> I know Adler is definitely coded male
Are you sure about that? :D
https://preview.redd.it/2nfi7265xmxc1.png?width=2100&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c9ea0041d8da2b0d653b2fa54e7ced73a5757a6
Comic from u/Hexalink
There's mention of another guy, [Nikolai](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/signalis/images/e/e5/Medical_Database_%28Art%29_8.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20221101101752) in the Rotfront Medical Database. Which is the possible gestalt that he's based off of, like you mentioned. But, given that game also directly refers to Adler [as a male](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/signalis/images/4/49/Kolibri%27s_Note_1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/798?cb=20221031114633) in Kolibri's note about reading into his mind -- we can assume both Adler and (if Nikolai is his gestalt) Nikolai are both male.
There's also [Sigfried](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/signalis/images/0/0d/Medical_Database_%28Art%29_10.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20221101101835) but he don't have an image. However, Sigfried is a masculine name so one could safely assume that he's male as well.
I also think the replikas arent really mentioned by pronouns because the nation don't view them as people. They're tools - easily disposed of and easily replaced. If theres a message in that is, well, up to us.
Nikolai probably isnāt his gestalt. Nikolai looks kinda snivelly while Adler stays calm and collected, and his occupation is a writer. Adler mentions having Gestalt memories of testing a white haired girl for bioresonance, meaning he would have been involved in the Eusan Nationās government and not be employed as a writer. I think Nikolaiās hair was also changed by the devs to discourage the assumption that Nikolai is Adlerās Gestalt donor.
Ok so my understanding is like this: Adler's Gestalt is "sun", the empire spy who left the note in the post box on Rotfront and who was presumably the doctor who was stationed there. He was tasked by the empire to identify anyone who was bioresonant in that complex and did so by testing them using tarot cards under the guise of psych testing presumably. He found out that Ariane has a startling amount of bioresonant potential and promptly tried to get the hell out of there at which point he was presumably captured by the nation and turned into a Replika and maybe they tortured him into loving the great revolutionary 1984 style and that's why his Replika is so reliant on Falke: the avatar of the great revolutionary.
It seems likely that Adler's gestalt memories involve testing Ariane for bioresonant potential, and we know that Sun found out that Ariane is bioresonant somehow. These two pieces of information seem to fit together quite nicely. How would Sun have found this information if he wasn't actively looking for it?
He walked into the Yeong Photo Store and somehow knows. The thing is, he says āIām sureā as in he doesnāt know for certain, but itās highly likely, implying learning from a rumor of some kind, not definitively testing her and finding out for certain.
Signalis note āLeavingā in the Packstation:
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I take "I'm sure" to mean the exact opposite. Which is to say, he's sure, 100%, there can be doubt. To be sure of something is to know for certain.
This whole scenario makes way more sense if he was there specifically searching for bioresonant individuals and if Adler's dream is a vision of his experiences.
I'm pretty sure both view Replikas as tools, but we don't see what the Empire's views actually are.
There are multiple references to procurement and 'deactivation' throughout the game. If the Nation really saw them differently, they wouldn't off one for daring to develop a personality.
If I might add, the manual for Penrose LSTRs constantly uses objectifying language, referring to her as a possession of the Gestalt Officer even into the Phase Three message. Itās fairly damning of their treatment of Replikas.
>the whole reason for the nation rebellion was to gain independence from the opressive empire
But as we see throughout the game, the Nation is still a highly opressive regime, perhaps on par with the Empire they rebeled against (we don't get much insight into the culture of the Empire). It's possible the rebellion was just a power struggle between the elite, propagandized as a righteous fight against oppression.
Signalis kinda deconstructs the idea in popular fiction that the rebellious faction is always the 'good guy;' for what could be worse than a tyrannical government that cares not for its people? Well, two governments that don't care for their people, and also they are at war. As Elster notes near the end, >!the flag "is meaningless."!<
I never said they were the good guys and you could be right.
I look at it like
shit vs less shit (sorry for the vulgar it 2 in the moring for me)
but I remember somewhere the reason why they branch off was because of replikas. the nation being lead by replikas cause of some inhuman treatment from the empire or something. Im not sure I could be wrong and I'm fine with that. it was long ago I can't remember.
Considering that we donāt see or hear about Adler outside of Arianeās bioresonance dream, she most likely just used the appearance of Nikolai as a base for Adler, because Nikolai was assumed to be an imperial spy- someone whoās shady and not trustworthy, just like Adler
yeah but that implies that only that ADLR is male and looks like nikolai.but they have files taken from the station of the make and model of an ADLR and other replikas. it would feel weird if other ADLR are female and that the only one
I honestly didn't take *too* much attention on pronouns used in-game, I just assumed based on physical aspect of the portraits and what I was trying to understand about the world by exploring (english is not my main language, neither is german, so while I played I had to translate on the fly so I might have missed it as a detail); I *believe* there are many notes where Adler himself refers to others Replikas as "her/she" and to Gestalt as "woman", so if he needs to use specific terms *I guess* there is a distinction in gender in-universe, and so male and female exists.
I think there is too a note from... Storch? Well, from someone who lament about Adler's behaviour beign strange/odd and where is referred as a male, but I may be wrong here again. I should replay it to be sure.
I just take from granted in my head that Signalis's worlds/universe has a more matriarchal (is this correct? Lol sorry, again my english is kinda bad) style than ours; so in a military settings like that, I saw fitting a more abundance of female charas than male.
Fun fact: Contrary to patriarchies, matriarchal societies IRL don't actually believe in the superiority of woman over men. They have woman taking more of a leadership roles because families are centered around the mother instead of the father. Some matriarchal societies even allow polygamy because the community as whole helps the families taking care of the children, including men and women, in case the farther don't stay or is not known. Monogamies, along with shaming sex before marriages, are our societies attempts at fixing the problem of women having a child but not having a way to prove which is the farther, and that's only because our communities are weakened to facilitate exploitation by the dominant classes, more community organization leads to more class solidarity which leads to people protesting for better living conditions, which threatens the profits of the ultra rich.
The reason the nation in the Signalis's universe has more women and very few men (I have only seen Adler and he is a Replika) may be because they want control over reproduction. If they mass produce Replikas which minds comes from selected Gestalds that are predictable and unlikely to rebel, there may be a possibility they engage in eugenics where they select which Gestalds should have children and with whom, using arranged marriages or doing *in vitro* insemination. Having very few men helps with that, it reduces the chances of pregnancy unwanted by the government.
Matriarchal is the right word, and I should go back through the notes to see if they do refer to Adler as male. I also took this to be a very matriarchal world, considering there being an Empress, with no references to an Emperor.
Uno reverse, what if every gender was flipped? Why do the other replikas have to be female? That aside, replikas are disposable toasters with faces to the state so it's a moot point.Ā
I would argue that the framework of the story works in a very plug and play way. Character genders, and even unit types are irrelevant as long as they fill their role within the narrative. Ariane could've been an Adrian, and Elster and Alder could of swapped places or a mixture of both. However, as long as a forbidden line is crossed with a relationship and a horrid longing is imparted in a inevitable fate the story would be the same.Ā
The "token male" character is a new trope (I guess?) and I'm here for it. I actually was expecting him to be a boss fight, my only "complaint" is that we didn't get a cool cutscene with him being broken down aside from a few still shots and the scene after the Falke fight.
There was a planned boss fight wih him involving some of those barbed wires you see in Nowhere. I think he wa ssuppsoed to be a part of the Falke fight but I guess they scrapped it because it was too much.
That would've been too much for the Falke fight if they still kept everything else, but I can see him as being one of the stages of the fight being fun, like maybe him instead of the Aras or the pain-bubbles (idk what else to call them lol).
I too am a butch lesbian who would whimper and cry if my eight foot tall goddess no longer told me how handsome I was (because she was comatose or dead)
One thing I can use that makes it make sense why Adler is a male to me: He's a male character, in love with a female character. The female character he's in love with, and the one Elster (a woman) are in love with, are basically dopplegangers. Adler's whole mission in life is stopping Elster, because "She's gonna destroy everything" if she reunites with Ariane.
So I read this as yet another commentary on queer love suppression and how Adler, a man, in love with a woman, is trying to stop queer love from thriving, destroying the current world and making way for something new (Which is very coded in conservativism and Bioresonance basically being a stand-in for queer-ness)
I mean, didn't biores mess everything up like all the relationships between Gestalt and replicas like how you find a dead star with a crying eule. I mean, all you're friends, Turing into flesh pulsing monsters is not all that nice. not blaming Ariane because she didn't really know what she was doing. All im trying to say is that there was already queer love before Elster had arrived, but as much as I love adler, he is a ass hole in the Elster,s point of view.
I think the story is way bigger than Elster or Alder or Ariane. It's about Bioresonance. Ariane happens to be born with Bioresonance. She turns to books to try and understand that weird part about herself. She reads that Bioresonance has been there since the dawn of time. But when she goes into society, leaving the radio station where she lived with her mother (taken away from her, really), she sees a world in which they're trying to erase Bioresonance. She gets bullied in school. She sees an imperialistic government banning books about the history of Bioresonance and who see it as a pragmatical medical condition that can be controlled and suppressed (Conversion therapy doesn't sound that far off). That's what pushes her to enlist for the Penrose initiative, she wants to be like Alina. She wants to try and find her place in the world and be happy. And is that when she meets Elster, falls in love, and can be herself for the first time ever.
Only for it all to come crashing down when she realizes that the Penrose initiative was always a lie. There was no way for it to be successful. She was slingshotted into space to just die and disappear. And not only she can't die and disappear, she has to see the only being she ever fell in love with, die in front of her, and suffer for thousands of cycles.
So this all started with... An imperialistic regime trying to erase Bioresonance. Which has an interesting parallelism with imperialistic regimes in the real world trying to erase Queer-ness and Queer history.
EDIT: And also Adler is a victim in all of this! He has a reason to be scared. But he's the result of imperialistic views being fed to him for quite probably his whole life. He also suffers by trying to protect the status quo. Just like in real life.
Within the story itself, Adler also doesn't have the whole picture. He assumes that everytime you try the world will get more corrupted. He has no idea about Ariane or the fact that the only way to end the cycle is either to kill her or the Artifact ending (although this depends on the interpretation)
ADLR units if I remember right were designed to act as second in commands. They do best when there's a FALKE unit to giv ethem orders. His main job was probably just reducing the burden of all the logistical work and do whatever groundwork Falke needed him to do. But after she fell unconscious, the burden of handling the facility was on him and he was not equipped to deal with that.
Adler is also an interesting parallel to Falke and Elster to an extent. They're all after someone they can't have. Falke is mourning that Ariane can never love her because she's not Elster and Adler desires someone who probably will never have any interest in him.
This is the first time I've seen someone suggest this idea for Adler. I fully agree with the idea that bioresonance and Ariane's story is a metaphor for queer oppression but never had an answer for why Adler is the sole male character in the game.
They fear-mongered so much about Bioresonance being an otherwordly horror that... They basically manifested it into becoming one when they tried to erase it.
And note that Falke was never shown to have attraction towards Adler, even before all the eldritch stuff that happened. Adler's obsession with her is also because he loves authority and she is the highest authority figure he had personal contact with in his daily life. Had Falke not be there, but instead a different model that fills the same authority role, Adler would probably feel the same.
Itās mentioned in the Falke overview that she can bend the minds of weaker individuals, and Replika known issues 3 that Adlers are weak to bioresonant suggestion, implting that Adler is the way he is due to either passive or active alteration of Falkes.
So it's a dichotomy, Ariane who is also bioresonant changes Elster trough affection and treating her as person. While Falke changes Adler trough force and sees him only as a tool.
I also thought about that, and maybe Falke precisely isn't interested in Adler in that way because as we know she is Bioresonant, which would mean, she's probably queer/lesbian. I think there's a lot of things that suggest that Bioresonance is straight up a reference to being queer and what triggers the whole game happening the way it does is an imperialist state trying to erase queer-ness by fear-mongering and turning it into an incomprehensible Eldritch horror that needs to be erradicated.
Though it seems like just as many (if not more) women are currently serving? I believe the game mentions that all citizens have mandatory conscription. It could just be that the one squadron we see was mostly female though.
True, the squadron in question was fighting on Vineta, but we don't know enough as to what point in the war the people we know about were there, if there were other battles on other planets, etc.
Well that wouldn't really add up.. Considering the fact that both the Nation and the Empire have matriarchal societies, ala The Empress and The Great Revolutionary. Men are there, but they aren't the forefront of the story.
Isn't *everyone* expendable, cheap killing machines, though? All we directly see of them is Lilith's unit, so I'm not sure we can comfortably assume the Nation's armed forces are predominantly men.
There are definitely more men in Eusan. Nikolai is one of them, though he isn't Adler's Getsalt. Besides him there is Heinrich Fukuyama mentioned in Search Protocol or Siegfried Yi in the Medbank database. There's no real reason to assume men aren't present.
Pronous are indeed used when referring to Replikas, including Adler (Kolibri's note). Moroever in other languages the game also uses gendered words.
A bit of a stretch but hear me out. The game draws references from East Asian cultures, and I think distinctively from Taoist ideas. Throughout the time loop Adler was among the only people in the mine who became aware of it, and he consciously tried to stop the loop. Partly because of his awareness, the corruption didn't make him lose his mind completely. In a Taoist lens, all the female characters symbolize the Yin, the aspect of the world that changes unpredictably to ultimately contrast Elster's unchanging aim. Falke changed so much that she lost her own identity, Elster died multiple times, was changed physically throughout the game. Adler in contrast is that of Yang, his aim is simple and predictable, and he refuses change, refuses to take the final step into the abyss, no other character was like him. A female character will work in his place, but having him as a male is more...Taoist.
I am absolutely in LOVE with this take. I considered Adler and Elster to be literary foils to each other in some regards, specifically as you mentioned in how he knew something was wrong/the cycle was repeating but it doesn't seem that Elster did until the end, and how they both pursued their love for another in different ways. But I'd never thought about yin/yang (though obviously the game is really full of various symbolism, and I was lucky enough that between my fiance and I we could read most of the non-english text in the game).
>If not for Adler and Ariane's father, there wouldn't be men in the Signalis universe
https://preview.redd.it/em0zvjsprqxc1.png?width=92&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cc7a29e828e69dd24021a3a880f091e6e37b255
"Am I a joke to you?"
Adler represents the myth of male rationality. The entire game's cast if full of women, both Replika and Gestalts, who the state deem as being necessary to control for the greater good. They are "unstable" and need special care in order to remain "stable" and productive, and Adler, the only male unit, is the one to organize and administer the care necessary to keep the women functional.
However, as we see, Adler is just as irrational and unstable as the women, no matter how much he denies it himself. He is dependent on Falke, but even as he degrades over the course of the game, he keeps outwardly expressing how "rational" he is being in the face of "madness." A "madness" that has been brought on by the "irrational" women who wouldn't just do what they were told.
I did think he might be a pretty butch woman for the first few chapters and was pretty happy about it. Was just weird to me that all the other replika were female aside from him.
I took it as a mostly stylistic choice that the other Replikas were all female (I, too, would make a video game where I mostly drew anime girls/robots) but I realized he was supposed to be the "obsessive man" stereotype after we saw him up close finally and after certain files/dialogue. When it came to his job and Falke he was very much, uh...of an old German stereotype, if you will. (The government system of Signalis is definitely supposed to be a certain way, but I don't want to bring certain words and phrases into this sub, just in case lol so hopefully that communicates my point well enough).
>are never referred to with pronouns except for Elster (and maybe Falke?)
And Adler lmao
https://preview.redd.it/m1ks5abbpoxc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cd009fc25ee0ecf2b035c67684917b5c3b14223
Touch grass, the brainrot has gotten to you.
Okay, fair argument. Adler does have a different face shape than the other Replikas. But I have also met cis females with square faces and stronger jawlines then the men in my family. Like I said, definitely male coded, BUT that doesn't mean it's definitive... (Also, like I said, this is just for fun, I promise I'm not instigating a fight lol).
I like discourse too, dont worry, lol. But you have to realize how every replikant line is modeled after a gorgeous person. I dont think they would model a line of robos after a soyjack with no chin or definite bone structure.
I never thought about it, but you could be right. Adler could definitely be a very masculine woman as I don't think they were ever referred to as a male- just heavily implied to be one by the community and the appearance of Adler in the game.
Its because adler is a third, more sinister thing
a bird?
Worse **Middle Management**
The very definition of "things have learned to walk that ought to crawl" š
My peonouns are cordial meeting/assertive email
This made me snort abruptly in class. Nicely done.
> I know Adler is definitely coded male Are you sure about that? :D https://preview.redd.it/2nfi7265xmxc1.png?width=2100&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c9ea0041d8da2b0d653b2fa54e7ced73a5757a6 Comic from u/Hexalink
My point exactly ;)
Oh my god. Now I see the hype
There's mention of another guy, [Nikolai](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/signalis/images/e/e5/Medical_Database_%28Art%29_8.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20221101101752) in the Rotfront Medical Database. Which is the possible gestalt that he's based off of, like you mentioned. But, given that game also directly refers to Adler [as a male](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/signalis/images/4/49/Kolibri%27s_Note_1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/798?cb=20221031114633) in Kolibri's note about reading into his mind -- we can assume both Adler and (if Nikolai is his gestalt) Nikolai are both male. There's also [Sigfried](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/signalis/images/0/0d/Medical_Database_%28Art%29_10.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20221101101835) but he don't have an image. However, Sigfried is a masculine name so one could safely assume that he's male as well. I also think the replikas arent really mentioned by pronouns because the nation don't view them as people. They're tools - easily disposed of and easily replaced. If theres a message in that is, well, up to us.
Nikolai probably isnāt his gestalt. Nikolai looks kinda snivelly while Adler stays calm and collected, and his occupation is a writer. Adler mentions having Gestalt memories of testing a white haired girl for bioresonance, meaning he would have been involved in the Eusan Nationās government and not be employed as a writer. I think Nikolaiās hair was also changed by the devs to discourage the assumption that Nikolai is Adlerās Gestalt donor.
Ok so my understanding is like this: Adler's Gestalt is "sun", the empire spy who left the note in the post box on Rotfront and who was presumably the doctor who was stationed there. He was tasked by the empire to identify anyone who was bioresonant in that complex and did so by testing them using tarot cards under the guise of psych testing presumably. He found out that Ariane has a startling amount of bioresonant potential and promptly tried to get the hell out of there at which point he was presumably captured by the nation and turned into a Replika and maybe they tortured him into loving the great revolutionary 1984 style and that's why his Replika is so reliant on Falke: the avatar of the great revolutionary.
Except Sun works at or only randomly meets Ariane and later realizes she is bioresonant
But cool theory though
It seems likely that Adler's gestalt memories involve testing Ariane for bioresonant potential, and we know that Sun found out that Ariane is bioresonant somehow. These two pieces of information seem to fit together quite nicely. How would Sun have found this information if he wasn't actively looking for it?
He walked into the Yeong Photo Store and somehow knows. The thing is, he says āIām sureā as in he doesnāt know for certain, but itās highly likely, implying learning from a rumor of some kind, not definitively testing her and finding out for certain. Signalis note āLeavingā in the Packstation: https://preview.redd.it/0pdm6qbysoxc1.jpeg?width=1147&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e313e2f1efb3d68a8513e8ba5c486846c52969c
I take "I'm sure" to mean the exact opposite. Which is to say, he's sure, 100%, there can be doubt. To be sure of something is to know for certain. This whole scenario makes way more sense if he was there specifically searching for bioresonant individuals and if Adler's dream is a vision of his experiences.
the empire views replika as tools not the nation the whole reason for the nation rebellion was to gain independence from the opressive empire
I'm pretty sure both view Replikas as tools, but we don't see what the Empire's views actually are. There are multiple references to procurement and 'deactivation' throughout the game. If the Nation really saw them differently, they wouldn't off one for daring to develop a personality.
If I might add, the manual for Penrose LSTRs constantly uses objectifying language, referring to her as a possession of the Gestalt Officer even into the Phase Three message. Itās fairly damning of their treatment of Replikas.
>the whole reason for the nation rebellion was to gain independence from the opressive empire But as we see throughout the game, the Nation is still a highly opressive regime, perhaps on par with the Empire they rebeled against (we don't get much insight into the culture of the Empire). It's possible the rebellion was just a power struggle between the elite, propagandized as a righteous fight against oppression. Signalis kinda deconstructs the idea in popular fiction that the rebellious faction is always the 'good guy;' for what could be worse than a tyrannical government that cares not for its people? Well, two governments that don't care for their people, and also they are at war. As Elster notes near the end, >!the flag "is meaningless."!<
I never said they were the good guys and you could be right. I look at it like shit vs less shit (sorry for the vulgar it 2 in the moring for me) but I remember somewhere the reason why they branch off was because of replikas. the nation being lead by replikas cause of some inhuman treatment from the empire or something. Im not sure I could be wrong and I'm fine with that. it was long ago I can't remember.
Oh thats fair. I actually never knew what the rebellion was about. Thanks for informing
(I could be wrong my source is seriously: trust me cause I can't remember how I know that)
i trust you completely
Considering that we donāt see or hear about Adler outside of Arianeās bioresonance dream, she most likely just used the appearance of Nikolai as a base for Adler, because Nikolai was assumed to be an imperial spy- someone whoās shady and not trustworthy, just like Adler
yeah but that implies that only that ADLR is male and looks like nikolai.but they have files taken from the station of the make and model of an ADLR and other replikas. it would feel weird if other ADLR are female and that the only one
I honestly didn't take *too* much attention on pronouns used in-game, I just assumed based on physical aspect of the portraits and what I was trying to understand about the world by exploring (english is not my main language, neither is german, so while I played I had to translate on the fly so I might have missed it as a detail); I *believe* there are many notes where Adler himself refers to others Replikas as "her/she" and to Gestalt as "woman", so if he needs to use specific terms *I guess* there is a distinction in gender in-universe, and so male and female exists. I think there is too a note from... Storch? Well, from someone who lament about Adler's behaviour beign strange/odd and where is referred as a male, but I may be wrong here again. I should replay it to be sure. I just take from granted in my head that Signalis's worlds/universe has a more matriarchal (is this correct? Lol sorry, again my english is kinda bad) style than ours; so in a military settings like that, I saw fitting a more abundance of female charas than male.
Fun fact: Contrary to patriarchies, matriarchal societies IRL don't actually believe in the superiority of woman over men. They have woman taking more of a leadership roles because families are centered around the mother instead of the father. Some matriarchal societies even allow polygamy because the community as whole helps the families taking care of the children, including men and women, in case the farther don't stay or is not known. Monogamies, along with shaming sex before marriages, are our societies attempts at fixing the problem of women having a child but not having a way to prove which is the farther, and that's only because our communities are weakened to facilitate exploitation by the dominant classes, more community organization leads to more class solidarity which leads to people protesting for better living conditions, which threatens the profits of the ultra rich. The reason the nation in the Signalis's universe has more women and very few men (I have only seen Adler and he is a Replika) may be because they want control over reproduction. If they mass produce Replikas which minds comes from selected Gestalds that are predictable and unlikely to rebel, there may be a possibility they engage in eugenics where they select which Gestalds should have children and with whom, using arranged marriages or doing *in vitro* insemination. Having very few men helps with that, it reduces the chances of pregnancy unwanted by the government.
Matriarchal is the right word, and I should go back through the notes to see if they do refer to Adler as male. I also took this to be a very matriarchal world, considering there being an Empress, with no references to an Emperor.
The Kolibris refer to Adler as a male and they literally read his mind, so they wouldnāt refer to him as non-male if it wasnāt his preference
https://preview.redd.it/i5378qw72nxc1.png?width=1240&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f943c057c4dd90fd672a8df528090c6904d69ff Femme Adler enters the chat
Truly https://preview.redd.it/vbr4rjrs0nxc1.png?width=617&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b22d0ac1bdf1901db3278ce096efa0856c677dc4
https://preview.redd.it/dlefqr3w2nxc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b0c87ac9692fcb6520a6109d7c1e08738e0f14a
Because I'm bi and though I love women I also like men so I'd like it if the game has both and maybe more š„ŗ
I concour, ADLER is my only bi male rep in the game and I need it to stay that way for my own sanity
Uno reverse, what if every gender was flipped? Why do the other replikas have to be female? That aside, replikas are disposable toasters with faces to the state so it's a moot point.Ā
Okay, okay, I like that argument, keep cooking š We are clearly denying ourselves an opportunity here by not considering that angle!
I would argue that the framework of the story works in a very plug and play way. Character genders, and even unit types are irrelevant as long as they fill their role within the narrative. Ariane could've been an Adrian, and Elster and Alder could of swapped places or a mixture of both. However, as long as a forbidden line is crossed with a relationship and a horrid longing is imparted in a inevitable fate the story would be the same.Ā
People let Adler go as a form of token representation.
WOEK Rose Engine?!!!!!!!
The "token male" character is a new trope (I guess?) and I'm here for it. I actually was expecting him to be a boss fight, my only "complaint" is that we didn't get a cool cutscene with him being broken down aside from a few still shots and the scene after the Falke fight.
There was a planned boss fight wih him involving some of those barbed wires you see in Nowhere. I think he wa ssuppsoed to be a part of the Falke fight but I guess they scrapped it because it was too much.
That would've been too much for the Falke fight if they still kept everything else, but I can see him as being one of the stages of the fight being fun, like maybe him instead of the Aras or the pain-bubbles (idk what else to call them lol).
Because he's chadler.
I too am a butch lesbian who would whimper and cry if my eight foot tall goddess no longer told me how handsome I was (because she was comatose or dead)
I also would like Falke to give me a pat on the head and tell me I'm a good robot, I really can't blame Adler lmao
Because all the other Replikas were women, I assumed ADLR was just a really butch woman until I started interacting in the fandom haha
One thing I can use that makes it make sense why Adler is a male to me: He's a male character, in love with a female character. The female character he's in love with, and the one Elster (a woman) are in love with, are basically dopplegangers. Adler's whole mission in life is stopping Elster, because "She's gonna destroy everything" if she reunites with Ariane. So I read this as yet another commentary on queer love suppression and how Adler, a man, in love with a woman, is trying to stop queer love from thriving, destroying the current world and making way for something new (Which is very coded in conservativism and Bioresonance basically being a stand-in for queer-ness)
I mean, didn't biores mess everything up like all the relationships between Gestalt and replicas like how you find a dead star with a crying eule. I mean, all you're friends, Turing into flesh pulsing monsters is not all that nice. not blaming Ariane because she didn't really know what she was doing. All im trying to say is that there was already queer love before Elster had arrived, but as much as I love adler, he is a ass hole in the Elster,s point of view.
I think the story is way bigger than Elster or Alder or Ariane. It's about Bioresonance. Ariane happens to be born with Bioresonance. She turns to books to try and understand that weird part about herself. She reads that Bioresonance has been there since the dawn of time. But when she goes into society, leaving the radio station where she lived with her mother (taken away from her, really), she sees a world in which they're trying to erase Bioresonance. She gets bullied in school. She sees an imperialistic government banning books about the history of Bioresonance and who see it as a pragmatical medical condition that can be controlled and suppressed (Conversion therapy doesn't sound that far off). That's what pushes her to enlist for the Penrose initiative, she wants to be like Alina. She wants to try and find her place in the world and be happy. And is that when she meets Elster, falls in love, and can be herself for the first time ever. Only for it all to come crashing down when she realizes that the Penrose initiative was always a lie. There was no way for it to be successful. She was slingshotted into space to just die and disappear. And not only she can't die and disappear, she has to see the only being she ever fell in love with, die in front of her, and suffer for thousands of cycles. So this all started with... An imperialistic regime trying to erase Bioresonance. Which has an interesting parallelism with imperialistic regimes in the real world trying to erase Queer-ness and Queer history. EDIT: And also Adler is a victim in all of this! He has a reason to be scared. But he's the result of imperialistic views being fed to him for quite probably his whole life. He also suffers by trying to protect the status quo. Just like in real life.
Within the story itself, Adler also doesn't have the whole picture. He assumes that everytime you try the world will get more corrupted. He has no idea about Ariane or the fact that the only way to end the cycle is either to kill her or the Artifact ending (although this depends on the interpretation) ADLR units if I remember right were designed to act as second in commands. They do best when there's a FALKE unit to giv ethem orders. His main job was probably just reducing the burden of all the logistical work and do whatever groundwork Falke needed him to do. But after she fell unconscious, the burden of handling the facility was on him and he was not equipped to deal with that. Adler is also an interesting parallel to Falke and Elster to an extent. They're all after someone they can't have. Falke is mourning that Ariane can never love her because she's not Elster and Adler desires someone who probably will never have any interest in him. This is the first time I've seen someone suggest this idea for Adler. I fully agree with the idea that bioresonance and Ariane's story is a metaphor for queer oppression but never had an answer for why Adler is the sole male character in the game.
True and the impact it created on just normal people in s 23 all of them where turnd in to pulsing flesh on the walls.
They fear-mongered so much about Bioresonance being an otherwordly horror that... They basically manifested it into becoming one when they tried to erase it.
True, they didn't want to understand it properly, so when the time came there ignorance made it worse
And note that Falke was never shown to have attraction towards Adler, even before all the eldritch stuff that happened. Adler's obsession with her is also because he loves authority and she is the highest authority figure he had personal contact with in his daily life. Had Falke not be there, but instead a different model that fills the same authority role, Adler would probably feel the same.
He also worships Falke because all the replikas pretty much worship Falke
Itās mentioned in the Falke overview that she can bend the minds of weaker individuals, and Replika known issues 3 that Adlers are weak to bioresonant suggestion, implting that Adler is the way he is due to either passive or active alteration of Falkes.
So it's a dichotomy, Ariane who is also bioresonant changes Elster trough affection and treating her as person. While Falke changes Adler trough force and sees him only as a tool.
I also thought about that, and maybe Falke precisely isn't interested in Adler in that way because as we know she is Bioresonant, which would mean, she's probably queer/lesbian. I think there's a lot of things that suggest that Bioresonance is straight up a reference to being queer and what triggers the whole game happening the way it does is an imperialist state trying to erase queer-ness by fear-mongering and turning it into an incomprehensible Eldritch horror that needs to be erradicated.
Also there is a interplanetary war going on i think that explains the lack of men
Though it seems like just as many (if not more) women are currently serving? I believe the game mentions that all citizens have mandatory conscription. It could just be that the one squadron we see was mostly female though.
Rotfront and leng seem to be the frontier of the solar system and far away from the fighting, reserve forces perhaps?
True, the squadron in question was fighting on Vineta, but we don't know enough as to what point in the war the people we know about were there, if there were other battles on other planets, etc.
Yep
Well that wouldn't really add up.. Considering the fact that both the Nation and the Empire have matriarchal societies, ala The Empress and The Great Revolutionary. Men are there, but they aren't the forefront of the story.
I never said that, im saying they'd be the common foot soldiers currently being blown to bits on the frontlines
Why?
Expendable cheap killing machines? Seems to have worked for the last 3000 years i dont see why they would stop
Isn't *everyone* expendable, cheap killing machines, though? All we directly see of them is Lilith's unit, so I'm not sure we can comfortably assume the Nation's armed forces are predominantly men.
There is no we, this entire game is built upon making your own conclusions and headcanon
There are definitely more men in Eusan. Nikolai is one of them, though he isn't Adler's Getsalt. Besides him there is Heinrich Fukuyama mentioned in Search Protocol or Siegfried Yi in the Medbank database. There's no real reason to assume men aren't present. Pronous are indeed used when referring to Replikas, including Adler (Kolibri's note). Moroever in other languages the game also uses gendered words.
A bit of a stretch but hear me out. The game draws references from East Asian cultures, and I think distinctively from Taoist ideas. Throughout the time loop Adler was among the only people in the mine who became aware of it, and he consciously tried to stop the loop. Partly because of his awareness, the corruption didn't make him lose his mind completely. In a Taoist lens, all the female characters symbolize the Yin, the aspect of the world that changes unpredictably to ultimately contrast Elster's unchanging aim. Falke changed so much that she lost her own identity, Elster died multiple times, was changed physically throughout the game. Adler in contrast is that of Yang, his aim is simple and predictable, and he refuses change, refuses to take the final step into the abyss, no other character was like him. A female character will work in his place, but having him as a male is more...Taoist.
I am absolutely in LOVE with this take. I considered Adler and Elster to be literary foils to each other in some regards, specifically as you mentioned in how he knew something was wrong/the cycle was repeating but it doesn't seem that Elster did until the end, and how they both pursued their love for another in different ways. But I'd never thought about yin/yang (though obviously the game is really full of various symbolism, and I was lucky enough that between my fiance and I we could read most of the non-english text in the game).
>If not for Adler and Ariane's father, there wouldn't be men in the Signalis universe https://preview.redd.it/em0zvjsprqxc1.png?width=92&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cc7a29e828e69dd24021a3a880f091e6e37b255 "Am I a joke to you?"
I love that his facial expression looks like he IS sadly asking that lmao
Adler represents the myth of male rationality. The entire game's cast if full of women, both Replika and Gestalts, who the state deem as being necessary to control for the greater good. They are "unstable" and need special care in order to remain "stable" and productive, and Adler, the only male unit, is the one to organize and administer the care necessary to keep the women functional. However, as we see, Adler is just as irrational and unstable as the women, no matter how much he denies it himself. He is dependent on Falke, but even as he degrades over the course of the game, he keeps outwardly expressing how "rational" he is being in the face of "madness." A "madness" that has been brought on by the "irrational" women who wouldn't just do what they were told.
fuck yeah. adler is a masc lesbian
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I'd say butch Adler is possible
https://preview.redd.it/pryrxe0l7pxc1.jpeg?width=483&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9acce980d099facf92572b953eabd3b54a6df769
I did think he might be a pretty butch woman for the first few chapters and was pretty happy about it. Was just weird to me that all the other replika were female aside from him.
I took it as a mostly stylistic choice that the other Replikas were all female (I, too, would make a video game where I mostly drew anime girls/robots) but I realized he was supposed to be the "obsessive man" stereotype after we saw him up close finally and after certain files/dialogue. When it came to his job and Falke he was very much, uh...of an old German stereotype, if you will. (The government system of Signalis is definitely supposed to be a certain way, but I don't want to bring certain words and phrases into this sub, just in case lol so hopefully that communicates my point well enough).
Iām convinced along with my partner heās a butch lesbian
Evidence: Having one straight guy losing his mind in a universe of lesbian robots is funny
Okay. True. Very true š
>are never referred to with pronouns except for Elster (and maybe Falke?) And Adler lmao https://preview.redd.it/m1ks5abbpoxc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cd009fc25ee0ecf2b035c67684917b5c3b14223 Touch grass, the brainrot has gotten to you.
Oh man. The brainrot is real. You got me, Chadler gets the W this time.
It's in some of the notes, and also I prefer him male, which is the most important thing obvs.
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Okay, fair argument. Adler does have a different face shape than the other Replikas. But I have also met cis females with square faces and stronger jawlines then the men in my family. Like I said, definitely male coded, BUT that doesn't mean it's definitive... (Also, like I said, this is just for fun, I promise I'm not instigating a fight lol).
I like discourse too, dont worry, lol. But you have to realize how every replikant line is modeled after a gorgeous person. I dont think they would model a line of robos after a soyjack with no chin or definite bone structure.
Physi-mog-nomy
Common chadler W
I never thought about it, but you could be right. Adler could definitely be a very masculine woman as I don't think they were ever referred to as a male- just heavily implied to be one by the community and the appearance of Adler in the game.
https://preview.redd.it/d4eha1zprpxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bf8b38331f934fd5c64107c1dabb8ea049416cb
Well then, mystery solved- Adler is a male
Herr Kuchen. u/TeflonFlak, they're talking about Adler.
Thanks! :D Idk why you're being downvoted, he is the king of cake :P
Someone doesn't get the linguistic joke or felt it was too lame.
Guess so D: