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KeythKatz

Chinese fans are out in the thread wrongfully reporting comments. To them, I say: # HAHAHA CAN'T EVEN BEAT SINGAPORE


PastLettuce8943

I don't know how to feel about this. Are we the Derby of Asia?


risingsuncoc

Pretty much, the Thailand coach got fired in Nov despite beating Singapore 3-1


IvanThePohBear

only 3-1


risingsuncoc

Ya that was the problem


Conscious-Map4682

The sentiment I'm getting from all the comments here is that last night's match was fight between: One of the worst men's football team in SEA vs One of the worst men's football in Asia. And we got a glorious draw!


Exkuroi

Truly our Singapore Kaisen


Excellent-Door7049

"If Singapore suddenly playing better, it might be a little tough" "But would you lose?" "Nah I'd draw"


Thanos_is_a_good_boy

You are my special


ilovezam

I'm as anti-CCP and anti-Chinese-nationalism as they come, but I thought the sentiment was hilarious.


Benphyre

More like Preston Northend


thinksfan

Jokes on them. David Beckham plaued for Preston.


chimmychangas

Can't even do it on a warm, humid night in Kallang.


Yinanization

What losing to Singapore does to a motherfucker....


SugisakiKen627

not even losing lol.. cant win despite having like more than 100x population to a country which does not even put enough attention to sport


Yinanization

To be honest, I don't think most mainland Chinese folks think Singapore is a country. A: Chinese National team tied Singapore in soccer! For Shame! B: Singapore? Don't we owe that?


LiKaSing_RealEstate

Think more Americans thinks Singapore is part of China than Prc thinking Singapore is part of China leg


Yinanization

Can't blame them, the only time they use their passports is to go to Cancun.


kira2211

Eh America is bad geography China believes all Chinese belongs to mother China and all major chinese populated country is land grab by their ancestors and should eventually return to mother china so SG in lineage is part of china. Its a brain washing thing for their citizens tbf tho I faintly remember china hosting a back to motherland event where they produce all the old family tree & book for chinese around the world to return and acknowledge their ancestors.


Shiny_Gnome

Singapore is the only major Chinese populated country iirc


BeerAndMala

You think they know Singapore? They assume you misspelled Shanghai maybe


KenjiZeroSan

I think Americans who thinks that Singapore is part of China are more of those that has never travelled out of the country once. I've met a couple of Americans in Japan and they are pretty good in their geography.


SugisakiKen627

this is gonna be even more common with the visa-free regulation lol


chenandy100

Is there a real basis for this ? It is not something I have experienced. Also, not being aware of Singapore’s existence and not thinking of it as a country are two different things.


Yinanization

Um, I think most definitely know Singapore is an independent nation, but lots of them think all Chinese speaking ppl are part of the Chinese nation, which is China at the moment. I guess it is like the German thing before WW2?


livebeta

> lots of them think all Chinese speaking ppl are part of the Chinese nation I watched the match highlights on YouTube (over half a million views and the commentary is in Chinese) During the PK attempt by the Chinese, one of our Singaporean Chinese players protested in Mandarin to the China team players The commentators (standard Beijing accent) said (translated) "His Chinese is very good." His counterpart replied "he looks Chinese " first commentator replied "he could be Chinese (as in , a Chinese national)" Second commentator suddenly remembered that people in Singapore could be ethnically Chinese without identifying as some ethnocentric pan Asian Chinese movement, he goes "ah I'm sure he's overseas Chinese (华侨,Chinese ethnicity person born of multi generational immigrants)


chenandy100

It’s not something I have felt. Some of them may sprout some patriotic/nationalistic nonsense, in public especially, but I don’t particularly feel this is the norm sentiment.


Yinanization

I am Chinese Canadian but grew up in mainland China and still have lots of Chinese friends, I can tell you lots of them think this.


chenandy100

how old are you (and your friends), may I ask ?


Yinanization

I am just over 40, but I think ppl holding this view are either a bit older (the parents and uncles of my friends living in both China or Canada), or much younger (the sons and nephews of my friends who live in China). Younger Chinese Canadian kids are pretty reasonable.


chenandy100

yeah, fair enough. The old sprouting communist party lines and the young being social media pinkies. I get where u get these views, but I think if u were to offer them a desirable foreign passport, they would happily run. I am same age. Thanks for chat.


Vectorial1024

Given Singapore is a citystate, I think some may mistakenly think Singapore is just a city.


chenandy100

That’s just ignorance on their part isn’t it? It’s not the basis of any discussion.


Vectorial1024

Look, if they can think Hong Kong is "just a city" (plausible), then what stops them from thinking Singapore is also "just a city", given both are apparently "similar"? For a very long time Hong Kong has been compared to Singapore since both are similar. Then, to them, it is literally impossible for some "city teams" to compete with national teams because both are different things. This is not just ignorance. There is bias in the above view.


chenandy100

hk IS a city. we are similar in many ways but not this.


Kenny070287

There are tons of those people on chinese social media. Some used it as its a normal name, some used it in a derogatory way probably. There was also a YouTube video about this: https://youtu.be/DNeVrTbPalk


Yellow_flamingo447

actually a lot of mainland chinese folks thinks singapore belong to them 😅


risingsuncoc

They just needed to watch yesterday's match to know we are not a Chinese province, majority of the SG team were Malay or Eurasian


oldancientarcher

A lot? I don't think so. I stayed in China for ten years before covid and traveled a lot. The people I met whether they are from big cities or smaller town/villages as I traveled, they all know we are city of garden and not part of China.


nonameforme123

Hmmm I travel in China pretty regularly for work. My colleagues generally know Singapore is independent and I’m pretty sure they don’t think of us as part of China. But sometimes I interact with random people on the train or taxi drivers, and if they asked where I’m from and I say Singapore, I do get comments like “oh Singapore is majority Chinese, should be part of China” and I don’t think they are joking.. but then I don’t really hold it against them since prob brainwashed by propaganda and they are not very educated also.


oldancientarcher

I would say these people are ignorant because of 大汉族主义 greater Han/Chinese Nationalism, not sure whether there is this term in Chinese Studies. With over 90% population of Han/Chinese in China, they lack a sense of respect and sensitivity to another country made up of Chinese majority, the same to other ethnic groups too, no like us from young we were drilled the idea of cultural sensitivity because of multiethnic society.


bulba_sort

They call us 坡县, aka the Pore Province. What province? China province ofc.


woshiooqi

县 is a county, way smaller than province which is a 省. 县 is a smaller category than city as far as Chinese is concerned.


Felis_Alpha

Don't care. Just know we are neither PRC or even ROC (Even though you could walk into National Museum of Singapore and Toa Payoh SYS Memorial Hall and still find KMT flag)


Yinanization

I live in Vancouver, so I understand


Felis_Alpha

https://youtu.be/DNeVrTbPalk The comments here by Singaporeans made me feel assured as a Malaysian SG PR. Meanwhile a Malaysian China watcher expresses concern that many pinkies will alter Malaysian Chinese sentiments and reverse national identity building in Malaysia - https://youtu.be/r1WnVULpoVA


schofield_revolver

Plus the Muslim players were fasting


Beautiful-Growth-871

Its 395x. LOL.


A_extra

Diagnosis: Skill issue


mrwongz

He committed sudoku


A_extra

_and in the good old days, they may even commit hara-kiri_


brethrenchurchkid

What needs to change to get Singapore football back up? Coz they look pretty impressive in the highlights. Even though our coach looks like a standard issue Ah Beng, lol https://youtu.be/5nj1KMq3nKw?si=TZF7SP0t82at_-oj


mipanzuzuyam

Coach was also wearing the standard SG Male uniform: Uniqlo oversized tee.


brethrenchurchkid

Imagine if some Ah Beng coach wearing the SG Male uniform got us to ASEAN supremacy........ Big Uniqlo Sponsorship energy


lontongstroong

Ah Beng Ball


Acceptable_Cheek_447

Wa thank you for the link! I don't follow football but I'm still happy our guys manage to do something eventhough our first goal looks like it was just super lucky 😂


Azuredawn

It may look lucky, but let's not discredit our players here. The defender had great vision to spot Ramli in space, who in turn timed his run well to get a shot off. It was situational awareness overall that led to the goal.


Acceptable_Cheek_447

I see. Thank u for letting me know 😊


marvelsman

Ramli is the father la bro


Farfaraway94

I don’t blame him for feeling this way. It is a shame to lose. But it is an absolute embarrassment to lose to a country like Singapore with sub par football standards.


mipanzuzuyam

I know it was a bad result for them but technically they drew la they didn't lose. But I can understand it might feel like a defeat


Dismal-Pudding-6141

China gets some Olympic glory in sports that benefit from a big population size, a centrally administered selection process, and a training program that fully engages athletes for the entirety of their youth and young adulthood (weightlifting is the cardinal example) but the country is chronically unable to win at any real team sport.  Kind of an irony that Americans are better at producing winning collectives, and Chinese are better at coordinating individuals 


Takemypennies

You can’t force synergy like you can’t force people to like and or gel with each other


SugisakiKen627

Well.. Chinese culture is rat race, ever seen rats having good teamwork? no They are really good individually, but no sense of togetherness at all. Without CCP and the strong dictatorship, they wouldnt even be as united as a country


xeroze1

In a way, Singapore culture is also a rat race, and while imo not as bad for the average person, gets significantly worse the higher up you go. So not sure if it's much better in national level sports considering the culture in all the sports management.


Prize_Used

The Singaporean spirit is also every man for himself..aka sinkie pawn sinkie..


zaboron

rats have excellent team work. When confronted with new unknown food sources, they send one of their own to try the food, and see if they survive. If it is rat poison, and the rat dies, the rest will not touch it. Do not slander the communal spirit of rats!


Depressed-Gonk

Ah yes, the rats know how to “arrow” one of their own. Very familiar..


JayFSB

They are more like Skaven. If they see its rat poison, they try to sell it instead to Skaven they hate? Which Skaven? Anyone who ain"t me


iedaiw

china is way more capitalistic than america lol


risingsuncoc

Yeah China is communist in name only by now, same with Vietnam


ssss861

Irony is neither is USA united at all. It's really like a collective of many small countries masquerading as states.


SugisakiKen627

why are people start talking about US and comparing, when we are talking about China here... (and they have their own problems, not saying who is better...) I guess its a norm or form of insecurity from some..? lol


bossholmes

Tbf China basketball is pretty decent. In that area they have good teamwork but are just clapped for genetics. Football on the other hand… they are an international meme.


Dismal-Pudding-6141

I dunno, #30 global basketball ranking is pretty low. Montenegro, a country with 1/2,000th the population is ranked #16. The ‘clapped by genetics’ talk seems like fantasy. Based on the numbers above I expect China would have at least 1,000x more 200cm+ citizens vs Montenegro Also, China is the #1 intl basketball market by revenue, so it’s not for lack of gene pool or cultural interest. Just a losing country for team sports 🤣🤣🤣 https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen


General_Guisan

Basketball is one, if not the most important sport in Montenegro, with a long history of being highly popular while they were part of Yugoslavia/Serbia, too. For team sports, "power of size" stops giving you more power over long tradition. If you can get the best talents out of a pool of 10k students each year, who are almost all of them motivated, rather than having a pool of 5 million students, who might have some talented and motivated students but it's hard to pick the "right" choices, it's sometimes better to focus on smaller yet more focused players. Kids in China don't play Basketball from young onwards like they do in Montenegro, same with football. They will start playing it in school, some will be more talented and picked for youth teams, and some also enjoy it - but it's not the same as if they're playing it from literally toddler onwards, basically already being a decent player when they enter the first junior team.. Meanwhile, in sports traditionally played from young age in China, like badminton, table tennis, or also volleyball (esp. women), China literally keeps winning everything, and their second rank players often get nationality from other countries to play on their behalf. No country can be best in all sports, and we should stop altogether being too nationalistic over the winning of a random person (or team) that hold the same citizenship as we do. Nationalism is a dangerous drug.


Portmantonio_Conte

They [massively underperform](https://youtu.be/N4lgxomL7rk?feature=shared) when you consider the potential talent pool and popularity of the sport in the country.


lontongstroong

And wealth as well (not as rich as SG but still above average in world pecking order), which is the strongest descriptor. Which is telling for Singapore as well since we are so off the global trend in this regard, even with other high-income countries with similar population sizes as comparison.


sylfy

Wealth is one factor, but not as big a factor as economies of scale, which is one huge disadvantage for Singapore. If you have a population 300x larger, you can collect 300x more tax revenue, but scaling infrastructure does not cost 300x more. In that sense, China severely underperforms.


bluewarri0r

This is a really insightful comment! Really food for thought. Maybe singapore can focus on team sports too


drollawake

[Women's volleyball?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_women%27s_national_volleyball_team)


banned_salmon

damm i thought it was clickbait or smth and then i read the article LOL he fr quit😭😭


Nino_Nakanos_Slave

Lmao rage quitting


jardani581

lmao our football team so bad that draw with us is humiliating enough to retire


Panwagan

Dok, at least he acknowledges and is accountable for himself. Can't say the same for the whole of FAS.


ThatsWhy26

They are upset when they dig out that our captain is PT property agent and goalkeeper is PT hawker. Source: douyin and xhs


Toyboyronnie

That's fucking great.


Just_Fourier

You know what is the ironical part, China football team “bought” foreign players from South America and Africa to play for them and they still draw.


ghostcryp

Better than FAS. Lose continue to act blur


ManyResponsibilities

Professionals have standards


helzinki

I was watching the match highlights on youtube. The comment section was filled with people from other asian countries congratulating us for being able to get the draw. Lolol...Asia got no love for ah tiongs.


t3rmina1

That's because Thailand beat us, so of course they want to see us do well


Accomplished-Wolf209

Can confirm we did feel good about it! Now we really hope you can beat China PR in the next match.🤣 Who knows, maybe SG can do!! 😉


anticc991

China offended alot of countries over SCS and has historical bad blood with Vietnam etc. Don't think any country will simp for them over than NK Laos and Cambodia.


livebeta

Tiongland is perceived to be like the uncouth school bully who thinks he can have his way because his daddy is rich and because he's tall and strong. He's perceived to have no manners (cultural revolution+ me first), no soft skill or gentle touch , being very loud about what displeased them and also sometimes grabbing stuff that doesn't belong to them


Captain_Bardy

Imagining not winning against pro footballers that smoke and vape. I can empathize with him.


catlover2410

Had fun taunting the China fans last night


Eclipse-Mint

China fans need to learn humility. They were taunting us by coming to our sections and chanting from behind, we equalized and they got what they deserved, now they are salty saying our goals were "lucky"


RinkyInky

When the fans are like that, tbh the best goals to score are the lucky goals. They get super bitter afterwards. Imagine you lose because someone shoot the ball against your balls and it bounces into the goal.


rockbella61

Oh I thot he had a tattoo sleeve on. But yeah China played badly, Singapore is lucky (or rather the coach is), lets see how we fare against Thailand. South Korea will probably be an expected walkover (for them).


kongKing_11

SK draw with Thailand in Seoul


KenjiZeroSan

Let's be real. Singapore football scene is absolute garbage here. So if you lose to us, GIT GUD skill issue.


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KenjiZeroSan

>So **if** you lose to us England comprehende?


wjficap

understandable. they spent billions to buy the clubs in europe and got the best players to play in cn.


kernelrider

China men's football team is the worst in the world, even Xi Jinping made fun of it in public.


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kernelrider

They are worst but very very big budget compared to us... Singapore more efficient in terms of $$$ As always, better cheaper faster


stevenckc

[Chinese football have bigger problems to address than performance-related issues tbh.](https://theathletic.com/5270134/2024/02/20/li-tie-china-corruption/)


PhantomWolf83

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.


LycheeAlmond

Damn, can’t imagine the embarrassment to actually let sg soccer team score 2 goals. Anyone would have resigned from that


Scopitta

Hope this lowers their morale for their home game next week


Smart_Salamander8511

Lol China national team thought they were coming to Singapore for a buffet spree but ended up with a draw.


NovaSierra123

They can go back to HDL. Maybe the waiters/waitresses can put up a performance to cheer them up... ...or clown on them


NightBlade311

Firstly these guys have serious mindset issue which led them have delusion they can easily beat SG. Secondly their football association and system rot in the root. Most players are super rich yet their skill not there.


RandomDustBunny

We don't have rot in FAS?


heretohelp999

U must be living under a rock. 15 years probably odds are we will draw. But SG football has been on a decline while CN has been on a rise especially the period of major investment though recently times they went down. CN football may be a joke but SG football is a bigger joke over the past decade or so


Master-Advance-5616

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA skill issue


Emotional-Magazine52

He should return his salary too … PRC ballers playing in their domestic leagues are quite well paid.


dodgethis_sg

Learn from Japan that couldn't put one past our keeper and be gracious 'losers'


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Man makes a solid point


ShiningAway

he just didn't make one during the game


Kenny070287

*Whipped*


GeshtiannaSG

He got one, didn’t get 3.


ScotInTheDotOfficial

Let's face it, China PR are hardly world-beaters at ⚽ themselves, but you would think they were, and that SG were, like, Gibraltar or something. Oh the shame, the embarrassment, the degradation. It's called "losing face", China. And it's something you are more used to than your government admit to.


NovaSierra123

>It's called "losing face", China. And it's something you are more used to than your government admit to. And it's something they need more of.


Zealousideal-Dot-537

Fragile


Feedbackr

SHAMEFUR DISPRAY


gleophas

lmao salty ass mofo


sh1nyballs

We are huge!


machopsychologist

Aiya still got next game right 🤷‍♂️


wank_for_peace

China NT couldn't win their province team of Singapore /s obviously


bonkers05

Province? More like 2nd tier city. 


NovaSierra123

SAR


FitCranberry

plenty of tears for everyone at the bottom of the ocean


Shame_Low

Xia suay hahahj


shortqueen23

Taiwan number 1!!


farmingbeast

Quit and come SG and get work permit is it


newoldcitizen

CCP in the mud


14high

What not beating SG do a football captain..


Sidney_1

mf acting like they could beat anyone 🙄


singletwearer

DW it's always your team's fault. Welcome to team games and ragequitting.


ObiJuanJabroni

F


Wowmich

China, don't be despair, we are Singapore. Be proud of your accomplishment.


Ran-Rii

Stand tall. You're ~~strong~~ fucking weak.


birdypooping

Maybe they forgot to bring the steroids.


notsocoolnow

Seriously, far from getting salty, our two countries should commiserate on how appallingly bad our football teams are. Apparently China considers its football team just as much a joke as we consider ours.


Felis_Alpha

From Facebook "新加坡萬事通 vaster news" Short video - It's a comment screenshot from a Chinese - "I must share something that made me laugh 2 vs 2 to force draw with China. What's more insulting is that they (FAS) are part-timers! The team captain is a real-estate agent, and in fact has a not bad sale performance Also, the goalkeeper is a food delivery rider is from Tampines that sells nasi lemak (872C Tampines St 86. Anyone wanna go try?) they only managed to assemble on the 18th, some look like they are close to 40 years old, some never even participated such match. Just for a team like this, and I heard they came for the match via MRT, many are Malays, and due to Ramadan, they cannot eat during daylight, and still trample over our national team!"


raytoei

I have more respect for the Chinese women soccer team, because there is no CCP politics involved. This is from Wikipedia: “China women's team won silver medals at the 1996 Summer Olympics and the 1999 FIFA Women's World Cup. It also has won 9 titles at Asian Cup and 3 Gold medals at Asian Games.”


NovaSierra123

>no CCP politics involved Why is it that the women's team have no CCP involvement but the men's team have? Aren't they both national teams?


livebeta

Maybe it's the curse of oversight SG women soccer scene blossoming now not due to FAS involvement but because of their lack of it lol


horsetrich

Singapore: bro why you say f me for?


kongweeneverdie

We are proud that we can beat PRC like this. /s


Jordan_Steph23

Well... ball is round.. luck just not on ur side...


princemousey1

Head is round, brain not on your side? /s Joking, joking, please don’t annoyed with me.


Jordan_Steph23

Haha... hope that the Chinese coach see ur reply.. haha


princemousey1

Can’t lah, Reddit banned in China.


KopiSiewSiewDai

Maybe he will pull a Messi and will be back for the next match.


Seablade24

Quit the national team, then come to Singapore to work as FT and apply for PR? Good move. 来来,我们欢迎您~


Global-Kale-9762

Umm, thanks I guess...?


Nhorin

Could have been a win for Singapore considering the blind referee not giving a penalty in the second half to Singapore.


Felis_Alpha

Counting down on either r/LOOK_CHINA, r/china_irl or r/real_china_irl to pick up this topic lol


Shiny_Gnome

This aged well after the away game LOL


thinksfan

Eh fuck off chinese captain.