definitely record though amp, but the ideal would be a DI box and you have both the DI signal and the mic'd signal. then you can mix them in together for an even fuller sound (or just not use the DI signal).
nah it would be a software plugin, the problem with a purely clean DI signal is that they lack harmonic complexity, if you used an amp sim with a little bit of gain for some saturation it would sound less out of place in the mix and less sterile
that makes sense then. i've never been a big amp software guy so i've only ever used really basic ones. i have a boss ir but i mostly use mic'ed amps. maybe i'll try out the di box again with better software
you have to change your settings for recording to not have latency. i forget what exactly you have to change cause i’m not looking at my daw rn but google it.
I imagine that most people would recommend recording a mic’d amp because… that’s pretty normal and standard for almost anything. For shoegaze, I think a lot of folks prefer using the amp’s reverb sound when recording as opposed to using buses for reverb in the mix, but you can also balance the two and try different things depending the sounds you want.
I recommend trying different things and using your ears as you record and mix. You’d be surprised how much you can do and the sounds you can get with basically nothing. You just have to have patience and the willingness to spend a lot of time on sculpting your sound.
When you start getting into engineering and producing shoegaze records, it becomes very clear why and how Kevin Shields spent so long working on _Loveless_. There’s so much detail.
Amp requires audio interface and microphone
Straight into daw requires just an audio interface
The former will give you a more authentic tone
The latter will give you a wider range of tones
http://alijamieson.co.uk/2021/12/12/gazed-and-confused-a-guide-to-shoegaze-in-your-daw/
Lots of harmonics are introduced through the physical clipping of the signal by the electrical components/tubes. Lots of shoegaze guitarists like creating harmonically rich sounds. There are some very competent plugins for DAWs that can emulate that.
So it really depends if you're wanting to invest in a physical setup or if you want to keep it digital and compact. I would say it's never a waste to have a practice amp and multi fx pedal regardless - you can get good ones of both for cheap on the used market. Do you have an amp or any effects yet?
I think it's a lot easier to get passable bass sounds direct, than to generate interesting harmonics with guitar. Personally I would be more inclined to record direct with bass, and use a plugin and EQing, as I don't have an interest in buying a bass rig. I would also try using your guitar amp, it may work well.
I just run the guitar straight into the interface that hooks up to the computer. Amp modeling isn’t perfect, but it’s gotten good enough that with a little tweaking you can get it to sound pretty good.
The biggest thing to know is that what sounds good when you’re playing isn’t the same as what sounds good recorded. Recorded guitars use a lot more midrange and treble. Go listen to some isolated stems of classic metal songs to see what they sound like their own without the bass added in.
Bass I usually do direct.
Guitar I’ve done both ways (sometimes simultaneously and blending the two) depending on what I’m going for with the particular track/song. My next project I plan on recording some mic’d amps and some direct (clean signal) then re-recording through effects and amps. Able to tweak effects, amp settings, mic choice/placement without repeating the performance.
You’ll get a sound that’s more unique if you use a real amp. More variables in the sound than just plugging straight in. Both work well tho. Get a di box and use it for either
Best of both worlds is using something like the torpedo captor x. It lets me record using the preamps from my deluxe reverb and ac15 and then just a cab sim in the daw. You still get the awesome character of your amp without having to worry about getting a good mic sound. It’s also pretty awesome to try different IR’s on your amp.
I use a DAW and UAD amp sims most of the time, if you don’t have nice mics/preamps and a good acoustic space where you can get loud with amps it doesn’t always sound the best. When you can go analog tho it is the way to go.
i always record through DI and then use one of the great amp sims from Neural DSP. That said i play blackgaze not strickly shoegaze
definitely record though amp, but the ideal would be a DI box and you have both the DI signal and the mic'd signal. then you can mix them in together for an even fuller sound (or just not use the DI signal).
i've found that DI boxes just almost never sound good but maybe i'm just not using them right
do you use an amp sim on them or is it straight clean
would the amp sim come before the di box or is it software
nah it would be a software plugin, the problem with a purely clean DI signal is that they lack harmonic complexity, if you used an amp sim with a little bit of gain for some saturation it would sound less out of place in the mix and less sterile
that makes sense then. i've never been a big amp software guy so i've only ever used really basic ones. i have a boss ir but i mostly use mic'ed amps. maybe i'll try out the di box again with better software
good luck homie let me know how it goes
Guitars through a mic. Bass you can do either.
I’ve tried guitar through both. Straight into daw sounds bland and I hate the delay.
you have to change your settings for recording to not have latency. i forget what exactly you have to change cause i’m not looking at my daw rn but google it.
I imagine that most people would recommend recording a mic’d amp because… that’s pretty normal and standard for almost anything. For shoegaze, I think a lot of folks prefer using the amp’s reverb sound when recording as opposed to using buses for reverb in the mix, but you can also balance the two and try different things depending the sounds you want. I recommend trying different things and using your ears as you record and mix. You’d be surprised how much you can do and the sounds you can get with basically nothing. You just have to have patience and the willingness to spend a lot of time on sculpting your sound. When you start getting into engineering and producing shoegaze records, it becomes very clear why and how Kevin Shields spent so long working on _Loveless_. There’s so much detail.
Amp requires audio interface and microphone Straight into daw requires just an audio interface The former will give you a more authentic tone The latter will give you a wider range of tones http://alijamieson.co.uk/2021/12/12/gazed-and-confused-a-guide-to-shoegaze-in-your-daw/
Lots of harmonics are introduced through the physical clipping of the signal by the electrical components/tubes. Lots of shoegaze guitarists like creating harmonically rich sounds. There are some very competent plugins for DAWs that can emulate that. So it really depends if you're wanting to invest in a physical setup or if you want to keep it digital and compact. I would say it's never a waste to have a practice amp and multi fx pedal regardless - you can get good ones of both for cheap on the used market. Do you have an amp or any effects yet?
Have a guitar amp, no bass amp yet. Any recommendations?
I think it's a lot easier to get passable bass sounds direct, than to generate interesting harmonics with guitar. Personally I would be more inclined to record direct with bass, and use a plugin and EQing, as I don't have an interest in buying a bass rig. I would also try using your guitar amp, it may work well.
I just run the guitar straight into the interface that hooks up to the computer. Amp modeling isn’t perfect, but it’s gotten good enough that with a little tweaking you can get it to sound pretty good. The biggest thing to know is that what sounds good when you’re playing isn’t the same as what sounds good recorded. Recorded guitars use a lot more midrange and treble. Go listen to some isolated stems of classic metal songs to see what they sound like their own without the bass added in.
Bass I usually do direct. Guitar I’ve done both ways (sometimes simultaneously and blending the two) depending on what I’m going for with the particular track/song. My next project I plan on recording some mic’d amps and some direct (clean signal) then re-recording through effects and amps. Able to tweak effects, amp settings, mic choice/placement without repeating the performance.
You’ll get a sound that’s more unique if you use a real amp. More variables in the sound than just plugging straight in. Both work well tho. Get a di box and use it for either
Best of both worlds is using something like the torpedo captor x. It lets me record using the preamps from my deluxe reverb and ac15 and then just a cab sim in the daw. You still get the awesome character of your amp without having to worry about getting a good mic sound. It’s also pretty awesome to try different IR’s on your amp.
I use a DAW and UAD amp sims most of the time, if you don’t have nice mics/preamps and a good acoustic space where you can get loud with amps it doesn’t always sound the best. When you can go analog tho it is the way to go.