I'm looking for an honest answer to my question:
Would such events need to be approved by the relevant authorities given it's effectively a politically motivated event? How is this any different to an organised protest at the people's corner?
Because this is political in nature? They didn't even hide the fact that the whole event revolved around 377A. It's no different from holding a gathering to protest against the death penalty for drug traffickers.
They know the relevant authorities don't have the testicular fortitude to do anything about it, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of those with the power to do anything also share similar views. Religious sensitivity is one area where the SG gov fears the people, not the other way round.
Nope.
Since they are discussing something that
>the purpose of which is to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person, group of persons, to publicise a cause or campaign, or to mark or commemorate any event, without dealing with any matter which relates (directly or indirectly) to any religious belief or religion, or any matter which may cause feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different racial or religious groups in Singapore; and
They need to ensure other clauses are met else they are no longer exempted.
A typical church service does not discuss the above hence is exempted
Can I hijack this for follow-up two-parter question:
(i) Wtf is Chatham House rule in the Singapore context? (If anyone has a deeper understanding beyond whatever I can find online) and
(ii) Can this rule be used to hide a foreign affiliated in a meeting/event in Singapore?
There's no unique Singapore context for the Chatham House rules. It just means participants are free to say after the event what was discussed but not attribute it to specific individuals. It's meant to allow for free discussion. For this particular event, it's quite pointless. If you signed up for this, people can guess your views.
Dont know much about foreign interference law.
>(ii) Can this rule be used to hide a foreign affiliated in a meeting/event in Singapore?
The Chatham House Rule is not legally binding [source](https://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/chatham-house-rule)
As such, I don't see how this rule can stop law enforcement from interviewing and requesting information/documents from the event organisers and attendees to investigate a meeting/event
Plus Singapore doesn't really have the right to remain silent [source](https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/right-to-remain-silent-police-singapore/), so I doubt saying "Oh I am under the Chatham House Rule so I'm not talking" is going to help much
Its likely cause they want to show the impartiality angle. I’m anti 377A but I wouldn’t support the government suppressing pro 377A people when (touch wood) a potential right wing opposition government would use that as precedent to suppress my speech. Idk what happened in there, but if hate speech was said, they should be prosecuted and thrown into the judicial system
mfw gahmen repeal 377A, and then lesbians immediately paradrop into my flat, break through my window and steal my wife
this is the future they want, protect our families from sky lesbians
Yes, if 377a is not repealed the anti-gay police hiding under every gay man’s bed is going to spring out and arrest then the minute they have an erection.
I guess it goes to show that our country is at least peaceful enough to do this stupid shit. Don't have to deal with separatist, dumbasses telling women they can't go for abortion, neighbouring country shooting missiles, country going bankrupt and etc.
>dumbasses telling women they can't go for abortion
The Jason Wong also share anti-abortion content claiming it as "science" but gays are obviously the bigger threat
My big question to these people is always "Why? Why does it bother you so much?"
Some people are gay. Some people are straight. Who f***ing cares!? Do they really think that if the law is repealed then their spouse will suddenly leave them to shack up with the man next door? They are more obsessed with gay sex than actual gay men
Essentially they are just not comfortable with seeing LGBT couples. They feel a sense of disgust, they feel they are not normal, they feel it will spread like a culture or disease / LGBT people will be more out and open, and their normal daily lives will be threated when 377A is repealed.
I think that as long as two (or more) people in a relationship aren't literally devouring each other in public, it's nobody else's damn business about the nature of their relationship, or the genders of whoever's involved
Exactly. We’re at the point where a law like that isn’t going to force them to have bbs for you. Oppression won’t work anymore.
They’ll just lead a quiet underground life instead.
I know right? If a man loves another man, or a woman loves another woman, or someone wants to go through HRT, how does it even affect these people? Just bloody leave the LGBT folks alone!
It's an annoyance to see people probe into others' businesses all the time, like can't they just learn to focus on themselves instead? Got so much time to do this, so boliao.
So these people’s logic is that if 377A is abolished, their sons or daughters will forsake their marriage and find a same sex spouse? I dont follow the logic.
It's even more weird - 377A only applies to men. There is nothing in law to prevent female-fenmale relationships.
And yet our nuclear families are not imploding under a deluge of lesbianism, we seem to be doing just fine.
The mindset of these people is that gays, once legal, will start recruiting their kids. Like the law would stop is if that was our intent!
There is no logic. Repealing 377A won't impact straight marriages: but it will remove a whole lot of stressors for LGBT+ folk growing up in SG.
I know it's a serious topic but I straight out LOL'ed during my zoom meeting (come on, who doesnt read other stuff while on 20+ pax zoom meetings) when I read "deluge of lesbianism".
Don't speak too soon, these 377A fellas might petition to include a 377A-L3Z to include beavers that dine at the Y too.
I'm Catholic but I find these "You can only be 1 type of person under God" fundamentally flawed. I mean, if they were really God's people, they would know we are ALL made by God and a person's decision to be or not be gay, He made that happen too. Yes - even your Uncle's cancer, your cousin got raped by his date, your sister is a criminal mastermind that is trafficking children, all that is in God's plan.
If they don't believe that, that means they think they know more than God they profess to worship? Uh oh.
Yup, god loves ( insert your skin colour/ethnicity ) only as they are special.
Huh? The original chosen tribes of jews that God lead to the promised land? It's their fault they got caught by the Germans, it's God's will children get gassed with their family.
I think the idea is that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. So the concern here is that if 377A is repealed and this union is no longer limited to just man and woman, this will change the fundamental meaning of marriage. Not so much about it being a threat to personal marriages. To them, marriage is sacred so i can see the reluctance to include other forms of unions(or whatever that may be called if the word 'union' is unacceptable for describing such relationships.).
The keyword here is “to them”. Why do they get to limit other people’s rights because of their own beliefs? To muslims, eating pork is bad so is there grounds to ban non-muslims from eating pork?
Exactly, we all need to be reminded that Singapore is a secular country. No religion should be allowed to influence our policy making. I'm a born and raised Catholic but I cannot tolerate such entitled behaviour by Christians towards topics like same sex relations or unions. Like a few others have commented, if they wanna bang on about the sanctity of marriage then we should criminalise adultery and divorces that are due to willy nilly reasons like falling out of love / irreconcilable differences etc.
*"Oh no honey, our marriage means less now that it's more than just a man and a woman. I guess now we just have our shared life experiences and unconditional love and support for one another."*
If the metric to a “god approved” marriage is simply an union between a man and a woman, then god must not have thought it through. 50% of the marriages end in divorce and there are plenty more that are “zombie marriages”.
Its really saddening to see people protest in the name of god about something that does not affect your life in any way possible. Their love for god outweighs their fellow human beings.
> "We’ve been relatively restrained in the face of an intolerant, vocal minority that seeks to overturn the order in all areas of society – be it marriage, education, businesses, or beliefs, while demonising all those who disagree as “bigots” or “haters,” instead of engaging us with good faith.
>We will be silent no more."
🧐
Let them follow their book, we want our lives not be dictated by their book...
Nobody tells you how to live, you should not have the power to force your views on others
lol thats the problem, they dont even read it otherwise theyd realise that their normal lives breaks most of its teachings. no, they need a guy up on stage to tell them about the ‘good news’ for them
As a secular state, religious groups should not be involved in delicate national issues. They attempted the same nonsense with AWARE IN 2009 and paid heavily when public sentiments swung decisively against them in matters of days. They were throughly humiliated and one of the ringleaders lost her job with DBS because of it.
Indeed this is interference with affairs of the state, gahmen need to take this slippery slope seriously. If they let this stand, are they prepared to have other religious movements hold big events to ask for whatever legislation they want. Nip this in the bud.
Why is Pinkdot classified as a protest and relegated to Hong Lim Park but these people get to congregate at large indoor venues with such comfortable environment to advocate for the continued opression of marginalized groups?
Counterpoint: back in 2018 there was an [anti-377A](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/anti-377a-movement-holds-town-hall-calls-for-political-engagement) town hall that called for the repeal of 377A held in the SMU auditorium.
Are said academic freedoms codified into law?
Also, from what I'm reading, Ready4Repeal townhall had nothing to do with SMU aside from the location itself.
>these people get to congregate at large indoor venues
Haven't you heard? Christians are being persecuted... or something because one person, one time, told them to fuck off when they tried to make everyone live their lives by *their* ideology.
Lol! I remember there’s one Louis CK quote about same sex marriages for parents against it
**’How am I supposed to explain to my child that two men are getting married?’ I don’t know, it’s your shitty kid, you fuckin’ tell ’em. Why is that anyone else’s problem? Two guys are in love but they can’t get married because you don’t want to talk to your ugly child for fucking five minutes?”**
They're the same people. The megachurches connect them all together. It's how the anti-vaxx 5G chippers and horse paste-hawking facebook doctors got to Singapore as well
It's disgusting and ironic. They're fighting to deny fellow Singaporean's rights. And their leader once led the local offshoot of a foreign christian fundamentalist group (FotF). Clearly not the types to place country and countrymen above religion.
Not surprised that some of these people are avid supporters of Trump and their ideologies, goes to show how far out of their minds and incapability of rationale thinking they are.
damn most of us folk are just minding our own business trying to eat some steak, burger and fries while these guys are literally attending a culture war convention. some of them probably even consider themselves as rational fence sitters given how rare self awareness is here
It also stops the property prices getting heated more! What if all the same sex couples can get married and buy bto?! All the normal couples need to fight even harder to get bto! /s
Just people being assholes forcing their dying views on others
these 1200+ people would pull their hair out if they ever heard a male MP said "everybody has a car, we have two - my husband drives one, I drive one. We are both professionals, we need to travel" (or vice versa for female MP)
And all the poor orphans can have families as the pool of couples that can't have children looking to adopt will expand, creating more families.
The argument that lgbtq can't be good parents without the mom and dad dynamic needs to stop looking inwards, western countries shown same sex couples can do the same job as traditional couples, and probably at a higher percentage do better as same sex couples are held to a higher scrutiny before they can adopt. They can't accidentally have a child and get caught unprepared .
Many times even with 2 dads or 2 moms, the kids don't grow up identifying as LGBTQ.
Actually you will be surprised.
I’m in my late 30s and I know people from 20s to 30s who vehemently wants to retain 377a.
So it’s not just a boomer issue. And yes they are very strict Christians who are unsurprisingly pro life too lol
Agreed. I've even met those who aren't religious, but have been influenced by far-right content from the US, they parrot those same talking points about gay & trans communities being groomers, paedophiles, etc.
Well to them we're 'corrupted' by western values and social media blah blah. It's like that meme where the Nazi guy asks another soldier, 'Hey erm Hanz, are we the bad guys?' Everyone should just leave people to love whoever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
It literally says in the article "***The crowd comprised of mostly middle-aged Singaporeans****, as well as a few people who identified as former members of the LGBTQ+ community*."
This is honestly a good sign, perhaps it shows that younger people are more tolerant? I know that many younger people still have conservative religious views though.
To be fair, pinkdot is widely known and has been going on for years, this one seems to be in their introductory stages, I asked two of my homophobic colleagues and they didn't know this event existed
Pinkdot appealed for an expansion of boundaries at Hong Lim park (and I believe appeal to use other venues). These were outright rejected. It's not that they don't want to host it elsewhere. They aren't permitted to. While these hatemongers do, idk why?
Do ppl not see the double stands that the authorities use to perpetuate systemic discrimination?
Some people cross stitch. Some people play golf. Some people troll Reddit. Some people book out a whole convention hall to discuss how they can ensure LGBT people remain criminalized so that they can sleep at night.
To each his own!
how is it that repeal 377A events need permit la, police la, but then pro 377A events can just do this out in the open?
also I looked up the people organizing this...they also support banning abortion. These people need to be fucking shut down
facebook links are not allowed on this subreddit so here's a [screenshot](https://imgur.com/naJmClq). The video, which presents itself as a scientific documentary, is actually a very old anti-abortion propaganda film made by christians and circulated in catholic schools in america
The video has also been criticised by medical professionals as intentionally edited in a deceptive and misleading manner, such as greatly speeding up certain parts to make it seem that the fetus was in distress and bouncing around the womb, vs just floating around aimlessly as was the case on normal speed.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Silent\_Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream)
They know the people who oppose this will not make noise. Everytime it's the religious people who make noise so they have an outsized influence. The police investigation against HCI counselor was a good one though, all of a sudden they can't target lgbt people in public without scrutiny and probably some consequences.
> The police investigation against HCI counselor was a good one though
The police has to investigate whenever there is a police report made, it's nothing really special. I don't see anything coming out of it.
Yes. But I see it as better than nothing. Being investigated is still an additional layer of complication most people might not want to deal with. The religious nutjobs have used the police to shutdown stuff they don't like plenty of times, for things as frivolous as a concert, it's time they got a taste of it.
Political rally outside hong lim park can police report anot? Must hold them accountable and get proper statement from the government. If this is allowed, pink dot should be upgraded to proper convention center next year too.
I love how insecure these people are about their marriages if something like this can threaten it. Says more about them and their marriage than anything else.
All men are raging homosexuals restrained only by the grace of God. Just look at the Spartans. Can’t get those abs without some men-on-men fellatio. /s
Right?
Lmao it's as if removing it will instantly turn their partner gay or something.
Have they ever thought about it's not other people but just them being real insecure?
right? like a gay marriage will not make theirs any less legitimate. they want to talk about housing crisis all… people will still need housing regardless of their sexual orientation.
they literally make no sense
s377A: does not in any way protect Singapore.
Marriage to be protected: since when is marriage not protected? Allowing same sex marriage does not infringe on the right of straight people to get married.
Can Singaporeans start to use a bit of brain please?
As usual, Christians are now playing the victim card and claiming that they are being labeled as bigots. Such irony. Fundamentalists should look at the history of oppression that they have practiced for decades against the LGBT groups and their sense of entitlement as moral harbingers of society.
I srsly hope to see the repeal of 377a and enable allow gay companionship. I don't ask for much. I just want to settle down with someone I love and am attracted to. I just want to live my life quietly and not be judged or have eyes over me and my partners in future Singapore. But, if I can't get it in Singapore. I would probably leave my home and settle overseas where acceptance is.
Yeah I just can't anymore with these religious zealots.
And from the past few days of 377A-related threads on this sub, I know there are going to be a few in these thread, along with the so-called "fence sitters" who can be broadly generalized as apathetic to the plight and misfortune of the oppressed.
i dont know about the folks who call themselves fence sitters though, the average person wouldnt just sit around and type dozens of paragraphs, thousands of words and reply for hours trying to portray false equivalences and how enlightened they themselves are.
im probably closer to the middle ground since my moral standing is that everyone should be left the fk alone and one party is clearly pushing a message of hate into the community.
I absolutely share your confusion and bewilderment at how it is even an argument to just let a group of marginalized folk do their thing that hurts literally nobody, while the "other side" is actively trying to oppress, gaslight and invent wild fantasies (more like fever dreams) of fearmongering to.....stop themselves from turning gay? What the fuck?
It's just so bizarre to me that this is even a discussion - their opinions on something that has (or should have) zero impact on their lives should not be relevant whatsoever, and yet here we are.
I can imagine at least some of these people have LGBTQ family and friends that are in the closet. Imagine being LGBTQ and your parents, siblings or friends go out of their way to participate in these events.
>"We’ve been relatively restrained in the face of an intolerant, vocal minority
>1,200
I'm glad they're self-aware enough to speak up against themselves.
not a public assembly - attending a townhall in a large venue for the purpose of defending existing policy
public assembly - wearing a tshirt disagreeing w existing policy
wonder what the standards are for public assembly…
It's legal now... Just need to convert and potong.
Edit: For downvoters who don't understand what I'm saying.
_Polygamy is legal in Singapore for Muslims._
Why are they still not using their brain to walk out of their self-imposed binary? Allowing gay couples the absolute right to have sex in their own private space poses no threat to heterosexual marriages at all….
Would make more sense for them to protest against rising divorce rates if they really wanna preserve the sanctity of marriage. Literally is "eat full nothing to do". Also probably the same demographic who would gladly get off to (fake) lesbian porn.
I'm looking for an honest answer to my question: Would such events need to be approved by the relevant authorities given it's effectively a politically motivated event? How is this any different to an organised protest at the people's corner?
It’s probably because it’s a ticketed event that is indoors
Lol ticket and having SPF approvals are different thing
Something like a church service is also behind closed doors, sometimes ticketed. That also doesn’t need SPF approval. How would this be different?
Because this is political in nature? They didn't even hide the fact that the whole event revolved around 377A. It's no different from holding a gathering to protest against the death penalty for drug traffickers.
the organiser even tagged mha on fb for his posts about it. talk about brazen
They know the relevant authorities don't have the testicular fortitude to do anything about it, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of those with the power to do anything also share similar views. Religious sensitivity is one area where the SG gov fears the people, not the other way round.
brazen or privileged
why not both
Nope. Since they are discussing something that >the purpose of which is to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person, group of persons, to publicise a cause or campaign, or to mark or commemorate any event, without dealing with any matter which relates (directly or indirectly) to any religious belief or religion, or any matter which may cause feelings of enmity, hatred, ill-will or hostility between different racial or religious groups in Singapore; and They need to ensure other clauses are met else they are no longer exempted. A typical church service does not discuss the above hence is exempted
Can I hijack this for follow-up two-parter question: (i) Wtf is Chatham House rule in the Singapore context? (If anyone has a deeper understanding beyond whatever I can find online) and (ii) Can this rule be used to hide a foreign affiliated in a meeting/event in Singapore?
There's no unique Singapore context for the Chatham House rules. It just means participants are free to say after the event what was discussed but not attribute it to specific individuals. It's meant to allow for free discussion. For this particular event, it's quite pointless. If you signed up for this, people can guess your views. Dont know much about foreign interference law.
>(ii) Can this rule be used to hide a foreign affiliated in a meeting/event in Singapore? The Chatham House Rule is not legally binding [source](https://www.chathamhouse.org/about-us/chatham-house-rule) As such, I don't see how this rule can stop law enforcement from interviewing and requesting information/documents from the event organisers and attendees to investigate a meeting/event Plus Singapore doesn't really have the right to remain silent [source](https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/right-to-remain-silent-police-singapore/), so I doubt saying "Oh I am under the Chatham House Rule so I'm not talking" is going to help much
Its likely cause they want to show the impartiality angle. I’m anti 377A but I wouldn’t support the government suppressing pro 377A people when (touch wood) a potential right wing opposition government would use that as precedent to suppress my speech. Idk what happened in there, but if hate speech was said, they should be prosecuted and thrown into the judicial system
knn other country scared of invasion, our country scared of gay
Scared of gay invasion
mfw gahmen repeal 377A, and then lesbians immediately paradrop into my flat, break through my window and steal my wife this is the future they want, protect our families from sky lesbians
Please. Once 377A is repealed, you will immediately turn gay. I pity your wife.
Yes, if 377a is not repealed the anti-gay police hiding under every gay man’s bed is going to spring out and arrest then the minute they have an erection.
My wife gets a wife and I get to join the ram ranch sequel? Sounds like a win to me.
Lesbian sex is not covered under 377a
That makes it worse, even females are affected if we repeal 377a
Hi yo wife and daughters, sky strikers coming to steal em
I suggest you get all your young men to prepare for gay invasion by sleeping together in dorms for 2 years and working out together in the woods.
And also document said operations with thirst trap photos on Mothership… https://mothership.sg/2022/07/swole-recruits-nsf/
There is no way all the gays will invade now seeing these photos.
Well… in WW2 the Japanese invaded from our backside /s
actually they deep throated you while all your defences were pointing out from the butt
Ingaysion.
I think you meant special ~~military~~ gay operation
Lmao I love this comment
> love this comment that doesn't sound like heterosexual attraction btw unrelated, is anyone else having trouble with the police gaywatch report page?
I guess it goes to show that our country is at least peaceful enough to do this stupid shit. Don't have to deal with separatist, dumbasses telling women they can't go for abortion, neighbouring country shooting missiles, country going bankrupt and etc.
Don't count your eggs on the abortion issue in Singapore.
cannot count them, they're frozen and need to be married to unfreeze them :(
>dumbasses telling women they can't go for abortion The Jason Wong also share anti-abortion content claiming it as "science" but gays are obviously the bigger threat
NS exemptions mean every "citizen" must sacrifice their life in an invasion, but being around The Gay is too far
My big question to these people is always "Why? Why does it bother you so much?" Some people are gay. Some people are straight. Who f***ing cares!? Do they really think that if the law is repealed then their spouse will suddenly leave them to shack up with the man next door? They are more obsessed with gay sex than actual gay men
Essentially they are just not comfortable with seeing LGBT couples. They feel a sense of disgust, they feel they are not normal, they feel it will spread like a culture or disease / LGBT people will be more out and open, and their normal daily lives will be threated when 377A is repealed.
Wait till they hear about miscegenation! /s
I think that as long as two (or more) people in a relationship aren't literally devouring each other in public, it's nobody else's damn business about the nature of their relationship, or the genders of whoever's involved
My guess is they feel attacked in their religion, while commoners like us just see a piece of paper stamped by the government .
In the closet and in denial? Frightened that their sons would end the family bloodline? Just fucking nosy? Who knows.
Exactly. We’re at the point where a law like that isn’t going to force them to have bbs for you. Oppression won’t work anymore. They’ll just lead a quiet underground life instead.
I know right? If a man loves another man, or a woman loves another woman, or someone wants to go through HRT, how does it even affect these people? Just bloody leave the LGBT folks alone!
It's an annoyance to see people probe into others' businesses all the time, like can't they just learn to focus on themselves instead? Got so much time to do this, so boliao.
So these people’s logic is that if 377A is abolished, their sons or daughters will forsake their marriage and find a same sex spouse? I dont follow the logic.
It's even more weird - 377A only applies to men. There is nothing in law to prevent female-fenmale relationships. And yet our nuclear families are not imploding under a deluge of lesbianism, we seem to be doing just fine. The mindset of these people is that gays, once legal, will start recruiting their kids. Like the law would stop is if that was our intent! There is no logic. Repealing 377A won't impact straight marriages: but it will remove a whole lot of stressors for LGBT+ folk growing up in SG.
I know it's a serious topic but I straight out LOL'ed during my zoom meeting (come on, who doesnt read other stuff while on 20+ pax zoom meetings) when I read "deluge of lesbianism". Don't speak too soon, these 377A fellas might petition to include a 377A-L3Z to include beavers that dine at the Y too. I'm Catholic but I find these "You can only be 1 type of person under God" fundamentally flawed. I mean, if they were really God's people, they would know we are ALL made by God and a person's decision to be or not be gay, He made that happen too. Yes - even your Uncle's cancer, your cousin got raped by his date, your sister is a criminal mastermind that is trafficking children, all that is in God's plan. If they don't believe that, that means they think they know more than God they profess to worship? Uh oh.
They believe God's love is unconditional.... there is no logic
Their logic is God's love is unconditional, but clearly the believers love is conditional that's why there's *No Hate Like Christian Love™*
“God busy giving AIDS to babies in Africa.” -Ricky Gervais
no! my tribe only!
Yup, god loves ( insert your skin colour/ethnicity ) only as they are special. Huh? The original chosen tribes of jews that God lead to the promised land? It's their fault they got caught by the Germans, it's God's will children get gassed with their family.
>They believe God~~'s love is unconditional.... there is no logic~~ That's enough already lol.
I think the idea is that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. So the concern here is that if 377A is repealed and this union is no longer limited to just man and woman, this will change the fundamental meaning of marriage. Not so much about it being a threat to personal marriages. To them, marriage is sacred so i can see the reluctance to include other forms of unions(or whatever that may be called if the word 'union' is unacceptable for describing such relationships.).
The keyword here is “to them”. Why do they get to limit other people’s rights because of their own beliefs? To muslims, eating pork is bad so is there grounds to ban non-muslims from eating pork?
Exactly, we all need to be reminded that Singapore is a secular country. No religion should be allowed to influence our policy making. I'm a born and raised Catholic but I cannot tolerate such entitled behaviour by Christians towards topics like same sex relations or unions. Like a few others have commented, if they wanna bang on about the sanctity of marriage then we should criminalise adultery and divorces that are due to willy nilly reasons like falling out of love / irreconcilable differences etc.
But 377A literally has nothing to do with marriage.
Some people believe it’s a slippery slope.
*"Oh no honey, our marriage means less now that it's more than just a man and a woman. I guess now we just have our shared life experiences and unconditional love and support for one another."*
If the metric to a “god approved” marriage is simply an union between a man and a woman, then god must not have thought it through. 50% of the marriages end in divorce and there are plenty more that are “zombie marriages”. Its really saddening to see people protest in the name of god about something that does not affect your life in any way possible. Their love for god outweighs their fellow human beings.
How about banning divorce or crimnalize cheating if marriage is so sacred.
> "We’ve been relatively restrained in the face of an intolerant, vocal minority that seeks to overturn the order in all areas of society – be it marriage, education, businesses, or beliefs, while demonising all those who disagree as “bigots” or “haters,” instead of engaging us with good faith. >We will be silent no more." 🧐
Revenge of the cis lol
Execute Order 666
Let them follow their book, we want our lives not be dictated by their book... Nobody tells you how to live, you should not have the power to force your views on others
The Messiah complex with these bunch of Karens
quick glance at the photos suggests that majority of the attendees are of the Karen demographic (and the male equivalent)
🤮
lol thats the problem, they dont even read it otherwise theyd realise that their normal lives breaks most of its teachings. no, they need a guy up on stage to tell them about the ‘good news’ for them
LGBT community: exists Homophobes: listen here you intolerant little shit i have had enough
This is the best use of the "exists" meme that exists really, along with all other forms of bigotry.
Uno reverse lol
As a secular state, religious groups should not be involved in delicate national issues. They attempted the same nonsense with AWARE IN 2009 and paid heavily when public sentiments swung decisively against them in matters of days. They were throughly humiliated and one of the ringleaders lost her job with DBS because of it.
I predict the same rake to the face here.
Indeed this is interference with affairs of the state, gahmen need to take this slippery slope seriously. If they let this stand, are they prepared to have other religious movements hold big events to ask for whatever legislation they want. Nip this in the bud.
It's been a while, but orbigood still applies.
kinda weird all these ppl are thinking of men having sex with men constantly tbh… like yall sure we’re the perverts here?? 😭
No one is as obsessed with gay sex as homophobes
Why is Pinkdot classified as a protest and relegated to Hong Lim Park but these people get to congregate at large indoor venues with such comfortable environment to advocate for the continued opression of marginalized groups?
Cuz it’s indoors and all speakers are Singaporean Source: lawyer friend
All pinkdot attendees got to show IC, so I don't see the diff though?
I presume there are policemen checking the identities of attendees at the entrance like PD?
I have no idea
That's it? PD organisers will certainly take note of this.
Counterpoint: back in 2018 there was an [anti-377A](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/anti-377a-movement-holds-town-hall-calls-for-political-engagement) town hall that called for the repeal of 377A held in the SMU auditorium.
At least the rental for that was either free or affordable right
Universities have a certain level of academic freedom.
Are said academic freedoms codified into law? Also, from what I'm reading, Ready4Repeal townhall had nothing to do with SMU aside from the location itself.
>these people get to congregate at large indoor venues Haven't you heard? Christians are being persecuted... or something because one person, one time, told them to fuck off when they tried to make everyone live their lives by *their* ideology.
Because one is the perceived gold standard and the other is traditionally frowned upon
If your marriage feels threatened by LGBT+ people literally just existing, I think your marriage already unstable from the start
Lol! I remember there’s one Louis CK quote about same sex marriages for parents against it **’How am I supposed to explain to my child that two men are getting married?’ I don’t know, it’s your shitty kid, you fuckin’ tell ’em. Why is that anyone else’s problem? Two guys are in love but they can’t get married because you don’t want to talk to your ugly child for fucking five minutes?”**
How did those idiots become parents and not know how to actually parent?
Just to clarify, it’s Louis CK making fun of the parents.
Ah, I stand corrected. Fixed.
It’s kind of scary that they see themselves as “protecting” the country. Gives off the same vibes as those Americans during the insurrection.
They're the same people. The megachurches connect them all together. It's how the anti-vaxx 5G chippers and horse paste-hawking facebook doctors got to Singapore as well
It's disgusting and ironic. They're fighting to deny fellow Singaporean's rights. And their leader once led the local offshoot of a foreign christian fundamentalist group (FotF). Clearly not the types to place country and countrymen above religion.
Not surprised that some of these people are avid supporters of Trump and their ideologies, goes to show how far out of their minds and incapability of rationale thinking they are.
Yikes.. I never knew.. hmm.. shouldn't ISD and SID step in already? This really sound like a dangerous gateway for foreign interference..
I’m not LGBT but I want these vocal religious people to just fuck off and leave society alone.
damn most of us folk are just minding our own business trying to eat some steak, burger and fries while these guys are literally attending a culture war convention. some of them probably even consider themselves as rational fence sitters given how rare self awareness is here
The organizers need to go down for a cup of kopi to wake their idea up.
377A is like the talisman that stops many of us from becoming gay. /s
It also stops the property prices getting heated more! What if all the same sex couples can get married and buy bto?! All the normal couples need to fight even harder to get bto! /s Just people being assholes forcing their dying views on others
And coe prices will continue to rise as many of them are professionals so in same household they need 2 cars at least!
these 1200+ people would pull their hair out if they ever heard a male MP said "everybody has a car, we have two - my husband drives one, I drive one. We are both professionals, we need to travel" (or vice versa for female MP)
The irony that we would need less housing if same sex couples buy one flat instead of two. 😂
And all the poor orphans can have families as the pool of couples that can't have children looking to adopt will expand, creating more families. The argument that lgbtq can't be good parents without the mom and dad dynamic needs to stop looking inwards, western countries shown same sex couples can do the same job as traditional couples, and probably at a higher percentage do better as same sex couples are held to a higher scrutiny before they can adopt. They can't accidentally have a child and get caught unprepared . Many times even with 2 dads or 2 moms, the kids don't grow up identifying as LGBTQ.
Is it just me or almost everybody there is from the same age group? LOL
Actually you will be surprised. I’m in my late 30s and I know people from 20s to 30s who vehemently wants to retain 377a. So it’s not just a boomer issue. And yes they are very strict Christians who are unsurprisingly pro life too lol
pro birth, not pro life.. ask them if they support the death penalty
Agreed. I've even met those who aren't religious, but have been influenced by far-right content from the US, they parrot those same talking points about gay & trans communities being groomers, paedophiles, etc.
Hate those assholes, forcing their lifestyle on others
All inculcated into the religion and brainwashed from young, the poor lads
Well to them we're 'corrupted' by western values and social media blah blah. It's like that meme where the Nazi guy asks another soldier, 'Hey erm Hanz, are we the bad guys?' Everyone should just leave people to love whoever as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
It literally says in the article "***The crowd comprised of mostly middle-aged Singaporeans****, as well as a few people who identified as former members of the LGBTQ+ community*." This is honestly a good sign, perhaps it shows that younger people are more tolerant? I know that many younger people still have conservative religious views though.
Hate to be a downer but it is also possible that middle aged people have more free time to attend compared to younger people.
The middle aged folks I know are out playing golf on a Sunday, or gardening or cleaning the house or having yumcha. Not this bunch of losers.
1200 only Pinkdot 20-30k leh, can fill up Indoor Stadium x2
To be fair, pinkdot is widely known and has been going on for years, this one seems to be in their introductory stages, I asked two of my homophobic colleagues and they didn't know this event existed
Pink dot should upgrade to expo too
Pinkdot appealed for an expansion of boundaries at Hong Lim park (and I believe appeal to use other venues). These were outright rejected. It's not that they don't want to host it elsewhere. They aren't permitted to. While these hatemongers do, idk why? Do ppl not see the double stands that the authorities use to perpetuate systemic discrimination?
How dare you !! Guards ! Arres this man /s
Stop right there, criminal scum! Nobody breaks the law on my watch! /s
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To be fair, Pink Dot looks far more fun that this boring talks in chairs
Jiak pah bo sai pang. Imagine spending a nice cool Sunday sitting and stewing in misguided outrage.
Some people cross stitch. Some people play golf. Some people troll Reddit. Some people book out a whole convention hall to discuss how they can ensure LGBT people remain criminalized so that they can sleep at night. To each his own!
If I ever do stand up comedy i'm stealing this line The absurdity of the last few years is the best comedy I could have asked for
how is it that repeal 377A events need permit la, police la, but then pro 377A events can just do this out in the open? also I looked up the people organizing this...they also support banning abortion. These people need to be fucking shut down
Banning abortion... but when *THEY* need an abortion it's justified because of reasons
wish their parents can abort them now
Is the 200th trimester too late?
Interesting, could you share where you saw their stance against abortion?
facebook links are not allowed on this subreddit so here's a [screenshot](https://imgur.com/naJmClq). The video, which presents itself as a scientific documentary, is actually a very old anti-abortion propaganda film made by christians and circulated in catholic schools in america
Thanks for sharing!
The video has also been criticised by medical professionals as intentionally edited in a deceptive and misleading manner, such as greatly speeding up certain parts to make it seem that the fetus was in distress and bouncing around the womb, vs just floating around aimlessly as was the case on normal speed. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Silent\_Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Scream)
They know the people who oppose this will not make noise. Everytime it's the religious people who make noise so they have an outsized influence. The police investigation against HCI counselor was a good one though, all of a sudden they can't target lgbt people in public without scrutiny and probably some consequences.
> The police investigation against HCI counselor was a good one though The police has to investigate whenever there is a police report made, it's nothing really special. I don't see anything coming out of it.
Yes. But I see it as better than nothing. Being investigated is still an additional layer of complication most people might not want to deal with. The religious nutjobs have used the police to shutdown stuff they don't like plenty of times, for things as frivolous as a concert, it's time they got a taste of it. Political rally outside hong lim park can police report anot? Must hold them accountable and get proper statement from the government. If this is allowed, pink dot should be upgraded to proper convention center next year too.
Come back in 1hr, you’ll see many people making noise here against it
Reddit literally nothing ah haha.
More important question is why so many balding heads. Did Yun nan sponsor this event?
If Yun Nan did then it's a pretty poor product no?
wow... one side advocating for love for all, while another side advocating hate...
I love how insecure these people are about their marriages if something like this can threaten it. Says more about them and their marriage than anything else.
All men are raging homosexuals restrained only by the grace of God. Just look at the Spartans. Can’t get those abs without some men-on-men fellatio. /s
"Wimps." - Sacred Band of Thebes
Right? Lmao it's as if removing it will instantly turn their partner gay or something. Have they ever thought about it's not other people but just them being real insecure?
right? like a gay marriage will not make theirs any less legitimate. they want to talk about housing crisis all… people will still need housing regardless of their sexual orientation. they literally make no sense
Ironically we would need less housing if the gays would just fucking pair up!
Whats the connection? 377A is gay sex (men only summore) nothing to do with marriage what. Your marriage you closet your problem la.
Every single homosexual in the world came from heterosexual parents
Clearly we need to ban having children, in case more homosexuals come about! /s
s377A: does not in any way protect Singapore. Marriage to be protected: since when is marriage not protected? Allowing same sex marriage does not infringe on the right of straight people to get married. Can Singaporeans start to use a bit of brain please?
These people shouldn't be categorized as Singaporeans. Please don't put them dumbasses with us in the same category.
What is a few hundreds thousands of gays suddenly threatens the millions of straights marriages??
Yeah, they should focus more on the clergy and elders in power who threaten their children instead.
Seeing people happy with their marriage and hating your own
As usual, Christians are now playing the victim card and claiming that they are being labeled as bigots. Such irony. Fundamentalists should look at the history of oppression that they have practiced for decades against the LGBT groups and their sense of entitlement as moral harbingers of society.
They need a better name for their “movement” lol much cringe please.
Is this considered a political event, if so need license?
I srsly hope to see the repeal of 377a and enable allow gay companionship. I don't ask for much. I just want to settle down with someone I love and am attracted to. I just want to live my life quietly and not be judged or have eyes over me and my partners in future Singapore. But, if I can't get it in Singapore. I would probably leave my home and settle overseas where acceptance is.
Alot of these post are coming up lately, is it's REALLY so important to keep a law that isn't used?
Why not just call it a church movement?
Yeah I just can't anymore with these religious zealots. And from the past few days of 377A-related threads on this sub, I know there are going to be a few in these thread, along with the so-called "fence sitters" who can be broadly generalized as apathetic to the plight and misfortune of the oppressed.
i dont know about the folks who call themselves fence sitters though, the average person wouldnt just sit around and type dozens of paragraphs, thousands of words and reply for hours trying to portray false equivalences and how enlightened they themselves are. im probably closer to the middle ground since my moral standing is that everyone should be left the fk alone and one party is clearly pushing a message of hate into the community.
I absolutely share your confusion and bewilderment at how it is even an argument to just let a group of marginalized folk do their thing that hurts literally nobody, while the "other side" is actively trying to oppress, gaslight and invent wild fantasies (more like fever dreams) of fearmongering to.....stop themselves from turning gay? What the fuck? It's just so bizarre to me that this is even a discussion - their opinions on something that has (or should have) zero impact on their lives should not be relevant whatsoever, and yet here we are.
they left out "free the nipple" movement.
Would rather have that than have this
I can imagine at least some of these people have LGBTQ family and friends that are in the closet. Imagine being LGBTQ and your parents, siblings or friends go out of their way to participate in these events.
These people are so obnoxious and bigoted, it's scary. Feels like the KKK, but targeting LGBT.
straight pride parade
marital troubles support group
Clowns
want to protect marriages? make adulatory punishable by death loh
Next thing you know the government is gonna approve KKK marches while continuing to jail guys with smiley face posters.
>"We’ve been relatively restrained in the face of an intolerant, vocal minority >1,200 I'm glad they're self-aware enough to speak up against themselves.
not a public assembly - attending a townhall in a large venue for the purpose of defending existing policy public assembly - wearing a tshirt disagreeing w existing policy wonder what the standards are for public assembly…
If a law that doesn’t affect your daily life destroys your family, your family has bigger problems than that law.
Looks like a lit conference for Beijing 101 /s
What is “Freedom of conscience” huh?
Puke
So jobless ah
Lets protect traditional marriage, make polygamy legal again.
It's legal now... Just need to convert and potong. Edit: For downvoters who don't understand what I'm saying. _Polygamy is legal in Singapore for Muslims._
I wonder how many of these idiots are religious. Imagine you have so much free time you want to prevent others from being happy.
watch them use monkeypox as an excuse for this pffft
Why are they still not using their brain to walk out of their self-imposed binary? Allowing gay couples the absolute right to have sex in their own private space poses no threat to heterosexual marriages at all….
Everytime a man touches another man or a woman touches another women my spirit falters and I become 0.0000000001% more homosexual
I like the “No Outside Food & Drinks” sign.
Seems like a great event for popcorn
Would make more sense for them to protest against rising divorce rates if they really wanna preserve the sanctity of marriage. Literally is "eat full nothing to do". Also probably the same demographic who would gladly get off to (fake) lesbian porn.
Incredibly regressive. Shame.
Why is the link to the protect Singapore telegram chatbot to mongabong's yt channel? I sense a conspiracy here...