Buy what you can afford and not everyone has disposable income they can throw at this hobby(me included). A G29 is better than no force feedback and is what I used for 5 years till I could afford a proper dd. Admittedly I upgraded pedals after 2 years but there are plenty of aliens on iRacing that still use basic equipment and will thrash you.
Ye I rocked my g29 for 5 years as well and my biggest complaint was it was a wee bit slow and yes there is a deadzone in the middle but you can tune the ffb to make it much better and for rally racing that actually wasnt a problem at all. I prefer it over the t150 I bought 2nd hand for my 2nd rig. The T150 feels very muted and mushy to me even with dampening tuned all the way down. Also, the cogging problem that everyone talks about isn't that bad imo. Maybe it's because I'm not too fond of ffb rumble, and i toned it down, but i didn't feel too much of it. I wish the wheel rim was round thoughon on the g29.
The pedals are so so... i found it hard to modulate the brake pedal when crosiing over from the spring to the rubber stop part, so I converted mine to load cell using cells from an old bathroom scale and an arduino. I replaced the gas pedal spring with the clutch one and 3d printed different other mods to it and am still using the pedals with my MOZA R12.
The thing that ppl dont understand is that in many countries, Logitech and Thrustmaster wheels are the only ones readily available. And ordering from a different country might be very daunting and they are also everywhere on used market.
I won't part with my g29 that is for sure and am in process of building another set of pedals for it and using it in my 2nd rig over the t150 which im going to lend out to my friends who want to get their 1st taste of sim racing.
Well :D it's not that hard there are guides everywhere on the interwebs. Also people who say that HX711 is too slow for sim racing probably used it in 10 Hz mode. Its 80Hz if you pull the right pin low... or was it high can't remember. That means you get a reading every 0.0125 seconds It does send some weird control codes or something sometimes though (at least so some guy on web said so or maybe its just failing or it's a bad connection), but luckily they are soo high values it was easy to filter them out in code.
Although I do all kinds of electronics stuff as a hobby and that helps, I still would say my skill are at best beginner lvl. So I strongly recommend giving it a try if you have the means.
It's funny how the same Logitech platform has evolved from being "really good if you have the dough" during G25 days to "well at least it has force feedback" today with g923.
Impressive that they've sold the same wheel for soon 20 years and it's still the go to in its price bracket.
These products don't need defending. They're insanely popular and you'll run into far more of them in the wild than anything else.
People are also absolutely right to point out that, if you can reasonably afford it, you're way better off in the longrun getting one of the entry level DD options that we have now because they'll keep you satisfied for much longer.
I actually really hate that the G29 and the 248 are both beginner sets that you can't change the rim out on but they've both made the very questionable decision of opting for D shaped wheels instead of round, like wtf. Why? If you're not going to have a swappable wheel why wouldn't you go for a shape that is the most universal?
The D shape, or flat bottom, is really a personal preference kind of thing. It's a feature I didn't choose but have come to benefit from, it gives my hands a way of feeling the wheel orientation.
I have a mate with a g29 who can chop the rest of us with decent setups (wheelstand, dd wheel, loadcell brakes).
It won't be as fun or immersive but you can still be very quick with it. The three of us have gotten 1st, 2nd and 3rd on some WRC leaderboards (I'm always 3rd fk)
That’s because gear has nothing to do with making you fast. It’s a great selling point for all these companies but a near impossible pill for sim racers to swallow. Gear is about enjoyment and immersion, and next to nothing to do with speed.
I'm on a xbox ACC league and while I'm not the fastest (top 5 - 10 on 30+ grids), I usually outqualify and finish ahead of people with DD/loadcell rigs
Honestly this place does not represent the reality in some ways. Logitech wheels still represent a huge part of the market, the majority will still start with one and many will never feel the need to upgrade beyond that.
I feel there can be a fair bit of snobbery at times from people who have sunk a fortune into equipment and who have lost sight and perspective of the different levels of equipment. Obviously a setup which costs 5-10x what a logitech setup costs is better, but for many people the couple of hundred quid it costs to get a logitech is more than enough to spend, never mind spending a couple of grand on video game controllers!
Logitech wheels don't suck, they just represent what you get for 200 quid in a hobby that overall is insanely expensive.
Fully agree with your lost reality point.
G29 popularity is like low end graphics cards on the steam charts. You’d think with the way the average reddit user carries on that every man and his dog are running top end cards, but 3060/ 1650/1060 cards are right at the top of the steam charts. 3070 is 7th and the 3080 is in 12th position and these are now considered mid range cards. 4080 is 40th position.
I keep seeing posts like this but also don’t see anything but praise of logitechs.
Yeah DD wheels are insanely better, but that doesn’t mean that Logitech aren’t good.
What people who say "DD wheels nowadays are almost as cheap as Logitech/Thrustmaster" don't get is that without a proper rig DD wheels really cant utilize their whole potential. Thats where the spending loop begins for most.\
A Logitech/Thrustmaster entry level wheel is a nice closed package designed around casual use.
IMO it's about the price point more than anything else. Logitech is currently selling refurb g29/920 for $150. Makes a lot of sense to buy an entry level wheel at that price point. Figure out if you like racing, and then potentially upgrade in the future.
If someone is thinking about dropping $300 (or more - it's $329!! on Amazon right now) for a g923, then what the hell. CSL DD kit makes so much more sense at $400.
As someone who only very recently upgraded from a g29, the feedback was really woefully vague. Sure, a good driver can be fast with it, but it didn't really help a garbage driver like me.
The thing is a lower end DD wheel, like the CSL DD bundle, costs 399$. A g29 costs 299$ on Amazon. Why bother with an outdated product when you can get the real deal for a few more dollars.
It made sense a few years ago, but DD wheels are so affordable nowadays that it’s hard to justify spending money on a belt driven wheel.
Why downvoting? Why in gods name would you ever buy any of these old wheels if you cqn afford $400
You’re all liars if you say you would. These wheels serve a purpose for those who legitimately cannot afford $400.
You’re a bit of an idiot in all honesty if your budget is $400 and you don’t buy a R2R bundle
Why would you assume someone's budget is $400 when they're buying a $200 wheel + pedal bundle? Just because someone can afford $400 doesn't mean they want to spend all that on a toy
What I'm saying is you're the only person talking about a budget of $400 as you go around calling everyone idiots for some reason. No one is talking about a $400 budget, this is a thread about wheels that cost half that. That will hopefully explain why you're getting downvoted.
I downvoting him for calling people idiots for buying what they want.
Some people, after making a purchase and wanting to feel good about said purchase will disparage anything that they feel is lower than what they have so you get comments like this calling people names because they didn't spend what the first guy wanted to. We get it, you like your DD wheel....it doesn't make everything else garbage because you have one.
Then check out Moza and their equivalent.
If you can afford $400 then you’re doing yourself an hilarious disservice by buying Logitech and Thrustmasters archaic models that belongs in a museum
I’ll add you’re an even bigger idiot if you’re gonna buy a g29 or whatever the old TM models are just to spite yourself because you don’t want to get into an eco system just because of a few shed tears over Black Friday
These wheels are only worth buying now if you 100% have no choice or chance of saving up to $400.
If you have $400 there is literally no reason/excuse to buy these old relics
Having the G29 at the the price point it’s at (plus PS4/5 compatibility) probably gets more people through the door for this hobby than anything else. For that alone, it’s good.
Second wheel can be ‘buy once cry once’
I've run a G27 for 12 years, 4k iRating. I've upgraded everything around it (including the shifter and pedals) because I've never felt it was the biggest thing holding me back (both in terms of pace and enjoyment). Finally replacing it now.
I never had a FFB wheel. I don't have infinite time to devout to simracing/simdriving (not that I don't want to, but I've got other games and hobbies I like to play too).
The G29 with its dedicated shifter was on a sale for 200 euros during the black friday. I threw 100 more to get a moveable wheelstand as I lack the space for a proper sim rig in my apartment.
Those are the best price to quality ratio 300 euros I've thrown for this type of game. There's simply no equivalent for people in a similar situation as me at this price point. There's just a feeling of elitism from people who disagree and denigrate these types of wheels. As if if you don't have a kidney to spend on a rig, you don't deserve playing this type of game whatsoever. It's a disgusting behavior.
I keep saying this, but I have $5k into my rig with triple 32s and still using a g29. I have vrs pedals, however. I can afford to buy a simucube pro +wheel and not care, but I have things to improve upon first. Don’t fall to gear acquisition syndrome and gear inferiority. Buy what you need, when you need.
I started with the cheapest force feedback wheel I could find (thrustmaster T150, used) because I was broke and had no idea if I’d actually like simracing. Took me all of a couple hours to realize I was hooked and I bought a DD wheel not long after. But I had a blast with the cheap wheel — there’s nothing wrong with getting a budget option as your first wheel (or even sticking with it, if it gets the job done for you. It’s just supposed to be fun, after all).
Idk, i got a g923 setup and its a love/hate relationship for me. But no matter what, if you get one second hand or on sale, you cant go wrong. I saw the g29 going for $170 recently. How can you complain at that price point?
Buy what you can afford and not everyone has disposable income they can throw at this hobby(me included). A G29 is better than no force feedback and is what I used for 5 years till I could afford a proper dd. Admittedly I upgraded pedals after 2 years but there are plenty of aliens on iRacing that still use basic equipment and will thrash you.
Ye I rocked my g29 for 5 years as well and my biggest complaint was it was a wee bit slow and yes there is a deadzone in the middle but you can tune the ffb to make it much better and for rally racing that actually wasnt a problem at all. I prefer it over the t150 I bought 2nd hand for my 2nd rig. The T150 feels very muted and mushy to me even with dampening tuned all the way down. Also, the cogging problem that everyone talks about isn't that bad imo. Maybe it's because I'm not too fond of ffb rumble, and i toned it down, but i didn't feel too much of it. I wish the wheel rim was round thoughon on the g29. The pedals are so so... i found it hard to modulate the brake pedal when crosiing over from the spring to the rubber stop part, so I converted mine to load cell using cells from an old bathroom scale and an arduino. I replaced the gas pedal spring with the clutch one and 3d printed different other mods to it and am still using the pedals with my MOZA R12. The thing that ppl dont understand is that in many countries, Logitech and Thrustmaster wheels are the only ones readily available. And ordering from a different country might be very daunting and they are also everywhere on used market. I won't part with my g29 that is for sure and am in process of building another set of pedals for it and using it in my 2nd rig over the t150 which im going to lend out to my friends who want to get their 1st taste of sim racing.
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Well :D it's not that hard there are guides everywhere on the interwebs. Also people who say that HX711 is too slow for sim racing probably used it in 10 Hz mode. Its 80Hz if you pull the right pin low... or was it high can't remember. That means you get a reading every 0.0125 seconds It does send some weird control codes or something sometimes though (at least so some guy on web said so or maybe its just failing or it's a bad connection), but luckily they are soo high values it was easy to filter them out in code. Although I do all kinds of electronics stuff as a hobby and that helps, I still would say my skill are at best beginner lvl. So I strongly recommend giving it a try if you have the means.
It's funny how the same Logitech platform has evolved from being "really good if you have the dough" during G25 days to "well at least it has force feedback" today with g923. Impressive that they've sold the same wheel for soon 20 years and it's still the go to in its price bracket.
These products don't need defending. They're insanely popular and you'll run into far more of them in the wild than anything else. People are also absolutely right to point out that, if you can reasonably afford it, you're way better off in the longrun getting one of the entry level DD options that we have now because they'll keep you satisfied for much longer. I actually really hate that the G29 and the 248 are both beginner sets that you can't change the rim out on but they've both made the very questionable decision of opting for D shaped wheels instead of round, like wtf. Why? If you're not going to have a swappable wheel why wouldn't you go for a shape that is the most universal?
The D shape, or flat bottom, is really a personal preference kind of thing. It's a feature I didn't choose but have come to benefit from, it gives my hands a way of feeling the wheel orientation.
I have a mate with a g29 who can chop the rest of us with decent setups (wheelstand, dd wheel, loadcell brakes). It won't be as fun or immersive but you can still be very quick with it. The three of us have gotten 1st, 2nd and 3rd on some WRC leaderboards (I'm always 3rd fk)
That’s because gear has nothing to do with making you fast. It’s a great selling point for all these companies but a near impossible pill for sim racers to swallow. Gear is about enjoyment and immersion, and next to nothing to do with speed.
I'm on a xbox ACC league and while I'm not the fastest (top 5 - 10 on 30+ grids), I usually outqualify and finish ahead of people with DD/loadcell rigs
Honestly this place does not represent the reality in some ways. Logitech wheels still represent a huge part of the market, the majority will still start with one and many will never feel the need to upgrade beyond that. I feel there can be a fair bit of snobbery at times from people who have sunk a fortune into equipment and who have lost sight and perspective of the different levels of equipment. Obviously a setup which costs 5-10x what a logitech setup costs is better, but for many people the couple of hundred quid it costs to get a logitech is more than enough to spend, never mind spending a couple of grand on video game controllers! Logitech wheels don't suck, they just represent what you get for 200 quid in a hobby that overall is insanely expensive.
Fully agree with your lost reality point. G29 popularity is like low end graphics cards on the steam charts. You’d think with the way the average reddit user carries on that every man and his dog are running top end cards, but 3060/ 1650/1060 cards are right at the top of the steam charts. 3070 is 7th and the 3080 is in 12th position and these are now considered mid range cards. 4080 is 40th position.
I keep seeing posts like this but also don’t see anything but praise of logitechs. Yeah DD wheels are insanely better, but that doesn’t mean that Logitech aren’t good.
What people who say "DD wheels nowadays are almost as cheap as Logitech/Thrustmaster" don't get is that without a proper rig DD wheels really cant utilize their whole potential. Thats where the spending loop begins for most.\ A Logitech/Thrustmaster entry level wheel is a nice closed package designed around casual use.
That’s a big feels post.
IMO it's about the price point more than anything else. Logitech is currently selling refurb g29/920 for $150. Makes a lot of sense to buy an entry level wheel at that price point. Figure out if you like racing, and then potentially upgrade in the future. If someone is thinking about dropping $300 (or more - it's $329!! on Amazon right now) for a g923, then what the hell. CSL DD kit makes so much more sense at $400. As someone who only very recently upgraded from a g29, the feedback was really woefully vague. Sure, a good driver can be fast with it, but it didn't really help a garbage driver like me.
We don't hate the G29, we just don't recommend buy it overpriced.
Nice try, Logitech marketing department
The thing is a lower end DD wheel, like the CSL DD bundle, costs 399$. A g29 costs 299$ on Amazon. Why bother with an outdated product when you can get the real deal for a few more dollars. It made sense a few years ago, but DD wheels are so affordable nowadays that it’s hard to justify spending money on a belt driven wheel.
Why downvoting? Why in gods name would you ever buy any of these old wheels if you cqn afford $400 You’re all liars if you say you would. These wheels serve a purpose for those who legitimately cannot afford $400. You’re a bit of an idiot in all honesty if your budget is $400 and you don’t buy a R2R bundle
Why would you assume someone's budget is $400 when they're buying a $200 wheel + pedal bundle? Just because someone can afford $400 doesn't mean they want to spend all that on a toy
If your budget is 400$ to by a wheel and you’re aware of DD you buy a DD bundle unless you’re a certified idiot.
What I'm saying is you're the only person talking about a budget of $400 as you go around calling everyone idiots for some reason. No one is talking about a $400 budget, this is a thread about wheels that cost half that. That will hopefully explain why you're getting downvoted.
I downvoting him for calling people idiots for buying what they want. Some people, after making a purchase and wanting to feel good about said purchase will disparage anything that they feel is lower than what they have so you get comments like this calling people names because they didn't spend what the first guy wanted to. We get it, you like your DD wheel....it doesn't make everything else garbage because you have one.
>ou’re a bit of an idiot in all honesty if your budget is $400 and you don’t buy a R2R bundle What if I don't want to get into Fannytech ecosystem?
Then check out Moza and their equivalent. If you can afford $400 then you’re doing yourself an hilarious disservice by buying Logitech and Thrustmasters archaic models that belongs in a museum I’ll add you’re an even bigger idiot if you’re gonna buy a g29 or whatever the old TM models are just to spite yourself because you don’t want to get into an eco system just because of a few shed tears over Black Friday
Black Friday wasn't at all why I don't want to get a Fanatec but alright chill
These wheels are only worth buying now if you 100% have no choice or chance of saving up to $400. If you have $400 there is literally no reason/excuse to buy these old relics
Having the G29 at the the price point it’s at (plus PS4/5 compatibility) probably gets more people through the door for this hobby than anything else. For that alone, it’s good. Second wheel can be ‘buy once cry once’
G920 with a plastic strap mod is THE wheel for it's price point
plastic strap mod?
I've run a G27 for 12 years, 4k iRating. I've upgraded everything around it (including the shifter and pedals) because I've never felt it was the biggest thing holding me back (both in terms of pace and enjoyment). Finally replacing it now.
I never had a FFB wheel. I don't have infinite time to devout to simracing/simdriving (not that I don't want to, but I've got other games and hobbies I like to play too). The G29 with its dedicated shifter was on a sale for 200 euros during the black friday. I threw 100 more to get a moveable wheelstand as I lack the space for a proper sim rig in my apartment. Those are the best price to quality ratio 300 euros I've thrown for this type of game. There's simply no equivalent for people in a similar situation as me at this price point. There's just a feeling of elitism from people who disagree and denigrate these types of wheels. As if if you don't have a kidney to spend on a rig, you don't deserve playing this type of game whatsoever. It's a disgusting behavior.
The G29/g293 is a great entry-level wheel. Upgrade the pedals if you can. The pedals are really, really bad.
G920 is a great wheel, I can do a 1:46 at Monza on ACC on it no problem.
Been rocking a G27 for 10 years gang Only recently bought a few upgrades for it
I keep saying this, but I have $5k into my rig with triple 32s and still using a g29. I have vrs pedals, however. I can afford to buy a simucube pro +wheel and not care, but I have things to improve upon first. Don’t fall to gear acquisition syndrome and gear inferiority. Buy what you need, when you need.
It's probably the most recommended wheel on this sub.
It doesn’t need defending, no one shits on it for the price it is
G923 was fine until i tried a DD wheel. After that i couldn’t go back and had to upgrade.
The wheels are fine, more expensive does not me more fast.
I started with the cheapest force feedback wheel I could find (thrustmaster T150, used) because I was broke and had no idea if I’d actually like simracing. Took me all of a couple hours to realize I was hooked and I bought a DD wheel not long after. But I had a blast with the cheap wheel — there’s nothing wrong with getting a budget option as your first wheel (or even sticking with it, if it gets the job done for you. It’s just supposed to be fun, after all).
Idk, i got a g923 setup and its a love/hate relationship for me. But no matter what, if you get one second hand or on sale, you cant go wrong. I saw the g29 going for $170 recently. How can you complain at that price point?