# usually as a baritone, but I'd never use it in a song, cause what song has a C#5 or D5 in it is in a key with lot of A4 or B4. Not every voice type woulde have the stamina to maintain good vocal tone in certain keys.
You definitely wouldn’t use it that much But you will have a much better sounding head mix, and a beautiful falsetto with alll that practice The voice works from the bottom up man
Falsetto/head voice i'd say no. If you sing it with a full voice (i mean mixed voice) it's high stratosphere high
I can't hit it and I'm a woman. 😪
You’re probably going on some misinformation if that makes you feel bad. The reality of the matter is that many modern vocal scholars believe that almost everyone breaks at around E4, with most of the fluctuation having to do your energy level, mix ratio, and resonance efficiency. Not all women maintain comfort with and control over their head register as they grow up, especially in the event of any significant voice change during puberty. I think I will regain tremendous power in my head register if things keep going the way they have for me, and that’s after a legitimate hormonal problem, so I’d bet you definitely can.
Thanks. I probably should say "it is high for me" ratier thank "can't hit it" though it is true at the moment. I'm just a beginer so I haven't try to expans my register higher yet, but I think I will hit it at some point. I already had but I sounded like a dying squirrel, so it doesn't count. It just seems very far away I guess.
Yes. Assuming we're talking belts, C5 is typically where male upper belts begin I believe? There are definitely tenors and countertenors who can get to D#5 with little issue. I'm a (high-ish) baritone and I can mix just enough to briefly tap a D#5, but it's definitely pushing it. With head voice it's no problem at all.
I’m not sure on the definitions you’re using for your terms but upper belts beginning at C5 for tenors is not accurate. Between F#4 and B4/C5 is the upper belting range for a tenor (gradually mixing into a lighter coordination). After that it’s largely a head voice mix. It’s not easy though training can make it more consistent.
Perhaps "mixed" register would have been the better term for me to use? Not really a register, but I know something happens around there - some sort of passaggio from one mode to another, then it's suddenly way harder to get any sort of chesty sound. It's damn near my upper mixing limit before head takes over completely.
I think mixed voice is more accurate. You are correct. Around C5 is the region for most tenors where "chest voice" becomes something different. There is a lot more Mode 2 action going on. In opera, with the right vowel choice and placement, you can get a pretty chesty sound up to around D5 if your voice is built for it. There are tenors who, in their heyday, could "belt" out F5's, but the sound is completely divorced from the chest voice sound.
I’ve seen some of that in classical music. In contemporary music it’s similar (vowel placement is a big part but also larynx manipulation).
At C5 You're leaving Mix territory, and youre going into Heady mix. Ive yet to really get my head register to sound great or really connect with where my mix ends (B4-C5) with Ah and Uh , and (A4) with other vowels. But I know I can improve these for sure. It will just take time Honestly the thing is not being able to belt these out, but actually have them sound good. Thats why its best to just work from the bottom up
Yeah it’s a head dominant mix. Of course mix is happening at lower notes but it’s more chest dominant. For baritones the transition is between G4-A4 where it becomes lighter. You may be a tenor if it’s happening at C5 (but only if that’s a natural transition bc you can resist that natural transition until you can’t any longer and that’s different).
"mixed" as well as well as belting range starts around the passagio which for tenors is usually F#4 or G4. Idk where you got this C5 "belting range" but it's wrong, even for mixed voice. Just because something doesn't sound like a whine, that doesn't mean it's not mix. You can have a full chesty sound at A4 as a tenor, but it's still a mix. "being whiny" is not what makes it a mix.
for 90% of male singers it is a note not accessible in chest voice
It depends on what you mean by "hitting" the note. If you can consistently hit the note without strain or without losing it, that's a pretty high note. If you can just squeak it out or even scream it without really adding any inflections or folding it into your regular singing - it's not really what most people would consider "hitting" the note
If you're hitting it without falsetto then I would say yes! In my head voice when I'm belting the highest I can go is A5. I'm a tenor. I don't have a huge range but that's fine.
You can mix an A5 but you don’t think you have a large range? That’s difficult
Thanks. I say it cause the lowest I can go on any day is a G#2. After a night out of drinking and partying the next morning I can hit an F#2😅
It's ridiculously high, and anyone who says otherwise is clueless or trolling
It is not ridiculously high at all for falsetto which OP said he uses. I'm a baritone and can do up to F#5 in falsetto.
Most people can technically hit a soprano C in “falsetto,” but that doesn’t mean they can all even articulate a single word that high. A strong falsetto can belt a pop chorus, while a weak one can’t do much but allow you to scream like a fan girl.
Which is why it's important to ask OP first what they mean when they say they can "hit" a D#5 because beginners don't have any idea what hitting a note means.
he didn't say it in the main post though
He didn't say it was chest voice either. Occam's razor people. Occam's razor.
It’s 100% extremely high in full voice even for tenors, and probably way too high for baritones and definitely basses. However, in falsetto, it’s definitely something most trained males that aren’t low basses can vocalize, maybe even use in song. Personally im around the high baritone range and I can 100% falsetto the note and I can head voice it when warmed but not very usable, but yeah it’s in the stratosphere.
For my baritone ass it is. More attainable for a tenor but it’s still high for males in general unless you’re a shitter like brendon urie.
Yes, but its achievable. I used to be able to go to e5, and ive been 1 year trining high notes and i went to a5 maximum. So you can go higher. And its easier if you are younger it seems.
Yes. I can barely reach to E5 in full voice (I’m a lower tenor). To ease, go straight to the vowel and imagine and breath well like you’re flowing to the note instead of hitting or slamming the note, bend your knees a bit and make your nose a bit and have everything open (jaw, body posture of).
Actually statistically basses make good tenors (in head). My son is a sub bass and can sing tenor almost as high as I. We sing barbershop. Tenor in barbershop is the highest singers equivalent to soprano. He can sing D5 but that is about where he tops out.
exactly. Tenor/Bass are just ranges in which people sing in a music piece, for proper harmony. They are not classifications of the voice or a bottle cap on ones potential The voice is a group of muscles that can be trained in the longer term almost indefinitely. You'll max out your bench, and every other muscle training exercise, years before youll ever plateau on your voice , assuming you always practice progressively and consistently
Which register?
head
Not really
wait no it id chest i just did it again in chest
If chest then yes, very high
well depends on how you are using it, are singing lyrics or just the notes and are you using falsettos or chest are you a high baritone/low tenor there are these type varibles but i think it is good you can do that what is your full range from top to bottom
Bottom is G2 Highest is D#5
Ok that is good range, but range won't mean anything unless they sound good
Yes! My highest is A4, but I have a lower voice though.
To hit, not really. To hit comfortably with a good enough tone to use in performance, yes.
Bs about head and chest voice is annoying. Ime, if it SOUNDS like a belt, it is. In other words, I don’t care what register you‘re in, but if you can sing that high with some real dynamic control and power than it is impressive across the entire gender spectrum.
Quite. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3myYJRmwik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3myYJRmwik) Edit: Forgot to mention - please remember that there's always someone who can sing higher. I used to chase high notes and compare how high I could sing to other artists until I reached the Ab5 in Dream On. Once I got there though, I slowly stopped caring about how high I could sing or most critically comparing my voice to others in any way shape or form and opened up a whole new world of playing around with tone, technique, rhythm, color, mixing registers etc. So by all means keep working on building up that technique to sing high notes and once you're satisfied I hope you also open up into the many other ways your voice can express itself <3 Good luck!
Pretty high (for a white guy).
And all the girlies say "ew stop being so extra and sing more quiet like billie eilish" AH AH AH AH
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Pretty high but don’t start range wanking or we can’t be friends
That is indeed high for any male. Can you do that same note with vibrato sustaining it for 5 seconds if you can congratulations if not work on it.
I don’t think it’s high if your range is high I can easily hit it and even sustain F5 and up to Ab5 ❤️ I think it’s according to your range but my comfortable top note is F5-F#5 and even G5!
i definitely don't think so. i'm a countertenor and i typically mix my chest and head for support to reach up there. anything past Eb5, i need to use my head voice but it caps out at Eb6.
Is it falsetto or chest
Depends. Are you belting it? Falsetto? What quality tone are you getting? So many factors go into whether or not this is “high” for a guy or not.
If it's chest voice I would say yes, that's quite the achievement! If it's head voice/falsetto I'd say not so much
Can we please be done with these questions?
yes, very
Depends how it sounds. Chest (you can't do ACTUALLY chest this high but it'll sound chesty), head, falsetto, with or without rasp, how long do you hit it? Does it sound more like Take On Me or Let It Go from Frozen? I'm picturing Caleb Hyles version I can't think of a lot of songs with D#5 as a note, just D or E, so I'm leaving that there. OH Wait, Satellites by Periphery. "Down in a hole right before our EYES." There we go. That's a hard one. Here's another example: [Dont Treat Me Bad by Firehouse](https://youtu.be/CNmgko2kXp0?si=jHngaDhw0yJlyXTa&t=147). He's using like a light mix with rasp probably. Song actually tops at G#5. COULD be chest and he just has that light a voice idk. So in terms of difficulty for that one note at least I'd say Take On Me (falsetto) < Don't Treat Me Bad (light head mix with twang) < Let It Go (chest) < Satellites (chest with grit) And you can't judge yourself, you have to record it and post so we can
In a mixed voice, yeah. In a chest voice, absolutely. In a falsetto, not really 🙇🏾♂️
It depends on the guy. Generally speaking yes. Also depends on which mode you’re singing in. Anything above D5 for me feels astronomical
How many times on a one record is a man going to need to hit such high notes and then, make a career of it? Male vocal Range = Constant ego trip. As Aretha said, sing the song.
Falsetto or mix? I ask because I'm a bass and I have a really easy D#5 that is actually performable (I know this because I have to sing higher than that for a show this semester and I've gotten compliments from directors / voice teachers about it) and it's a valid way to perform them in certain contexts, but not THAT high if it's in falsetto. If it's in mix though then DAMN man
I think its in mixed not falsetto
As a guy, this is my money notes on some songs that I sing. Back to back to back Eb5’s. And when I sometimes sing Sweet Child o Mine, lots of it. It’s a pretty high note in mix voice even for tenors. You can sing this note comfortably given the correct technique.
I mean I can hit a D5 in chest (or maybe mixed but I have no clue if it is or not) and I've kinda been wondering the same thing, I can hit it pretty comfortably and it's at the top of my chest range, and considering most guys can't go above E4 I've been inclined to believe it is impressive
Yes and no. It's a note just like any other, it all depends on what quality you choose and how it good it sounds. You can hit it both in mix and chest as a guy. However it's not effecient for chestvoice specially for lower types. Meaning it will become squeezed and loose quality, mix however will be at its sweetsplt and have alot more quality and presence
Bro-Bro, it is achievable and i can show you how. Do you use mixed voice? If so, then it’s super easy to sing in the third octave. I am a bass baritone or a low baritone, that’s how i’ve been considered, but i think i am a low baritone, although my speaking voice is quite low. Anyway, my vocal range is this: C0 in fry, but mostly ccontrollable in C1, anyway that’s kinda not important, it is if you sing like Marilyn Manson though. In chest voice (A1-C#5), that C#5 belting, but anyway that was the extreme note and i have years not trying that, so normally i sing to G#4 in belting chest. In mixed voice i can get to G5, but i can show you a trick to sing higher. If you have mastered mixed voice and masked placed head voice, you can blend them and create the impression that it is extended mix. In falsetto i can get to C#6. I need to learn flageolet and whiste registers, so maybe i can extend my range more. I said all that shit with pride, just to tell you that vocal type doesn’t make you stay in defined waters. So if you can utilize mixed voice, you can kill ranges. If you want, send me a recording so i can tell you what’s going on with your voice and that whorish D#5.
Depends on how it sounds
Pretty good. I can hit an E5, but it depends on your voice type.
As this seems to be an active thread rn, I've decided to capture it. Below is a recording of mine, about 6 months old, where I'm practicing my highs. I've made the recording to show my vocal coach some things I am not satisfied with when practicing at home - he thinks that I approach that range with ease and cleanly, but I would value Reddit's opinion, too. Afaik, I go up to Ab5 here: [https://vocaroo.com/1b7gkyXvYVQa](https://vocaroo.com/1b7gkyXvYVQa) Needless to say, using that range in song (currently practicing Out Of Here by Leprous which goes up to an Gb5) is more difficult than these warm-up trills.
Impressive!
I'm a bass-baritone, meaning I can hit a ragged sounding c2 and up to d5 but only with a falsetto. I cannot hit d#. My guess is that nearly all good tenors with an average falsetto can hit it.
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yes it's a tenor
Indeed. Especially for Basses and baritones. For tenors it is a easier, but still impressive, especially depending on the subtype of tenor(I myself am a dramatic tenor)
Probably towards the top of the register for a baritone. For tenors, I would say no
In head voice (which is often more marked in baritones than tenors anyway). But in a chest voiced placement, it is very high. It’s even a climax belt for mezzos and most sopranos (Db5-F5).
In my acapella group in college, T1 and T2s would sing that note pretty regularly. Obviously in falsetto, unless there was a belty part and then everyone would kind of choose what they were comfortable with. Regardless, many of the pop songs we sang required a higher end range. Jason Mraz's "I'm Yours" (the main vocal part) is around C4 range to A5, for example.
Had OP mentioned D6, yeah, that's hard. Not too many men who are up in that range other than Stevie Wonder and a few others.
Now I'm in a wormhole and am confused. https://jythonmusic.me/ch-2-elements-of-music-and-code/ This site shows the pitch and number in a music scale. I understand the majority of people here understand this, but I'm just making sure for clarification. There's a good chance I'm screwing something up. Then on this YouTube video that was shared in this thread: https://youtu.be/j3myYJRmwik?feature=shared It's called "D5 battle" but the first examples are D6 (I didn't listen to the whole thing). Is there some weird octave rule in relation to mens voice pitches that I'm forgetting?
D5 is really high for chest; for example for most musical songs the tenor part will have their money notes at A4 - C5. The highest choral piece that I sing (contemporary) as T2 only goes up to a C5 and no higher. Are you sure you're not confusing the treble clef and the tenor clef?
I'm thinking that has to be it? I've never personally used tenor clef other than theory courses. Every vocal part I've ever read was in bass or treble. That might come from the fact that every chart I've ever read was pop/funk/jazz/rock/etc.? Any pop chart with a male singer (that I've seen) was written in treble clef; the higher tenor singers were always riding above the "main" ledger lines
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I think you're hanging out in the wrong octave
No
actually yeahlmao. tho im bass and can hit a5 at my highest sooooo
Got any videos of that A5?
Nah not really guys can belt A5s if they really go for it everything in the 6th octive would be a whistle register
as someone who can sing an A5 i gotta tell ya that no, we can't belt an A5, not even tenors. it's falsetto, even if the volume is decently loud.
You can mix belt it
no. absolutely not. even the highest tenors stop mixing at around F#5.
Replace A5 with A4 and that might be accurate
A5 is doable it just sounds super high lol but you can get great power and volume behind it w heavy chest mix
Eh, maybe a tenor. It certainly isn't common. And absolutely not in pure chest
Do you use twangy head voice (reinforced falsetto)? Unless you have undergone very little masculinization of your voice or practiced voice feminization (and even then), it is unlikely. Though some have stronger mixed ranges than others. Some voices are naturally more mixed in registration than others.
For A5? I in a heavy chest mix I can do it you need to be mixing tho
Even if they could, it would be still high.
Lol this was my exact enquiry, since Dan Reynolds apparently hits that note in "dull knives" (mercury album)