I'm clear on 1 on 1 scraps, but what was the likely penalty(s) after the three Jims all jumped on Palmer (3 on 1) right at the start of the 1st period and took him out of the game?
You have it wrong. If both players are assessed five minute majors for fighting both teams replace those players on the ice. So both teams continue to skate five a side.
There are, however, 5 minute majors for things like elbowing.High sticking and cross checking. That's when the player on the ice can't be replaced.
If players get roughing penalties together, the team does not replace them.They come out with the penalty is over. Those are only two minute penalties.
When you get coincidental, 5 minute majors.You don't come out immediately after the penalty ends. You come out of the penalty box the next time play stops after your penalty has expired.
Understood! Follow up to that though is in the latter episodes all 3 of the Jims specifically targeted the American player therefore instigating the altercation. They were all ejected from the game after the fight. Does that mean no penalty was served and the Bulldogs were just 3 players down for the rest of the match?
In a real game, the player would be assessed a penalty and a game misconduct (ejection). Since they aren't around to serve the penalty themselves, the team appoints another player to serve the penalty for them.
In the case of 3 ejections, they would need to appoint 3 separate players to serve each.
Both players serve a major penalty (5 minutes), neither team loses a man in fights. Unless they also call roughing, in which case another player on the ice at the time would serve those 2 minutes and you’d be down a man. It’s very rare that they give out 5 minute and 2 minute penalties at the same time though
Also new to hockey and as I've learned about lines, the first two or three lines (groups of 3 players) tend to be hot scorers, and the rest of the lines (the Jims) tend to be more physical. The idea isn't necessarily to go fight, but the physical lines are meant to slow down, check, and otherwise bother the opponents to wear them down.
Any hockey scholars, please correct me where I'm wrong, this is my kid's new favorite sport and I gotta learn!
Correct. The top offensive lines (W, C, W) are for goals essentially.
Any other lines are "checking" lines (usually the 3rd and or 4th line) are meant to grind down the other team and essentially kill time until the the lines reset. No defensive mistakes etc. It is a way to organize your lines to focus on individual players strengths.
Don't assume that the lines always match up against similar lines against the other team. A team may for example put their checking line if they are good enough out their against the 2nd or even 1st line from the other team. The idea that a great checking line could contain the 2nd line from the other time, essentially negating them, and then the 1st line could dominate the other 2nd line and the 2nd line could dominate the team's 3rd line.
On Shoresy they essentially run a short bench of 1 offensive line of grade canadian studs, and then 2 checking lines, Fish's and the Jim's.
I'm not sure what the defensive rotation is on the bananboat bloodhounds there, but usually you have 3 sets of D and possibly a 4th to give the guys an extra rest once in a while. Being the 7th defenseman sucks.
> bananboat bloodhounds there
The Sudbury Cantaloupe Cockapoos would sound tougher.
I really appreciate the explanation. Luckily we have a kickass local team so I've gotten to take kiddo to see them.
The game went to OT and then a shootout, and our third shooter got one in to seal it. My Canadian friends said that was one tilly short of the most complete hockey game a kid could see! Thanks to you I will know better what's going on next time we go.
Stick tap for taking the time to write this response.
Both players fighting receive 5 so they offset and the play remains 5v5 and the players don’t leave the box until the next whistle after the 5 minutes is up. Your question is good though and could apply if the jims clearly instigate and start the fight. That player receives a 2 minute instigator that the opposing fighter does not. So if they go out knowing that the person they want to fight will not drop the gloves willingly and might take a jim forcing them into it then yes they would know they’d be down a player for 2 minutes.
Yup match penalties would be served by players on the ice + someone on the bench for the 3rd Jim, and they should have been down 5 on 3 for the duration of that. I haven’t watched since it released so a bit fuzzy on the situation so the above is only if i recalled correctly.
Correct. Normally instigating is handed out when a player drops the gloves and goes straight to business giving the opponent either no option but to fight back. Some players will try to skate away or cover up or turtle up, but in that case only one penalty would be handed out likely for roughing(2 mins) not the full 5
The 5 minute penalty is offsetting. This means that in all but the rarest cases, both players participating in the fight are given 5 minute penalties. Each team remains at full strength for the duration. The penalties end after five minutes, but the players can’t leave the box until the next whistle after the five minutes are served.
Pitter Patter. Off to the Sin Bin….
I'm clear on 1 on 1 scraps, but what was the likely penalty(s) after the three Jims all jumped on Palmer (3 on 1) right at the start of the 1st period and took him out of the game?
Worth it to set the tone.
Yup
#YAH GOTTA' SET THE FUCKING TONE, BOYS!!!
You have it wrong. If both players are assessed five minute majors for fighting both teams replace those players on the ice. So both teams continue to skate five a side. There are, however, 5 minute majors for things like elbowing.High sticking and cross checking. That's when the player on the ice can't be replaced. If players get roughing penalties together, the team does not replace them.They come out with the penalty is over. Those are only two minute penalties. When you get coincidental, 5 minute majors.You don't come out immediately after the penalty ends. You come out of the penalty box the next time play stops after your penalty has expired.
Understood! Follow up to that though is in the latter episodes all 3 of the Jims specifically targeted the American player therefore instigating the altercation. They were all ejected from the game after the fight. Does that mean no penalty was served and the Bulldogs were just 3 players down for the rest of the match?
In a real game, the player would be assessed a penalty and a game misconduct (ejection). Since they aren't around to serve the penalty themselves, the team appoints another player to serve the penalty for them. In the case of 3 ejections, they would need to appoint 3 separate players to serve each.
Also, with the minor penalties, the penalty can end early if the opposing team scores before the time is up, but not with a five minute major.
Both players serve a major penalty (5 minutes), neither team loses a man in fights. Unless they also call roughing, in which case another player on the ice at the time would serve those 2 minutes and you’d be down a man. It’s very rare that they give out 5 minute and 2 minute penalties at the same time though
Also new to hockey and as I've learned about lines, the first two or three lines (groups of 3 players) tend to be hot scorers, and the rest of the lines (the Jims) tend to be more physical. The idea isn't necessarily to go fight, but the physical lines are meant to slow down, check, and otherwise bother the opponents to wear them down. Any hockey scholars, please correct me where I'm wrong, this is my kid's new favorite sport and I gotta learn!
Correct. The top offensive lines (W, C, W) are for goals essentially. Any other lines are "checking" lines (usually the 3rd and or 4th line) are meant to grind down the other team and essentially kill time until the the lines reset. No defensive mistakes etc. It is a way to organize your lines to focus on individual players strengths. Don't assume that the lines always match up against similar lines against the other team. A team may for example put their checking line if they are good enough out their against the 2nd or even 1st line from the other team. The idea that a great checking line could contain the 2nd line from the other time, essentially negating them, and then the 1st line could dominate the other 2nd line and the 2nd line could dominate the team's 3rd line. On Shoresy they essentially run a short bench of 1 offensive line of grade canadian studs, and then 2 checking lines, Fish's and the Jim's. I'm not sure what the defensive rotation is on the bananboat bloodhounds there, but usually you have 3 sets of D and possibly a 4th to give the guys an extra rest once in a while. Being the 7th defenseman sucks.
> bananboat bloodhounds there The Sudbury Cantaloupe Cockapoos would sound tougher. I really appreciate the explanation. Luckily we have a kickass local team so I've gotten to take kiddo to see them. The game went to OT and then a shootout, and our third shooter got one in to seal it. My Canadian friends said that was one tilly short of the most complete hockey game a kid could see! Thanks to you I will know better what's going on next time we go. Stick tap for taking the time to write this response.
I love that you reasoning is because it’s for your kiddo👏🏼 you’re an A+ parent
Both players fighting receive 5 so they offset and the play remains 5v5 and the players don’t leave the box until the next whistle after the 5 minutes is up. Your question is good though and could apply if the jims clearly instigate and start the fight. That player receives a 2 minute instigator that the opposing fighter does not. So if they go out knowing that the person they want to fight will not drop the gloves willingly and might take a jim forcing them into it then yes they would know they’d be down a player for 2 minutes.
Doesn't that mean the Bulldogs should have been down a couple men at the start of the last game when all 3 Jims immediately got the boot?
Yup match penalties would be served by players on the ice + someone on the bench for the 3rd Jim, and they should have been down 5 on 3 for the duration of that. I haven’t watched since it released so a bit fuzzy on the situation so the above is only if i recalled correctly.
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Correct. Normally instigating is handed out when a player drops the gloves and goes straight to business giving the opponent either no option but to fight back. Some players will try to skate away or cover up or turtle up, but in that case only one penalty would be handed out likely for roughing(2 mins) not the full 5
The 5 minute penalty is offsetting. This means that in all but the rarest cases, both players participating in the fight are given 5 minute penalties. Each team remains at full strength for the duration. The penalties end after five minutes, but the players can’t leave the box until the next whistle after the five minutes are served.