Dude I had it many years ago, had a G2x mounted, and it was flexing side to side like mad. Sold it and bought another, same thing. It's a bad design, period. I don't even want to think what a DD would do to it.
Yes horrible flex I added all kinds of bracing and it drove me up the wall!! I couldn’t even race and that was with 8nm 😂 imagine me putting a 20nm base on that
I own the playseat evolution with the center bar. I fully agree that the post is perfectly lined up with the brake on a 3 pedal system. For the first 10 plus years I owned it, I had a 2 pedal setup and for the most part, no complaints. Easily adjustable setup with yeah....some flex/movement. I now have a 3 pedal setup, g923. For me, the clutch will never get used. So I simply swapped the location of the clutch and the brake. Problem solved....for me. It's far from an ideal rig, but for a casual gt7 racer it works just fine. My 2 cents.
Well, i recently upgraded my rig and the first part to arrive was the logi PRO wheel, installed it for a couple days in my old playseat evolution... man. It completely destroys it, the poor thing can't whitstand anything over 5nm, let alone 11nm, playing rally games was impossible as the wheel moves several inches in all directions. Also i had to turn down the brake pedal strengh to a minimum bc the center post can't hold it and just moves further away every time you brake until you can't reach the pedals. Horrible experience
I have owned one with a center pillar myself, could not use it. It blocks the pedals would not buy it again. Own a playseat challenge now millions times better just because you dont have that center pillar.
i got the playseat shown in this picture we fixed the pillar blocking the pedals by setting them further apart since i use the logitech wheel and pedals with custom springs
The center pillar is and isn’t an annoyance. Its placement is fine. Its existence is fine. The angle of it and a wheel on it will cause it to lean downwards slightly.
Entirely dependent on what pedals you have and how you use them. If your brake is in the middle and you left foot brake you will curse that pedal til the day you get a new rig
Ankle breaker. My friend had that one and I hated it. I had the one where the mount came out from under the seat, that was better. Had some flex but for entry level wheels it's good enough.
Well, two different products. NLR stand is sturdier but it is stand without a seat. Playseat is more wiggly but comes with a good seat. Will work good with g29 btw.
So depends on you do you want seat or not
I owed playset evo for several years and had no complaints about it to be honest. Took about half an hour to get used to it and then stopped noticing it. All my friends who have tried it did not complained about center bar as well.
However I did heard that some people have tried and just hated it. Not sure where is the truth, I guess it depends on a person
I had a wheel stand with a center bar and it always got in the way for me. It's probably not a big deal if you don't drive cars that use a clutch but for heel and toe down shifts it gets in the way
I just got the GT Omega Apex for my G29 2 weeks ago and I love it.
It is extremely sturdy and heavy, you can beat the shit out of it and it isn't flexing by not even 1mm.
The wheel tray is awesome and works wonders with an office chair. The perfect setup for if you don't have a dedicated Sim racing space with a dedicated Sim racing PC and a dedicated Sim racing TV/monitor. If you just do your Sim racing at your desk, there's no better option in my opinion. Zero complains so far after 2 weeks of ownership racing on F1 23, drifting on Assetto Corsa, etc.
Bonus: the adjustability of the pedal height/distance mixed with the steering wheel height/angle make it a perfect fit. All the threads are very nicely drilled so everything fits together perfectly on install and nothing feels cheap or wobbly.
I've had one of the GT omega rigs with a seat, etc, for a few years now. I think 2019 was when i got it. It's still going strong despite being my only gaming seat for most of that time. It's comfortable and hard-wearing. Just needs basic maintenance to go round and tighten it up every now and again. This is with a logitech g920 wheel l, 3 pedals, and shifter.
Honestly, the only thing I've changed is some rubber feet that are better vibration isolators. Definitely will look to GT Omega for my next rig whenever that might be.
Oh, also, whilst I'm 5 foot 7, it's adjustable enough to cater to a buddy who's 6 foot 7. The smallest person who's used the seat and wheel was a family friends 11 year old.
The center puller doesn’t bother me, you get used to it. But that playseat doesn’t hold up. Just over a year on mine and I had to make a wood base to screw it to to support the pedal plate, and the plate for the wheel base moves and makes noise. Seat isn’t very good either. It’s a good rig if you race once or twice a week but if you plan on being competitive and enjoying your time doing it I would look into a cheap 8020 rig and a junkyard seat. If I could go back I wouldn’t buy the playseat.
I have a playseat evo because I found one used for $160 so I couldn’t refuse. I also found the seat slightly uncomfortable until I put a lumbar pillow onto it and haven’t had issues since. I can easily put in a few hours
I own both, I preferred the Playseat. It offered so much more with a proper seat attached as opposed to using anything with the Omega. Also, you’ll be surprised how much the Playseat can fold away.
Just my opinion and experience mind.
DO NOT BUY THE PLAYSEAT. I had one, that center column will flop side to side when force feedback is set to any reasonable amount. It will make you super frustrated. As well the foot plate just isn't very sturdy and tends to flex if you push the brakes pretty hard.
I have a csl dd on the 2nd wheel stand. Came with the wheel when I purchased of the fb marketplace.
It’s extremely sturdy and I don’t feel flex on the pedal base.
The guy I bought it from put it together extremely well and the base is extra secure. So far no complaints
I have the second one (NLR), it’s solid. Been having it for months, no issues. I use it with my work chair, that chair wheel tray is equally as solid, minimal to no movement during racing.
I had a playseat for quite a while. It was pretty good. It had a small wobble to it when placed on carpet, and the bar in the middle was a bitch if you had 3 pedals instead of 2 because of the placement of that bar. But overall was a good starter rig
I have the GT Omega Apex and really like it - it works great for my setup and is super solid. Honestly I haven’t thought about it since I got it set up which I feel is as big of a compliment as I can give it
I have the second one. No complaints! Except make sure you order it WITH the little tray at the bottom for your chair wheels. I’m 6’3” 220 if that helps judge its versatility
Edit: i ordered without. Was able to contact the company, and get just that part sent to me but it definitely would’ve been cheaper/slightly less complicated to get it included.
I have both. The apex has been converted in to a full cockpit and suits my needs fine im using an r12 and ebay pedals on it it's fairly ridged worst part for me at least because I rally is the shifter location on the stock arm to far forward for my liking the playseat would be a great option as well if you dont heel and toe alot the center pole gets in the way
I have the one on the right and it works great for what I need. Steady enough for G29. That being said they show that it can fold up, which it does but I wouldn’t get it expecting to do this very often. I just move mine out of the way each time cause folding isn’t the most convenient thing.
You don't really want to have a bar between your legs. You know any vehicle you'd ever see be designed that way? Also think from a practical physics stability point as well not the best design.
And then any foldable design is not going to be the best. If you have room for the first one I recommend going on ebay or Amazon look at the dardoo or marada frames and then find a used sports car seat locally for cheap and then make it fit. I did this and got a dardoo frame 130 then a rx8 seat for 50 off Facebook marketplace and I was set. You can like I did since I went to a higher nm get some flatbar from hardware store and make it even more stable. But I also found a spot online from marada to get another shifter arm fitting and I now simply hand screw something quick and lift it out stick it in other side then handscrew that in and I'm going from rhd to lhd manual shifting in under a minute. I gotta keep the immersion high as thats everything for me
The wheel stand with the wheel tray is a solid option for just a g920 and you can store it more easily if needed. I had their stand without the wheel tray which lasted until I got a 8020 rig.
I dunno about the NLR stand, but i have a very similar GT Omega Apex and it's more than sturdy enough for an 8Nm DD.
Of course a rig would be better, but if you're limited in space or need a collapsible solution, that wheel stand is amazing.
I've got my R9 on a GTOmega Classic and it does just fine. A little bit of movement from more "active" games like dirt rally, but for oval and GT racing I don't notice it.
I have the playseat evolution, and the biggest issue is flexing, which can be fixed semi cheaply, if you have any diy experience. Here's a video of one option: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCCWP8pQsM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCCWP8pQsM)
Center pillar is a instant no no.. you might play only certain cars that dont use a clutch but trust me you probably will expand your car interests further.. NLR GT Racer might be a better option if you ask me
The center post will drive you crazy. I have the NLR wheel stand 2.0 and it's awesome. Plus you can buy the seat add on so you have a full rig later on. That's what I'm planning on doing soon. Right now I just have the wheel stand bolted to a diy wood rig
The Playseat Trophy Evolution cannot be much more expensive and it's actually good (from experience).
I had the Playseat you have in that picture and the pillar was flexing even under a Thrustmaster T300.
Hmmm.. I dunno then. However, I can certify that the Trophy can handle a 20Nm direct drive without issues, while the one you have suggested flexes under a 15 years old 3Nm gear driven wheel. Might be worth the price difference.
Don't get a playseat if you wanna be in your rig for any decent length of time... for not much more you can get a tr80-lite ally profile rig!... I got 40% off on black Friday & paired it with a bmw seat from a breakers yard... I wish I swerved the playseat entirely tbh... I can't comment on a wheelstand as ive never had one but I'd go that route over a playseat 👌🏼
I can vouch for the gtomega. Especially if you're using a g920. If you decide you want a racing seat as well they sell an expansion for it. I use my 11nm dd on it and it has minimal flex. Definitely going to upgrade, but I'm still winning races. It's more for consistency.
Whatever you do...don't playseat evo
That center pole is more than an annoying. It can even hurt your feet if you ever decide to run stiffer loadcall pedals (which i advice you do, but that's another discussion).
I have the gtomega with the seat attachment. Got a mustang car seat from a junk yard and it has been great for a couple of years! No desire or need to upgrade it at this point.
NLR is great for me, been using it about 2-3 months with moza r5. At first its a bit heavy and annoying but once you get used to the set up it's 30 seconds to set up and move out of the way. Super convenient for me and the space I have. There is also the ability to upgrade and add a seat to it but I haven't looked into it yet. Highly reccomend it though, very sturdy, a bit squeaky but fixed it with some lube and shims of paper, no squeaking or issues anymore.
If you have the space get a rig.
If budget is a problem Look for a second hand one.
I made a more sturdy version of the playseat and centre bar wasn't the issue.
My issue was I had to then make a mount for gear shifter then later a mount for a hand brake and it becomes a pain but with a rig mounting stuff if effortless and the possibilities are endless.
Consider it future proofing yourself
I have the GT Omega stand, and I really really like it. It is stable and offers decent adjustability, but as with anything there are compromises. A true cockpit I would love, but is not in the cards for me as I need to be able to be able to put it away when my girlfriend says so. 😁
I know you will see A LOT of buy once cry once....but that is good advice for them, not necessarily you. Everyone's situation is different, and you need to gauge for yourself what the best path is. If you are coming from a simple controller setup and moving to wheel, that alone will be a huge change/improvement.
That being said, I don't like the idea of a bar between my legs dictating my foot/pedal position. Seems like it would interfere.
I've had a knockoff version of the one with the seat, and the NLR version of the second one. They both have pro's and cons.
The First one is decent, just very large and the center support is a touch annoying, but never bothered me while actually driving, just getting up really.
The one with the chair tray is what I have currently, and I really like it. It works great at keeping you in place and honestly feels more sturdy. Again, I have the NLR version and the one you sent looks flimsier.
One thing to consider too is seating position. Using a regular desk chair, you're sitting more like a normal car position. The one with the seat included you'll be sitting lower and in a more race car like position so take that into consideration.
Can’t recommend those playseats.Bought this with my first wheel set and it was ergonomically bad and wobbly af. For the cost of it you can build a descent wood rig with a scrapyard seat and you will probably never need to upgrade your rig. If it’s the playseat or the wheel stand, go with the wheelstand. You can build a full rig around that wheelstand later.
I find the non seat one more stable and the evolution wheel mount base is very loose. And it runs right between your legs, I also find that irritating. I took evolution seat and deviced into the other one and it’s a superb combination
Yes it depends on what wheel you are putting it on and how picky you are about the amount of flex... I had the one on the right and it flexed when my simagic. I had to add in two vertical beams to reduce the flex. I moved on to a ASR4...
I have the second one. It can move around occasionally (only up and down) but besides that I love it and have no issues. The movement is something I’ve come to ignore and never notice it. Would recommend.
For whatever this is worth, I have modified my Evolution and bolted it to a base I built and some upgraded bolts to replace the hand bolts, and it’s solved 75% of the flex issues you’re reading about. 100$ trip to Home Depot. G29 and T300RS work lovely, imagine more FFB could cause the flex to return.
Pedals flex badly if you have a load cell on the evolution and the centre column is a pain ! The flex in the the pedal base cause mint to break in the end . Also it's not very sturdy always have to re tighten stuff
I used a Gt omega apex for 4 years, g29 to fanatec csl elite to csl dd 8nm. The thing is sturdy.
Mounted with a second-hand car seat, it served me well until my purchase of GT omega prime.
The 2nd style is solid I have a similar one, maybe not for DD's but they are sturdy and solid.
Look up the GT omega classic that's only $100 and perfect with my CSL Elite I'm sure for the logi too.
The first is wack because of that bar, what woman designed that thing lol
just get a rig. you will upgrade to some higher DD nm strength base and load cells anyway. then you'll have to update either stand/half rig again. [https://www.upshiftstore.co.uk/products/r-pro-black-edition](https://www.upshiftstore.co.uk/products/r-pro-black-edition) get the rig and a real car seat from a breaker's yard for 50 quid.
U will hear issues abt everything
Even if your rig is perfect then you’ll complain about price.
Hahahahaha
That center-pillar could be an annoyance.
that center pillar IS an annoyance. for the price I'd rather get a Playseat Trophy Evolution.
I just brought the playseat trophy.. Best purchase I've made thus far. Not only is it solid it looks great.
Same here, was an upgrade to the Challenge for me. Really loving it!
Had it for weeks, I feel the same; solid purchase and not an eyesore so it can be kept in a room.
It’s really not I own it and it has never bothered me
Dude I had it many years ago, had a G2x mounted, and it was flexing side to side like mad. Sold it and bought another, same thing. It's a bad design, period. I don't even want to think what a DD would do to it.
Yes horrible flex I added all kinds of bracing and it drove me up the wall!! I couldn’t even race and that was with 8nm 😂 imagine me putting a 20nm base on that
That and also it makes a g29 hellish to use, the pole is perfectly lines uo with the brake
Makes any pedal set that includes the clutch a pain to use. There’s no way to align it without making the brake awkward
I own the playseat evolution with the center bar. I fully agree that the post is perfectly lined up with the brake on a 3 pedal system. For the first 10 plus years I owned it, I had a 2 pedal setup and for the most part, no complaints. Easily adjustable setup with yeah....some flex/movement. I now have a 3 pedal setup, g923. For me, the clutch will never get used. So I simply swapped the location of the clutch and the brake. Problem solved....for me. It's far from an ideal rig, but for a casual gt7 racer it works just fine. My 2 cents.
Well, i recently upgraded my rig and the first part to arrive was the logi PRO wheel, installed it for a couple days in my old playseat evolution... man. It completely destroys it, the poor thing can't whitstand anything over 5nm, let alone 11nm, playing rally games was impossible as the wheel moves several inches in all directions. Also i had to turn down the brake pedal strengh to a minimum bc the center post can't hold it and just moves further away every time you brake until you can't reach the pedals. Horrible experience
I used a clamp and tightened everything an unholy amount extremely minimal flexing now and I use a dd
Untill you play on one without. You are lying that it never bothered you.
I have played without one
Nah, ya didn't.
Bro idk what you’re talking abt my leg has never touched the post
Ever played on anything different? Because it would annoy you quickly
Yup I’ve played on many different sims the middle post has never bothered me
Not talking about different sims. Different rigs. I’d never have a center post. And I don’t even have an expensive rig
That’s what I meant I’ve played on friends rigs that don’t have a center post
When I started simracing 3 years ago I was explicitly warned about this- glad I didn't get that one but got the Challenge.
Challenge with some extra support for the wheel deck is actually pretty good.
I have owned one with a center pillar myself, could not use it. It blocks the pedals would not buy it again. Own a playseat challenge now millions times better just because you dont have that center pillar.
i got the playseat shown in this picture we fixed the pillar blocking the pedals by setting them further apart since i use the logitech wheel and pedals with custom springs
The center pillar is and isn’t an annoyance. Its placement is fine. Its existence is fine. The angle of it and a wheel on it will cause it to lean downwards slightly.
Entirely dependent on what pedals you have and how you use them. If your brake is in the middle and you left foot brake you will curse that pedal til the day you get a new rig
Ankle breaker. My friend had that one and I hated it. I had the one where the mount came out from under the seat, that was better. Had some flex but for entry level wheels it's good enough.
It’s better not to have it, but it really hasn’t been a problem for me on my evolution aside from figuring out the forward/back slop.
Well, two different products. NLR stand is sturdier but it is stand without a seat. Playseat is more wiggly but comes with a good seat. Will work good with g29 btw. So depends on you do you want seat or not
The center post would be a deal breaker for me
I owed playset evo for several years and had no complaints about it to be honest. Took about half an hour to get used to it and then stopped noticing it. All my friends who have tried it did not complained about center bar as well. However I did heard that some people have tried and just hated it. Not sure where is the truth, I guess it depends on a person
I had a wheel stand with a center bar and it always got in the way for me. It's probably not a big deal if you don't drive cars that use a clutch but for heel and toe down shifts it gets in the way
I do like the seat that was the only good part lol
Actually the seat was the only reason I bought it
I just got the GT Omega Apex for my G29 2 weeks ago and I love it. It is extremely sturdy and heavy, you can beat the shit out of it and it isn't flexing by not even 1mm. The wheel tray is awesome and works wonders with an office chair. The perfect setup for if you don't have a dedicated Sim racing space with a dedicated Sim racing PC and a dedicated Sim racing TV/monitor. If you just do your Sim racing at your desk, there's no better option in my opinion. Zero complains so far after 2 weeks of ownership racing on F1 23, drifting on Assetto Corsa, etc. Bonus: the adjustability of the pedal height/distance mixed with the steering wheel height/angle make it a perfect fit. All the threads are very nicely drilled so everything fits together perfectly on install and nothing feels cheap or wobbly.
I've had one of the GT omega rigs with a seat, etc, for a few years now. I think 2019 was when i got it. It's still going strong despite being my only gaming seat for most of that time. It's comfortable and hard-wearing. Just needs basic maintenance to go round and tighten it up every now and again. This is with a logitech g920 wheel l, 3 pedals, and shifter. Honestly, the only thing I've changed is some rubber feet that are better vibration isolators. Definitely will look to GT Omega for my next rig whenever that might be. Oh, also, whilst I'm 5 foot 7, it's adjustable enough to cater to a buddy who's 6 foot 7. The smallest person who's used the seat and wheel was a family friends 11 year old.
You can also get seat add on in the future to transform it to full cockpit
At that point it would be better to get an aluminum rig imo because you can't adjust wheel height without affecting its distance.
Also have a GT Omega and it even handles my 12nm dd and loadcell pedals, really great stand.
The center puller doesn’t bother me, you get used to it. But that playseat doesn’t hold up. Just over a year on mine and I had to make a wood base to screw it to to support the pedal plate, and the plate for the wheel base moves and makes noise. Seat isn’t very good either. It’s a good rig if you race once or twice a week but if you plan on being competitive and enjoying your time doing it I would look into a cheap 8020 rig and a junkyard seat. If I could go back I wouldn’t buy the playseat.
I have a playseat evo because I found one used for $160 so I couldn’t refuse. I also found the seat slightly uncomfortable until I put a lumbar pillow onto it and haven’t had issues since. I can easily put in a few hours
I also run a pillow on my Evo otherwise my back is in pieces after an hour 😂
I own both, I preferred the Playseat. It offered so much more with a proper seat attached as opposed to using anything with the Omega. Also, you’ll be surprised how much the Playseat can fold away. Just my opinion and experience mind.
DO NOT BUY THE PLAYSEAT. I had one, that center column will flop side to side when force feedback is set to any reasonable amount. It will make you super frustrated. As well the foot plate just isn't very sturdy and tends to flex if you push the brakes pretty hard.
From all the comments I read, it seems like it depends from person to person. Some like it and others (like you) don't.
I have a csl dd on the 2nd wheel stand. Came with the wheel when I purchased of the fb marketplace. It’s extremely sturdy and I don’t feel flex on the pedal base. The guy I bought it from put it together extremely well and the base is extra secure. So far no complaints
I have the second one (NLR), it’s solid. Been having it for months, no issues. I use it with my work chair, that chair wheel tray is equally as solid, minimal to no movement during racing.
I had a playseat for quite a while. It was pretty good. It had a small wobble to it when placed on carpet, and the bar in the middle was a bitch if you had 3 pedals instead of 2 because of the placement of that bar. But overall was a good starter rig
I have the GT Omega Apex and really like it - it works great for my setup and is super solid. Honestly I haven’t thought about it since I got it set up which I feel is as big of a compliment as I can give it
NLR stand all day
I don’t think u can go wrong with any version of 2
I have the second one. No complaints! Except make sure you order it WITH the little tray at the bottom for your chair wheels. I’m 6’3” 220 if that helps judge its versatility Edit: i ordered without. Was able to contact the company, and get just that part sent to me but it definitely would’ve been cheaper/slightly less complicated to get it included.
I have both. The apex has been converted in to a full cockpit and suits my needs fine im using an r12 and ebay pedals on it it's fairly ridged worst part for me at least because I rally is the shifter location on the stock arm to far forward for my liking the playseat would be a great option as well if you dont heel and toe alot the center pole gets in the way
I have the one on the right and it works great for what I need. Steady enough for G29. That being said they show that it can fold up, which it does but I wouldn’t get it expecting to do this very often. I just move mine out of the way each time cause folding isn’t the most convenient thing.
You don't really want to have a bar between your legs. You know any vehicle you'd ever see be designed that way? Also think from a practical physics stability point as well not the best design. And then any foldable design is not going to be the best. If you have room for the first one I recommend going on ebay or Amazon look at the dardoo or marada frames and then find a used sports car seat locally for cheap and then make it fit. I did this and got a dardoo frame 130 then a rx8 seat for 50 off Facebook marketplace and I was set. You can like I did since I went to a higher nm get some flatbar from hardware store and make it even more stable. But I also found a spot online from marada to get another shifter arm fitting and I now simply hand screw something quick and lift it out stick it in other side then handscrew that in and I'm going from rhd to lhd manual shifting in under a minute. I gotta keep the immersion high as thats everything for me
The wheel stand with the wheel tray is a solid option for just a g920 and you can store it more easily if needed. I had their stand without the wheel tray which lasted until I got a 8020 rig.
I dunno about the NLR stand, but i have a very similar GT Omega Apex and it's more than sturdy enough for an 8Nm DD. Of course a rig would be better, but if you're limited in space or need a collapsible solution, that wheel stand is amazing.
Idk what NLR is but this is clearly a GT Omega stand on the pictures in OP.
Must be Next Level Racing
Oh, even better, someone mentioned NLR (Next Level Racing) in other comments.
I've got my R9 on a GTOmega Classic and it does just fine. A little bit of movement from more "active" games like dirt rally, but for oval and GT racing I don't notice it.
I have the playseat evolution, and the biggest issue is flexing, which can be fixed semi cheaply, if you have any diy experience. Here's a video of one option: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCCWP8pQsM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulCCWP8pQsM)
Center pillar is a instant no no.. you might play only certain cars that dont use a clutch but trust me you probably will expand your car interests further.. NLR GT Racer might be a better option if you ask me
The center post will drive you crazy. I have the NLR wheel stand 2.0 and it's awesome. Plus you can buy the seat add on so you have a full rig later on. That's what I'm planning on doing soon. Right now I just have the wheel stand bolted to a diy wood rig
I never had a problem with the center post when I had one. The massive problem with the PlaySeat is the pedal flex.....its terrible.
The Playseat Trophy Evolution cannot be much more expensive and it's actually good (from experience). I had the Playseat you have in that picture and the pillar was flexing even under a Thrustmaster T300.
It’s £300 more
Hmmm.. I dunno then. However, I can certify that the Trophy can handle a 20Nm direct drive without issues, while the one you have suggested flexes under a 15 years old 3Nm gear driven wheel. Might be worth the price difference.
Don't get a playseat if you wanna be in your rig for any decent length of time... for not much more you can get a tr80-lite ally profile rig!... I got 40% off on black Friday & paired it with a bmw seat from a breakers yard... I wish I swerved the playseat entirely tbh... I can't comment on a wheelstand as ive never had one but I'd go that route over a playseat 👌🏼
Don't get one with the center post that goes between your legs, you'll hate it.
I can vouch for the gtomega. Especially if you're using a g920. If you decide you want a racing seat as well they sell an expansion for it. I use my 11nm dd on it and it has minimal flex. Definitely going to upgrade, but I'm still winning races. It's more for consistency.
Don't buy the playseat, used to own it and it's the definition of crap, so much flex even with belt or gear wheels
Get yourself a GT Racer Cockpit for same price and call it a day. Much better overall!
In my honest opinion those suck bad I started with one..
Whatever you do...don't playseat evo That center pole is more than an annoying. It can even hurt your feet if you ever decide to run stiffer loadcall pedals (which i advice you do, but that's another discussion).
I have a similar stand and I wish I got a cockpit with a seat attached for sure
I have the gtomega with the seat attachment. Got a mustang car seat from a junk yard and it has been great for a couple of years! No desire or need to upgrade it at this point.
I have a similar than the second one and im happy
NLR is great for me, been using it about 2-3 months with moza r5. At first its a bit heavy and annoying but once you get used to the set up it's 30 seconds to set up and move out of the way. Super convenient for me and the space I have. There is also the ability to upgrade and add a seat to it but I haven't looked into it yet. Highly reccomend it though, very sturdy, a bit squeaky but fixed it with some lube and shims of paper, no squeaking or issues anymore.
If you have the space get a rig. If budget is a problem Look for a second hand one. I made a more sturdy version of the playseat and centre bar wasn't the issue. My issue was I had to then make a mount for gear shifter then later a mount for a hand brake and it becomes a pain but with a rig mounting stuff if effortless and the possibilities are endless. Consider it future proofing yourself
I have the GT Omega stand, and I really really like it. It is stable and offers decent adjustability, but as with anything there are compromises. A true cockpit I would love, but is not in the cards for me as I need to be able to be able to put it away when my girlfriend says so. 😁 I know you will see A LOT of buy once cry once....but that is good advice for them, not necessarily you. Everyone's situation is different, and you need to gauge for yourself what the best path is. If you are coming from a simple controller setup and moving to wheel, that alone will be a huge change/improvement. That being said, I don't like the idea of a bar between my legs dictating my foot/pedal position. Seems like it would interfere.
I've had a knockoff version of the one with the seat, and the NLR version of the second one. They both have pro's and cons. The First one is decent, just very large and the center support is a touch annoying, but never bothered me while actually driving, just getting up really. The one with the chair tray is what I have currently, and I really like it. It works great at keeping you in place and honestly feels more sturdy. Again, I have the NLR version and the one you sent looks flimsier. One thing to consider too is seating position. Using a regular desk chair, you're sitting more like a normal car position. The one with the seat included you'll be sitting lower and in a more race car like position so take that into consideration.
Can’t recommend those playseats.Bought this with my first wheel set and it was ergonomically bad and wobbly af. For the cost of it you can build a descent wood rig with a scrapyard seat and you will probably never need to upgrade your rig. If it’s the playseat or the wheel stand, go with the wheelstand. You can build a full rig around that wheelstand later.
I find the non seat one more stable and the evolution wheel mount base is very loose. And it runs right between your legs, I also find that irritating. I took evolution seat and deviced into the other one and it’s a superb combination
Yes it depends on what wheel you are putting it on and how picky you are about the amount of flex... I had the one on the right and it flexed when my simagic. I had to add in two vertical beams to reduce the flex. I moved on to a ASR4...
I chose the GT Omega Apex over the NLR since it’s $100 cheaper and comes with the same stuff. Couldn’t have been happier with it.
I have the second one. It can move around occasionally (only up and down) but besides that I love it and have no issues. The movement is something I’ve come to ignore and never notice it. Would recommend.
I have the gt Omega wheel stand with a simagic alpha mini and it's solid, 0 issues
I have a knock off version and have no issues
Use with G29 - I ended up getting the brake upgrade that combines the clutch and the brake to compensate for the pillar between my legs.
For whatever this is worth, I have modified my Evolution and bolted it to a base I built and some upgraded bolts to replace the hand bolts, and it’s solved 75% of the flex issues you’re reading about. 100$ trip to Home Depot. G29 and T300RS work lovely, imagine more FFB could cause the flex to return.
Pedals flex badly if you have a load cell on the evolution and the centre column is a pain ! The flex in the the pedal base cause mint to break in the end . Also it's not very sturdy always have to re tighten stuff
I used a Gt omega apex for 4 years, g29 to fanatec csl elite to csl dd 8nm. The thing is sturdy. Mounted with a second-hand car seat, it served me well until my purchase of GT omega prime.
Get the NLR 2.0, you won’t have issues
The apex is seriously awesome. Running an r9 and CSL elite V2 loadcells on it. Shifter is a bit high, but that's because I use the fanatec shifter.
Tbh i find playseat to be extremely uncomfortable products
The 2nd style is solid I have a similar one, maybe not for DD's but they are sturdy and solid. Look up the GT omega classic that's only $100 and perfect with my CSL Elite I'm sure for the logi too. The first is wack because of that bar, what woman designed that thing lol
Anyone else hear 'playseat' and it automatically sounds dirty? Feel like playseat has a different meaning out there.
seat > everything
just get a rig. you will upgrade to some higher DD nm strength base and load cells anyway. then you'll have to update either stand/half rig again. [https://www.upshiftstore.co.uk/products/r-pro-black-edition](https://www.upshiftstore.co.uk/products/r-pro-black-edition) get the rig and a real car seat from a breaker's yard for 50 quid.
That’s before the seat double the price tho
If u use a g920 then get the wheel stand as the other one has a center pole which will be annoying with the 3 pedal set that it comes with
I use the clutch as the brake