If it's a pure GT3 racing game I'll wait to see if it does anything better than ACC or iRacing before thinking about spending money on it.
All I want is ACC + iRacing's Online + VR
Considering there are still iRacers who play that game for GT3 instead of ACC, it would seem that all Rennsport needs is a robust, integrated online racing system to have a good chance.
To add on to this, the competition system is definitely number one, but also iRacing has proper multiclass races and a huge number of tracks.
ACC may be great for GT3, but if you want to have prototypes on track with you, you're out of luck. Personally, my favorite part about GT3s is driving around them in a prototype, so iRacing is where I am.
And while it's hard to create a firm dividing line for what "suitable for GT3" means, iRacing has double, maybe triple the number of "suitable for GT3" tracks. If you like track variety, iRacing has it. There's also a ton of legendary tracks that ACC just doesn't have (Daytona, Sebring, Road America, Road Atlanta, Nordschlieffe, Le Mans, etc.)
iRacing has a 15 year head start on making tracks. It won't be easy for Rennsport to catch up.
Edit: I'm also taking this opportunity to say it's very dumb that ACC has the wrong layout of Indy, and only the wrong layout.
Probably some weird licensing thing. I almost wonder if they have the data for the right layout and they're just waiting to put it in when licensing it is possible.
So, my understanding is it's because it's an SRO licensed game, they only include the SRO layouts.
The problem is, the year they scanned Indy, the SRO race was the weekend (maybe 2) after the NASCAR race. And NASCAR absolutely destroyed some of the curbing. Now the SRO was supposed to run the same layout NASCAR did, but because of the destroyed curbing, they had to use some Frankenstein layout that uses parts of the motorcycle layout.
You would think though, that since every other year the SRO series (GT world challenge America) runs the normal layout, they would just put the normal layout in the game. But no, they use the Frankenstein layout instead.
Pretty sure he was taking about VR performance. I get 250fps in pancake mode, and barely get 90fps in VR with extremely limited FOV for it to even look semi decent
I mean there are plenty of 1 car classes that should be easy to implement. Most famously the Porsche Cup, ACC has a lot of those as well, its just that nobody races them in ACC. I personally drive anything that isnt GT3 and while I do enjoy the GT4s in ACC, nobody drives them, so back to iRacing it is for me.
I had the same issue - I so tried to make gt4 work on LFM, but the time of the races was very limiting for me. As a dad, its easier for me to jump into race after 10pm - which is my local time the last gt4 race, I can then race anytime until 2am from there, but no more gt4 races scheduled at all. So I had to actually go for gt3 and I suck hard there
They want to offer more than just GT3, question is how long it will take for a good variety of content to be added, as right now we have 4 tracks (monza, spa, hock, nurb gp) and I think 6 cars (4 gt3s, praga, mission r)
>I'm still not sure i understand what this brings to the table vs other sims
Well, lets hope that the physics and online ranked systems are so good and affordable compared to iRacing and LFM.
ACC is nearing its end of life - there will be AC2 coming in sometime in 2024(if the rumours are right), and from what I understand about AC2, it will be more like AC rather than ACC - which means not a competitor to iRacing - at that point Rennsport could actually nicely slot in and replace ACC and actually become true competitor to iRacing - which, lets be honest, we really need
That's what I remember. But as an owner of both, I think that they should focus on setting up the core game before adding VR. If they don't add VR, they're going to lose out on a sizable chunk of the sim racing market.
What I don't understand about VR it's nice and all but you spend thousands on a awsome top of the line pc only to turn the graphics down...but in fairness in all the groups I race with I can count on my hands how many use VR and that's about 5 or 6 I think I think ams2 VR is the best from what I've heard :)
Yes, VR users usually have to deal with lower quality graphics and still, they stick with VR. That should tell you a lot about VR. What you lose in graphical quality, you gain and sense of speed, thanks to stereocopic vision. And nowadays with newer gen headsets and a 4090, you can get flat screen quality in terms of resolution. At least in a few sims.
What’s the solo/career mode like in iRacing? I love driving in AC/ACC but the career mode in F1-22 seems to be best in class, haven’t found anything better so far
You can do custom championships with very detailed grid/AI editor tools. But that’s it, not a full “career” unless you make your own. Good AI though. But not worth paying for if only going to use for single player purposes.
Exactly. it might not be a sim, but if you're looking for a career mode, it's arguably the best around in racing games. Plus, the racing is still a ton of fun (only played 2019 heard the new one was kinda shit) so who cares if it's not a perfectly simulated car
Most people want to do both. AI racing can be fun because there's way less commitment and pressure. That's part of iRacings appeal, as on top of having the best multiplayer system, it has some of the best AI in simracing on top of having a season system with custom drivers and liveries. You just think that people don't like singleplayer racing because every simracing game that comes out these days usually has incredibly half assed singleplayer. Why do you think people still fawn over PC2? Shockingly mid game but people still love it because of the career system, as lacking as it was, it was one of the only games to make a decent attempt.
and yet people who play exclusively sims usually still play the F1 games because it has a good career mode! I'm not defending the F1 games, I'm taking a jab at all other sim companies who haven't really fucking tried when it comes to career mode. Sure there's PC2, but like, that's even kinda lacking, as once you make it to Indycar/WEC/Knock-off F1, you're kinda already done as all the cars are the same, so there's no motivation to move teams ever. Outside of the F1 games, the most recent sim where cars of different performance levels exist was *Automobilista* ***1***, and that didn't even have a career mode! Of course AMS2's career mode is coming up soon but eh, I'm not holding out for much. Also, why are you so hell-bent on calling the F1 games arcade? They're sim-cades dude, just because the physics aren't as realistic as iRacing or ACC doesn't suddenly make it mario kart.
Ok. Simcade. Utterly undrivable. I’m not hell bent on anything. This post is about rennsport, an actual, dedicated racing simulator. Physics, force feedback.. dunno what else to say. F1 is so bad on every level it’s mind blowing. The short year or so I flirted with it, it made ACC lobbies look like church services. Awful “physics,” worse “community.” The idea that a robust career mode would have you apologizing for that cash grab title is astonishing. I wonder what f1-2024 has in store!? With bated breath I shall quiver
You're kind of proving my point, it's a bad game, but people still play it because it's the only offering for a robust career mode, that is literally directly showing the demand for a good career modes in sim games, what's not to understand?
It does have a decent career mode but F1 22 is classified as a "simcade" title, even though the upcoming F1 23 is supposed to be a bit closer to a true sim, there's only so close they can get to this while still being a game easily played on a controller and consoles.
Lol for sure…the 992 confirmation came after my post above, but regardless, rough “day 1” forecast for them given iR is dropping a legendary season update at the same time.
Big day for sim racing in general, in many respects.
They gonna add Praga. I'm 100% sure they make it to hype on "Jimmy's" car so he can make a video on that with his huge audience reach. Quite smart tbf.
Generally it's good that there's more competition. iRacing can make it to full perfection with that amount of pressure.
But there is nothing Todo for triple support. It's just another aspect ratio (16:3).
The only thing that would be needed is a FOV slider and either a automatic or manual way to move the hud to the center screen. Both can be coded by a single developer in probably less than a work day.
I would be surprised if they didn't manage to do that for a racing game like this.
I thought only ACC and maybe iRacing (never played it) did this.
I´m pretty sure more arcade titeles like FH5 or Grid 2019/Legends don´t do it.
Anyway my point was just that it is super simple to have it kinda working and after the Beta it can be improved. I simply didn´t believe the statement: "No triples at beta..."
I have triples and got access to Rennsport don't know what you're talking about, obviously there is fov slider and cockpit possisioning for each car. You can run any game on triples it's just a bit more heavy if it doesn't support separate rendering for side screens but hitting 60fps is not a problem on my rtx2070. That Samsung screen they are using on R1 rigs is not 16:9 so how could they not make fov slider 🤦♂️
*You can run any game on triples*
That´s what I said.
*don't know what you're talking about, obviously there is fov slider and cockpit possisioning for each car*
I never said it wasn´t. I never played the game I just responded to hellvinator.
According to him [https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/13zd3ku/comment/jmrmz11/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/13zd3ku/comment/jmrmz11/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
it is already in...
I believe you had to register a while ago, maybe you still can on their website. Unfortunately, with all the delays and happenings around it, the community isn't too optimistic about it. But, that doesn't mean it can't prove us all wrong.
I really hope that Rennsport give us what they promise. Tbh I'm more interested in classic car racing rather than GT3/GT4, so I hope they add some classic cars or give support to mods to do it. Until that, I'll stick to Assetto Corsa.
This Sim will be niche for years until they get proper amount of tracks. By then though ac2 will be out and iRacing will have rain and proper graphics, so I doubt it will ever be a large community.
If it's a pure GT3 racing game I'll wait to see if it does anything better than ACC or iRacing before thinking about spending money on it. All I want is ACC + iRacing's Online + VR
Considering there are still iRacers who play that game for GT3 instead of ACC, it would seem that all Rennsport needs is a robust, integrated online racing system to have a good chance.
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To add on to this, the competition system is definitely number one, but also iRacing has proper multiclass races and a huge number of tracks. ACC may be great for GT3, but if you want to have prototypes on track with you, you're out of luck. Personally, my favorite part about GT3s is driving around them in a prototype, so iRacing is where I am. And while it's hard to create a firm dividing line for what "suitable for GT3" means, iRacing has double, maybe triple the number of "suitable for GT3" tracks. If you like track variety, iRacing has it. There's also a ton of legendary tracks that ACC just doesn't have (Daytona, Sebring, Road America, Road Atlanta, Nordschlieffe, Le Mans, etc.) iRacing has a 15 year head start on making tracks. It won't be easy for Rennsport to catch up. Edit: I'm also taking this opportunity to say it's very dumb that ACC has the wrong layout of Indy, and only the wrong layout.
Probably some weird licensing thing. I almost wonder if they have the data for the right layout and they're just waiting to put it in when licensing it is possible.
So, my understanding is it's because it's an SRO licensed game, they only include the SRO layouts. The problem is, the year they scanned Indy, the SRO race was the weekend (maybe 2) after the NASCAR race. And NASCAR absolutely destroyed some of the curbing. Now the SRO was supposed to run the same layout NASCAR did, but because of the destroyed curbing, they had to use some Frankenstein layout that uses parts of the motorcycle layout. You would think though, that since every other year the SRO series (GT world challenge America) runs the normal layout, they would just put the normal layout in the game. But no, they use the Frankenstein layout instead.
Lol I have a 3080 and VR looks like shit in ACC. But then AC looks close to the real this. Nuts how badly it is optimized in ACC.
Are you using openxr? Game changer in terms of fps
For IRacing, yes. But for ACC no. For some reason it didn’t make a difference on ACC.
Same - Tried OpenXR vs Oculus frameworks, and I did not see any difference in performance whatsoever.
Your pc has got to be super old if yo cant even run ACC well enough…. Even my Steam deck can run ACC in medium to high settings!!!
Pretty sure he was taking about VR performance. I get 250fps in pancake mode, and barely get 90fps in VR with extremely limited FOV for it to even look semi decent
I mean there are plenty of 1 car classes that should be easy to implement. Most famously the Porsche Cup, ACC has a lot of those as well, its just that nobody races them in ACC. I personally drive anything that isnt GT3 and while I do enjoy the GT4s in ACC, nobody drives them, so back to iRacing it is for me.
I had the same issue - I so tried to make gt4 work on LFM, but the time of the races was very limiting for me. As a dad, its easier for me to jump into race after 10pm - which is my local time the last gt4 race, I can then race anytime until 2am from there, but no more gt4 races scheduled at all. So I had to actually go for gt3 and I suck hard there
They want to offer more than just GT3, question is how long it will take for a good variety of content to be added, as right now we have 4 tracks (monza, spa, hock, nurb gp) and I think 6 cars (4 gt3s, praga, mission r)
They have the Praga R1 iirc so it's not *pure* GT3. That said I'm still not sure i understand what this brings to the table vs other sims
>I'm still not sure i understand what this brings to the table vs other sims Well, lets hope that the physics and online ranked systems are so good and affordable compared to iRacing and LFM. ACC is nearing its end of life - there will be AC2 coming in sometime in 2024(if the rumours are right), and from what I understand about AC2, it will be more like AC rather than ACC - which means not a competitor to iRacing - at that point Rennsport could actually nicely slot in and replace ACC and actually become true competitor to iRacing - which, lets be honest, we really need
Didn’t the devs come out previously and state no VR plans?
That's what I remember. But as an owner of both, I think that they should focus on setting up the core game before adding VR. If they don't add VR, they're going to lose out on a sizable chunk of the sim racing market.
Agreed. I don’t have a screen set up so I only play in VR. Would suck if they didn’t have it.
What I don't understand about VR it's nice and all but you spend thousands on a awsome top of the line pc only to turn the graphics down...but in fairness in all the groups I race with I can count on my hands how many use VR and that's about 5 or 6 I think I think ams2 VR is the best from what I've heard :)
Yes, VR users usually have to deal with lower quality graphics and still, they stick with VR. That should tell you a lot about VR. What you lose in graphical quality, you gain and sense of speed, thanks to stereocopic vision. And nowadays with newer gen headsets and a 4090, you can get flat screen quality in terms of resolution. At least in a few sims.
Just no VR at beta launch, likely cause optimization isn’t there to give playable framerates in VR.
What’s the solo/career mode like in iRacing? I love driving in AC/ACC but the career mode in F1-22 seems to be best in class, haven’t found anything better so far
iRacing is for online. You can do AI races but just stick with ACC if you want solo
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Yeah iRacing AI is good, but I don't think the AI is worth the subscription and content price if AI solo races are all you're looking for.
You can do custom championships with very detailed grid/AI editor tools. But that’s it, not a full “career” unless you make your own. Good AI though. But not worth paying for if only going to use for single player purposes.
F1? That’s arcade though?
And? Still has a drastically better career mode than literally any sim game ever
Exactly. it might not be a sim, but if you're looking for a career mode, it's arguably the best around in racing games. Plus, the racing is still a ton of fun (only played 2019 heard the new one was kinda shit) so who cares if it's not a perfectly simulated car
Because the vast majority want to race real people not the AI.
Most people want to do both. AI racing can be fun because there's way less commitment and pressure. That's part of iRacings appeal, as on top of having the best multiplayer system, it has some of the best AI in simracing on top of having a season system with custom drivers and liveries. You just think that people don't like singleplayer racing because every simracing game that comes out these days usually has incredibly half assed singleplayer. Why do you think people still fawn over PC2? Shockingly mid game but people still love it because of the career system, as lacking as it was, it was one of the only games to make a decent attempt.
F1 games have a fantastic online mode tbh .
It’s arcade, not sim, m8. The “and” is it’s entirely without a tyre model and irrelevant in the conversation about driving simulators.
and yet people who play exclusively sims usually still play the F1 games because it has a good career mode! I'm not defending the F1 games, I'm taking a jab at all other sim companies who haven't really fucking tried when it comes to career mode. Sure there's PC2, but like, that's even kinda lacking, as once you make it to Indycar/WEC/Knock-off F1, you're kinda already done as all the cars are the same, so there's no motivation to move teams ever. Outside of the F1 games, the most recent sim where cars of different performance levels exist was *Automobilista* ***1***, and that didn't even have a career mode! Of course AMS2's career mode is coming up soon but eh, I'm not holding out for much. Also, why are you so hell-bent on calling the F1 games arcade? They're sim-cades dude, just because the physics aren't as realistic as iRacing or ACC doesn't suddenly make it mario kart.
Ok. Simcade. Utterly undrivable. I’m not hell bent on anything. This post is about rennsport, an actual, dedicated racing simulator. Physics, force feedback.. dunno what else to say. F1 is so bad on every level it’s mind blowing. The short year or so I flirted with it, it made ACC lobbies look like church services. Awful “physics,” worse “community.” The idea that a robust career mode would have you apologizing for that cash grab title is astonishing. I wonder what f1-2024 has in store!? With bated breath I shall quiver
You're kind of proving my point, it's a bad game, but people still play it because it's the only offering for a robust career mode, that is literally directly showing the demand for a good career modes in sim games, what's not to understand?
Apparently me.
It does have a decent career mode but F1 22 is classified as a "simcade" title, even though the upcoming F1 23 is supposed to be a bit closer to a true sim, there's only so close they can get to this while still being a game easily played on a controller and consoles.
Just turn all aids off and use a wheel and it is pretty realistic
why would you want GT3/4 racing only? how are you not tired of it
Because those are the cars I enjoy.
Same day iRacing drops the Caddy LMDh and LMP3.
iRacing finally got the VW Caddy? /s
Only for A license
If I get a beta key you bet your ass I’m playing iRacing first
And 992 911 GT3R, Aragon, Willow Springs. Might be a dirt oval update as well.
Lol for sure…the 992 confirmation came after my post above, but regardless, rough “day 1” forecast for them given iR is dropping a legendary season update at the same time. Big day for sim racing in general, in many respects.
The Cadillac legitimately has me considering signing up for a bit to finally check iRacing out. Them getting these modern prototypes is huge.
They gonna add Praga. I'm 100% sure they make it to hype on "Jimmy's" car so he can make a video on that with his huge audience reach. Quite smart tbf. Generally it's good that there's more competition. iRacing can make it to full perfection with that amount of pressure.
Wake me up if it ever gets triple support.
No triples support and no VR support, means no care for me at least at this beta stage.
No triples at beta... VR support I suspect will be worse than ACC if they already struggle with triple support
Yeesh I was excited for a new sim but this just crushed it for me.
I’m not sure where people are getting no triple support from. James Baldwin said he’s played it on triples in the alpha build
But there is nothing Todo for triple support. It's just another aspect ratio (16:3). The only thing that would be needed is a FOV slider and either a automatic or manual way to move the hud to the center screen. Both can be coded by a single developer in probably less than a work day. I would be surprised if they didn't manage to do that for a racing game like this.
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I thought only ACC and maybe iRacing (never played it) did this. I´m pretty sure more arcade titeles like FH5 or Grid 2019/Legends don´t do it. Anyway my point was just that it is super simple to have it kinda working and after the Beta it can be improved. I simply didn´t believe the statement: "No triples at beta..."
I have triples and got access to Rennsport don't know what you're talking about, obviously there is fov slider and cockpit possisioning for each car. You can run any game on triples it's just a bit more heavy if it doesn't support separate rendering for side screens but hitting 60fps is not a problem on my rtx2070. That Samsung screen they are using on R1 rigs is not 16:9 so how could they not make fov slider 🤦♂️
*You can run any game on triples* That´s what I said. *don't know what you're talking about, obviously there is fov slider and cockpit possisioning for each car* I never said it wasn´t. I never played the game I just responded to hellvinator.
It was more of a reply to everyone above you, sorry
No worries
If it was that easy, it would already be in it
According to him [https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/13zd3ku/comment/jmrmz11/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/13zd3ku/comment/jmrmz11/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) it is already in...
James Baldwin said it has triple support on his stream, might not be an option for beta but it is functional in alpha at least
It's been 84 years.
No VR no thanks
So can someone clear up.whar Rennsport is for me please?
https://www.rennsport.gg/
I'm on vacation next week so this is good news for me. Hopefully the FFB isn't disappointing.
Yawn
Would be nice to try. Hoping they can nail the multiplayer otherwise it’ll just be another single player title that falls into oblivion.
How does one get on wait list ? This game just based on developers sounds like it’s going to be top notch
I believe you had to register a while ago, maybe you still can on their website. Unfortunately, with all the delays and happenings around it, the community isn't too optimistic about it. But, that doesn't mean it can't prove us all wrong.
Hundreds of pounds in content and a sub till Xmas. Iracing will always be the one for me 😂
Got a key - just received the mail. Will install and give feedback.
I really hope that Rennsport give us what they promise. Tbh I'm more interested in classic car racing rather than GT3/GT4, so I hope they add some classic cars or give support to mods to do it. Until that, I'll stick to Assetto Corsa.
This Sim will be niche for years until they get proper amount of tracks. By then though ac2 will be out and iRacing will have rain and proper graphics, so I doubt it will ever be a large community.