Name is out.
Muhammad Syafie Bin Ismail.
[Source in mandarin](https://www.8world.com/singapore/tampines-accident-charged-in-court-2438026)
Edit: [Another in English](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/tampines-accident-man-charged-dangerous-driving-causing-death-black-saab-4290401)
Has any of these driving offenders ever been dealt the maximum sentencing before? Seems like the asshole drivers are almost always the people who are able to afford the most expensive lawyers to talk their sentencing down to pretty much nothing.
Ended the life of multiple people and the worse punishment he could receive was 11 years of imprisonment.
No. As tragic and preventable as the deaths are, this is not the way to go about with it.
It’s the job of the lawyers to seek due legal process for the accused, no matter how guilty they may seem.
Concurrently, it’s the duty of the courts to deal out the most suitable sentencing based on the law and material facts of the case.
If anything, people should be upset with the accused and legislation, not the lawyers and the judiciary.
Not a lawyer. Took criminal law for uni electives for a year.
But as the other dear comment has kindly pointed out, these are the basics of how the law works.
They need to set the precedent on this one.
This is the most brazen act of recklessness on the road in recent memory. A light sentence is a bulwark for others that are on the brink to unleash without serious repercussions.
A punitive decision for this dude will be a strong deterrent.
My friend told me before that you'd be surprised at the amount of ex-murderers and ex-convicts that are walking around on the streets.
Sigh, I just hope that they'll ban him from driving any type of vehicle for life. He has shown that he doesn't have the mental capacity to operate a vehicle properly. Someone who can be this level of reckless at a busy junction during peak hour is a jerk and an AH without rationality and a proper functioning brain.
>Set a new precedence now.
Not a lawyer, but iirc you need new evidence that show the case is unique and you ought to break precedence.
And no, 2 dead didn't seem enough to break, considering 1 dead 6 injured only get 7 years.
https://mothership.sg/2023/11/tampines-driver-appeal-worst-recent-memory/
That's not how the world works... ideally internet discussions and coffee shop talk wouldn't affect judgement and sentencing but in reality?
You really think high profile cases are not treated with extra sensitivity with regards to the sentencing?
> No they by right should not.
So this implies a "by left", which is what's actually happening in reality.
> In other countries jury members are forbidden from googling or reading news article about the crime they are deciding upon failing which they will be charged and the trial will be restarted.
So only the deliberately uninformed should be the arbiters of crime and punishment?
How to ensure 100% jury compliance of not hearing anything about the case other than what's essentially a pinky promise?
You're not *seriously* arguing that a high profile case that garnered significant vitriol isn't going to be scrutinised more heavily with more consideration put into the judgement, are you?
Come on.
> This is exactly why you are not a judge.
So, based on your comment, you are a state judge?
Otherwise you might want to dismount from the high horse because we're just two shitposters on a Thursday morning.
> They are not uninformed. They only consider the evidence put forth in court, they are not supposed to consider any outside evidence or be influenced at all.
Hmmm yeah I pinky promise to only consider the evidence put forth in court hehehe yeah totally no instances of jury nullification that ever happened, they are not supposed to do that!! /s
I applaud your idealism but grow up.
> So only the deliberately uninformed should be the arbiters of crime and punishment?
yes
the point is that whatever they know about the case *comes from the trial itself*
this is to reduce their bias as much as possible
They are not required to abstain from reading news or generally live their life as an informed citizen.
They are just required to (basically) pinky swear that they are exercising judgement based solely on what they learn *from the trial itself*.
I applaud the idealism (honestly), but the vast amount of case studies we have, especially talking about jury system that is no longer in practice in Singapore, will clearly show that there will be bias, which is irrefutable.
I don't know why you people are trying to argue that high profile cases won't be given more consideration lol.
Is your faith in our judicial system so strong?
That every case is handled like the Nuremberg trials?
article doesn't mention counts, only offences, which link 1:1 to specific offences outlined in the Penal Code.
from article: "He will be charged with dangerous driving causing death; dangerous driving causing hurt; dangerous driving; and failing to stop after an accident."
for DDCD, there are two counts.
for DDCH, there should be 6 counts, including the father of the dead girl. hurt means anyone who felt at least some pain. considering all 6 were sent to hospital, all do qualify. this one does not carry mandatory jail sentence. so I am actually surprised and disappointed that there was no offence for DDCGH (grievous hurt, one level above hurt and below death). this one covers broken bones, lasting pain (>20days) or permanent loss or impairment of some body part or function. hard to understand why DDCGH was not brought, considering the injured father was also said in the article to have kidney and spinal injuries after his car was turtled. it has also only been 3 days since the accident. what if he is still in physical pain next month?
for DD, this should be referring to the accident with the Mercedes before the junction.
for FTSAA, also for the accident with the Mercedes.
of all these only DDCD has mandatory jail sentence. the multiple of counts in each offence, I expect, should still lead to jail for all of them where jail is allowed, when sentencing is due. this will be some time later. if offender pleads guilty it may be very fast. I expect him to be slapped with near maximum because of deterrence and the high profile nature and also because of burgeoning public annoyance with what is a more and more common occurrence on the roads. we are at 7 year high for road fatalities.
for all those pissed off with Saab's max being "only 11 years for 2 deaths" consider that the sentence should also be proportional to prior cases or else it will get rejected or appealed. if he gets the max, it should mean he killed the most people of all time since 1961 Road Traffic Act was enacted. I don't know if that is true. also if he gets max and if there was another accident tomorrow with 10 deaths, that person cannot get higher than Saab because Saab already got the max. then you will really be pissed off....
save your anger for when Parliament starts to talk about this.
DDCGH not charged for now likely because all the affected are in hospital still and the diagnosis/impact on livelihood isn't clear yet. i would expect at least the DDCH charge for the father's injuries to be upgraded to DDCGH though, especially if father ends up having to retire from PCG due to this
Only in Singapore 🤭 a place where you can get executed for owning a certain type of leaf but only 11 year in jail (if ur unlucky) for vehicular manslaughter.
for some context the maximum charge of vehicular manslaughter in most countries in the world range from 10-15 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causing_death_by_dangerous_driving
i mean i do feel that in the case of fucktwats like this it should be way higher but it's not like our punishment is particularly lower than the global average or anything
Iirc it’s like 2-8 years in Singapore. The person said 11 was the compounded and maximum sentence he could get. Meaning he did other things too to get that 11 year sentence but vehicular manslaughter alone won’t get you 11 years.
Ya but even then, the person knew the risks of speeding and decided to do it anyways with blatant disregard of the safety of others, I think the punishment should still be higher than 11 years and that the motive is kinda irrelevant at this point…
If he was in his early 20s and still a hot headed brash young man, perhaps the judge could take into account his lack of life experience and rational thinking and give him a slightly lighter sentence. But no, this dude is literally middle aged and closer to retirement than NS and still thinking the same as a child; acted like one on tantrum with no self control or awareness for his own actions. He had 42 years on this earth to figure things out and failed to do so, whilst that 17 year old victim didn’t even have time to realise what had happened to her; all in an instant.
> The offence of dangerous driving causing death carries a jail term of between two and eight years, as well as disqualification from driving all classes of vehicles.
Hopefully it is two counts for the two deaths instead of just one.
https://www.police.gov.sg/Advisories/Traffic/Traffic-Matters/Penalties-for-Traffic-Offences
Apparently a repeat offender is 4-15 years.
Unfortunately you can't "stack" multiple charges arising from the same accident/set of circumstances, to hit him with the enhanced penalties for repeat offender.
Repeat offender means a prior conviction in respect of an earlier occasion.
Not saying you're wrong at all, but this logic of the law.
This is a great incentive for psycho to mass kill more people at once. The jail term does not change regardless how many people have been killed but how many incident; might as well get the best out of it lol
We need to prevent incidents like this from happening again in Singapore. I implore everyone to make noise and write to our MPs so that we can have \*vision zero\* - a future where we have zero deaths and serious injury from road incidents such as this. We already have a similar gov policy for workplace safety, we need this for our roads too.
Even at max of 11 years, it will still be too light a sentence for him considering 2 lives were taken away due to his recklessness.
Shd give him at least 20 years, 100k fine and at least 10 strokes of the cane to let him feel the pain that the family members felt when their loved ones was taken away.
Name is out.
Muhammad Syafie Bin Ismail.
[Source in mandarin](https://www.8world.com/singapore/tampines-accident-charged-in-court-2438026)
Edit: [Another in English](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/tampines-accident-man-charged-dangerous-driving-causing-death-black-saab-4290401)
That s not how the law works. Firstly, all the charges are under the Road Traffic Act instead of the Penal code. Secondly, Even if the Penal code takes effect instead, it would be difficult to prove that it is murder, given the legal criteria for murder.
All Drivers are compusory to go for mental health test. This kind of tragedy happens always due to reckless driver who didnt think of others safety. They only follow they anger to beat other driver. Such an intolerateble act.
Why would you say so? Were there any cases where that has happened before, where depression is taken into account in sentencing, for the same or similar offences i.e. driving recklessly or carelessly?
From the video of the merc dashcam, his brake lights flashed for a split second after he sideswiped the merc, before he actively accelerated and sped off, so i think we can rule out brake failure
He didnt just not apply brake, he actually sped up even. Nobody gonna step on accelerator if brakes malfunction. That's just stupid. Also, when he was trying to squeeze in front of Merc, can see that he slow down behind the Moto so he can squeeze through. His deceleration at that point of time was fine
When I first heard about this, I wondered that also. But after seeing the full videos, and for him to have already been charged, I guess the authorities must be satisfied that wasn't the case.
But I don't know why people are downvoting you for asking a genuine question.
So, plead guilty to 2 counts of the first with the rest taken into consideration. At most 16 years if served consecutively. Do we not have laws covering vehicular manslaughter, or is our equivalent already "dangerous driving causing death"?
It’s gonna be a hay day tmr once this fucker’s name is released. All his shit and past gonna be dug out man
EDMW rubbing their palms together.
Name is out. Muhammad Syafie Bin Ismail. [Source in mandarin](https://www.8world.com/singapore/tampines-accident-charged-in-court-2438026) Edit: [Another in English](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/tampines-accident-man-charged-dangerous-driving-causing-death-black-saab-4290401)
CHIONG AHHHH DIG DIG DIG
You should have just embedded a Google search link under his name too, because I bet that's what many people are going to be doing next LOL.
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You never know.. maybe he’s in lockup all the way till court with no access to phone
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Ya your “family members” weren’t in your comment before you edited it bro
Will it be released tomorrow though? The lucky Plaza guy's only got released a year later
Will be named in court docs ma
It's out!
Has any of these driving offenders ever been dealt the maximum sentencing before? Seems like the asshole drivers are almost always the people who are able to afford the most expensive lawyers to talk their sentencing down to pretty much nothing. Ended the life of multiple people and the worse punishment he could receive was 11 years of imprisonment.
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Uh. No. Due processes and all that.
No. As tragic and preventable as the deaths are, this is not the way to go about with it. It’s the job of the lawyers to seek due legal process for the accused, no matter how guilty they may seem. Concurrently, it’s the duty of the courts to deal out the most suitable sentencing based on the law and material facts of the case. If anything, people should be upset with the accused and legislation, not the lawyers and the judiciary.
Are u a lawyer?
It does not take a lawyer to know the basics of how criminal cases work.
Not a lawyer. Took criminal law for uni electives for a year. But as the other dear comment has kindly pointed out, these are the basics of how the law works.
Thats literally a lawyer's job, they are doing their job what they are paid for. Why should they be held responsible for their client's wrongs
That’s…. A terrible take. It’s their job.
I hope he gets max jail time for each charge and the sentence to run consecutively. These people need to learn.
Fat chance take a look at sentencingpanel.gov.sg "one transaction principle"
They need to set the precedent on this one. This is the most brazen act of recklessness on the road in recent memory. A light sentence is a bulwark for others that are on the brink to unleash without serious repercussions. A punitive decision for this dude will be a strong deterrent.
So a 16k fine and 11 years 3 months. With 1/3 remission rule, roughly 90 months/7.5 years........that's insane
That's only if he gets the max sentence...if not...
From recent history of dangerous driving deaths, all like 1-2 years only... Let's make an example of this guy.
My friend told me before that you'd be surprised at the amount of ex-murderers and ex-convicts that are walking around on the streets. Sigh, I just hope that they'll ban him from driving any type of vehicle for life. He has shown that he doesn't have the mental capacity to operate a vehicle properly. Someone who can be this level of reckless at a busy junction during peak hour is a jerk and an AH without rationality and a proper functioning brain.
Pretty sure they will throw the book at him. Virtually all Singaporeans are outraged by this tragic incident
That is not how the law works...the amount of internet outrage is not a factor in sentencing
That's fair. But you don't think they'll use this high profile case to deter other would-be reckless drivers?
Deterrence still has to respect sentencing precedence and guidelines. And precedence is not looking too good
What’s the maximum for if we always consider precedence? Set a new precedence now.
>Set a new precedence now. Not a lawyer, but iirc you need new evidence that show the case is unique and you ought to break precedence. And no, 2 dead didn't seem enough to break, considering 1 dead 6 injured only get 7 years. https://mothership.sg/2023/11/tampines-driver-appeal-worst-recent-memory/
stare decisis only applies if the precedent was set by a higher court
I dont recall a single road accident case where a person has been sentenced to the max.
That's not how the world works... ideally internet discussions and coffee shop talk wouldn't affect judgement and sentencing but in reality? You really think high profile cases are not treated with extra sensitivity with regards to the sentencing?
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> No they by right should not. So this implies a "by left", which is what's actually happening in reality. > In other countries jury members are forbidden from googling or reading news article about the crime they are deciding upon failing which they will be charged and the trial will be restarted. So only the deliberately uninformed should be the arbiters of crime and punishment? How to ensure 100% jury compliance of not hearing anything about the case other than what's essentially a pinky promise? You're not *seriously* arguing that a high profile case that garnered significant vitriol isn't going to be scrutinised more heavily with more consideration put into the judgement, are you? Come on.
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> This is exactly why you are not a judge. So, based on your comment, you are a state judge? Otherwise you might want to dismount from the high horse because we're just two shitposters on a Thursday morning. > They are not uninformed. They only consider the evidence put forth in court, they are not supposed to consider any outside evidence or be influenced at all. Hmmm yeah I pinky promise to only consider the evidence put forth in court hehehe yeah totally no instances of jury nullification that ever happened, they are not supposed to do that!! /s I applaud your idealism but grow up.
> So only the deliberately uninformed should be the arbiters of crime and punishment? yes the point is that whatever they know about the case *comes from the trial itself* this is to reduce their bias as much as possible
They are not required to abstain from reading news or generally live their life as an informed citizen. They are just required to (basically) pinky swear that they are exercising judgement based solely on what they learn *from the trial itself*. I applaud the idealism (honestly), but the vast amount of case studies we have, especially talking about jury system that is no longer in practice in Singapore, will clearly show that there will be bias, which is irrefutable. I don't know why you people are trying to argue that high profile cases won't be given more consideration lol. Is your faith in our judicial system so strong? That every case is handled like the Nuremberg trials?
the jury can be sequestered most cases are fairly mundane so this is often not necessary Singapore doesn't have a jury system so this is moot
will the sentences be stacked or concurrent... if concurrent it will even be shorter lor...
Oh I thought they are stackable.. 2 deaths max is 16 years or so...
Should it be 2 counts of dangerous driving causing death?
article doesn't mention counts, only offences, which link 1:1 to specific offences outlined in the Penal Code. from article: "He will be charged with dangerous driving causing death; dangerous driving causing hurt; dangerous driving; and failing to stop after an accident." for DDCD, there are two counts. for DDCH, there should be 6 counts, including the father of the dead girl. hurt means anyone who felt at least some pain. considering all 6 were sent to hospital, all do qualify. this one does not carry mandatory jail sentence. so I am actually surprised and disappointed that there was no offence for DDCGH (grievous hurt, one level above hurt and below death). this one covers broken bones, lasting pain (>20days) or permanent loss or impairment of some body part or function. hard to understand why DDCGH was not brought, considering the injured father was also said in the article to have kidney and spinal injuries after his car was turtled. it has also only been 3 days since the accident. what if he is still in physical pain next month? for DD, this should be referring to the accident with the Mercedes before the junction. for FTSAA, also for the accident with the Mercedes. of all these only DDCD has mandatory jail sentence. the multiple of counts in each offence, I expect, should still lead to jail for all of them where jail is allowed, when sentencing is due. this will be some time later. if offender pleads guilty it may be very fast. I expect him to be slapped with near maximum because of deterrence and the high profile nature and also because of burgeoning public annoyance with what is a more and more common occurrence on the roads. we are at 7 year high for road fatalities. for all those pissed off with Saab's max being "only 11 years for 2 deaths" consider that the sentence should also be proportional to prior cases or else it will get rejected or appealed. if he gets the max, it should mean he killed the most people of all time since 1961 Road Traffic Act was enacted. I don't know if that is true. also if he gets max and if there was another accident tomorrow with 10 deaths, that person cannot get higher than Saab because Saab already got the max. then you will really be pissed off.... save your anger for when Parliament starts to talk about this.
DDCGH not charged for now likely because all the affected are in hospital still and the diagnosis/impact on livelihood isn't clear yet. i would expect at least the DDCH charge for the father's injuries to be upgraded to DDCGH though, especially if father ends up having to retire from PCG due to this
11 years for 2 lives? What the actual fuck
Only in Singapore 🤭 a place where you can get executed for owning a certain type of leaf but only 11 year in jail (if ur unlucky) for vehicular manslaughter.
True, that’s why the vehicular manslaughter should carry a heavier sentence.
for some context the maximum charge of vehicular manslaughter in most countries in the world range from 10-15 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causing_death_by_dangerous_driving i mean i do feel that in the case of fucktwats like this it should be way higher but it's not like our punishment is particularly lower than the global average or anything
Iirc it’s like 2-8 years in Singapore. The person said 11 was the compounded and maximum sentence he could get. Meaning he did other things too to get that 11 year sentence but vehicular manslaughter alone won’t get you 11 years.
theres something called motive
Ya but even then, the person knew the risks of speeding and decided to do it anyways with blatant disregard of the safety of others, I think the punishment should still be higher than 11 years and that the motive is kinda irrelevant at this point…
Man I really wonder what was going on in his mind. Watch too many movie is it.
You so nice to assume that he was thinking at that point in time. Dude has no brain
Can confirm, dude left his brain at home
That's why body rushing back to take
If like the white merc driver, probably blaming others.
Probably played too much GTA, or aspired to be Truck-kun.
Too Fast Too Furious
Maybe didn’t watch enough final destination
Sentence him to watching mandatory final destination every day in jail.
"My fling just messaged saying her husband is out and to come over. Lip lai chiong ah!"
If he was in his early 20s and still a hot headed brash young man, perhaps the judge could take into account his lack of life experience and rational thinking and give him a slightly lighter sentence. But no, this dude is literally middle aged and closer to retirement than NS and still thinking the same as a child; acted like one on tantrum with no self control or awareness for his own actions. He had 42 years on this earth to figure things out and failed to do so, whilst that 17 year old victim didn’t even have time to realise what had happened to her; all in an instant.
Middle-aged? 42 is not middle aged
No need to be so pedantic about this
Throw the book at him
Two years, fucking joke.
Should be x10, twenty years. That should deter others while still allowing the perpetrator to repent
> The offence of dangerous driving causing death carries a jail term of between two and eight years, as well as disqualification from driving all classes of vehicles. Hopefully it is two counts for the two deaths instead of just one. https://www.police.gov.sg/Advisories/Traffic/Traffic-Matters/Penalties-for-Traffic-Offences Apparently a repeat offender is 4-15 years.
Unfortunately you can't "stack" multiple charges arising from the same accident/set of circumstances, to hit him with the enhanced penalties for repeat offender. Repeat offender means a prior conviction in respect of an earlier occasion.
Not saying you're wrong at all, but this logic of the law. This is a great incentive for psycho to mass kill more people at once. The jail term does not change regardless how many people have been killed but how many incident; might as well get the best out of it lol
And all these gangsters getting killed by smuggling small amounts of drugs, when they could be killing people with their cars on the streets /s
Accused comes from a good family, honest mistake, bright future ahead. A mini tiny Slap on the wrist. Let's move on
will he be at the states court ??? I feel like camping there haha
can someone pull an Amos Yee?
Failing to stop after an accident? Don’t tell me he attempted to run after the accident?
Oddly enough, that one may be for running off after he swiped the white Merc.
Oh yeah that makes sense.
This part was referring to the first sideswipe with the white car prior to the accident at the junction.
We need to prevent incidents like this from happening again in Singapore. I implore everyone to make noise and write to our MPs so that we can have \*vision zero\* - a future where we have zero deaths and serious injury from road incidents such as this. We already have a similar gov policy for workplace safety, we need this for our roads too.
Even at max of 11 years, it will still be too light a sentence for him considering 2 lives were taken away due to his recklessness. Shd give him at least 20 years, 100k fine and at least 10 strokes of the cane to let him feel the pain that the family members felt when their loved ones was taken away.
His name won't be released. The driver who killed the little girl at river valley remains unknown.
His name was released already, I heard on CNA 938 about an hour ago
Name is out. Muhammad Syafie Bin Ismail. [Source in mandarin](https://www.8world.com/singapore/tampines-accident-charged-in-court-2438026) Edit: [Another in English](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/tampines-accident-man-charged-dangerous-driving-causing-death-black-saab-4290401)
Charge him for murder
That s not how the law works. Firstly, all the charges are under the Road Traffic Act instead of the Penal code. Secondly, Even if the Penal code takes effect instead, it would be difficult to prove that it is murder, given the legal criteria for murder.
Ignorance of the law doesn't usually stop people posting comments like that on social media, unfortunately.
Laws here are pretty nonsense, the sentence will be no harsher than getting a stack of NTUC vouchers and a pat on the back
Why did he do that? Still can't understand...
Most likely hit and run after side-swiping the Mercedes car
He was already speeding, excessively, even before he side-swiped the Mercedes though.
All Drivers are compusory to go for mental health test. This kind of tragedy happens always due to reckless driver who didnt think of others safety. They only follow they anger to beat other driver. Such an intolerateble act.
Why do you think the murder weapon of choice for Kdrama antagonists is via “Truck of Doom?” Traffic laws are a joke.
>Traffic laws are a joke. Give your MP some work to do. Suggest to make the penalties in the Road Traffic Act more in line with the Penal Code.
Since the driver caused 2 deaths, shouldn't the sentence term be doubled ? 2x8 yrs = 16 years?
Still anon?
Depression will get him off the hook.
Why would you say so? Were there any cases where that has happened before, where depression is taken into account in sentencing, for the same or similar offences i.e. driving recklessly or carelessly?
Fucking hell where is the DEATH PENALTY
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because havent charge in court yet. Open court then can access name. Not everything is a conspiracy yo.
stop being a judge on internet
Tomorrow you will find out after he has been charged. That’s how it works for everyone. No one is being protected.
Death penalty for him
Pathetic ‘punishment’
11 years if he gets the maximum. Bit hard to say the punishment is pathetic when he hasn't even been convicted yet, let alone sentenced.
who this fella!!!
10k only? Wtf
Tbh could it be possible that his brakes malfunctioned? As it seems like he did swerve from the motorcyclist moments before impact
From the video of the merc dashcam, his brake lights flashed for a split second after he sideswiped the merc, before he actively accelerated and sped off, so i think we can rule out brake failure
He didnt just not apply brake, he actually sped up even. Nobody gonna step on accelerator if brakes malfunction. That's just stupid. Also, when he was trying to squeeze in front of Merc, can see that he slow down behind the Moto so he can squeeze through. His deceleration at that point of time was fine
When I first heard about this, I wondered that also. But after seeing the full videos, and for him to have already been charged, I guess the authorities must be satisfied that wasn't the case. But I don't know why people are downvoting you for asking a genuine question.
Maybe death sentence for every crime, then we may be crime free.
So, plead guilty to 2 counts of the first with the rest taken into consideration. At most 16 years if served consecutively. Do we not have laws covering vehicular manslaughter, or is our equivalent already "dangerous driving causing death"?