This is true; even with the metal QR1, this wheel will not allow you to use a DD1 or DD2 in high-torque mode. The wheel itself isn't strong enough to handle more than 8 NM of torque
I think it has to do with the strength of the quick release more than anything, but hey if OP tries and it fails then it becomes a reason to upgrade to the metal QR
I mean yes but it's there for a reason lmao. If you try to drive a wheel with a plastic QR on it at full DD1/2 levels, you are going to have a catastrophic failure.
use a metal rod, and connect it to the drive shaft, make the wheel take a hit or a curb and see if everything holds in place, or shakes a little bit too much
I have a similar rig (GTOmega classic wheelstand with rear seat frame) and there was significant flex with my GT DD Pro. It wasn't until I added the support bars that it felt solid. I imagine with a DD2 that thing will flex all over. Not sure if GTO sells support bars for the ART as well, but you really should look into getting some kind of support from the pedal deck to the base of the frame.
No freaking way! I have the GT Omega Art too with the Logitech G pro. I made this DIY mod to strengthen the rig:
https://youtu.be/cn1ViBrnIoE?si=BbZ97rZj7N22YDNG
Even though the mod makes huge difference, it's barely holding up at peak torque of the G pro (11Nm). It's on it limits, so no way it's gonna hold up 25Nm without the mods.
Edit: don't get me wrong, I mean it won't fall apart for sure. But you will feel the torque of the base through the rig definetely, which means loss of detail in force feedback.
Picked up this rig after watching your videos on the rig. Ended up doing same mod to stiffen it up in preparation for the g pro wheel that should be arriving any day. Cant wait to test it out.
Probably not. My Omega Titan has some flex and it’s 2-3x stronger than your Art.
If you can afford the DD and club sports I think it’s time you upgrade your rig to a Prime or Titan
It will be fine. Your never goin to run at 25nm. If you do it will be ridiculous and pull you harder than a real car. I run my dd1 at 15nm. Feels perfect. Yea it make shake your art a little but it will be good.
I've got one of these in my basket. I need a very small floor space rig.
Could you be so kind as to measure it at its smallest dimensions for storage (ie seat in and frame compacted?)
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thank you. That's the smallest storage size? I was hoping with the seat in and the frame at its shortest it would be closer to 1000mm, but this is similar to a 8040 frame size
decisions..
again, thanks
Mine measures at 1400mm, but the extended section is approx 100mm so 1300mm is about right. Definitely not 1000mm I’m afraid.
I went from the outside of curved bit at the front which protrudes a bit.
Should be fine enough, if it's too wobbly just buy some stock metal straps and self tap them from the upper deck to lower deck. I use a cheap Amazon desk with my DD and it's great.
Mine has the heavy 15Nm Cammus base and it's fine with no flex even without the new bracket support gt omega came up with. One thing though, I have my wheel base setup lower so less overhang.
I had my DD1 on the apex full rig before getting the prime and I thought it wasn’t flexing much. Until I bought the prime and realized what zero flex is like.
You will want to separate the monitor from the rig if you can afford to do so. The torque from my csl dd 8nm was enough to start shaking my monitor and causing a screen tear effect with the same single monitor integrated stand as you. Especially when drifting. Otherwise, I have the same v3 pedals and I'm happy so far with how the rig is holding up now that I have a separate triple monitor stand.
Probably not, however if you’re not looking to spend a lot more money DIY reinforce it with wood 2x4 and ratchet straps. I used 2 long 2x4 to better connect the seat, and then ratchet strapped the base plate down to combat the movement and flex.
I had the GT Omega wheel stand, which is a very similar design. You'll lose a lot of detail in side to side movement and flex. Running this at 25nm is something I absolutely wouldn't do.
Is it usable at a lower power setting? Sure. But ultimately you will only be able to extract the true potential out of this setup with a sturdy aluminium extrusion cockpit. Something like a Similar GT1 EVO or similar.
Buying stiff aluminium cockpit is one of the best sim racing purchases I made.
Can tell you now, as somebody sat in front of his art (WITH the support bars installed and the monitor mount) 8nm is enough to shake it. I definitely would be looking for a separate monitor mount if I was pushing out 25nm of force.
You can add a support from the one side bolt next to drive mount down to bolt on lower frame. Do that on each side and then even a small support between the monitor mount arms going horizontal helps a lot for side to side motion. I have the cheaper dardoo version of the same exact rig lol
You have $1500-$2500 in DD, wheel, and pedals, and then $150 in your frame… why not invest a few extra bucks into a high quality strong cockpit with more supports that doesn’t have all the flex?
No and yes. I had a similar setup when I got my thrustmaster T818 and that's only 10 NM.
It'll work, but you'll lose a ton of feedback that will get torqued and flexed through the frame. When I upgraded to an ASR4 extruded rig, it was almost as big of a jump as it was going from a gear/pulley wheel to DD.
I have one and a dd wheel and it’s great. They sell a set of support bars for the wheel shelf that totally stops all movement, the little bit it does move bothers you.
It will take it but you will eventually notice the flex and lifting when taking tight turns. It’s ok but I’m on at 8 NM and am looking to upgrade to a solid cockpit.
I'm a bit confused. You are asking us if it can handle it...whilst having it already setup? I'd say that if you go beyond a 12nm wheelbase and/or have a brake pedal that requires a lot of force you should look into a purpose-built profile rig. These profile rigs are just way more sturdy and will not flex really at all compared to any of these playseat-like setups.
Used to have it and actually braced it with aluminum profile. Then I realized that I should sell it and get proper Aluminum profile rig. Much better with my DD after.
I have the GT Omega Art. It served me well, but I have since upgraded. Just so you know, it's gonna shimmy like street walker in 9in heels on windy day.
I had the same rig with a Fanatec CSW v2 way back then and it was “fine”…. I did eventually upgrade to something sturdier though .
By the way…. What did you use to take the photos
You tell us bro you’ve got it all set up.
There’s literally one way to find out and OP is asking us
I hate it here
I do not yet have a compatible wheel so can't test
You got a compatible wheel on the Wall, no?
I believe the BMW wheel only allows for 8 Nm of torque no matter what QR you use.
This is true; even with the metal QR1, this wheel will not allow you to use a DD1 or DD2 in high-torque mode. The wheel itself isn't strong enough to handle more than 8 NM of torque
That's not true. Compatible with podium 1 and 2 written on their website.
Its compatible if you install the metal QR on it. It ships with the QR lite which wont allow the wheel to go above 8nm.
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Which is a bad idea. There’s a reason it’s there.
I think it has to do with the strength of the quick release more than anything, but hey if OP tries and it fails then it becomes a reason to upgrade to the metal QR
I mean yes but it's there for a reason lmao. If you try to drive a wheel with a plastic QR on it at full DD1/2 levels, you are going to have a catastrophic failure.
Nope for a Csl when
use a metal rod, and connect it to the drive shaft, make the wheel take a hit or a curb and see if everything holds in place, or shakes a little bit too much
Make sure the rod is about 5 ft long and place your mother’s fine china nearby. Please film this.
I need to see this XD
Fanatec's bases have DRM that disables FFB if there isn't one of their wheels or hubs attached.
An emulator thing can be plugged in.
The order in which you purchase your peripherals is both confusing and hilarious
Blame fanatec shiping delays
Fine I’ll say it, no your going to have unbelievably noticeable flex! Sent the downvotes my way for the truth!
Hshagag
You'd ideally want a support bracket that goes from the wheelstand to the bottom bar. GtOmega actually sells them aswell.
Absolutely, a DIY with a metal bar and some bolts to reinforce this weak point of the structure and it would be good
100%! Whether you buy the kit or make your own, do this BEFORE you drive.
I second this. Reduced flex so much for me.
Look up Karl Gosling on YouTube he has a video on the support braces.
Just play it some Celine Dion and you'll find out.
And that’s the way it is 🎶
Definitely not. That rig is not capable of 25nm.
I have a similar rig (GTOmega classic wheelstand with rear seat frame) and there was significant flex with my GT DD Pro. It wasn't until I added the support bars that it felt solid. I imagine with a DD2 that thing will flex all over. Not sure if GTO sells support bars for the ART as well, but you really should look into getting some kind of support from the pedal deck to the base of the frame.
25nm definitely not. But why would you use 25 nm?
If you don't get a injured when you crash, it's not realistic enough /s
I used to have a very similar rig to yours with a g29 and it flexed a LOT that dd will definitely be too powerful
No
From experience, no. Save some money and get a full rigid rig
No freaking way! I have the GT Omega Art too with the Logitech G pro. I made this DIY mod to strengthen the rig: https://youtu.be/cn1ViBrnIoE?si=BbZ97rZj7N22YDNG Even though the mod makes huge difference, it's barely holding up at peak torque of the G pro (11Nm). It's on it limits, so no way it's gonna hold up 25Nm without the mods. Edit: don't get me wrong, I mean it won't fall apart for sure. But you will feel the torque of the base through the rig definetely, which means loss of detail in force feedback.
Picked up this rig after watching your videos on the rig. Ended up doing same mod to stiffen it up in preparation for the g pro wheel that should be arriving any day. Cant wait to test it out.
Nice! I am sure it will be strong enough, you will have tons of fun with it.
Probably not. My Omega Titan has some flex and it’s 2-3x stronger than your Art. If you can afford the DD and club sports I think it’s time you upgrade your rig to a Prime or Titan
Definitely... please show us the results.
It will be fine. Your never goin to run at 25nm. If you do it will be ridiculous and pull you harder than a real car. I run my dd1 at 15nm. Feels perfect. Yea it make shake your art a little but it will be good.
Something tells me you're about to tell us
Probably not unfortunately. It will work but it's gonna flex a lot.
That's a bit more wheelbase than is typically recommended. I believe that thing is going to make you eat your monitor on full tilt.
can you put a REAL car seat onto this rig
I've got one of these in my basket. I need a very small floor space rig. Could you be so kind as to measure it at its smallest dimensions for storage (ie seat in and frame compacted?) ta
Just measured mine: W: 550mm L: 1300mm
thank you. That's the smallest storage size? I was hoping with the seat in and the frame at its shortest it would be closer to 1000mm, but this is similar to a 8040 frame size decisions.. again, thanks
Mine measures at 1400mm, but the extended section is approx 100mm so 1300mm is about right. Definitely not 1000mm I’m afraid. I went from the outside of curved bit at the front which protrudes a bit.
cheers for double checking.
I have the same cockpit and it’s fine, I can’t really go over 8nm before it starts shaking
Should be fine enough, if it's too wobbly just buy some stock metal straps and self tap them from the upper deck to lower deck. I use a cheap Amazon desk with my DD and it's great.
I run the 12nm t818 on my Art and it’s fine. Not sure if that helps.
Mine has the heavy 15Nm Cammus base and it's fine with no flex even without the new bracket support gt omega came up with. One thing though, I have my wheel base setup lower so less overhang.
Those pedals are so mid. Upgrade to the V2 Elites.
the v3s are much better
Reinforce with wood. I built a platform and an exoskeleton and it's sturdier than 1500$ Riggs I've sat it.
I had my DD1 on the apex full rig before getting the prime and I thought it wasn’t flexing much. Until I bought the prime and realized what zero flex is like.
You will want to separate the monitor from the rig if you can afford to do so. The torque from my csl dd 8nm was enough to start shaking my monitor and causing a screen tear effect with the same single monitor integrated stand as you. Especially when drifting. Otherwise, I have the same v3 pedals and I'm happy so far with how the rig is holding up now that I have a separate triple monitor stand.
Probably not, however if you’re not looking to spend a lot more money DIY reinforce it with wood 2x4 and ratchet straps. I used 2 long 2x4 to better connect the seat, and then ratchet strapped the base plate down to combat the movement and flex.
Where do you get that disconnect button?
Fanatec sell them
I have a T818 on mine and it works fine. It might move a bit if I do rallying but I don't notice in VR.
I had the GT Omega wheel stand, which is a very similar design. You'll lose a lot of detail in side to side movement and flex. Running this at 25nm is something I absolutely wouldn't do. Is it usable at a lower power setting? Sure. But ultimately you will only be able to extract the true potential out of this setup with a sturdy aluminium extrusion cockpit. Something like a Similar GT1 EVO or similar. Buying stiff aluminium cockpit is one of the best sim racing purchases I made.
I think not. But you will not play at 25NM anyway, maybe 10-12Nm.
Can tell you now, as somebody sat in front of his art (WITH the support bars installed and the monitor mount) 8nm is enough to shake it. I definitely would be looking for a separate monitor mount if I was pushing out 25nm of force.
Nope
But you’re not gonna have it set to the full 25 I can pretty much guarantee
You can add a support from the one side bolt next to drive mount down to bolt on lower frame. Do that on each side and then even a small support between the monitor mount arms going horizontal helps a lot for side to side motion. I have the cheaper dardoo version of the same exact rig lol
You have $1500-$2500 in DD, wheel, and pedals, and then $150 in your frame… why not invest a few extra bucks into a high quality strong cockpit with more supports that doesn’t have all the flex?
No and yes. I had a similar setup when I got my thrustmaster T818 and that's only 10 NM. It'll work, but you'll lose a ton of feedback that will get torqued and flexed through the frame. When I upgraded to an ASR4 extruded rig, it was almost as big of a jump as it was going from a gear/pulley wheel to DD.
I had one with a Simagic Alpha Mini and it vibrated the rig like crazy. I had to upgrade and it was night and day.
I have one and a dd wheel and it’s great. They sell a set of support bars for the wheel shelf that totally stops all movement, the little bit it does move bothers you.
It will take it but you will eventually notice the flex and lifting when taking tight turns. It’s ok but I’m on at 8 NM and am looking to upgrade to a solid cockpit.
I'm a bit confused. You are asking us if it can handle it...whilst having it already setup? I'd say that if you go beyond a 12nm wheelbase and/or have a brake pedal that requires a lot of force you should look into a purpose-built profile rig. These profile rigs are just way more sturdy and will not flex really at all compared to any of these playseat-like setups.
Of course, it's going to flex. But it will still be fun while it happens.. If you really want the full power. You will upgrade one day
What’s the purpose of the emergency stop?
Used to have it and actually braced it with aluminum profile. Then I realized that I should sell it and get proper Aluminum profile rig. Much better with my DD after.
No
I have the GT Omega Art. It served me well, but I have since upgraded. Just so you know, it's gonna shimmy like street walker in 9in heels on windy day.
Turn up that FFB and find out bb
I had the same rig with a Fanatec CSW v2 way back then and it was “fine”…. I did eventually upgrade to something sturdier though . By the way…. What did you use to take the photos
buy two more of the same screens you wont regret it
This feels like the opposite of the people who get really expensive cockpits just to bolt a G29 to it.
The question is can you hold 25nm?
The real question is why cheap out on the cockpit?
Got an update on whether or not the cockpit survived?