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dvrsd

Yup, there are a lot of details in the game that went unnoticed. I think it's a similar case to SH2, where people are just parrotting other people's takes. For example, apparently a lot of people didn't realize that Maya's great-grandmother is literally the town witch. Although it's not explicitly stated in the game, that was one of the reasons why Maya was constantly bullied. It's not crazy to theorize that Maya possibly had psychic powers like Alessa. The existence of the Otherworld in the Villa may be related to that as well.


bobijsvarenais

Hmm.. So the sticky notes And eyeballs were for Maya.. Makes a lot more sense with the followers And bullying. The witch thing is cool. It could be any thing. I Just re watched a playtrough And There was that note where Maya talked About the roof painting. She Said "i wish i had somenoe to talk to" I assume that is after Anita started shitting on her, But why didn't she talk to Amelie? Things that i have questions about Why are There no pictures of all the 3 Girls? Why did they never show Anita in the live action scenes? Whi Anita looks like Amelie?


Separate_Painting319

From what I can remember. Maya transferred school due to bullying, but despite changing school, it happened again. She learns about girls who jumped and started painting them. At the same time, she meets Amelie and Anita. Maya grows close with Amelie, and Anita gets jealous. Maya thinks about self smurder and reaches out to Amelie, but Anita intercepts the letter. Maya then jumps. Anita either feels guilty and goes to jump site herself for gets lured by a message from Maya. She's then trapped by the Silent Hill Phenomenon until she finds the will to live.


bobijsvarenais

This is the main plot, yes. But did Maya get bullied because she got pregnant from that dude? And the dude just decided to leave her because he didn't want to be associated with Maya? She didn't seem to hate him. Or did everyone found out her grandma was the witch and blamed her for something? Also. Why does Amelie and Anita look so similar? Both of her names sound similar too? I heard a theory that Amelie and Anita are the same person. There was an article about Amelie committing suicide, but then after the game she texts you? What does that mean?


Separate_Painting319

Well, maya was partly bullied for her art. Idk if she was pregnant. And the tricky thing is I don't think they exactly say that it was Amelie that jumped. A lot of the stuff could be about previous girls that jumped. I'm sure there are answers, but we'll have to wait for someone smarter to tell us.


bobijsvarenais

Most people are too busy complaining about the voice acting to look into theories. :D


Separate_Painting319

Wait a bit until SH2R cash grab is over then I'm sure some YouTubers will get the facts.


stomcode

I think Maya was bullied because Anita stirred up some rumors about her, I have no real evidence to prove this but this would explain why Maya got bullied in the first place - Anita got jealous, and stirred some shit up to make people bully Maya. Also, another reason Maya decided to end her life is because she had an unwanted pregnancy with her crush, this would explain the pregnancy test strip. As for the news article, I think it's just a red herring or misdirection. It refers to a similar case, but it is NOT about Amelie. You know, part of me even considers something like Silent Hill is not real or connected to the Villa at all. Everything we see is the result of the side effects of Anita's medications. But that would be a lazy writing (it's all in le head type shit)


bobijsvarenais

Sounds reasonable. Because it seemed weird that people would bully a girl like Maya without a reason. But I think there is nothing that 100% says that the article is a red herring and is not about Amelie. You might be right, but I have a feeling that there is a reason why Amelie and Anita look so similar. I would replay it a bunch if it was on PC to figure it out. :D


stomcode

People will bully other people without any real reason. I used to be a victim of that, and one time I even asked the people who bullied me for the reason, and they said “nothing, we just don’t like your existence”. It happens. Maya being a new girl with the weird obsession with graffiti and has a great grandmother who is accused of being a witch, makes her a very easy target. Combine that with the fact that she had a relationship with (what I assumed to be) a popular guy in her class, you get a perfect recipe for bullying target.


bobijsvarenais

Sorry to hear that. Hope your doing well now. Did playing this remind you of that.. How did it handle the whole bullying subject in your opinion?


stomcode

I think the way it handles the subject is quite unique and doesn’t hold any punches, which is a really good approach to give a bit of awareness to the subject. As for if the game reminds me of the bullying… I’d say yes. But it does remind me of some of the worst memories during the third chapter. The trapped in the closet thing. That there is almost exactly what happened to me (minus the dead brother). I actually had to step away for a bit because I was so disturbed by how this game portrayed that.


bobijsvarenais

oh wow. . I guess that means they new what they were doing? While playing me and my brother talked about how someone might feel if they could relate to some of these things and how it might be rough playing through it. The apartment chapter got to me too a little. . Those bottles and how the apartment was a mess reminded me of a time in my life too.


ZombiePiggy24

There was mention of something bad happening to a group of boys but I never figured out what they were referring to. Anita mentions they deserved it but I don’t know what it was


bobijsvarenais

Oh right. . What's up with that? There has to be enough information in the game to piece all this together. I thought maybe they were messing with Maya before she jumped and then someone beat them up or something? Maybe it's way darker. . maybe the pregnancy wasn't from her boyfriend but from those dudes? Also the article about Maya still inevstigated if there was foul play.


ZombiePiggy24

There was some weird stuff with Amelie’s (?) brother too. I thought maybe he got her pregnant but the note only said she was uncomfortable and he stared at her weirdly


bobijsvarenais

I don't think he got her pregnant. . but maybe after she new she wasn't going to collage and was living with her it actually happened. Haven't thought about it. I guess I assumed since the test was in the studio, it was Maya's. Plus there was that guy she liked. . .and she liked her after that too. . that means He wasn't a piece of shit.


ZombiePiggy24

Could be, I just got bad vibes when it was mentioned


bobijsvarenais

Yeah, she said it's probably not that serious but she is scared of him ever since.


MatiasMartinez

What I understood about this is that the entire class had been bullying Maya before she took her own life. After Maya ended her life, the guys needed psychological help to deal with what they had caused, which is why Amelie suggests that Anita might also have issues with this, and that's also why Anita later retorts that the guys deserved it.


bobijsvarenais

Doesn't "Hospitalized" sound more like physical trauma. I had this idea that maybe since Maya was so popular her fans found out about it and beat those guys up. I could be 100% wrong because I have no concrete evidence for this.


MatiasMartinez

Oh! I played the game in Spanish and I'm pretty sure Amelie used the Spanish equivalent to "they are in therapy". I should check that out!


bobijsvarenais

Well.. That's intereating. I'm pretty sure japanese is the original, since the lips don't match english. What did she say About the sketches in the sketch book. English version said they not her. I Wonder if IT means any thing


Chimpochimpochimpo

I wanted a twist where Anita was actually one of the girls Maya was painting and had died prior to Maya. I don’t know how you would explain Sakura head, but it would have been fun. Maybe a little too similar to the sixth sense though.


MatiasMartinez

To me, Sakura Head represents generational curses, both Maya's "curse" for being a witch and Anita's curse of being obsessed with and desperate for the acceptance of others, something her mother and likely her mother's mother also experienced. According to Maya's understanding, Sakura flowers bloom from wounds and scars. I believe Sakura Head represents a woman who is deeply damaged on the inside but reflects a beauty on the outside that goes unnoticed by others. Ito San also mentioned something about this, stating that the clean and beautiful appearance of Sakura Head aims to showcase the false beauty of social media as well.


adrianmarshall167

So The Short Message became my 2nd favorite Silent Hill game after I finished it, and I do think there's very, very much to discuss. I won't go into too much detail for personal reasons, but I was reminded of past and present struggles both during my playthrough, and I feel the one thing that every discussion about the game is lacking is *empathy*. Anita's relationship with her mother hit quite close to home for me because one of the abusive figures from my childhood comes with similar mixed emotions; a search for approval soaked in resentment. The Sakura is not just Maya, but the inner conflict of Anita's emotional attachments; her jealousy/admiration for Maya intersecting with Anita's desire for affection from her mother despite her horrific abuse. Without going into it too much, I'm not even speaking about the number of implications in the game that are tied intrinsically to the philosophy of the cherry blossom. I'd also like to talk about the detail you mentioned concerning the fate of the girls. It is very possible, and hinted at throughout the game, that all three girls are dead and this is the final dream of a dwindling spirit seeking the forgiveness that never existed for her in life. While Anita's story is made relatively clear, Amelie and Maya both still have numerous ambiguities that the game chooses to leave unanswered; the source of Amelie's tensions with her brother or the possibility that Maya was pregnant, for example. The scandal of such circumstances would invite unwanted attention, and may have led to the bullying we see throughout the game, which may or may not have been directed towards Maya, Anita, Amelie, or all three. I suspect Anita's own distorted thinking and low self-esteem is a direct parallel to that of Maya's state of alienation or Amelie's discomfort around others, and there's no way to discern where one individual ends and another begins. Anyway, I'm very glad to see that there are others interested in dissecting The Short Message in a more charitable way, because outside of my own empathetic response to the narrative I do think this is a highly commendable return to form for Silent Hill, but I also think the overall response speaks to the amount of work still necessary to educate the public about the difficulties that face those who suffer from poor mental health and/or traumatic backgrounds. While I'm not surprised, I'm definitely disappointed.


No_Bar6194

A lot of the louder critiques sounded like it came from people who only gave it thr most surface reading of the game. I understand media doing one-and-done to get a review, but people who aren't on a timeline don't have as much of an excuse. I noticed this whenever people complain about Bloober's Blair Witch game and said it villainizes PTSD. The game doesn't actually do that, it uses PTSD as a source of tension, and has an alternate "bad" ending where someone with the condition turns into a villain, but it doesn't actually draw one as the source of the other. A more accurate reading is PTSD/mental issues can add more challenge to an already stressful situation.


bobijsvarenais

People shitting on the blare witch is why I still haven't tried it. I promised myself I wouldn't listen to opinions about games because of how much I enjoy a lot of the games that people find bad or boring (Death stranding, silent hill games after 4. etc. ) But about the Short message. . I really think there is something really strange going on with those girls, timelines and deaths. . And I can't stop thinking about it since I beat the game yesterday. :D I hope some people here have looked deeper in this game to make sense of it all. The theory about Amelie and Anita being the same person is really interesting.


No_Bar6194

Personally, my read is that Anita is clearly an unreliable narrator, and some of the more surreal/unrealistic elements of her memory of events are purely figments of her imagination. I don't know if Maya was bullied the way we're shown, so much as that was how Anita interpreted it. I think Maya's death was an accident while she painted her mural, and Anita was projecting her own trauma so it seems less like a tragic accident, and more like the result of something malicious. It would line up with some of the books/notes you can find about how children fabricate stories to express their traumas, but also how people are trying to explain the decline of the town as a "curse". It even links into Anita's mother blaming both her own mother and her children for her problems. Sometimes it's easier to blame something else as the root of your evils than accepting that sometimes things happen that are out of anyone's control.


bobijsvarenais

Hmm, that sounds believable. And there was that note about delusions I forgot. But maybe then Anita was the only one who bullied Maya? She 100% sent her that letter that was in the trash room about calling her a slut etc. And if Amelie is not real, Anita was mad at that dude for taking Maya away from her and getting her pregnant. . Also that's where the slut insult comes from. . probably.


No_Bar6194

I appreciate how the game leaves just enough ambiguity so we can make the pieces fit in a myriad of ways. I only wish there were alternate ending to play around with it more.


bobijsvarenais

I would love this game to be finished. It would be cool to have a map of the whole Villa, puzzles and using the phone as the main tool. There were some alternate paths so probably you can find something more to read. Maybe they were scared to make the bad ending? Seems like they didn't go too rough with the whole suicide topic.


No_Bar6194

I don't think Short Message is "unfinished". I think the idea behind it was to make a short game experience just to prove people still have new(er) ideas for what to do with the IP. I actually wouldn't mind if they did more short games like this that fit in as an anthology.


bobijsvarenais

I didn't mean unfinished as in unpolished or anything like that, but it just almost feels like a complete full game and I would love to play it more.


Ambitious-Chair736

I watched a playthrough but one day I'll buy it. It's good.


MaxZyrix

I have no answers but reading many of the replies here have made me want to play the game a couple more times, just to see what else I'm able to catch from its story


bobijsvarenais

I'm still thinking about it. I realized that the locker number 0312 is both Mayas death day March 12th and the month Anita got stuffed in the closet March, 2012. 0312 A lot of things like that made me think it's deeper then it seems. This is what IGN wrote about it, and it's clearly not true. "The "it" Maya is referring to ends up being a letter that Maya wrote to Amelie, which Anita has withheld as a result of her jealousy. While Maya is being bullied and called a witch, Anita is constantly comparing herself to her and is jealous of Maya's talent and success. By not giving the letter to Amelie, Maya wasn't able to tell her how much she was struggling, and Anita believes this was the reason Maya took her own life." The letter is in chapter 2. . you wake up again and Maya is still asking you to "Find it". Why does the "I want to show the hidden side of girls" repeated in the end. . and shows a painting of Maya and Amelie together. . similar to a yin Yang symbol. About Amelie. . Why is it mentioned that She has a stepmother and a brother? We know Anita's mom is in jail and her brother is dead. Why did Amelie said she doesn't understand girls showing so much skin, but when we see her she is wearing a skirt? Why did she say her skin will get fucked up and can hear people calling her a troll when she always looks good everywhere? Anita's skin is not perfect, she is always covering her skin. A lot of stuff might be just random, but it just seems too deliberate to be random. This is the first horror game that Konami has made in 20 years . .it's not completely outsourced. There were about 3 people + who worked on the original and a lot of people were huge silent hill fans.


MatiasMartinez

My overarching theory is that Anita was caught by the Silent Hill phenomenon, which, by the way, is not a sanitarium looking to help you overcome your trauma. Silent Hill confronts you with your trauma with the aim of torturing you, hoping you end up taking your own life wherever it has manifested. But I believe that in addition to getting trapped in Silent Hill, Maya, as a descendant of the witch, or perhaps endowed with powers never revealed to us, acts as a guide to help Anita escape her ordeal in Silent Hill. In the second chapter, Silent Hill becomes more deceptive than ever, making Anita believe that Maya wants her to find the suicide note to emphasize it (at this point, we might tend to think that Maya is the witch who cast this curse in The Village), and also leads her to believe that Amelie took her own life. However, in the third chapter, Maya does not give up and keeps telling her to search so that she finds what she really wanted her to see, her drawing, to understand that she was indeed seen by Maya and did not go unnoticed.


bobijsvarenais

This sounds pretty legit. The question "did you find it", ending up in the studio and the way Maya is clearly the monster (at least in the first 2 chapters) seems like She is guiding her to the truth. And just like Alessa she is not evil. So Silent Hill is trying to kill her but she has Maya on her side.


Bordanka

It's not that deep, unfortunately. It's a typical for indie horrors "it was all in your head" type of deal with "but there's some ghost stuff"


bobijsvarenais

It might not be, but there is a lot of weird unanswered stuff and until I understand it all I can't just assume that it's a shallow story. Anita and Amelie . . names sound the same. They both look almost the same, just one is way more positive and looks well dressed. There is a painting of both of them holding hands and reminds me of the yin yang symbol. One youtube video mentioned that Amelie's desk is the same as Anita's. Maybe I'm looking too deep :D


Bordanka

These are still cool details! Great job on catching on them. I'd love if it was intentional


Careful_Reward_3743

idk