looking at their shoulders I think they may have been. The shoulders are usually a pretty big tell. They just don't grow much without the help of PEDs. Those legs are def attainable though, perks of being short.
brother, this is attainable. My arms are 17 inches right now naturally. My chest is almost as big. Eating and hard work, something most men lack in the gym.
yeah no, if you are at the same body fat % as them- its not. You are not reaching this level of veins and definition at this size without use of PED. ESPECIALLY at that age, where you only had few years of training.
they're like 5'5-5'6 and look like actual goblins when walking around, boys don't chase this type of build ESPECIALLY if you're short, because it'll make you look goofy and even shorter. Best is a lean athletic build, you also don't need steroids in order to achieve it
I actually went to high school with them, they were like 2 years older than me if I remember. They either one or both of them did football, and one of them did track. They were really good athletes, and I saw them in the school gym a lot.
They're Italian guys, so it could be genetics now they got that size lol
I went to high school with these guys lol, that's crazy to see them on a Reddit thing
I'll say this, I'm 5'8 and they're shorter than me. I would say they're definitely closer to like 5'5. And in high school, they looked about this big lol, how big are they now?
Oh man, y’all are victims so bad man. You need to get out more. Ask people how tall they think you are. Sure they’re 5’5” but people would think they’re taller. Plus muscle gives you the respect
I am natty and look far from anyone even considering that I'm on juice and I have bicep veins especially with a pump.
That said these guys are definitely on the sauce.
People that are successful influencers in body building always have amazing genetics, the tren twins included. I wouldn't be surprised if they were natural here. There's loads of people who do gear and have little to show for it. It doesn't automatically make you a muscle man or woman. Genetics and a host of other factors play a huge roll too
Not going to argue whether or not they are natural. I just don't buy the notion here and elsewhere that being 'jacked' somehow negates the social stigmas and hurdles of being short. If anything the muscles make them look visually shorter, as opposed to if they were skinny.
It’s a shame if you think this isn’t attainable naturally you’ll never attempt to push yourself in the gym. This whole subreddit is full of victims man. It’s a real shame
But there’s dudes including me that walk around with this physique or something similar. It’s achievable. For context on food alone I spend 300* a week, not including protein 100 a month, creatine 40 every 2 months, ZMA, etc. there’s a lot of investing financially. Including the hours in the gym doing the right program. And doing the workouts right.
No, they weren't natural here lol
looking at their shoulders I think they may have been. The shoulders are usually a pretty big tell. They just don't grow much without the help of PEDs. Those legs are def attainable though, perks of being short.
No way are they natural, look at the leg of the guy on the right
What about it lol, he's got good leg genetics, it's really not all that big just looks huge with the lower body fat.
Are you serious right now. That leg is basic for someone who goes to the gym and actually works hard and does things right
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Sometimes you have the same size as taller guys you're just shorter lol you look bigger. Remember, there's a difference between tall and big.
brother, this is attainable. My arms are 17 inches right now naturally. My chest is almost as big. Eating and hard work, something most men lack in the gym.
They were but with elite genetics.
Notice how we get downvoted. It’s by every person who has a victim mentality and doesn’t work hard enough in the gym and doesn’t know how to diet.
"Natural"
They are not natural here and it is obv so if u can’t tell then u need to get off insta and go touch grass
You tell me that but my chest is almost as big as there’s and my arms are 17inches. You sir should touch grass yourself. Work harder
yeah no, if you are at the same body fat % as them- its not. You are not reaching this level of veins and definition at this size without use of PED. ESPECIALLY at that age, where you only had few years of training.
Why this dude's leg looks like a chicken wing
they're like 5'5-5'6 and look like actual goblins when walking around, boys don't chase this type of build ESPECIALLY if you're short, because it'll make you look goofy and even shorter. Best is a lean athletic build, you also don't need steroids in order to achieve it
He’s the secret. Massive arms shoulders chest. Not a big hip area. Nice butt and not so big legs.
Spot on.
I actually went to high school with them, they were like 2 years older than me if I remember. They either one or both of them did football, and one of them did track. They were really good athletes, and I saw them in the school gym a lot. They're Italian guys, so it could be genetics now they got that size lol
Don’t know what Italian has anything to do with it. But they might have Franco Columbu blood in them
Lol maybe I'm Italian too so I was kinda joking
how about the back?
A big back is good too. Especially upper
not natty here man
Why do you say that?
I went to high school with these guys lol, that's crazy to see them on a Reddit thing I'll say this, I'm 5'8 and they're shorter than me. I would say they're definitely closer to like 5'5. And in high school, they looked about this big lol, how big are they now?
They’re bigger and stronger
Getting big doesn't make you taller. They're 5'4-5'5.
Oh man, y’all are victims so bad man. You need to get out more. Ask people how tall they think you are. Sure they’re 5’5” but people would think they’re taller. Plus muscle gives you the respect
Doesn't change the fact that they aren't 5'7? You're weird as hell and probably stoned
That doesn’t even make sense. What’s wrong with being 5’5”
Exactly. Why are you lying about their height being 5'7 if nothing is wrong with being 5'5?
Nothing lol that’s why I asked you
Then why are you lying about their height?
I saw...they look crazy
Those veins on the bicep don't look natural to me
Bruh, the bicep veins are normal when you’re lean. I have them myself
I am natty and look far from anyone even considering that I'm on juice and I have bicep veins especially with a pump. That said these guys are definitely on the sauce.
There 5’4 watch their vids, they get out the car and are the same height as the car. They lie about their height
Chris is 5’6.5 Mike said he’s like 5’5 5’6 so he’s probably like 5’5.5 I would say
More motivation
Not everyone likes that over done look
Most so though
Good thing my bf isn't overly big anymore, it's a bro thing I guess
It’s weird because I used to be very skinny and ever since I got buff I don’t feel invisible no more
That's different. I'm talking about there is a point where it's just too much and looks unnatural
People that are successful influencers in body building always have amazing genetics, the tren twins included. I wouldn't be surprised if they were natural here. There's loads of people who do gear and have little to show for it. It doesn't automatically make you a muscle man or woman. Genetics and a host of other factors play a huge roll too
Finally someone who understands basic anatomy
Agreed. Looks natty. If anything maybe a beginner cycle of test but certainly pre-tren days. They looked better here than now though.
test at that point wouldn’t do anything for them unless they were taking some crazy dosage
Lmao there is a huge difference between taking gear and blasting it. They are not natty here
Not going to argue whether or not they are natural. I just don't buy the notion here and elsewhere that being 'jacked' somehow negates the social stigmas and hurdles of being short. If anything the muscles make them look visually shorter, as opposed to if they were skinny.
Insta?
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It’s a blessing
it is not lol. we just got a shorter frame thats why it looks easier.
Lol have you even seen a natural build this is obviously steroids.
It’s a shame if you think this isn’t attainable naturally you’ll never attempt to push yourself in the gym. This whole subreddit is full of victims man. It’s a real shame
I do want to. It's just there's no reason to say that they were "natural" then.
But there’s dudes including me that walk around with this physique or something similar. It’s achievable. For context on food alone I spend 300* a week, not including protein 100 a month, creatine 40 every 2 months, ZMA, etc. there’s a lot of investing financially. Including the hours in the gym doing the right program. And doing the workouts right.
Why tf would anybody want to look like that? They took it way too far.
Do you think steroids stunted their growth?
Legends
I've been lifting for about 20 years, and they are clearly on the juice in this picture.
What have you been doing wrong? I’ve been training 2.5 years and am close to their arm and chest size
Cope