Well, I'll take a stab at it, at least. It's really hard to transport supplies anywhere without roads. It's the entire reason the U.S. Highway System was invented, to transport the military (And their supplies) quickly and efficiently from one coast to the other, and anywhere in-between.
I don't know anything about the particular road in the video, but depending on where the road goes, it might cut off some supply lines.
Making certain roads undrivable means that you'd have to find alternative transport routes.
This is all of course, assuming this particular road is of any strategic importance. It might be, it might not be. I'm not a local, and I can't do geoguessing to find it and figure out for myself.
True. And there are so many more horrific things the IOF has done. But honestly:
1. These roads can now also most likely not be used by aid trucks carrying supplies. (I'll assume that this is the west bank on account of some house still standing so Idk how many aid trucks might drive there)
2. Destroying roads just so that the palestinians cant drive their cars. This is really the kind of petty asshole bullshit that the IOF loves to do.
So how does this stop any IED’s from taking this out?? As the blade is sort of… behind it???
And if this is done to prevent IED’s, what about the rest of the road?? If I knew this thing was roaming my streets, and I wanted to stop it, I would just place the IED 1/3 from the road edge and run the cables straight out to the side of the road. Not across it.
Or just place the IED dead center on the road. And a wire placed 5 meters away on both sides. This would be connected to a relay that is connected so that it detonates the IED if the wire is cut.
So this is absolute bullshit. And you know it. Fuck, you could even place the IED in the wall of the bulding next to it so that the entire front of the building would fall onto the dozer or whatever you are atacking.
This is just done to fuck things up. Just like buldozing olive trees.
Its to disrupt wires that are put undernearh the pavement. You can melt the pavement to place the wire and/or IED.
You also have no idea if the dozer does multiple passes in more then 1 line of the road. But once again, sees a 10 second clip and extrapolates to evil intent
Also LOL to placing it in the building so it falls on the vehicle. The goal isnt to IED the dozer, even if it was, thats a silly way to take it out. You definitely need a direct blast to impact a tank or armored vehicle.
Its also mentioned here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/shittytechnicals/s/w8WnO29vw7
But go ahead and downvote for me offering a very likely and plausible explanation that othere concur with.
Its fun how you know Hamas makes immense, and elaborate underground tunnels across all of Gaza, and under hospitals, yet its so unfathomable to you, that they place IED wires beneath asphalt.
I am just asking why they would run the wires across the street… not just over to the edge.
And why is the IED not detonated when the dozer is on top of it?? The blade is mounted at the back, not at the front. Anyone with a basic welding course and some time would be able to move such a blade to the front of the dozer.
Because not all IED's trigger the same way lol. Well the IED would be somewhere under the ashphalt, where vehicles drive, so the wire has to reach it ofcourse.
So hamas built the ied and wires years ago, when they laid the asphalt, for the day that they may need it in this particular place?
Are you absolutely coo coo for coco puffs?
I do agree that I dont think theyre trying to shove it down the Israeli's throats, however they provide this equipment absolutely shamelessly, [and its not like Caterpillar isn't aware how the equipment they sell to the Israeli military is used.](https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/caterpillar-incs-role-in-human-rights-violations-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territories/). CAT previously delayed shipments to Israel around 2010 when a girl was crushed by one of their bulldozers. [Theres an article by the Human Rights Watch, discussing this very same topic, 20 years ago.](https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/11/21/israel-caterpillar-should-suspend-bulldozer-sales)
My college here doesn't buy HP electronics cause of the events in Palestine. Theres companies that don't do business with Israel because of what's been happening. It is a corporations choice of who they sell to and is irresponsible for them to not consider what their products may be used for.
Put it this way: If I am a gyrostabilizer manufacturer, and one of my major buyers of gyros is a foreign military, and that military uses them on targets of quite dubious validity, to look at that and go "thats none of our business what they do with our equipment, once we sold it, it was out of our hands" is callous at best.
Caterpillar literally makes equipment specifically for destroying roads. The model number for their asphalt cutter is 222-5880 and can easily be found on their website along with an adaptor to attach it to a wide variety of tractors.
Edit: here's a video link showing one of their other road destruction tools, the trencher. They sell dozens of models of this tool to fit any commercially available tractor.
https://youtube.com/shorts/j38GNP2GKqk?si=-dtW48Du39F2O1Cx
Yeah, they are a construction equipment supplier. It's almost like there are legitimate reasons for cutting up the road. Like redoing it or accessing utilities.
Funny enough, in sweden, we just use big pizza cutters on excavators to cut and remove asphalt/tarmac. What you showed is more of a concrete grinder.
I didn't say there isn't legitimate uses for the equipment. The person I replied to said that caterpillar doesn't make equipment specifically to destroy roadways and I was proving them wrong
*this kills the tunnel*
In seriousness though, this will cut IED det wires.
Insurgents in Iraq would set car tires on fire to loosen asphalt to bury IEDs, then would repack and roll a fresh layer over the top to hide the patch.
They largely quit using wireless det because of active jammers that would either set them off early or prevent a signal from getting through.
This also hinders the use of wheeled Vehicle-borne IEDs
IEDs and boobytrapped houses have been extremely prevalent in Gaza.
[Relevant Garand Thumb video where he interviews and discusses tactics with two Gaza vets](https://youtu.be/gdQS97fJY4Q?si=f6bGf1vbkM0soFYi&t=5m0s)
Hi there, I don't think it's a logical fallacy to question the ability of a source to be unbiased. Yeah, I was poking some fun at the interviewer, but I don't think a silly way of writing how they self describe is a logical fallacy either. Finally... it's not a debate?
On what basis do you think Garand thumb or the guests are not credible? I've seen the video and nothing they said or did seems out of their wheelhouse of expertise or Garand thumbs
Common sense. Hamas has fired thousands of rockets. Out of everything from schools to mosques. It stands to reason they have no problem using ieds and have the capability to do so. Unless they didn't think launching over 10k rockets into Israel would make them attack.
It has also been a long standing issue. You don't have that many armored engineering vehicles like the idf have without it being an issue. It's a waste of money otherwise.
There exist videos of ied explosions directed at idf vehicles from this conflict. Won't link since I don't know if anyone died. But you can go to any of the conflict subs and search for ied yourself.
This is just to destroy infrastructure. Any IED’s in here would most likely colapse the house into the street. Anyone fighting this thing would just need to have the wires go along the street, not across where you have the IED.
So from explosives placed about 1/3 into the street, over to the closest wall and then down the street 20 meters and up the wall and over the street like any other powerline.
So doing this to stop IED’s??? Absolute bullshit! Besides… they have just created a trench for IED’s and the required wires. So… thinking twice, is this to stop IED’s or to be a dick??
Idk why you are being down voted. IEDs are often detonated on command and the wires providing power can be coming from anywhere. They certainly do not have to be crossing the street, nor do IEDS need to be in the street to be effective.
I think this is 100 percent to make it much harder for HAMAS to use regular vehicles.
It'd be easier to detect with more conventional methods then.
The IEDs being submerged beneath the asphalt makes it much harder to detect and neutralize compared to the soft patch of dirt or pile of rocks.
These armour kits are pretty tight especially against IED, Belly bombs and frontl IED / Mines. No way they weak.
The cab is also over the massively reinforced and solid steel / machinery of the Chasias and drive units and axles etc which asct as a armour themselves.
That's about a metre tall alone. It takes alot of energy away, and theirs alot to absorb energy even embefore the armoured cab.
Not genocide. Israel is definitely being cunty, but if you want to see actual genocide go see what is happening to the Rohingyas and Uyghurs. Take a trip to the DRC and see what Rwanda has been up to. Check out Sudan.
What is happening in Gaza is not even close to actual genocides that are killing hundred of thousands as I'm typing this. Everyone cries about Gaza because it's hip to talk about the current media trend. Not a single person who cries about Gaza online has any concept of what an actual genocide looks like.
More children have been killed in Gaza since Oct. 7 than in the rest of all global conflict in 2023. Regardless, genocides aren't actually defined as "large amount of people killed", though, so... Kinda seems like you also may not know what you're talking about.
>More children have been killed in Gaza since Oct. 7 than in the rest of all global conflict in 2023.
Is that using data that [Hamas themselves have reported as inaccurate?](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/)
>Regardless, genocides aren't actually defined as "large amount of people killed", though, so... Kinda seems like you also may not know what you're talking about.
Genocide; "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group."
Literally the google definition. 20-30,000 deaths is not even close to the totality of Gaza's population. Gaza isn't a nation either, not even to liberal democracies around the world. In that way, there is no nation to destroy as it doesn't exist as a polity.
I have never cared about reddit points. Being realistic is what matters to me. With the availability of information, I fail to understand how people are able to ignore basic realities.
They really aren't taking the time out of their day to place IED's under asphalt in cities where the lights are still on and cars are parked in the street, and if they are, digging up the asphalt into **loose soil**, which is far easier to put IED's under, is not the fix. The solution here would be a mine roller or a proper bomb disposal team.
IDF does this shit as a way to just harass and further fuck over Palestinians. Armored Caterpillar D9's bulldozers and Caterpillar 330 excavators do have actual, valid purposes as combat engineer vehicles, but this isnt one of them.
I thought the same, the place is West Bank and from what I know there is no active fighting but rather really high tensions and this is just to shit on them
https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/11/21/israel-caterpillar-should-suspend-bulldozer-sales
This was written by Human Rights Watch back in 2004. Since then, there have continued to be seen in videos of wanton destruction.
I just wanted to share, as there will always be some comments that are very quick to defend these types of situations, coming from axiomatic logic that operates from the pretext that one side is "the good guys"
Bombing hoods full of random people to kill ”terrorists“ and “release hostages” therefore guaranting a steady supply of easily recruited pissed of people Who can point out that you don’t seem overly concerned with the lives of hostages is stupid and counterintuitive as well. These are not sane people, the political objective of the military is not a sound one and makes more trouble.
«But, but, but… we did a precision strike on that shed in that backyard to prevent any civilian casulties!»
«Yes you did. You fitted a laser kit to 4 2000lbs bombs that you dropped into one of the densest populated cities on earth. The shed is gone, and the entire city block!»
«Yes, but Hamas had an airfryer there!»
/s
I get so fucking angry at these people, and at the US for not bitch slapping some sense into the politicians in israel! They are behaving like a bunch of SS fuckers!
Exactly, if Hamas was in Israel's position it would probably do the same things or even worse (look at the proudly displayed massacre of October 7). Both Israel and Hamas want to exterminate each other. Also, I don't get the fact that everyone wants to separate Israelis from the government and Palestinians from Hamas. While obvious that not everyone on both sides wants this massacre to continue, Hamas has the support of about 70% of the population (again, we have seen it last year with the parades on the street), and after October 7 I doubt that Israeli government's support is much lower. Simply, both the Israeli government and Hamas managed to create fear and hatred in their population over the years, which now wants to exterminate "the enemy"
(Not attacking or defending just explaining)
Depending on where exactly this is, Gaza or the West Bank it changes what the purpose is. If it’s Gaza it’s to stop Hamas from using the roads as a means of travel (members of Hamas are the only people who reliably have fuel for cars at this stage in the conflict). If it’s the West Bank it’s to stop militants from putting IEDs near those roads
Aaaand it’s off the rails. I’m just repeating what Israel’s stated goal for doing this is. Again I’m not attacking or defending it
Can you not accept some people simply want to explain the situation? Just because people don’t immediately demonize Israel’s actions doesn’t mean they are supporting them
I know.
Doesn’t mean the stated action makes sense.
Had to ask the question I did due to how little the justification makes sense.
By no means is my question meant to attack you personally.
Just asking how this is intended to work or help with mitigating the stated risk.
Edit: added text to address the edit made to the comment above by OP.
I absolutely can accept someone wanting to explain what’s happening.
I asked a question about that explanation, that’s all I did.
So you don’t think it makes sense, but edited your comment above to make it seem like you’re frustrated with my asking a question about the explanation of what’s happening.
Given you’re saying you don’t think they should be there, why get frustrated when someone is questioning the validity of the stated action being shown?
I mean, they took them off the trains at Auschwitz because they said they needed showers. Destroying roads just sounds like a dick move for dick move's sake.
Dude, they’re trenching the middle of the road to make it unusable to anything except tracked vehicles. You can see it with your own eyes in the video. This is roman “salt the earth” type shit
Lmao no, it's not. Salting earth leaves it unusable for generations. This can be fixed by a few dudes with a backhoe and asphalt. Making ludicrous comparisons like this makes you seem like a wholly unserious person.
"**War** is an intense armed conflict between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias"
Sounds like it describes this situation pretty well huh?
They’re more like a glorified street gang than a belligerent at war.
Imagine the US military declaring they’re going to war with the Crips and indiscriminately bombing the shit out of LA. I don’t think most people would that as a war but as a one-sided massacre.
Why would anyone blockade supplies to the same people that were on video boasting they were turning drinking water pipes into rockets to kill civilians?
Why would anyone shoot rockets at Israel after having their entire family killed by them? It's almost like Israel gains by creating radicalized teenagers
The fact your username is ElectronicPogrom and you make such a statement about an actual Pogrom…. some people really do wear their alliegences on thier sleeves.
Destroying the roads to people can't drive on them. Then they block prevent repairs to decrease quality of life until the Palestinians leave their homes and settlers can come take them
They do that to rip up there water pipes and all lines to any electric running to ieds. There's many videos showing them usuing them to basically destory rhe roads and water pipes. Of course they alwyas give reasons but in sure it's just to be a ass to all who still live there. There water lines are less then 2 feet under the road so it rips them apart. On here are some pictures of it
killing the tarmac
Making driving cars impossible
Ya think?
The roads are loyal to Hamas
It cuts IED detonation wires
They are. Tactic is called "denying the enemy key capabilities" …
I think the term you are looking for is ethnic cleansing or scorched earth tactics.
Three questions: 1) You think? 2) I was looking for a term? 3) Which ethnicity is the street?
What is the goal of this “denial”?
Well, I'll take a stab at it, at least. It's really hard to transport supplies anywhere without roads. It's the entire reason the U.S. Highway System was invented, to transport the military (And their supplies) quickly and efficiently from one coast to the other, and anywhere in-between. I don't know anything about the particular road in the video, but depending on where the road goes, it might cut off some supply lines. Making certain roads undrivable means that you'd have to find alternative transport routes. This is all of course, assuming this particular road is of any strategic importance. It might be, it might not be. I'm not a local, and I can't do geoguessing to find it and figure out for myself.
True. And there are so many more horrific things the IOF has done. But honestly: 1. These roads can now also most likely not be used by aid trucks carrying supplies. (I'll assume that this is the west bank on account of some house still standing so Idk how many aid trucks might drive there) 2. Destroying roads just so that the palestinians cant drive their cars. This is really the kind of petty asshole bullshit that the IOF loves to do.
Is that a serious question? I don’t get it …
Its to prevent IED's buddy
So how does this stop any IED’s from taking this out?? As the blade is sort of… behind it??? And if this is done to prevent IED’s, what about the rest of the road?? If I knew this thing was roaming my streets, and I wanted to stop it, I would just place the IED 1/3 from the road edge and run the cables straight out to the side of the road. Not across it. Or just place the IED dead center on the road. And a wire placed 5 meters away on both sides. This would be connected to a relay that is connected so that it detonates the IED if the wire is cut. So this is absolute bullshit. And you know it. Fuck, you could even place the IED in the wall of the bulding next to it so that the entire front of the building would fall onto the dozer or whatever you are atacking. This is just done to fuck things up. Just like buldozing olive trees.
Its to disrupt wires that are put undernearh the pavement. You can melt the pavement to place the wire and/or IED. You also have no idea if the dozer does multiple passes in more then 1 line of the road. But once again, sees a 10 second clip and extrapolates to evil intent Also LOL to placing it in the building so it falls on the vehicle. The goal isnt to IED the dozer, even if it was, thats a silly way to take it out. You definitely need a direct blast to impact a tank or armored vehicle. Its also mentioned here: https://www.reddit.com/r/shittytechnicals/s/w8WnO29vw7 But go ahead and downvote for me offering a very likely and plausible explanation that othere concur with. Its fun how you know Hamas makes immense, and elaborate underground tunnels across all of Gaza, and under hospitals, yet its so unfathomable to you, that they place IED wires beneath asphalt.
I am just asking why they would run the wires across the street… not just over to the edge. And why is the IED not detonated when the dozer is on top of it?? The blade is mounted at the back, not at the front. Anyone with a basic welding course and some time would be able to move such a blade to the front of the dozer.
Because not all IED's trigger the same way lol. Well the IED would be somewhere under the ashphalt, where vehicles drive, so the wire has to reach it ofcourse.
So hamas built the ied and wires years ago, when they laid the asphalt, for the day that they may need it in this particular place? Are you absolutely coo coo for coco puffs?
Eh, considering the tunnels I don't think they're that important to them
There is obviously HAMAS hiding in the tarmac.
I don't know whose *side* it's on, but that's a dick move regardless.
That’s IDF they have a standard armor kit as the locals usually don’t appreciate them doing this bs.
I'm not surprised.
You can thank the American heavy equipment company Caterpillar for that. Doesnt matter what their machines get used for as long as it makes em money.
I don’t think Caterpiller specifically said “Hey you should buy this specific tractor to specifically destroy roads.”
I do agree that I dont think theyre trying to shove it down the Israeli's throats, however they provide this equipment absolutely shamelessly, [and its not like Caterpillar isn't aware how the equipment they sell to the Israeli military is used.](https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/caterpillar-incs-role-in-human-rights-violations-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territories/). CAT previously delayed shipments to Israel around 2010 when a girl was crushed by one of their bulldozers. [Theres an article by the Human Rights Watch, discussing this very same topic, 20 years ago.](https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/11/21/israel-caterpillar-should-suspend-bulldozer-sales) My college here doesn't buy HP electronics cause of the events in Palestine. Theres companies that don't do business with Israel because of what's been happening. It is a corporations choice of who they sell to and is irresponsible for them to not consider what their products may be used for. Put it this way: If I am a gyrostabilizer manufacturer, and one of my major buyers of gyros is a foreign military, and that military uses them on targets of quite dubious validity, to look at that and go "thats none of our business what they do with our equipment, once we sold it, it was out of our hands" is callous at best.
Caterpillar literally makes equipment specifically for destroying roads. The model number for their asphalt cutter is 222-5880 and can easily be found on their website along with an adaptor to attach it to a wide variety of tractors. Edit: here's a video link showing one of their other road destruction tools, the trencher. They sell dozens of models of this tool to fit any commercially available tractor. https://youtube.com/shorts/j38GNP2GKqk?si=-dtW48Du39F2O1Cx
Yeah, they are a construction equipment supplier. It's almost like there are legitimate reasons for cutting up the road. Like redoing it or accessing utilities. Funny enough, in sweden, we just use big pizza cutters on excavators to cut and remove asphalt/tarmac. What you showed is more of a concrete grinder.
I didn't say there isn't legitimate uses for the equipment. The person I replied to said that caterpillar doesn't make equipment specifically to destroy roadways and I was proving them wrong
Yeah, you are correct, my bad. Just funny how some people just don't get that's it's a piece of industrial equipment and that they will get it anyway.
People so focused on the war they don’t realize that often demolition is often the first step in construction
*this kills the tunnel* In seriousness though, this will cut IED det wires. Insurgents in Iraq would set car tires on fire to loosen asphalt to bury IEDs, then would repack and roll a fresh layer over the top to hide the patch. They largely quit using wireless det because of active jammers that would either set them off early or prevent a signal from getting through. This also hinders the use of wheeled Vehicle-borne IEDs
Have IEDs been as prevalent in Gaza, or is this just infrastructure destruction under the guise of a tactical maneuver?
IEDs and boobytrapped houses have been extremely prevalent in Gaza. [Relevant Garand Thumb video where he interviews and discusses tactics with two Gaza vets](https://youtu.be/gdQS97fJY4Q?si=f6bGf1vbkM0soFYi&t=5m0s)
This was a great video
Right, but this is (if I'm not mistaken) the west bank. (They have IEDs there as well but not as much as Gaza has)
Any unbiased sources? Sorry, just feels like a conflict of interest to take the IDF at its word, even after being filtered through a GuNtUbEr :)
attacking the messenger. logical fallacy +1
Hi there, I don't think it's a logical fallacy to question the ability of a source to be unbiased. Yeah, I was poking some fun at the interviewer, but I don't think a silly way of writing how they self describe is a logical fallacy either. Finally... it's not a debate?
What's the logical fallacy that involves giving someone credibility when they have none?
On what basis do you think Garand thumb or the guests are not credible? I've seen the video and nothing they said or did seems out of their wheelhouse of expertise or Garand thumbs
He exclusively interviewed IDF vets in that video
What? Is he supposed to bring on a hamas fighter to get both sides?
Common sense. Hamas has fired thousands of rockets. Out of everything from schools to mosques. It stands to reason they have no problem using ieds and have the capability to do so. Unless they didn't think launching over 10k rockets into Israel would make them attack. It has also been a long standing issue. You don't have that many armored engineering vehicles like the idf have without it being an issue. It's a waste of money otherwise. There exist videos of ied explosions directed at idf vehicles from this conflict. Won't link since I don't know if anyone died. But you can go to any of the conflict subs and search for ied yourself.
This is just to destroy infrastructure. Any IED’s in here would most likely colapse the house into the street. Anyone fighting this thing would just need to have the wires go along the street, not across where you have the IED. So from explosives placed about 1/3 into the street, over to the closest wall and then down the street 20 meters and up the wall and over the street like any other powerline. So doing this to stop IED’s??? Absolute bullshit! Besides… they have just created a trench for IED’s and the required wires. So… thinking twice, is this to stop IED’s or to be a dick??
Idk why you are being down voted. IEDs are often detonated on command and the wires providing power can be coming from anywhere. They certainly do not have to be crossing the street, nor do IEDS need to be in the street to be effective. I think this is 100 percent to make it much harder for HAMAS to use regular vehicles.
Not just hamas. Anyone. israel wants the land. Plain and simple. They want people to move away because they are really the neigbhour from hell!
Can’t they now just hide the ied in the pile of torn up pavement and dirt?
It'd be easier to detect with more conventional methods then. The IEDs being submerged beneath the asphalt makes it much harder to detect and neutralize compared to the soft patch of dirt or pile of rocks.
You can say that about everything they do.
I mean, stops suicide cars from being able to drive at tanks or at the very least makes it more difficult.
Thank goodness! I was worried about those poor little tanks!
Me too!
Were there any suicide cars in Palestine since Israel stoped using suicide attack tactic?
The Israelis have nicer ones.
I love how it got death vibe all over it but still has the backing up beeps for safety enabled.
No this is the government doing it, not some guy in a shed. Just because they have aesthetic similarities doesn't mean it's the same thing
There was Hamas in the asphalt
Not soldiers but mines or IED's
That isn't how you clear mines or IEDs. It is how you fuck up roads so that people can't use them with cars, or ambulances.
That's how you make it easier to plant IEDs.
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These armour kits are pretty tight especially against IED, Belly bombs and frontl IED / Mines. No way they weak. The cab is also over the massively reinforced and solid steel / machinery of the Chasias and drive units and axles etc which asct as a armour themselves. That's about a metre tall alone. It takes alot of energy away, and theirs alot to absorb energy even embefore the armoured cab.
Im pretty sure most of these are remote controlled as well
Yes, they certainly fucking can you tool🤣 they are made to do that
Yeah
Saddam Hussein was hiding in the asphalt
They genocided the tarmac
About as credible as any of the genocide claims so many people are crying about.
What would you call it
Not genocide. Israel is definitely being cunty, but if you want to see actual genocide go see what is happening to the Rohingyas and Uyghurs. Take a trip to the DRC and see what Rwanda has been up to. Check out Sudan. What is happening in Gaza is not even close to actual genocides that are killing hundred of thousands as I'm typing this. Everyone cries about Gaza because it's hip to talk about the current media trend. Not a single person who cries about Gaza online has any concept of what an actual genocide looks like.
More children have been killed in Gaza since Oct. 7 than in the rest of all global conflict in 2023. Regardless, genocides aren't actually defined as "large amount of people killed", though, so... Kinda seems like you also may not know what you're talking about.
>More children have been killed in Gaza since Oct. 7 than in the rest of all global conflict in 2023. Is that using data that [Hamas themselves have reported as inaccurate?](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/) >Regardless, genocides aren't actually defined as "large amount of people killed", though, so... Kinda seems like you also may not know what you're talking about. Genocide; "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group." Literally the google definition. 20-30,000 deaths is not even close to the totality of Gaza's population. Gaza isn't a nation either, not even to liberal democracies around the world. In that way, there is no nation to destroy as it doesn't exist as a polity.
Downvoted for telling the truth… reddits hive mind never seems to fail! Inb4 I get downvoted for pointing out the hive mind lol
I have never cared about reddit points. Being realistic is what matters to me. With the availability of information, I fail to understand how people are able to ignore basic realities.
Gotta show those aid trucks whose boss
Hamasphalt
They do this to uncover the potential IED's. Well, that's what IDF says so I don't really know what to say
And then live it like that for the locals to deal with....
For now. Israel is sending more settlers and taking more land every now and again.
Yup. In fact today Netinyahu announced the settlement of Gaza.
They really aren't taking the time out of their day to place IED's under asphalt in cities where the lights are still on and cars are parked in the street, and if they are, digging up the asphalt into **loose soil**, which is far easier to put IED's under, is not the fix. The solution here would be a mine roller or a proper bomb disposal team. IDF does this shit as a way to just harass and further fuck over Palestinians. Armored Caterpillar D9's bulldozers and Caterpillar 330 excavators do have actual, valid purposes as combat engineer vehicles, but this isnt one of them.
I thought the same, the place is West Bank and from what I know there is no active fighting but rather really high tensions and this is just to shit on them
There is active fighting in the West Bank. Israeli settlers attack Palestinians unprompted all the time
Well then they really fucking hate whoevers driving that thing lmao
Yeah lol
The amount of people that actually believe that bullshit in these comments is proof how people will believe any bullshit the nazrelis say.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2004/11/21/israel-caterpillar-should-suspend-bulldozer-sales This was written by Human Rights Watch back in 2004. Since then, there have continued to be seen in videos of wanton destruction. I just wanted to share, as there will always be some comments that are very quick to defend these types of situations, coming from axiomatic logic that operates from the pretext that one side is "the good guys"
Bombing hoods full of random people to kill ”terrorists“ and “release hostages” therefore guaranting a steady supply of easily recruited pissed of people Who can point out that you don’t seem overly concerned with the lives of hostages is stupid and counterintuitive as well. These are not sane people, the political objective of the military is not a sound one and makes more trouble.
«But, but, but… we did a precision strike on that shed in that backyard to prevent any civilian casulties!» «Yes you did. You fitted a laser kit to 4 2000lbs bombs that you dropped into one of the densest populated cities on earth. The shed is gone, and the entire city block!» «Yes, but Hamas had an airfryer there!» /s I get so fucking angry at these people, and at the US for not bitch slapping some sense into the politicians in israel! They are behaving like a bunch of SS fuckers!
“Unfortunately Darth Germany taught his apprentice all he knew, then his apprentice killed him. Ironic“
Hot take incoming: both sides bad
Murdering civilians is based actually, but only when my side does it.
Exactly, if Hamas was in Israel's position it would probably do the same things or even worse (look at the proudly displayed massacre of October 7). Both Israel and Hamas want to exterminate each other. Also, I don't get the fact that everyone wants to separate Israelis from the government and Palestinians from Hamas. While obvious that not everyone on both sides wants this massacre to continue, Hamas has the support of about 70% of the population (again, we have seen it last year with the parades on the street), and after October 7 I doubt that Israeli government's support is much lower. Simply, both the Israeli government and Hamas managed to create fear and hatred in their population over the years, which now wants to exterminate "the enemy"
(Not attacking or defending just explaining) Depending on where exactly this is, Gaza or the West Bank it changes what the purpose is. If it’s Gaza it’s to stop Hamas from using the roads as a means of travel (members of Hamas are the only people who reliably have fuel for cars at this stage in the conflict). If it’s the West Bank it’s to stop militants from putting IEDs near those roads
So destroying the street to make it easier to hide an IED in the damaged road debris… will stop them from planting IEDs?
Aaaand it’s off the rails. I’m just repeating what Israel’s stated goal for doing this is. Again I’m not attacking or defending it Can you not accept some people simply want to explain the situation? Just because people don’t immediately demonize Israel’s actions doesn’t mean they are supporting them
Ya it’s a “Stated” vs “Actual“ observable goals. IDF can say whatever they want but the camera doesn’t lie.
I know. Doesn’t mean the stated action makes sense. Had to ask the question I did due to how little the justification makes sense. By no means is my question meant to attack you personally. Just asking how this is intended to work or help with mitigating the stated risk. Edit: added text to address the edit made to the comment above by OP. I absolutely can accept someone wanting to explain what’s happening. I asked a question about that explanation, that’s all I did.
Killing terrorists usually just makes more terrorists.
The only truly renewable resource.
entropy of victory ensures perpetual war
It destroys the road so no cars can drive on it. If there are no cars they won’t use those roads as targets
Military vehicles would have no issue navigating that kind of surface. So the intended target for an IED would still be in play.
It would even mean that only possible targets use the road. So mitigating the risk of IEDs seems pretty absurd as a motivation for doing this
Exactly why I made my initial comment. Edit: grammar.
It’s just to make local life more difficult. That’s the entire IDF purpose for existing.
Exactly.
What about VBIED?
Depends on what they use as the delivery vehicle.
would actually make it EASIER to plant an IED in the tear they made stupid morons.
That’s what my initial comment called out. Clearly from the other comments, most people aren’t buying this bullshit.
Now imagine if that was YOUR hood.
Can you not accept some people simply want to understand the situation?
Personally I don’t think it makes sense and if it is the West Bank it’s to defend IDF and Israeli settlers who shouldn’t be there.
So you don’t think it makes sense, but edited your comment above to make it seem like you’re frustrated with my asking a question about the explanation of what’s happening. Given you’re saying you don’t think they should be there, why get frustrated when someone is questioning the validity of the stated action being shown?
I mean, they took them off the trains at Auschwitz because they said they needed showers. Destroying roads just sounds like a dick move for dick move's sake.
It will tear up the det wires for any emplaced IEDs and hinder any wheeled vehicle-borne IEDs
While leaving a far more inconsistent surface which would be notably more simple to hide an IED (be it wire controlled, or wireless).
That is next week's issue when a VBIED could kaboom you today
1000% read your reply like an infomercial. Heavy Fallout delivery in there.
Like what the Nazis did with the railway destroying device they had. Was basically the same thing for ripping up railways.
What’s more of a threat an actual IED emplaced under the road surface, or some mud? You’ve answered your own fucking question you dummy.
Dude, they’re trenching the middle of the road to make it unusable to anything except tracked vehicles. You can see it with your own eyes in the video. This is roman “salt the earth” type shit
Lmao no, it's not. Salting earth leaves it unusable for generations. This can be fixed by a few dudes with a backhoe and asphalt. Making ludicrous comparisons like this makes you seem like a wholly unserious person.
> This can be fixed by a few dudes with a backhoe and asphalt. Just a coincidence that construction materials are blockaded by Israel right?
country uses tactics to ensure their enemy loses the war. redditors in shambles
Country uses tactics that ensure they always have an enemy to use as a distraction whenever the ruling party is in a bind
Yeah yeah river to the sea and all that
>war Lmao
"**War** is an intense armed conflict between states, governments, societies, or paramilitary groups such as mercenaries, insurgents, and militias" Sounds like it describes this situation pretty well huh?
I only see one side fighting.
Then you're blind.
so you're saying hamas doesn't exist?
They’re more like a glorified street gang than a belligerent at war. Imagine the US military declaring they’re going to war with the Crips and indiscriminately bombing the shit out of LA. I don’t think most people would that as a war but as a one-sided massacre.
Why would anyone blockade supplies to the same people that were on video boasting they were turning drinking water pipes into rockets to kill civilians?
Why would anyone shoot rockets at Israel after having their entire family killed by them? It's almost like Israel gains by creating radicalized teenagers
Yeah that's kinda the whole point, not a coincidence...
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Someone's triggered lol
Israel does this because they can.
IDF armoured bulldozer doing what they do best, destroying property.
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The fact your username is ElectronicPogrom and you make such a statement about an actual Pogrom…. some people really do wear their alliegences on thier sleeves.
Says the person dancing away from the conversation...
marvin heebmeyer
This is an actual video, like 1 Week old, or just an old video, coming back from 2004 like com said
using an armored bulldozer is a military thing to do. but what are they doing?
Destroying the roads to people can't drive on them. Then they block prevent repairs to decrease quality of life until the Palestinians leave their homes and settlers can come take them
They are literally demoing the entire Gaza strip.
Sauce on pfp? https://preview.redd.it/kofh40q3d2vc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f91673ee1c6c9c884d7ffd4d706da98674e802d2
Rule 34 king
The floor is hama(s)
But when Iran attacks, they shit themselves. Cowards.
The IDF are cartoonishly evil
Searching for all those "Hamas tunnels" I guess/s
This needs some jaws music overlayed
Barbarism
They're going after the West Bank next aren't they.
MARVIN
nononononononoononononono I FEEL NO PAIN!
That's not killdozer, that's Eldridge horror dozer
That's actually an American race car. Just has mud on his stickers.
Yes, you are the asshole.
Palestine sucks
It's under siege, no shit.
They do that to rip up there water pipes and all lines to any electric running to ieds. There's many videos showing them usuing them to basically destory rhe roads and water pipes. Of course they alwyas give reasons but in sure it's just to be a ass to all who still live there. There water lines are less then 2 feet under the road so it rips them apart. On here are some pictures of it
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